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2013-05-21 08:40:26 AM  
Has he coached anywhere but the Q?

I mean "Yea!" and all, but hunh.
 
2013-05-21 09:33:58 AM  
Another reason to hate The Avs.
 
2013-05-21 09:41:21 AM  

Life_is_a_carnivore: Another reason to hate The Avs.


this.. was indifferent about them before but now I cannot stand them.

/that was easy
 
2013-05-21 09:43:58 AM  
So the next time a team puts up 8 goals against the Avs and the GM doesn't pull him early enough, he's going to waddle up to his office and demand a trade back to Montreal?
 
2013-05-21 09:48:02 AM  
As an Avs fan I am cautiously optimistic. As a hockey fan I'm reaching for my popcorn, this will be highly entertaining.
 
2013-05-21 09:49:42 AM  
Camp for goalie fighting begins now.
 
2013-05-21 09:59:09 AM  
Would that be Patrick "Statue of Liberty" Roy?

Cup Check: So the next time a team puts up 8 goals against the Avs and the GM doesn't pull him early enough, he's going to waddle up to his office and demand a trade back to Montreal?


THIS.
 
2013-05-21 09:59:23 AM  
Has he coached anywhere since he retired? Star players rarely make decent coaches, especially the ones who try and start at the top.
 
2013-05-21 10:01:05 AM  

Ham Sandvich: Has he coached anywhere since he retired? Star players rarely make decent coaches, especially the ones who try and start at the top.


Guessing your sample size is one other coach right?
 
2013-05-21 10:01:14 AM  

Ham Sandvich: Has he coached anywhere since he retired? Star players rarely make decent coaches, especially the ones who try and start at the top.


He bought his son's QMJ team, and coached it to a Memorial cup... but that was a while ago.
 
2013-05-21 10:11:47 AM  

sno man: Ham Sandvich: Has he coached anywhere since he retired? Star players rarely make decent coaches, especially the ones who try and start at the top.

He bought his son's QMJ team, and coached it to a Memorial cup... but that was a while ago.


His son was quite the goon, too, wasn't he?

I suspect Roy will be a Crawford-type coach... sending goons out to injure opponents. This won't be good for the league, but at least the Red Wings will be int he East next year and won't have to deal with the thuggery much.
 
2013-05-21 10:17:39 AM  
First off, this hasn't been finalized, although it's been rumored to be happening for a few weeks and it should be all but done.

Second, let your hate flow through you, Detroit fans.

Ham Sandvich: Has he coached anywhere since he retired? Star players rarely make decent coaches, especially the ones who try and start at the top.


That's a massive generality, just as easily proven wrong than right. Also, Roy has been coach/GM/VP/owner of the Quebec Ramparts since shortly after he retired. I don't think he's starting at the top at this point.
 
2013-05-21 10:18:34 AM  

LesserEvil: His son was quite the goon, too, wasn't he?


I don't think he took it quite to dad's level, but there was a goalie fight the son was in I think the Memorial Cup year... might be on youtube somewhere.
 
2013-05-21 10:27:29 AM  
I have zero cares for the Avs normally, but this makes me immediately interested to watch them.

/Jackets fan
//Fark the Wings
 
2013-05-21 10:32:28 AM  

swahnhennessy: First off, this hasn't been finalized, although it's been rumored to be happening for a few weeks and it should be all but done.

Second, let your hate flow through you, Detroit fans.

Ham Sandvich: Has he coached anywhere since he retired? Star players rarely make decent coaches, especially the ones who try and start at the top.

That's a massive generality, just as easily proven wrong than right. Also, Roy has been coach/GM/VP/owner of the Quebec Ramparts since shortly after he retired. I don't think he's starting at the top at this point.



He actually had a pretty impressive record as coach. From the Denver Post:

Roy, 47, has coached the Quebec Remparts of the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League since 2005, compiling a 307-128-32 record, including a Memorial Cup championship.
 
2013-05-21 10:32:39 AM  

sno man: LesserEvil: His son was quite the goon, too, wasn't he?

