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(ESPN)   Blackhawks dispute call that disallowed game tying goal. Curiously quiet about goal scored after obvious penalty that went uncalled and left a Red Wings player crumpled on the ice   (espn.go.com) divider line 99
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2013-05-21 07:16:20 AM
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I wish I had the skills to put a Blackhawks jersey on him.
 
2013-05-21 07:41:38 AM
like this?...
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2013-05-21 08:32:39 AM
Careful Blackhawks...
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This could be you!
 
2013-05-21 08:50:28 AM
You can screen the goalie... but you can't occupy more than half the crease to screen him.

Who was that in the crease? Oh yeah.. Quenneville's favorite boy, Shaw, who also took a game misconduct in the final minute of the game for spearing, and has become very familiar with the penalty box at the Joe... but Carcillo gets taken out because he had one penalty that led to a Red Wings goal in Game 2.

Makes perfect sense, on Bizarro World.
 
2013-05-21 08:54:53 AM
I didn't see what happened to Franzen (kids were driving me nuts last night).  Was it a cheap shot?
 
2013-05-21 09:00:23 AM

SubBass49: I didn't see what happened to Franzen (kids were driving me nuts last night).  Was it a cheap shot?


Nevermind...found video.

WTF?  Why was that not called?  Especially with how the league has been overly-cautious in calling hits from behind lately?!  Damn.
 
2013-05-21 09:01:45 AM

SubBass49: I didn't see what happened to Franzen (kids were driving me nuts last night).  Was it a cheap shot?


Yes, it was a cross check right in the numbers into the boards by  Niklas Hjalmarsson.
 
2013-05-21 09:03:11 AM
Boo farking Hoo.  If you don't stand in the crease, they can't call interference on you (well they can, but they won't unless you're a complete idiot about it).
 
2013-05-21 09:08:17 AM
Stupid move by the Blackhawks to dispute this, but that was a terribly officiated game all around.

Of course we will have the Detroit-Bags out in full force in this thread though. Blah blah blah 11 cups and what not.
 
2013-05-21 09:08:42 AM

SubBass49: I didn't see what happened to Franzen (kids were driving me nuts last night).  Was it a cheap shot?


It was a classic hit from behind,  2 min. boarding.... Hjalmarsson rode him down the boards too, nice helmet bounce off the dasher on the way down to the ice as well.  A few are calling for an Oscar nod to Fransen - mostly Blackhawk fans.
 
2013-05-21 09:08:56 AM
Pretty even-Steven calls there. Franzen should have drawn a penalty and that goal wouldn't have happened, and the goal that was waved off should have counted.  And while the x-check should have been called, Franzen is driving me nuts with his Fedorov-like lying-on-the-ice after a perceived penalty. Like Fedorov, he's a massive force when he's playing 100%, which is about 20% of the time.
 
2013-05-21 09:09:04 AM
Well, at least we know Tom Kowal and Brad Watson won't be refereeing the Conference and Stanley Cup Finals.
 
2013-05-21 09:14:41 AM
The funny thing is, before he retired, Tomas Holmstrom's butt, A FOOT OUTSIDE OF THE CREASE has caused Detroit goals to be disallowed.

So... no sympathy from Detroit fans, Chicago.
 
2013-05-21 09:20:44 AM

sno man: SubBass49: I didn't see what happened to Franzen (kids were driving me nuts last night).  Was it a cheap shot?

It was a classic hit from behind,  2 min. boarding.... Hjalmarsson rode him down the boards too, nice helmet bounce off the dasher on the way down to the ice as well.  A few are calling for an Oscar nod to Fransen - mostly Blackhawk fans.


Oh, you mean Franzen was so hurt he wasn't up skating a few minutes later?
 
2013-05-21 09:22:57 AM

LesserEvil: The funny thing is, before he retired, Tomas Holmstrom's butt, A FOOT OUTSIDE OF THE CREASE has caused Detroit goals to be disallowed.

