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(Quartz)   NASA is funding the development of 3D printing food for deep space missions   (qz.com) divider line 74
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2013-05-21 09:15:10 AM
It invariably produces a concoction (which most people found unpleasant) that is "almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea".
 
2013-05-21 09:15:57 AM
We're still printing matter with matter.

None of this matters until we're printing matter with energy.
 
2013-05-21 09:16:54 AM

turbocucumber: It invariably produces a concoction (which most people found unpleasant) that is "almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea".


So...I'm guessing Earl Grey, hot is out of the question.
 
2013-05-21 09:16:57 AM
Tea, Earl Grey, hot!
 
2013-05-21 09:17:21 AM
125,000? gee, yeah, reach for the stars guys.
 
2013-05-21 09:17:31 AM
Tea, Earl Grey, Hot.
 
2013-05-21 09:17:43 AM
cenblog.org

Approves
 
2013-05-21 09:19:00 AM

Macinfarker: Approves


Dag gone nabbit farfugnoogen!!!! 5 seconds to phone type and I lose by 4 posts :-&
 
2013-05-21 09:19:32 AM
Looks unappetizing, but look at most of the junk food we eat. Just make sure there are canisters for "cheez" flavored powder, and people will eat it.
 
2013-05-21 09:19:51 AM

turbocucumber: It invariably produces a concoction (which most people found unpleasant) that is "almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea".


Sounds delightful.
 
2013-05-21 09:20:41 AM
Quantum Apostrophe's head asplode.
 
2013-05-21 09:20:41 AM
So, if it looks like food... Then plastic is okay to eat?
 
2013-05-21 09:21:01 AM
Word salad, I'm guessing.
 
2013-05-21 09:21:33 AM
What is the benefit of this, since we'll still need to bring the raw materials and it won't reduce weight?

Whatever food gets printed is going to be non-perishable type stuff anyway.
 
2013-05-21 09:21:34 AM
www.11points.com
 
2013-05-21 09:21:34 AM
Interesting. Won't they need gravity for the existing 3D printing technology?
 
2013-05-21 09:21:43 AM
That's one of the best-targeted trolls I've ever seen, subby, even down to using QuArtz as the article source. Bravo.
 
2013-05-21 09:21:58 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: We're still printing matter with matter.

None of this matters until we're printing matter with energy.


Can I buy some pot from you?
 
2013-05-21 09:22:54 AM
Pretty cool.

I doubt it'll ever spit out a decent steak, but processed foods should be doable.
 
2013-05-21 09:22:57 AM
Old news.  McDonald's has been using these for years.
 
2013-05-21 09:23:58 AM
We already know that eating meat is environmentally unsustainable, so why not get all our protein from insects?

Does the idiot author somehow think that 1) insects are not "meat", and that 2) farming them in quantities sufficient to feed the human population will not involve the same environmental issues as farming vertebrates?
 
2013-05-21 09:25:21 AM
You know, I think that is like an admirable goal and everything but really we could end world hunger overnight if we just stopped throwing away almost farking half the food we produce

So put the folk down, stop farking eating you fatties, and stop encouraging places like Golden Corral.
 
2013-05-21 09:27:31 AM
Yeah, I  can see this winning astronauts over. Stuck in a tin can for months, hurtling through space, homesick and what do you have to eat? Printed food made from bugs! That's good for morale. Especially when you see video communications from back home of the scientists at their stations, talking to you while they are chowing down on pizza from that place you love down the street.

I think the biggest obstacle for long manned space flight won't be food, oxygen or water. It will be making sure the astronauts don't go insane from being in what is basically solitary. Step one will be making the shuttles as home like as possible. And best way to do that is with the food. It's called "comfort food" for a reason. A bowl of mac'n'cheese just like mom used to make might settle an astronaut in ways no anxiety pill can.
 
2013-05-21 09:28:32 AM
Hello, Houston? The printer display says PC LOAD LETTER and only Moon Pies come out, what do we do?
 
2013-05-21 09:29:27 AM
I hope this works out. I've always wanted a Jetson's kitchen.
 
2013-05-21 09:29:34 AM
Feeding the crew could be done in a manner conceptually similar to the proven method of fueling the spacecraft:  staging.  Just as the spacecraft begins with multiple stages and returns with just a capsule, cannibalism would reduce the crew to a minimum compliment over the course of the mission.
 
2013-05-21 09:33:35 AM
The audacious plan to end hunger with 3-D printed food

So I see a system that will help with space travel if it works (they haven't tried building it yet). But then they talk about feeding more people than we can today and it becomes entirely science fiction - you don't get more efficient output by increasing the amount of energy input. And they don't seem to understand that's a problem they'll never get around since they're using a gadget instead of just grabbing some things and cooking them like a normal person.
 