I don't think he took it quite to dad's level, but there was a goalie fight the son was in I think the Memorial Cup year... might be on youtube somewhere.


Guilty as charged, it seems.

Video, forgive the language.

I like how people assume us Red Wings fans are so full of hate. No hate... just pity for all the west teams that will probably come out of Colorado with star players injured. It will happen.
 
2013-05-21 10:36:28 AM  

swahnhennessy: First off, this hasn't been finalized, although it's been rumored to be happening for a few weeks and it should be all but done.

Second, let your hate flow through you, Detroit fans.

Ham Sandvich: Has he coached anywhere since he retired? Star players rarely make decent coaches, especially the ones who try and start at the top.

That's a massive generality, just as easily proven wrong than right. Also, Roy has been coach/GM/VP/owner of the Quebec Ramparts since shortly after he retired. I don't think he's starting at the top at this point.


Interestingly, one of the NHL pre-game programs (I don't recall if it was the english or french TSN) was commenting about this and mentioned that ex-player coaches historically have a much lower winning percentage than do coaches who never played in the NHL.

I didn't hear any numbers mentioned. Anyone know anything more about this? It sounded recent.
 
2013-05-21 10:37:50 AM  

LesserEvil: sno man: LesserEvil: His son was quite the goon, too, wasn't he?

I don't think he took it quite to dad's level, but there was a goalie fight the son was in I think the Memorial Cup year... might be on youtube somewhere.

Guilty as charged, it seems.

Video, forgive the language.

I like how people assume us Red Wings fans are so full of hate. No hate... just pity for all the west teams that will probably come out of Colorado with star players injured. It will happen.


Funny how I remember stuff sometimes... yea guilty.
 
2013-05-21 10:40:17 AM  

LesserEvil: I like how people assume us Red Wings fans are so full of hate. No hate... just pity for all the west teams that will probably come out of Colorado with star players injured. It will happen.


OK, sorry. Not hate. Delusion. My bad.
 
2013-05-21 10:44:06 AM  

Pardon Me Sultan: Interestingly, one of the NHL pre-game programs (I don't recall if it was the english or french TSN) was commenting about this and mentioned that ex-player coaches historically have a much lower winning percentage than do coaches who never played in the NHL.

I didn't hear any numbers mentioned. Anyone know anything more about this? It sounded recent.


There are a lot of pretty successful current coaches that played Quinville, Carlyle, Julien, Sutter, without trying too hard.  Not so many that were stars, Oates...
 
2013-05-21 11:00:34 AM  
Say Roy?
 
2013-05-21 11:08:59 AM  

pregerstheHobo: swahnhennessy: First off, this hasn't been finalized, although it's been rumored to be happening for a few weeks and it should be all but done.

Second, let your hate flow through you, Detroit fans.

Ham Sandvich: Has he coached anywhere since he retired? Star players rarely make decent coaches, especially the ones who try and start at the top.

That's a massive generality, just as easily proven wrong than right. Also, Roy has been coach/GM/VP/owner of the Quebec Ramparts since shortly after he retired. I don't think he's starting at the top at this point.


He actually had a pretty impressive record as coach. From the Denver Post:

Roy, 47, has coached the Quebec Remparts of the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League since 2005, compiling a 307-128-32 record, including a Memorial Cup championship.


I didn't know what he'd been doing since he bowed out. I tend to forget that, sometimes, sports teams are run by responsible management that hire qualified people, instead of chasing names to distract from how shiatty the team really is.
 
2013-05-21 11:33:27 AM  

Pardon Me Sultan: I didn't hear any numbers mentioned. Anyone know anything more about this? It sounded recent.


Gretzky coached 4 seasons and the Coyotes didn't make the playoffs once.
Denis Savard for the Blackhawks coached 1.5 seasons and didn't make the playoffs.
Bryan Trottier coached 1 with the Rangers in 2002/03 and was canned.

that's 3 off the top of my head.
 
2013-05-21 11:36:39 AM  
Hell last a season if that.

