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(Mirror.co.uk)   Confused former UK Cabinet minister thinks gay marriage will force him to marry his son   (mirror.co.uk) divider line 115
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2013-05-21 11:18:46 AM  

CrazyCracka420: Cythraul: CapeFearCadaver: jayhawk88: Yeah, like there's never been a gay or lesbian king or queen on the throne of England before *eyeroll*

They hid that sh*t properly though... by "marrying" someone of the opposite sex... and having fun with their entourage. See? You can do what you want, as long as you "marry" the proper person as God prescribes.

[static.diary.ru image 704x368]

This man likes the cut of your jib.

/also likes the cut of your jib


SOB...lmftfm

images2.wikia.nocookie.net

/so that's what the Preview button is for...
 
2013-05-21 11:19:53 AM  

Gergesa: Does anyone recall the Stephen Colbert mocking of Jeremy Irons about this?  It was hysterical.  Funniest take I have ever seen done by him.


Aw, come on. Not fair to tease with no linky.
 
2013-05-21 11:25:45 AM  

namegoeshere: Gergesa: Does anyone recall the Stephen Colbert mocking of Jeremy Irons about this?  It was hysterical.  Funniest take I have ever seen done by him.

Aw, come on. Not fair to tease with no linky.


Oh alright here

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/425101/april- 04 -2013/koko---jeremy-irons-on-gay-marriage
 
2013-05-21 11:30:57 AM  
Don't laugh. That's what it could lead to

/slippery slope
 
2013-05-21 11:34:27 AM  

WorldCitizen: So has he already married his daughters?


Well, that is hunky dory according to the bible...

(v 30-37 has the good stuff)
 
2013-05-21 11:34:31 AM  

Gergesa: namegoeshere: Gergesa: Does anyone recall the Stephen Colbert mocking of Jeremy Irons about this?  It was hysterical.  Funniest take I have ever seen done by him.

Aw, come on. Not fair to tease with no linky.

Oh alright here

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/425101/april- 04 -2013/koko---jeremy-irons-on-gay-marriage


Ahh that was great, thanks.
 
2013-05-21 11:34:51 AM  
He won't HAVE to marry his son, but why shouldn't he be allowed to marry his son? Just because you think it's icky? Men are not allowed to marry their daughter or sister because their kids would have flippers. But there's not much danger of that in a homosexual marriage. So why shouldn't they be able to marry? What about old spinster sisters living together? If they could marry, it would help them out financially, with inheritance, with end-of-life decisions, etc.
 
2013-05-21 11:37:21 AM  
When we have a queen who is a lesbian and she marries another lady and then decides she would like to have a child and someone donates sperm and she gives birth to a child, is that child heir to the throne?

Yes.  Agin, current British law is completely unambiguous on this point
 
2013-05-21 11:38:39 AM  
Numpty?
 
2013-05-21 11:39:10 AM  

Gergesa: Does anyone recall the Stephen Colbert mocking of Jeremy Irons about this?  It was hysterical.  Funniest take I have ever seen done by him.


It is really depressing when a good actor comes out as a bigot - you would like to think inherently that the empathy needed to get in lots of other peoples shoes and bring their characters alive with enough integrity to make them believable would make it hard to be mindlessly and reflexively hateful and thoughtless on such topics, but I guess not.
 
2013-05-21 11:41:32 AM  
If gay marriage means a father being able to marry his own son, then he must've already married his daughter.....and if he denies he's married his daughter, then he's a liar, as well as a perv.

\the Fark universe thanks you for not thinking your "clever" argument all the way through.
 
2013-05-21 11:46:20 AM  

WoodenNickel: He won't HAVE to marry his son, but why shouldn't he be allowed to marry his son? Just because you think it's icky? Men are not allowed to marry their daughter or sister because their kids would have flippers. But there's not much danger of that in a homosexual marriage. So why shouldn't they be able to marry? What about old spinster sisters living together? If they could marry, it would help them out financially, with inheritance, with end-of-life decisions, etc.