2013-05-21 09:33:50 AM
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Dammit, Karen! Did you buy cheap knock-off toner again?
 
2013-05-21 09:37:43 AM

Stone Meadow: 2) farming them in quantities sufficient to feed the human population will not involve the same environmental issues as farming vertebrates?


Actually yes bugs are more efficient at the feed input -> meat output game. ...so we'll take longer to get the same environmental issues.
 
2013-05-21 09:41:50 AM
I posted this to my Facebook with the tea earl grey hot in funnier context.
 
2013-05-21 09:42:50 AM
Mmmmmm

that looks ....... soylent
 
2013-05-21 09:43:36 AM

Jacob_Roberson: Actually yes bugs are more efficient at the feed input -> meat output game. ...so we'll take longer to get the same environmental issues.


They are also vastly more susceptible to disruptions due to disease and blights

You can cull herds down pretty easily, but on cricket farms for instance you can see an entire crop wasted in an afternoon.
 
2013-05-21 09:46:28 AM
th03.deviantart.net
 
2013-05-21 09:52:14 AM
There's another company in Missouri that's received a grant from the Thiel Foundation to work on 3-D bio-printed "In vitro" meat.

Thiel has donated a TON of money to both Methuselah Foundation and SENS, so he must think that 3-D printed food is a key part of health and anti-aging research.

That should make the nutcase's head explode.
 
2013-05-21 10:14:45 AM

Jacob_Roberson: Quantum Apostrophe's head asplode.


Careful.  I got a timeout for making a similar comment about QA and his aversion to utopian 3-D printing, for "calling out another Farker".

It was not malicious, either - pretty much the same tone as your post.
 
2013-05-21 10:18:43 AM
Wait, the engineer's actual name is Contractor?
 
2013-05-21 10:19:09 AM

Nem Wan: Feeding the crew could be done in a manner conceptually similar to the proven method of fueling the spacecraft:  staging.  Just as the spacecraft begins with multiple stages and returns with just a capsule, cannibalism would reduce the crew to a minimum compliment over the course of the mission.


Modest. I like it.
 
2013-05-21 10:20:46 AM
Classic Trek food sorta.
 
2013-05-21 10:22:40 AM

Jacob_Roberson: So I see a system that will help with space travel if it works (they haven't tried building it yet). But then they talk about feeding more people than we can today and it becomes entirely science fiction - you don't get more efficient output by increasing the amount of energy input. And they don't seem to understand that's a problem they'll never get around since they're using a gadget instead of just grabbing some things and cooking them like a normal person.


We might very well reach a point where the "gadget", powered by a field full of cheap photovoltaics, produces more than the same field covered with grass and cows. Heck, given the relatively low efficiency of photosynthesis, it might outproduce a field full of human-edible grains or fruits.

Of course, efficiency isn't everything.
 
2013-05-21 10:24:14 AM
Great. Now they're going to make food guns and destroy the ISS
 
2013-05-21 10:25:21 AM
"So we eventually have to change our perception of what we see as food."

:/
 
2013-05-21 10:26:19 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: we could end world hunger overnight if we just stopped throwing away almost farking half the food we produce


Not throwing things in the trash doesn't mean transportation problems go away.
 
2013-05-21 10:32:08 AM

Noticeably F.A.T.: Not throwing things in the trash doesn't mean transportation problems go away.


Reducing demand eliminates the need to even transport it to location A, freeing up resources to send it to B

Our problems are largely self induced
 
2013-05-21 10:34:57 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: You know, I think that is like an admirable goal and everything but really we could end world hunger overnight if we just stopped throwing away almost farking half the food we produce

So put the folk down, stop farking eating you fatties, and stop encouraging places like Golden Corral.


The article itself says part of the reason is food is cheap and plentiful. If it's already plentiful, it's unlikely to be a production side issue.
 
2013-05-21 10:36:32 AM
 
2013-05-21 10:36:51 AM
I hope I'm dead before we all have to change our perspective about what we think of as food. I don't want to eat 3D-printed insect protein squares.
 
2013-05-21 10:38:49 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: They are also vastly more susceptible to disruptions due to disease and blights

You can cull herds down pretty easily, but on cricket farms for instance you can see an entire crop wasted in an afternoon.


Citation needed. I think they're less susceptible than any mammal.
 
2013-05-21 10:39:57 AM

jfarkinB: low efficiency of photosynthesis


Yeah good point.