So... no sympathy from Detroit fans, Chicago.


A nice little compilation of these, including ones where the goalie initiated contact outside the crease, no contact was ever made, and spots were Homer was shoved into the goalie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=415Rdmbg2Qc

My favorite happens at 4:19 -- no contact, Homer is outside the crease, and they still disallow a goal.
 
2013-05-21 09:23:49 AM
Watched the game with my friend (a Hawks fan) and he was positive that he was pushed into the crease. I told him to watch the replay again today because he already had both feet in the crease and the defense man was playing the other guy and really didn't make much if any contact.
 
2013-05-21 09:25:34 AM
As a Wings fan living in Chicago, I'm loving me some grade A butt-hurt today.
 
2013-05-21 09:28:37 AM

SlagginOff: Oh, you mean Franzen was so hurt he wasn't up skating a few minutes later?


You don't watch a lot of playoff hockey do you?
Lots of guys actually hurt would be back skating in a similar time frame.  Also embellishment is part of the game, over embellishment even has it's own penalty.
 
2013-05-21 09:29:25 AM

balki1867: As a Wings fan living in Chicago, I'm loving me some grade A butt-hurt today.

I am an insufferable loudmouth that annoys everyone I work and socialize with.
 
2013-05-21 09:29:52 AM

sno man: It was a classic hit from behind,  2 min. boarding.... Hjalmarsson rode him down the boards too, nice helmet bounce off the dasher on the way down to the ice as well.  A few are calling for an Oscar nod to Fransen - mostly Blackhawk fans.


First, I am a fan of the Lightning and have no dog in this hunt.  But it looks like while a penalty call should have been made, the embellishment of staying down did not have the effect Franzen wanted.  The officiating so far has been stupid in almost every series and the supplemental discipline being meted out has been even stupider.
 
2013-05-21 09:32:33 AM
Obviously not a fan of either team but that was a missed call on Franzen which would have meant the resulting goal was no good.  Call him a diver or actor all you want, I have called him and that entire team worse in the last 40 years, but that was a boarding call not made.

Also, there is no way the goal should ahve been allowed with Shaw impeeding the ability of Howard to move in the crease.  You can have a foot in the crease, hell, you can have your whole body in there, you just cannot be in a position to interfere with the goalie doing his job.  The funny thing about all the 'goalie interference' calls like this is they almost never result in an actual penalty.  I guess the ref's have decided that taking away the goal is penalty enough.

With that being said, the officiating this year in the playoffs has been worse than ever.  I don't care if they are good or bad but just like MLB umpires, just be consistent.  Watching games you have no idea from period to period what will be called anymore.  At least with umpires you know which ones are bad all the time.  The NHL officiating is like having 4 Joey Crawfords out there sometimes.  One of these days, officials are going to realize fans do not pay to see them or their antics.  Just call the game like the rule books says and be done with it.
 
2013-05-21 09:32:55 AM

sno man: SlagginOff: Oh, you mean Franzen was so hurt he wasn't up skating a few minutes later?

You don't watch a lot of playoff hockey do you?
Lots of guys actually hurt would be back skating in a similar time frame.  Also embellishment is part of the game, over embellishment even has it's own penalty.


Your earlier post insinuated that Franzen wasn't acting, but in this post you say that embellishment is part of the game. Make up your mind.

I'm not saying a the refs were right on that call, hell, they were wrong on several calls on both ends. I'm just asking for consistency from you.
 
2013-05-21 09:35:35 AM

SlagginOff: balki1867: As a Wings fan living in Chicago, I'm loving me some grade A butt-hurt today. I am an insufferable loudmouth that annoys everyone I work and socialize with.


In fairness, I have to somehow keep up with "Blackhawk Nation" wearing their Kane sweaters purchased circa May 2010.

Seriously, one of my good friends bought Hawks season tickets when he graduated college (~2004) and couldn't give the things away until about 2008 or so.
 
2013-05-21 09:35:45 AM
Franzen had been observed studying some Vancouver film before the game.
 