The flipper thing isn't a justification either. Not unless we're gonna ban men's jeans and steralize people over 35.
 
2013-05-21 11:46:38 AM  

CapeFearCadaver: Imma marry a turtle and live happily ever after.


CapeFearCadaver: Imma marry a turtle and live happily ever after.


I wanna marry a lighthouse keeper and keep him company.
 
2013-05-21 11:53:02 AM  
If stupid were gravity, this guy would be a Black Hole.
 
2013-05-21 11:53:26 AM  
What a Lesbian Queen (oh the horror) may look like

img.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-21 11:54:51 AM  
It's hilarious to watch the Conservatives implode over this. Their party appears to be comprised of a majority who are moderate,  reasonable people who favour small government and fiscal responsibility and a minority who are frothing at the mouth homophobes, bigots, euroskeptics and closet racists. The so called "swivel eyed loons" of the party.

So their electoral base has fractured and they're practically handing Labour the next government on a silver plate and wrapped in a bow.

The best thing the conservatives could do at this point is kick the loons out. Let them go to UKIP (basically a pasteurized version of the BNP - a racist and nationalistic), lick their wounds and come back a reformed and saner party.
 
2013-05-21 11:56:09 AM  

Cythraul: I wonder if his son knows of his father's secret desire to marry him?


That's what I was wondering.

I would love to see that interview.
 
2013-05-21 11:58:01 AM  
"It would lift my worries about inheritance tax because maybe I'd be allowed to marry my son. Why not?"

Incest law /= marriage law.  Why do you insist on conflating them?

"When we have a queen who is a lesbian and she marries another lady and then decides she would like to have a child and someone donates sperm and she gives birth to a child, is that child heir to the throne?"

Are you seriously talking about limiting a population's human rights based off of an unrealistic fear about the line of succession of a powerless figurehead that is maintained only for tradition's sake?

"Lord Tebbit warned that disunity over gay marriage and Europe would push voters in the direction of UKIP, who are just two points behind the Conservatives in a recent opinion poll."

Argument from consequence isn't your friend.

"It's like one of my colleagues said: we've got to make these same sex marriages available to all."

Yes.  Good job.
 
2013-05-21 11:59:09 AM  
Apparently it's not just in the US where rich old white men are farking things up for everyone.
 
2013-05-21 12:04:15 PM  

drxym: It's hilarious to watch the Conservatives implode over this. Their party appears to be comprised of a majority who are moderate, reasonable people who favour small government and fiscal responsibility and a minority who are frothing at the mouth homophobes, bigots, euroskeptics and closet racists. The so called "swivel eyed loons" of the party.


So the former being like US Democrats and the latter being like US Republicans...
 
2013-05-21 12:06:05 PM  
In a blistering, foul-mouthed rant, the former Cabinet minister even warned that same-sex marriage legislation could see a lesbian queen on the throne

How does he know the current Queen isn't gay? Can you imagine how awesome that would be if she came out?
 
2013-05-21 12:07:03 PM  

doubled99: Don't laugh. That's what it could lead to

/slippery slope


Even if it does, meh. Alberta's run by conservatives and has had the Adult Interdependent Relationships Act for over a decade and we haven't been smited (smote? smitten?) for it yet.
 
2013-05-21 12:10:28 PM  

Aussie_As: ImpendingCynic: The only way it's possible for this to end up with a father marrying his own son is if it's currently possible for a father to marry his own daughter. Is that possible? Then you have bigger problems.

I never understood the movement to ban gay marriage "because it will lead to polygamy, incest, bestiality" blah blah. Write the law limiting marriage to two humans of consensual age, and optionally no blood relation within n-degrees.

Done. Was that so difficult?

Came here to say this but probably less coherently. Well done.