Hiring coaches on past glories rather than skill never works out
 
2013-05-21 11:45:15 AM  

Milk D: Pardon Me Sultan: I didn't hear any numbers mentioned. Anyone know anything more about this? It sounded recent.

Gretzky coached 4 seasons and the Coyotes didn't make the playoffs once.
Denis Savard for the Blackhawks coached 1.5 seasons and didn't make the playoffs.
Bryan Trottier coached 1 with the Rangers in 2002/03 and was canned.

that's 3 off the top of my head.


Seeing this line made me curse quite loudly for 5 minutes just now.

Anyway, ex-NHL players becoming coaches isn't guaranteed suckage. How many current NHL coaches played for the Hartford Whalers, for example?

/Current Coyotes coach Dave Tippett is one
 
2013-05-21 11:47:44 AM  

Milk D: that's 3 off the top of my head.


Yeah, but then you've got Toe Blake or Jaques Lemaire saying hello.
 
2013-05-21 11:58:54 AM  

LesserEvil: sno man: Ham Sandvich: Has he coached anywhere since he retired? Star players rarely make decent coaches, especially the ones who try and start at the top.

He bought his son's QMJ team, and coached it to a Memorial cup... but that was a while ago.

His son was quite the goon, too, wasn't he?

I suspect Roy will be a Crawford-type coach... sending goons out to injure opponents. This won't be good for the league, but at least the Red Wings will be int he East next year and won't have to deal with the thuggery much.


you sound like a soggy pussy...a typical red wing (bloody vagina) fan.
 
2013-05-21 12:04:01 PM  

Dogfacedgod: LesserEvil: sno man: Ham Sandvich: Has he coached anywhere since he retired? Star players rarely make decent coaches, especially the ones who try and start at the top.

He bought his son's QMJ team, and coached it to a Memorial cup... but that was a while ago.

His son was quite the goon, too, wasn't he?

I suspect Roy will be a Crawford-type coach... sending goons out to injure opponents. This won't be good for the league, but at least the Red Wings will be int he East next year and won't have to deal with the thuggery much.

you sound like a soggy pussy...a typical red wing (bloody vagina) fan.


www.reactiongifs.com
 
2013-05-21 12:23:42 PM  

swahnhennessy: Yeah, but then you've got Toe Blake or Jaques Lemaire saying hello.


very true.  I didn't see the piece on TSN; but I'm guessing they were saying something along the lines of Marc Crawford (little playing experience), Scotty Bowman (best coach arguably ever in sports),
Dan Bylsma, etc. have all had great results AND they didn't play much professional hockey vs. former players/HOF'ers that try to coach and the results they get.

//go hawks.
//detroit has no windows.
 
2013-05-21 12:43:36 PM  
I hope every team he plays is his wife since he's so good at beating her.
 
2013-05-21 01:02:08 PM  
My older brother used to tend bar at a Denver sports bar (can't remember the name) during the Avs heyday of the 90s, and according to him Roy ordered virgin daiquiris when he came in.

He has plenty of stories, I just don't remember them, except for that he has firsthand experience with Eric Lindros being a colossal asshole.
 
2013-05-21 01:05:01 PM  
This is going to be interesting, good coach or not.  I'm very curios to see what happens when Roys ego starts to take over the dressing room.
 
2013-05-21 01:14:39 PM  
Sounds good to me. He knows his hockey and he sure as shiat knows his goal-tending. Plus, I agree that he'll place a few goons on the squad, something Colorado sorely needs.
 
2013-05-21 01:33:29 PM  
I expect this to be a disaster for the Avalanche but highly entertaining -- think Barry Melrose -- for the rest of the league.
 
2013-05-21 01:37:24 PM  
Wow he just retired from playing basketball and is now coaching hockey what a guy
 
rka
2013-05-21 02:04:52 PM  

Flappyhead: This is going to be interesting, good coach or not.  I'm very curios to see what happens when Roys ego starts to take over the dressing room.


Well, at least someone will be showing some fire. Sacco couldn't really get these guys thinking about anything other than Vegas down the stretch going by Giggy's rant.