2013-05-21 09:39:31 AM

Bruce Campbell: First, I am a fan of the Lightning and have no dog in this hunt. But it looks like while a penalty call should have been made, the embellishment of staying down did not have the effect Franzen wanted. The officiating so far has been stupid in almost every series and the supplemental discipline being meted out has been even stupider.


I'm a Leaf fan myself, so similar boat fan wise...
I think the officiating should sort of be looked at big picture...
Do they screw up calls? Yea. Do they do it a lot? not really. Do the screw ups favour only one team? VERY RARELY. Do the screw ups decide a game? One in a long while yea.  On balance I think the officiating has been pretty fair most games.  Would I like to see fewer screw ups, yea... but these are the best refs on the planet kids, where are better coming from?
 
2013-05-21 09:44:00 AM

SlagginOff: Your earlier post insinuated that Franzen wasn't acting, but in this post you say that embellishment is part of the game. Make up your mind.

I'm not saying a the refs were right on that call, hell, they were wrong on several calls on both ends. I'm just asking for consistency from you.


I think I'm splitting the hair between embellishment and over embellishment.  One of my otherwise favourite young Leafs gets away with a lot of over embellishment, and draws a lot of penalty's, I wish he'd tone it down before he gets a reputation for doing it.
 
2013-05-21 09:44:34 AM

balki1867: SlagginOff: balki1867: As a Wings fan living in Chicago, I'm loving me some grade A butt-hurt today. I am an insufferable loudmouth that annoys everyone I work and socialize with.

In fairness, I have to somehow keep up with "Blackhawk Nation" wearing their Kane sweaters purchased circa May 2010.

Seriously, one of my good friends bought Hawks season tickets when he graduated college (~2004) and couldn't give the things away until about 2008 or so.


Yes, I'll give you that there are a bunch of people that jumped on the bandwagon (although most did in the 2008-2009 season, and interest was even starting to grow in 2007), and we won't even go into the whole thing about Bill Wirtz destroying the franchise in the late 90's and early 2000's. We also won't talk about when the Wings couldn't fill up their arena.

You chose to move to a city of a rival team, did you expect that they wouldn't start attracting attention once they got good again? Because the only cities that would happen in are in Florida. And being on Fark, I assume you wouldn't want to move there.
 
2013-05-21 09:51:41 AM

sno man: SlagginOff: Your earlier post insinuated that Franzen wasn't acting, but in this post you say that embellishment is part of the game. Make up your mind.

I'm not saying a the refs were right on that call, hell, they were wrong on several calls on both ends. I'm just asking for consistency from you.

I think I'm splitting the hair between embellishment and over embellishment.  One of my otherwise favourite young Leafs gets away with a lot of over embellishment, and draws a lot of penalty's, I wish he'd tone it down before he gets a reputation for doing it.


Understood. Whenever it comes to a call that's at the discretion of the ref such as these it's hard for anyone to really win the argument.
 
2013-05-21 09:53:00 AM
I'm probably fairly unique being both a Chicago and Detroit fan.

1) The goal should stand. *
2) And the Franzen hit should have probably been called given how they've been calling other games. **

* The protections on the goalkeeper are ridiculous. If the defense can't move the guy away from the goalie and he isn't actively touching the goalie, it shouldn't be a penalty or be enough to call off a goal.
** The uptick in boarding calls is also ridiculous. Everyone knows if you see someone coming you just turn to face the boards and they'll either not hit you, or they get hit and a penalty is called. It's ruining the game. I miss the days where the guy on the boards would square their shoulder and take the hit instead of turning around. The original boarding call was intended to prevent a guy ALREADY facing the boards from being hit from behind. Not guys turning at the last second.
 
2013-05-21 09:54:18 AM
Chicago fans should take a number.  Sharks fans are still looking for someone to pitchfork after that Game 2 debacle.
 