The comments prompt the inevitable question though. The actual argument raised was clearly rubbish, as ImpendingCynic has well demonstrated. This guy is both well educated and very experienced in politics. He's either senile or he's trying too hard to come up with something that sounds credible because his real fears about the legislation are undescribable.

My personal theory relates to the real winners and losers from marriage reform allowing gay marriage. The real winners are the relatively small number of gay folks wanting to marry. I have no reason to deny them this; I am a happily married heterosexual bloke in a marriage which, while raising a family of my wife's kids and grandkids, will never produce my own children and I'm cool with that. So the thought that marriage is all about procreating one's own genetics is meaningless in the context of my marriage. And yet no one objects to our situation. So I don't object to Adam and Steve celebrating their eternal love. And in response to the crap that the gays want to ruin marriage, marriage has long been ruined by heterosexual couples divorcing rather than take their vows seriously, so if your issue is that traditional marriage is under threat you've obviously never  heard of The Kardashians. The fact is no one loses if gays marry.

No, that's not true.

The big losers are the probably millions of gay folks who've done "the right thing" and married heterosexually anyway because ...


You Sir, plus many internets to you.

Much better than I could ever hope to express and poses an interesting argument. Its the perfect post.
 
2013-05-21 12:12:06 PM  
If you want to use the slippery slope argument to address polgamy, fine.  Arguing against any other point on the curve except the the one adjacent to where you are now is just plain derp.
Derpity derp at that.
 
2013-05-21 12:15:46 PM  

Gergesa: namegoeshere: Gergesa: Does anyone recall the Stephen Colbert mocking of Jeremy Irons about this?  It was hysterical.  Funniest take I have ever seen done by him.

Aw, come on. Not fair to tease with no linky.

Oh alright here

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/425101/april- 04 -2013/koko---jeremy-irons-on-gay-marriage


Thanks : )
 
2013-05-21 12:19:31 PM  
The nonsense about marrying his son and people avoiding inheritance taxes is just more of the usual desperation from a bigot.  And, if he's just trying to use hyperbole to make the point that changes to the law need to be carefully considered, then it's almost forgivable.

But the stuff about a "lesbian queen" just baffles me.  Of everything in the world that could possibly happen, THIS is one of the major scenarios that he's most concerned with?  Does he sit up at night writing royal family erotic fan fiction or something?

Besides being the rantings of an angry old man who wants to marry his son, the potential of a lesbian queen is not even a current issue.  Unless there's some sort of hilarious "King Ralph"-style accident, the first four people in line to the throne are heterosexual males, three of whom are already married and have children (or a baby on the way).  Of the next several people in line, there are a bunch of children, a few more married men, and a couple of old ladies.  The only real potential lesbian queens within the next couple of decades are Beatrice or Eugenie.  So, if Tebbit has done any actual thinking about this scenario of his, he's basically saying that he thinks Beatrice and/or Eugenie are gay.  They're both cute, so I can forgive him for thinking about this, but he's still a dirty old man.
 
2013-05-21 12:21:01 PM  

WorldCitizen: drxym: It's hilarious to watch the Conservatives implode over this. Their party appears to be comprised of a majority who are moderate, reasonable people who favour small government and fiscal responsibility and a minority who are frothing at the mouth homophobes, bigots, euroskeptics and closet racists. The so called "swivel eyed loons" of the party.

So the former being like US Democrats and the latter being like US Republicans...


My poor dad, a lifetime proud fiscal conservative/social mind-your-own-fecking-business officially changed his voter registration from Republican (as it's been since his 18th birthday) to Independent due to the Whackadoodles who have ruined his party.
 
2013-05-21 12:24:24 PM  

doyner: That's a mind-blowingly fallacious fellatious argument.


FTFY
 
2013-05-21 12:30:52 PM  

CrazyCracka420: [media.twirlit.com image 580x364]


I always imagined that the guy with the microphone sounded like a grown-up version of Froggy from the "Little Rascals."
 