It was a bone headed move to fire Quennville, but other than him we've seen two rounds of Tony Granato and Joe Sacco since the last Cup run.
 
2013-05-21 02:17:45 PM  
He's got that Statue Of Liberty down pat after all these years...

www.speculativesports.com
 
2013-05-21 02:19:24 PM  
What's the deal with Colorado and alumni:

Patrick Roy - Avalanche head coach (formerly coached jr. hockey)
Walt Weiss - Rockies' manager (formerly coached high school baseball)
John Elway - Broncos' GM (formerly owned an arena team)
Jon Embree - Colorado head coach last year (first head coaching gig at any level)

/so will Alex English be the next Nuggets' head coach?
 
rka
2013-05-21 02:22:44 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: What's the deal with Colorado and alumni:

Patrick Roy - Avalanche head coach (formerly coached jr. hockey)
Walt Weiss - Rockies' manager (formerly coached high school baseball)
John Elway - Broncos' GM (formerly owned an arena team)
Jon Embree - Colorado head coach last year (first head coaching gig at any level)

/so will Alex English be the next Nuggets' head coach?


Hell, the Nuggets started it. Dan Issel and Bill Hanzlik were both former Nuggets players.
 
2013-05-21 02:29:45 PM  
Go Pens
 
2013-05-21 02:41:10 PM  
YES!
This made me very happy :-)
 
2013-05-21 02:51:26 PM  
Happy Roy!
discuss-hockey.com
 
2013-05-21 03:20:51 PM  
But will Mike Vernon beat him up on Center Ice AGAIN!!

Patty Whaaa   is a puke....   He is the main reason I HATE the AVS.....   On the bright side, the WIngs might never play them again since the AVS never make it to the PLAYOFFs  let alone the CUP anymore....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeF5XF8jxkQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS2WGERGKHE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=vJlCdIOWkYM&feature=endscreen
 
2013-05-21 03:29:05 PM  
Doesn't matter if the Avs hired the hometown hockey Jesus.  The owners are still cheap pricks that realize Colorado sports fans will still come to games when the team sucks and they will still make money.
 
2013-05-21 04:04:51 PM  

Flipper47465: But will Mike Vernon beat him up on Center Ice AGAIN!!

Patty Whaaa   is a puke....   He is the main reason I HATE the AVS.....   On the bright side, the WIngs might never play them again since the AVS never make it to the PLAYOFFs  let alone the CUP anymore....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeF5XF8jxkQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS2WGERGKHE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=vJlCdIOWkYM&feature=endscreen


You forgot one.   http://www.youtube.com/wa tch?v=mKeTho0bkvs
 
2013-05-21 04:46:06 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: What's the deal with Colorado and alumni:

Patrick Roy - Avalanche head coach (formerly coached jr. hockey)
Walt Weiss - Rockies' manager (formerly coached high school baseball)
John Elway - Broncos' GM (formerly owned an arena team)
Jon Embree - Colorado head coach last year (first head coaching gig at any level)

/so will Alex English be the next Nuggets' head coach?


Roy is a borderline legit hire by his Remparts experience.  Many head coaches come from the Juniors.  (Joe Sakic is the EVP of operations too).

Walt Weiss didn't seek out the Rockies job, they sought him out.  The Rockies Front Office is so screwed up, they have someone from the Front Office in the Clubhouse.  That's a big reason why Jim Tracey left last year, and why they couldn't get a big name to manage the Rockies.

Elway had Arena League success, and Pat Bowlen, after firing Mike Shanahan, hiring Josh McDaniels (and drafting Tebow), needed a huge PR shot in the arm.  I think he got more than he thought with Elway's success, but I'd be curious to see what happens when Manning leaves/retires.

Nuggets have been with George Karl for awhile, and I doubt they'd go back to their ABA days for another coach.

Pro teams do these things all the time....the famous "special advisor" title....mostly PR reasons.
 
2013-05-21 04:55:49 PM  
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Flipper47465: But will Mike Vernon beat him up on Center Ice AGAIN!!