Of course, efficiency isn't everything.

This too.
 
2013-05-21 10:50:19 AM

Aarontology: Great. Now they're going to make food guns and destroy the ISS


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2013-05-21 10:53:19 AM

Jacob_Roberson: The audacious plan to end hunger with 3-D printed food

So I see a system that will help with space travel if it works (they haven't tried building it yet). But then they talk about feeding more people than we can today and it becomes entirely science fiction - you don't get more efficient output by increasing the amount of energy input. And they don't seem to understand that's a problem they'll never get around since they're using a gadget instead of just grabbing some things and cooking them like a normal person.


so you dont use a gadget like a stove to cook your food and use energy in the process? maybe even messing with it a little, being all in-efficent and human?

bugs take less energy to farm (in theory)  and the act of processing them would likely take less energy then working with full livestock as well. are you trying to say that running a few motors to print paste is going to take more energy then an electric stove?
 
2013-05-21 11:17:43 AM
Is  Quantum Apostrophe dead?  Didn't he get the Bat Signal that there was a new 3D printer thread?
 
2013-05-21 11:20:38 AM

bobtheallmighty: are you trying to say that running a few motors to print paste is going to take more energy then an electric stove?


Yeah. Firstly the front-end costs are much higher: A 3D printer will have electronics parts for the computer inside it, as well as some printer parts I don't know much about, all of which have high design/develop/test/manufacture/maintain costs. An electric stove is just a big resistor coil with some other parts to make it easier to use and better looking. NG/kerosene/propane/butane/whatever fuel stoves are just nozzles and sparkers (with some other parts to make it easier to use and better looking).

Secondly after you've powered the 3D printer you still have to cook the slop you've printed out, so that step costs as much as manufacturing and then running the whole stove/oven you have now.
 
2013-05-21 11:22:45 AM

Jacob_Roberson: Citation needed. I think they're less susceptible than any mammal.


Too lazy to dig it up, article on NPR yesterday
 
2013-05-21 11:25:09 AM
CHON?
 
2013-05-21 11:35:42 AM
 
2013-05-21 12:02:56 PM
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Just like Mother used to make...
 
2013-05-21 12:05:58 PM

Jacob_Roberson: bobtheallmighty: are you trying to say that running a few motors to print paste is going to take more energy then an electric stove?

Yeah. Firstly the front-end costs are much higher: A 3D printer will have electronics parts for the computer inside it, as well as some printer parts I don't know much about, all of which have high design/develop/test/manufacture/maintain costs. An electric stove is just a big resistor coil with some other parts to make it easier to use and better looking. NG/kerosene/propane/butane/whatever fuel stoves are just nozzles and sparkers (with some other parts to make it easier to use and better looking).

Secondly after you've powered the 3D printer you still have to cook the slop you've printed out, so that step costs as much as manufacturing and then running the whole stove/oven you have now.


the printer will likey take less metal then a full stove, TFA also says its will cook things as it prints them (atleast the pizza it talks about) some of the food that comes out is probibly even ready to eat.

the computer parts dont need to be top of the line, its a printer not a super computer, you could likely run it off some pretty underpowered harware. probibly even a cell phone...
 
2013-05-21 12:28:23 PM
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2013-05-21 12:34:36 PM
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2013-05-21 01:16:55 PM
Get in there and print me a sammich, biatch
 
2013-05-21 01:28:18 PM
I predict that 3D printed food will be as revolutionary as 3D printed guns. Because why make things unless you're doing it from powder and glue?

/It's farking powder and glue, people. It doesn't actually make useful things, it just glues powder together in the SHAPE of things.
 
2013-05-21 01:32:57 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: You know, I think that is like an admirable goal and everything but really we could end world hunger overnight if we just stopped throwing away almost farking half the food we produce


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2013-05-21 01:34:47 PM

Jacob_Roberson: IdBeCrazyIf: article on NPR yesterday

This?: When we were doing this book, we visited a cricket ranch in Southern California, in Visalia, and the owner told us that he had a beetle infestation and they sprayed some pesticides around the foundation of his huge cricket ranch. And the next morning all the crickets inside were dead. So things really, really happen quickly on a small or large scale.


Yeah that's the one.
 
2013-05-21 01:50:03 PM

mbillips: I predict that 3D printed food will be as revolutionary as 3D printed guns. Because why make things unless you're doing it from powder and glue?

/It's farking powder and glue, people. It doesn't actually make useful things, it just glues powder together in the SHAPE of things.


You know how I know you haven't been paying attention to recent developments in 3-D printing technology?
 