2013-05-21 09:59:28 AM

Thrakkorzog: Watched the game with my friend (a Hawks fan) and he was positive that he was pushed into the crease. I told him to watch the replay again today because he already had both feet in the crease and the defense man was playing the other guy and really didn't make much if any contact.


When I saw it last night (and again on SC), I was surprised no one talked about how, while Shaw was initially pushed in to the crease by Co____covo (and had plenty of time to get out), he was actually blocked in (had he tried to escape) by Kindl because Kindl was pushed in by a Hawk driving the next. I know they'll call off a goal if a forward pushes a D-man into his own G, but I'm not sure how many billiard balls are counted (Hawk to Kindl to Shaw to Howard).

All that said, this video is pretty damning, as it shows that despite Shaw being in the crease, he doesn't actually impede Howard's movement:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK-JylQ8Zg0
 
2013-05-21 10:05:06 AM

ancker: I'm probably fairly unique being both a Chicago and Detroit fan.

1) The goal should stand. *
2) And the Franzen hit should have probably been called given how they've been calling other games. **

* The protections on the goalkeeper are ridiculous. If the defense can't move the guy away from the goalie and he isn't actively touching the goalie, it shouldn't be a penalty or be enough to call off a goal.
** The uptick in boarding calls is also ridiculous. Everyone knows if you see someone coming you just turn to face the boards and they'll either not hit you, or they get hit and a penalty is called. It's ruining the game. I miss the days where the guy on the boards would square their shoulder and take the hit instead of turning around. The original boarding call was intended to prevent a guy ALREADY facing the boards from being hit from behind. Not guys turning at the last second.


I think the goalie should be fair game OUTSIDE of the crease, but inside, protected from the nonsense some teams try, and should be allowed full range of movement inside the crease. That doesn't mean the occasional skate in the crease should disallow a goal, but full in and not making an effort to get back out? That's definitely a no goal. Refs already make judgment calls on tripping and interference, this is no different. In Shaw's case, he barely had contact, yet ended up hanging around in the crease - there was clear intent to disrupt Howard, even if no actual contact was made.
 
2013-05-21 10:28:21 AM

LesserEvil: there was clear intent to disrupt Howard


Considering Shaw had one skate in the crease and most of his body out prior to Kindl pushing him farther in (and you can see effort on Shaw's behalf to avoid contact with howard), I don't see where you get that idea.
 
2013-05-21 10:40:43 AM

SlagginOff: sno man: SubBass49: I didn't see what happened to Franzen (kids were driving me nuts last night).  Was it a cheap shot?

It was a classic hit from behind,  2 min. boarding.... Hjalmarsson rode him down the boards too, nice helmet bounce off the dasher on the way down to the ice as well.  A few are calling for an Oscar nod to Fransen - mostly Blackhawk fans.

Oh, you mean Franzen was so hurt he wasn't up skating a few minutes later?


Back when I played in juniors, I was checked from behind into the boards so hard that even with a full face-cage my forehead, the bridge of my nose, and my chin were all split open.  My legs were numb for a few seconds, and I couldn't move.  I lay there on the ice until an official blew his whistle.  A few minutes later I was helped to the bench, and by the end of the game I was able to skate again & rejoined the game (headhunting the hell out of the guy that hit me from behind, might I add).

Maybe the blood pouring from my face was just hollywood blood though (after all, I was playing against a team in Burbank at the time).

Never underestimate what kind of damage hockey players can take while ending up finishing a game.  If we can still skate, and wont be a liability to our team, we're gonna be back out there ASAP.  I'd also put money on Franzen being about a million times tougher than me, and he's playing for a Stanley Cup, so there's that angle as well.
 
2013-05-21 10:44:53 AM
LesserEvil:

I think the goalie should be fair game OUTSIDE of the crease, but inside, protected from the nonsense some teams try, and should be allowed full range of movement inside the crease. That doesn't mean the occasional skate in the crease should disallow a goal, but full in and not making an effort to get back out? That's definitely a no goal. Refs already make judgment calls on tripping and interference, this is no different. In Shaw's case, he barely had contact, yet ended up hanging around in the crease - there was clear intent to disrupt Howard, even if no actual contact was made.