Patty Whaaa is a puke.... He is the main reason I HATE the AVS..... On the bright side, the WIngs might never play them again since the AVS never make it to the PLAYOFFs let alone the CUP anymore....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeF5XF8jxkQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS2WGERGKHE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=vJlCdIOWkYM&feature=endscreen

You forgot one. http://www.youtube.com/wa tch?v=mKeTho0bkvs



Yep, one of my favorite games EVER.... I was with my wife in a nice bar in Portland and they people must have thought I was nuts as I kept screaming YES!!
 
2013-05-21 05:24:10 PM  

Flipper47465: But will Mike Vernon beat him up on Center Ice AGAIN!!

Patty Whaaa   is a puke....   He is the main reason I HATE the AVS.....   On the bright side, the WIngs might never play them again since the AVS never make it to the PLAYOFFs  let alone the CUP anymore....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeF5XF8jxkQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS2WGERGKHE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=vJlCdIOWkYM&feature=endscreen


It is funny how Wha's career is defined by the Red Wings.

You missed McCarty's hat trick that got him pulled at the Joe followed by the crowd chanting, "We Want Wha!  We Want Wha!"  That may have been the Statue of Liberty game.
 
2013-05-21 05:56:36 PM  

LessO2: Nuggets have been with George Karl for awhile, and I doubt they'd go back to their ABA days for another coach.

Pro teams do these things all the time....the famous "special advisor" title....mostly PR reasons.


Nuggets need to hold on to Karl for as long as they can (and ignore the idiotic locals who want him fired).

And yeah there are quite a few ex-jock "special advisors" like, say, Reggie Jackson on the Yankees.  The vast majority of them, like Reggie, will never be anything but honorary members of team management
 
2013-05-21 06:31:09 PM  
Randy Carlyle was a star on the Jets.
 
2013-05-21 06:38:04 PM  

ontariolightning: Randy Carlyle was a star on the Jets.


He did win a Norris with Pittsburgh in '81 ...but I'm pretty sure no one would ever confuse him with a star.
 
2013-05-21 06:42:20 PM  

elguerodiablo: Doesn't matter if the Avs hired the hometown hockey Jesus.  The owners are still cheap pricks that realize Colorado sports fans will still come to games when the team sucks and they will still make money.


KROENKE HATE GO!
 
2013-05-21 06:56:30 PM  

swahnhennessy: Second, let your hate flow through you, Detroit fans.


Does anyone really give a damn about what the Avs are doing these days, except Avs fans? I'm pretty sure Detroit is more interested in, for example, the Blackhawks.

That being said, when Seth Jones goes to Colorado, things may get interesting in the next few years.
 
rka
2013-05-21 07:21:30 PM  

puffy999: swahnhennessy: Second, let your hate flow through you, Detroit fans.

Does anyone really give a damn about what the Avs are doing these days, except Avs fans? I'm pretty sure Detroit is more interested in, for example, the Blackhawks.

That being said, when Seth Jones goes to Colorado, things may get interesting in the next few years.


By the looks of things here in Denver, even Avs fans don't really give a damn about the Avs. Hell, you could argue ownership didn't give a damn about the Avs.

But hope springs eternal. The Kroenke family claims to be stepping up to a much more active role, much like they've done with the Nugs. Be interesting to see what sort of mark Joe Sakic makes. If Broncos history is any indicator, Greg Sherman will be a lame duck GM, just around enough to show Joe where the executive bathroom is, and he'll be gone in a year (Elway dropped Brian Xanders after a year). Possible stud D man coming in. And...who knows who the new coach will actually be. This whole Roy thing today was based on a Facebook post from his brother and that's it.

It's why we watch.
 
2013-05-21 07:30:53 PM  
The more I think about it, the more I think this is a great idea, Roy has basically nothing to lose, new coach with the 30th place team has a nearly total pass for the first year, and he's got a pretty young, mostly under achieving team that with just a bit of push can be a way better team.  He actually has a few years experience coaching kids, and if JSG is to be believed, he'll have a bunch here.
 