2013-05-21 12:30:59 PM  

Perducci: But the stuff about a "lesbian queen" just baffles me. Of everything in the world that could possibly happen, THIS is one of the major scenarios that he's most concerned with? Does he sit up at night writing royal family erotic fan fiction or something?


Based on what I saw around the royal wedding, I assumed that the only two things British people do when they're alone is write royal family erotic fan fiction and masturbate to royal family erotic fan fiction.
 
2013-05-21 12:33:10 PM  

thurstonxhowell: Perducci: But the stuff about a "lesbian queen" just baffles me. Of everything in the world that could possibly happen, THIS is one of the major scenarios that he's most concerned with? Does he sit up at night writing royal family erotic fan fiction or something?

Based on what I saw around the royal wedding, I assumed that the only two things British people do when they're alone is write royal family erotic fan fiction and masturbate to royal family erotic fan fiction.



And with all the inbreeding that has gone in during the past few centuries within European aristocracy, I'm not surprised that Lors What's-his-name is talking about marrying a family member.
 
2013-05-21 12:34:22 PM  

CrazyCracka420: CrazyCracka420: Cythraul: CapeFearCadaver: jayhawk88: Yeah, like there's never been a gay or lesbian king or queen on the throne of England before *eyeroll*

They hid that sh*t properly though... by "marrying" someone of the opposite sex... and having fun with their entourage. See? You can do what you want, as long as you "marry" the proper person as God prescribes.

[static.diary.ru image 704x368]

This man likes the cut of your jib.

/also likes the cut of your jib

SOB...lmftfm

[images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 379x461]

/so that's what the Preview button is for...


I took it to mean you had something you wanted to share with us given your personal endorsement.

Or, put another way...

arch.413chan.net
 
2013-05-21 12:35:09 PM  
which is totally cool and all...  I have a friend who is gay.
 
2013-05-21 12:38:39 PM  
Also...you guys are harshing on this dude, but in fairness, THIS is his son.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-21 12:44:04 PM  

phalamir: the former Cabinet minister even warned that same-sex marriage legislation could see a lesbian queen on the throne

As an American, I hate to have to a Brit, but: the Act of Settlement contains a relentlessly deterministic mechanism for deciding who exactly is the next person in line to sit on the throne - if the correct conditions are met, a 35 stone, tattooed, bull-dyke she-beast with enough piercings to make metal detectors go off for miles around, dragging a virtual BDSM harem along behind her in chains would be the next monarch under current British law, and no one could do a goddamn thing about it.


Am I the only one who thinks that would be farking epic?
 
2013-05-21 12:48:13 PM  

czetie: I find it fascinating that the opponents of equality have no coherent arguments against marriage equality itself.



Sure they do!  Why just the other day my co-worker explained to me how gay marriage is single handedly ruining the US economy!
 
2013-05-21 12:52:58 PM  
He told the Big Issue: "It would lift my worries about inheritance tax because maybe I'd be allowed to marry my son daughter. Why not?
"Why shouldn't a mother marry her daughter son? Why shouldn't two elderly sisters siblings living together marry each other?"


Clearly, we need to ban heterosexual marriage.
 
2013-05-21 01:04:14 PM  

wambu: "When we have a queen who is a lesbian and she marries another lady and then decides she would like to have a child and someone donates sperm and she gives birth to a child, is that child heir to the throne?"

Finally, someone thinks of the children.


Sounds to me that it's time to do away with monarchy entirely to remove even the slightest chance of any queens sitting on the throne.
 
2013-05-21 01:12:15 PM  

WorldCitizen: So has he already married his daughters?


He's not in to the opposite sex (NTTAWWT).
 
2013-05-21 01:39:08 PM  

seventypercent: Numpty?


Scottish word for idiot.
 
2013-05-21 01:47:54 PM  
If they currently have a problem with mothers marrying their sons and father marrying their daughters to avoid inheritance tax then he has a point.