I think it should be the duty of the defense to remove the forward from the crease. If he's not making contact, it's a screen.
Shaw was in the crease, didn't make contact, and didn't obstruct the movement of the goalie. Regardless of how he got there or how long he stayed, Good Goal.
 
2013-05-21 10:49:32 AM

ancker: LesserEvil:

I think the goalie should be fair game OUTSIDE of the crease, but inside, protected from the nonsense some teams try, and should be allowed full range of movement inside the crease. That doesn't mean the occasional skate in the crease should disallow a goal, but full in and not making an effort to get back out? That's definitely a no goal. Refs already make judgment calls on tripping and interference, this is no different. In Shaw's case, he barely had contact, yet ended up hanging around in the crease - there was clear intent to disrupt Howard, even if no actual contact was made.

I think it should be the duty of the defense to remove the forward from the crease. If he's not making contact, it's a screen.
Shaw was in the crease, didn't make contact, and didn't obstruct the movement of the goalie. Regardless of how he got there or how long he stayed, Good Goal.


I'll agree if you agree that the first goal should not have happened and should have resulted in a boarding penalty against Chicago.

The whole thing evens out and only highlights bad refereeing. The end result is probably the same regardless.
 
2013-05-21 10:50:44 AM

TJWitz: LesserEvil: there was clear intent to disrupt Howard

Considering Shaw had one skate in the crease and most of his body out prior to Kindl pushing him farther in (and you can see effort on Shaw's behalf to avoid contact with howard), I don't see where you get that idea.


Honestly I think that call was just to make up for the Franzen hit. It was so close in time frame and Shaw's kind of a douche, it just happened to work out.

And for everyone who's saying Franzen was embellishing I'm assuming you've never been hit into the boards from behind. That shiat HURTS BAD, even if you don't break something.
 
2013-05-21 10:59:37 AM

Loomy: Thrakkorzog: Watched the game with my friend (a Hawks fan) and he was positive that he was pushed into the crease. I told him to watch the replay again today because he already had both feet in the crease and the defense man was playing the other guy and really didn't make much if any contact.

When I saw it last night (and again on SC), I was surprised no one talked about how, while Shaw was initially pushed in to the crease by Co____covo (and had plenty of time to get out), he was actually blocked in (had he tried to escape) by Kindl because Kindl was pushed in by a Hawk driving the next. I know they'll call off a goal if a forward pushes a D-man into his own G, but I'm not sure how many billiard balls are counted (Hawk to Kindl to Shaw to Howard).

All that said, this video is pretty damning, as it shows that despite Shaw being in the crease, he doesn't actually impede Howard's movement:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK-JylQ8Zg0


But he is already both feet in the crease when Kindl Bumps him and he isn't trying to get out. Howard has no room to butterfly with or really move with him that close. Notice how Howard is half in the net because he's being crowded.
 
2013-05-21 11:04:38 AM
The penalties aren't really hurting Chicago on the scoreboard.  It's more of a - now you're a man down and have to expend even more energy thing.
 
2013-05-21 11:05:57 AM

Thrakkorzog: But he is already both feet in the crease when Kindl Bumps him and he isn't trying to get out. Howard has no room to butterfly with or really move with him that close. Notice how Howard is half in the net because he's being crowded.


While Howard may have been crowded, Shaw had no place to go.  Players from three different angles, Howard being one of them. The Detroit D are in no way going to allow Shaw to create space in front of the next, so they boxed him in.
 
2013-05-21 11:14:01 AM

SubBass49: SlagginOff: sno man: SubBass49: I didn't see what happened to Franzen (kids were driving me nuts last night).  Was it a cheap shot?

It was a classic hit from behind,  2 min. boarding.... Hjalmarsson rode him down the boards too, nice helmet bounce off the dasher on the way down to the ice as well.  A few are calling for an Oscar nod to Fransen - mostly Blackhawk fans.