2013-05-21 09:34:26 PM  
This should take an interesting toll on what sobriety he still possesses.
 
2013-05-21 09:51:05 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: This should take an interesting toll on what sobriety he still possesses.


Even when he played there he was a pretty notorious non drinker, all that rage is not alcohol fueled...
 
2013-05-21 09:58:26 PM  
Damn, I love saying this mans name. RAW
 
2013-05-21 10:11:44 PM  
Since this thread is turning into a Wings thread, let me just point out how asinine it is to be kowtowing to the Wings just because they're an Original Six team. They're still the seventeenth-most-eastern team in the league (Nationwide is two miles further east than the Joe) because the league is overbalanced to the east.  No manner of fiddling with divisions, conferences and the like is ever going to change that.  Plus, they're giving up almost all their rivalries, which is even dumber.

That being said, as my grandmother was a Roy (we say it regularly, even if it's French), I've always had a little soft spot for Patrick, even when he was a farking Hab.  I'm hopeful this works out.
 
2013-05-21 10:42:10 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: This should take an interesting toll on what sobriety he still possesses.


 I lauged for a good 5 min.  Thanks.
 
2013-05-21 11:26:57 PM  

FriarReb98: Since this thread is turning into a Wings thread.


I could turn it into a Devils thread if you want. For instance, when you think about Patrick Roy, just remember that...

profile.ak.fbcdn.net
 
2013-05-22 12:41:22 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: FriarReb98: Since this thread is turning into a Wings thread.

I could turn it into a Devils thread if you want. For instance, when you think about Patrick Roy, just remember that...


Remember when they played head to head in the SCF? Remember that? I can't quite place it...would you be so kind as to remind me what happened? There was a game seven somewhere in there I think...
 
2013-05-22 04:08:48 AM  

pregerstheHobo: DarkSoulNoHope: FriarReb98: Since this thread is turning into a Wings thread.

I could turn it into a Devils thread if you want. For instance, when you think about Patrick Roy, just remember that...

Remember when they played head to head in the SCF? Remember that? I can't quite place it...would you be so kind as to remind me what happened? There was a game seven somewhere in there I think...


Marty still has better records than Roy ever did, adjusted alot better to changing hockey shooting strategies as the years past, and he stayed with the team he got drafted with his entire career (Roy instead gets pissed that he doesn't get pulled to the bench and ends his career with the Canadiens that same night; Marty took a pay cut in order to stay with New Jersey, he could of had alot more). Marty still has a chance at a fourth Stanley Cup if Lou can keep the top talent and make sure there is more scoring/skating depth this year in case Kovy, Clarkson, or Elias gets injured. One Stanley Cup loss isn't his own fault, especially if the team in 2001 (one of the best Devils teams ever fielded) didn't show up to most of the playoffs and somehow still got to the SCF.
 
2013-05-22 04:40:50 AM  

pregerstheHobo: Remember when they played head to head in the SCF? Remember that?


No, I don't recall a single SCF where it was only two goalies on the ice.

/fan of neither team
 
2013-05-22 05:33:06 AM  
The best coaches tend to be 4th liners/bench-warmers who may or may not have long careers but their extensive exposure to the nuances of the game from an intimate and privileged point of observation gives them some special insight into its underlying mechanics. Also, because they are not the most skilled or the most valuable members on their teams, necessity compelled them to become valuable in other ways such as intelligence and strategic thinking. It lends well to a rewarding coaching career once they are done playing. This is especially true in hockey (Don Cherry, for instance, only played in one NHL game).

Superstars like Gretzky are rare, generational talents who have a high-functioning level of intuition backed by an innate skill-set that can't exactly be coached, taught or practiced. A lot of what they did was purely instinctual and only worked for them. That's why they are busts as coaches.

Not sure how this applies to Patrick Roy, but that is the general trend.
 
2013-05-22 03:26:20 PM  
Wh

swahnhennessy: Second, let your hate flow through you, Detroit fans.


Hate? The Avs suck too much to be worthy of hate anymore.

/More like Avs-Not, amirite?
 
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