So, is this currently a problem?

Otherwise he is just another hateful idiot.
 
2013-05-21 02:03:00 PM  

CrazyCracka420: Cythraul: CapeFearCadaver: jayhawk88: Yeah, like there's never been a gay or lesbian king or queen on the throne of England before *eyeroll*

They hid that sh*t properly though... by "marrying" someone of the opposite sex... and having fun with their entourage. See? You can do what you want, as long as you "marry" the proper person as God prescribes.

[static.diary.ru image 704x368]

This man likes the cut of your jib.

/also likes the cut of your jib


never mind the damn jib its that gown that's divine
 
2013-05-21 02:13:20 PM  
If gay marriage is legalized, someone could marry Jesus against his will! Do we want the son of God to play catcher? Hells no!
 
2013-05-21 02:16:53 PM  
There already was a gay Queen.

/miss you Freddie
 
2013-05-21 02:18:55 PM  
Is his son hot?
 
2013-05-21 02:23:02 PM  

Farking Canuck: If they currently have a problem with mothers marrying their sons and father marrying their daughters to avoid inheritance tax then he has a point.

So, is this currently a problem?

Otherwise he is just another hateful idiot.


It wouldn't even be an issue if it was an issue, because they could just pass a law to cover that loophole.
 
2013-05-21 02:33:48 PM  

phalamir: When we have a queen who is a lesbian and she marries another lady and then decides she would like to have a child and someone donates sperm and she gives birth to a child, is that child heir to the throne?

Yes.  Agin, current British law is completely unambiguous on this point


Which will be lucky for Prince Harry if William and his family snuff it .
 
2013-05-21 02:34:49 PM  

offmymeds: Sounds like gramps has been refusing to take his medication, again.


Meh. We just use tasers for that now.
 
2013-05-21 02:37:57 PM  

drxym: It's hilarious to watch the Conservatives Republicans implode over this. Their party appears to be comprised of a majority who are moderate,  reasonable people who favour small government and fiscal responsibility and a minority who are frothing at the mouth homophobes, bigots, euroskeptics xenophobes and closet racists. The so called "swivel eyed loons" of the party.

So their electoral base has fractured and they're practically handing Labour the Democrats the next government on a silver plate and wrapped in a bow.

The best thing the conservatives Republicans could do at this point is kick the loons out. Let them go to UKIP the Tea Party (basically a pasteurized version of the

BNP farking Illinois Nazis - a racist and nationalistic), lick their wounds and come back a reformed and saner party.

Ain't gonna happen here, ain't gonna happen in the US either. As with Labour in the 80's, most of the Conservative party have decided that they'll only win by appealing to the extremes (ie the people who'll never vote for the other side) and ignoring the middle (who actually decide elections).
 
2013-05-21 02:45:14 PM  

orbister: drxym: It's hilarious to watch the Conservatives Republicans implode over this. Their party appears to be comprised of a majority who are moderate,  reasonable people who favour small government and fiscal responsibility and a minority who are frothing at the mouth homophobes, bigots, euroskeptics xenophobes and closet racists. The so called "swivel eyed loons" of the party.

So their electoral base has fractured and they're practically handing Labour the Democrats the next government on a silver plate and wrapped in a bow.

The best thing the conservatives  Republicans could do at this point is kick the loons out. Let them go to UKIPthe Tea Party (basically a pasteurized version of theBNP farking Illinois Nazis - a racist and nationalistic), lick their wounds and come back a reformed and saner party.

Ain't gonna happen here, ain't gonna happen in the US either. As with Labour in the 80's, most of the Conservative party have decided that they'll only win by appealing to the extremes (ie the people who'll never vote for the other side) and ignoring the middle (who actually decide elections).


Labour did kick the extremists out in the 80s. There comes a point where the sane(ish) members of a party can no longer deny the damage caused by the lunatic fringe.
 
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