Oh, you mean Franzen was so hurt he wasn't up skating a few minutes later?

Back when I played in juniors, I was checked from behind into the boards so hard that even with a full face-cage my forehead, the bridge of my nose, and my chin were all split open.  My legs were numb for a few seconds, and I couldn't move.  I lay there on the ice until an official blew his whistle.  A few minutes later I was helped to the bench, and by the end of the game I was able to skate again & rejoined the game (headhunting the hell out of the guy that hit me from behind, might I add).

Maybe the blood pouring from my face was just hollywood blood though (after all, I was playing against a team in Burbank at the time).

Never underestimate what kind of damage hockey players can take while ending up finishing a game.  If we can still skate, and wont be a liability to our team, we're gonna be back out there ASAP.  I'd also put money on Franzen being about a million times tougher than me, and he's playing for a Stanley Cup, so there's that angle as well.


I'm well aware of how hard the hits are and how quick some players are able to bounce back. I was mainly making the point that some people were blowing the extremity of the hit out of proportion. Yes, it should have been a penalty, but it wasn't a Rafi Torres-like hit, and Franzen was out there a few plays later (not at the end of the game).
 
2013-05-21 11:20:16 AM
hawks fan here. That was a classic makeup call. I have no problem with it, considering the Franzen thing.
 
2013-05-21 11:24:23 AM

sno man: like this?...
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LOL hopefully there are plenty more opportunities to use that this year. A Penguins one would be nice to have if you're up to it.
 
2013-05-21 11:26:47 AM

SlagginOff: In fairness, I have to somehow keep up with "Blackhawk Nation" wearing their Kane sweaters purchased circa May 2010.

Seriously, one of my good friends bought Hawks season tickets when he graduated college (~2004) and couldn't give the things away until about 2008 or so.

Yes, I'll give you that there are a bunch of people that jumped on the bandwagon (although most did in the 2008-2009 season, and interest was even starting to grow in 2007), and we won't even go into the whole thing about Bill Wirtz destroying the franchise in the late 90's and early 2000's. We also won't talk about when the Wings couldn't fill up their arena.


Maybe you won't go into it, but I will. I'm sick of hearing how every Hawks fan is a bandwagoner because they didn't follow the team until 2008. The Hawks have lead the league in attendance since 2008-09. It has nothing to do with the cup that they won in 09/10, and everything to do with Wirtz. People outside of Chicago don't seem to realize how difficult it was to be a fan of the team when that guy was in charge. The team wasn't on TV except for during the playoffs, so it was impossible to get into the team unless your parents were taking you to the games, and why would you want that - you never saw the team on TV so you don't have any attachment to the team. For adults - why would you support this owner, when he only cared about you if you were a season ticket holder? This is a classic case of an owner being shiatty, and the fans not supporting him because of it. Of course their Stanley Cup drought didn't help, but that was secondary. Once he died, the Hawks fans were able to follow the team on television again, which generated enough interest to get butts in the seats.

There have always been plenty of Blackhawk fans (my brother got his retarded tattoo well before 2008). They just didn't support a shiatty owner.

/casual hockey fan
//no '09 Kane jersey
 
2013-05-21 11:38:57 AM

WhiskeySticks: Thrakkorzog: But he is already both feet in the crease when Kindl Bumps him and he isn't trying to get out. Howard has no room to butterfly with or really move with him that close. Notice how Howard is half in the net because he's being crowded.

While Howard may have been crowded, Shaw had no place to go.  Players from three different angles, Howard being one of them. The Detroit D are in no way going to allow Shaw to create space in front of the next, so they boxed him in.


It's extremely difficult to push some one if your skating backwards backwards. If Shaw was more aware of where he was he could have held his ground easily.
 
2013-05-21 11:45:46 AM
I still say the NHL should take the 2nd referee off the ice and put him in a box at the red line on the opposite side from the benches.
 