2013-05-21 01:57:30 PM
I 3D print food every day. It's called cooking.

 

BMFPitt: What is the benefit of this, since we'll still need to bring the raw materials and it won't reduce weight?

Whatever food gets printed is going to be non-perishable type stuff anyway.



This.
 
2013-05-21 02:33:10 PM

KarmicDisaster: Hello, Houston? The printer display says PC LOAD LETTER and only Moon Pies come out, what do we do?


PC LOAD BUTTER! WTF does that mean?!
 
2013-05-21 03:58:13 PM
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2013-05-21 04:14:59 PM

anfrind: mbillips: I predict that 3D printed food will be as revolutionary as 3D printed guns. Because why make things unless you're doing it from powder and glue?

/It's farking powder and glue, people. It doesn't actually make useful things, it just glues powder together in the SHAPE of things.

You know how I know you haven't been paying attention to recent developments in 3-D printing technology?


You know how I know you don't know what "additive manufacturing" actually entails? It builds up 3D constructions, layer by layer, out of a powdered aggregate, held together by an adhesive. That aggregate might be sintered metal, but it's still just powder. No. Tensile. Strength. Even if you had a 3D printer that WELDED metal powder together (which you don't), it's still going to be weaker than a liquid-metal casting, and WAY weaker than something forged from steel or built up from a woven fabric.such as carbon fiber.
 
2013-05-21 07:05:52 PM
If the foodomat is loaded with the right atoms, it'll whizzbang out a ribeye faster than you can say johnnycakes, fresh as the day it was printed and cooked perfectly, and that's just swell for astro-men working far out in our solar system. Jolly good for you, spacemen of the FUTURE!

Just like all our space endeavors, we trade extremely high energy inputs here on Earth to create things for space. This is refining foodstuffs to simple building blocks, not unlike what we do with rocket fuel, with the added benefit of greater shelf life and variety for the consumer. What may seem appalling to us is much more appealing to someone facing starvation...

This guy's ultimate plan doesn't really pan out, except in terms of recycling; if we assume we continue to waste a large percentage of our food, then processing wasted food to extract the powders adds efficiency to the consumption curve, albeit with the addition of energy. Maybe this will turn out to be efficient, maybe not... but it is a novel solution to a real problem and possibly part of a future solution to long term food availability issues. If it can be efficient and useful, then we'll figure out how to make that happen.
 
2013-05-21 10:18:51 PM
Why not just re-hydrate and eat the powders? Why do you have to "print" them into something like a pizza? Seems like a waste of energy and space to go through all that trouble when the purpose of eating is for nutrition.
 
2013-05-21 10:30:55 PM
Robinette Broadhead approves.

/better not be obscure
 
2013-05-22 12:00:14 AM

mbillips: You know how I know you don't know what "additive manufacturing" actually entails? It builds up 3D constructions, layer by layer, out of a powdered aggregate, held together by an adhesive.


Except that isn't true - in the majority of 3d printers there is no separate adhesive; the only material used is a spool of plastic which is heated until liquid. The most popular alternatives use light or UV cured resin. Describing it as "powder and glue"demonstrates an astonishing degree of ignorance.

You're acting like such a know-it-all dick in this thread and you don't actually seem to know anything about the topic. That isn't actually a rarity for fark, but it's always amusing to see.
 
2013-05-22 02:03:27 PM

Gunther: mbillips: You know how I know you don't know what "additive manufacturing" actually entails? It builds up 3D constructions, layer by layer, out of a powdered aggregate, held together by an adhesive.

Except that isn't true - in the majority of 3d printers there is no separate adhesive; the only material used is a spool of plastic which is heated until liquid. The most popular alternatives use light or UV cured resin. Describing it as "powder and glue"demonstrates an astonishing degree of ignorance.

You're acting like such a know-it-all dick in this thread and you don't actually seem to know anything about the topic. That isn't actually a rarity for fark, but it's always amusing to see.


He doesn't need facts when he's got SMUG.
 
2013-05-22 03:15:05 PM

Bisu: Why not just re-hydrate and eat the powders? Why do you have to "print" them into something like a pizza? Seems like a waste of energy and space to go through all that trouble when the purpose of eating is for nutrition.


Because there is more to eating than nutrition.

One thing NASA has learned is that morale in spaceflight is strongly affected by food quality.

It's one thing to eat gloop that tastes like cardboard on rare occasion because you must, but having that be your sole food source for days, weeks, or months or years?

Yeah, you try living on dehydrated nutrient powder for months or years crammed into a small capsule, seeing the same people day after day, ect.
 
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