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(BBC)   A little too late, but the 1845 Irish potato famine pest has been identified   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 17
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2013-05-21 08:44:28 AM  
4 votes:
Food production went up in Ireland during this time. They were starved, it wasn't a famine.
2013-05-21 09:31:26 AM  
3 votes:

johnryan51: Food production went up in Ireland during this time. They were starved, it wasn't a famine.


Exactly. And the Irish people got more help from the Sultan of Turkey than the English government. What was in short supply were the cheaper food products that the lower classes were dependant on.
IIRC, one Irish politician at the start of WW1 would not vote on war against Turkey. He said that as long as one Irishman remembered what happened in the famine, Turks should at least have one friend in the west.
2013-05-21 08:33:50 AM  
2 votes:
evolution.berkeley.edu

Thank goodness we've learned the lessons of history and this could never happen again.
2013-05-21 06:36:03 PM  
1 votes:

ShadowKamui: Simply put you have no clue of actual history and just want to use the idiotic noble savage myth to go bashing Europeans


Nope, I'm bashing Americans for nagging about the Famine while forgetting that everything they own is built on the largest act of ethnic cleansing in human history.
2013-05-21 06:00:16 PM  
1 votes:

ShadowKamui: Sidoko: ShadowKamui: What they did to each other prior to the Europeans getting there or choosing losing sides in trade wars isn't anyone's fault but their own.  The Aztecs' horrendous mistreatment and wars of conquest against their neighbors are why they lost to the Spanish and their native allies.

So drop the noble savage act, and save the crying for the ones that actually got screwed like the Cherokee.

So you don't give a damn about genocide. Fine. Then stop bleating about a famine.

What point of Cherokee do you not understand?


I'm glad of your sympathy for the Cherokee. I look forward to your sympathy for every other native nation.
2013-05-21 05:11:24 PM  
1 votes:

ShadowKamui: What they did to each other prior to the Europeans getting there or choosing losing sides in trade wars isn't anyone's fault but their own.  The Aztecs' horrendous mistreatment and wars of conquest against their neighbors are why they lost to the Spanish and their native allies.

So drop the noble savage act, and save the crying for the ones that actually got screwed like the Cherokee.


So you don't give a damn about genocide. Fine. Then stop bleating about a famine.
2013-05-21 02:01:40 PM  
1 votes:

This text is now purple: Sonneillon: Precisely, the Irish should count themselves lucky, the Indians suffered far worse due to English mismanagement.

The Irish were smart enough to ally with the Americans.


Welllll.....
2013-05-21 02:00:34 PM  
1 votes:

This text is now purple: Sonneillon: Precisely, the Irish should count themselves lucky, the Indians suffered far worse due to English mismanagement.

The Irish were smart enough to ally with the Americans.


You mean that Irish-Americans helped to wipe out the Indians and permanently steal the whole of North America so maybe they should either quit the self-righteousness or get off that stolen continent?

/still confused
2013-05-21 01:27:15 PM  
1 votes:

theorellior: Not to say that other factors were involved, but it was my understanding that the potato blight basically destroyed just about every bed of potatoes within a week in the affected areas.


It was a perfect storm of conditions really. Forced land locations, prevention of replanting in unaffected areas, the change in policy preventing grain and corn imports from outside the country, etc...

Just a giant whirlwind of shiat contributed to those conditions.

And now we have to deal with South Boston...thanks English
2013-05-21 12:44:27 PM  
1 votes:
The pest that cause the famine?  You mean the British?  We already knew that.
2013-05-21 11:50:31 AM  
1 votes:
ShadowKamui: Hey the English did offer a modest proposal to fix all the Irish's problems, stop trying to blame the English.

Precisely, the Irish should count themselves lucky, the Indians suffered far worse due to English mismanagement.

Did you mean that Irish-Americans should stop bleating about the wicked English because they're all living on land that was taken from the Native Americans with far worse cruelty, and will never be given back, and that therefore the Irish-Irish should shut up and thank god they weren't instead colonised by Americans?

/confused
2013-05-21 11:31:59 AM  
1 votes:

KellyX: Stop changing the subject, this is about hating the English for being total assholes and letting my people starve just cause they had this idiot notion that by helping people in down times that they was going to make them dependent on them forever and be welfare queens more or less.


To be fair you probably mean Russell and the Whigs rather than the English as a whole - Peel and the Tories during the initial year or two of the famine tried various things to help (imported grain from the US, and later canceled the Corn Laws originally implemented to keep cheap imports from undermining British agriculture, etc.) It was only really when the Whigs took over with their belief in their laissez faire, libertarian ideals that things went from bad (but generally survivable) to disastrous.
2013-05-21 10:34:03 AM  
1 votes:
Also... FARK CROMWELL!!
2013-05-21 10:01:57 AM  
1 votes:

KellyX: Stop changing the subject, this is about hating the English for being total assholes and letting my people starve just cause they had this idiot notion that by helping people in down times that they was going to make them dependent on them forever and be welfare queens more or less.


Go home, KellyX. You're drunk.
2013-05-21 09:52:29 AM  
1 votes:

UNC_Samurai: Oh, and identifying centuries-old pathogens is in no way highly beneficial to numerous social and life sciences.

One of the greatest historical/archaeological/biological mysteries is the Athenian Plague.  We know the bacteria responsible for bubonic plague; the debate with the Black Death is localizing the origin point of the mid-14th century strain.  We have no real idea of what caused the plague to spread in 430 and again in 427-26 BCE, but it was likely a major factor in the Athenians losing the Peloponnesian War.


Stop changing the subject, this is about hating the English for being total assholes and letting my people starve just cause they had this idiot notion that by helping people in down times that they was going to make them dependent on them forever and be welfare queens more or less.
2013-05-21 09:44:26 AM  
1 votes:
Oh, and identifying centuries-old pathogens is in no way highly beneficial to numerous social and life sciences.

One of the greatest historical/archaeological/biological mysteries is the Athenian Plague.  We know the bacteria responsible for bubonic plague; the debate with the Black Death is localizing the origin point of the mid-14th century strain.  We have no real idea of what caused the plague to spread in 430 and again in 427-26 BCE, but it was likely a major factor in the Athenians losing the Peloponnesian War.
2013-05-21 09:34:55 AM  
1 votes:

ShadowKamui: The Irish?


I came to say the English.
 
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