2013-05-21 11:47:59 AM

skrame: he team wasn't on TV except for during the playoffs, so it was impossible to get into the team unless your parents were taking you to the games, and why would you want that - you never saw the team on TV so you don't have any attachment to the team. For adults - why would you support this owner, when he only cared about you if you were a season ticket holder? This is a classic case of an owner being shiatty, and the fans not supporting him because of it.


I am one of those new fans I suppose. I am 44. People do not understand, that home games were never on TV. think about that. No home games, where you can see your fans cheering, you only see the games where the other team is rooted for. I 100% jumped on the bandwagon in 08 or whatever the first year they started airing the home games. Bill Wirtz is the worst owner in the history of sports.
 
2013-05-21 11:48:49 AM

skrame: SlagginOff: In fairness, I have to somehow keep up with "Blackhawk Nation" wearing their Kane sweaters purchased circa May 2010.

Seriously, one of my good friends bought Hawks season tickets when he graduated college (~2004) and couldn't give the things away until about 2008 or so.

Yes, I'll give you that there are a bunch of people that jumped on the bandwagon (although most did in the 2008-2009 season, and interest was even starting to grow in 2007), and we won't even go into the whole thing about Bill Wirtz destroying the franchise in the late 90's and early 2000's. We also won't talk about when the Wings couldn't fill up their arena.

Maybe you won't go into it, but I will. I'm sick of hearing how every Hawks fan is a bandwagoner because they didn't follow the team until 2008. The Hawks have lead the league in attendance since 2008-09. It has nothing to do with the cup that they won in 09/10, and everything to do with Wirtz. People outside of Chicago don't seem to realize how difficult it was to be a fan of the team when that guy was in charge. The team wasn't on TV except for during the playoffs, so it was impossible to get into the team unless your parents were taking you to the games, and why would you want that - you never saw the team on TV so you don't have any attachment to the team. For adults - why would you support this owner, when he only cared about you if you were a season ticket holder? This is a classic case of an owner being shiatty, and the fans not supporting him because of it. Of course their Stanley Cup drought didn't help, but that was secondary. Once he died, the Hawks fans were able to follow the team on television again, which generated enough interest to get butts in the seats.

There have always been plenty of Blackhawk fans (my brother got his retarded tattoo well before 2008). They just didn't support a shiatty owner.

/casual hockey fan
//no '09 Kane jersey


Thank you. I've wasted too much time arguing this point with Wings fans. As if I don't run into plenty of "Detroit" (West Bloomfield) people in Chicago in Wings gear who can barely even name their goalie. Generally post-college Michigan sorority skanks, but plenty of dudes too.
 
2013-05-21 11:59:10 AM

bluenote13: Obviously not a fan of either team but that was a missed call on Franzen which would have meant the resulting goal was no good.  Call him a diver or actor all you want, I have called him and that entire team worse in the last 40 years, but that was a boarding call not made.

Also, there is no way the goal should ahve been allowed with Shaw impeeding the ability of Howard to move in the crease.  You can have a foot in the crease, hell, you can have your whole body in there, you just cannot be in a position to interfere with the goalie doing his job.  The funny thing about all the 'goalie interference' calls like this is they almost never result in an actual penalty.  I guess the ref's have decided that taking away the goal is penalty enough.

With that being said, the officiating this year in the playoffs has been worse than ever.  I don't care if they are good or bad but just like MLB umpires, just be consistent.  Watching games you have no idea from period to period what will be called anymore.  At least with umpires you know which ones are bad all the time.  The NHL officiating is like having 4 Joey Crawfords out there sometimes.  One of these days, officials are going to realize fans do not pay to see them or their antics.  Just call the game like the rule books says and be done with it.


Shaw never touched or interfered with Howard's ability to make the play. In fact, Howard made the initial save.
 
2013-05-21 12:00:23 PM
Not a fan of either team...but that was one of the worst examples of officiating I've seen in a long time.
The entire game...not just the one or two plays in question.
 
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