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2013-05-21 12:36:20 AM  
Aaaaaaaaand we're back.
 
2013-05-21 12:36:59 AM  
hopefully only us tho... not more twisters.
 
2013-05-21 12:38:00 AM  
I just woke up. Tornadoes, huh.
 
2013-05-21 12:38:51 AM  
Well... here we go again.
 
2013-05-21 12:38:58 AM  

Confabulat: I just woke up. Tornadoes, huh.


Good god y'all!

What are they good for?
 
2013-05-21 12:39:21 AM  
I heard on reddit that the tornado could be Ravi Trapathi?
 
2013-05-21 12:39:30 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: hopefully only us tho... not more twisters.

I feel the same way.
 
2013-05-21 12:39:45 AM  

Shadow Blasko: Confabulat: I just woke up. Tornadoes, huh.

Good god y'all!

What are they good for?


They'll remodel your house fairly efficiently.
 
2013-05-21 12:40:41 AM  
You know, I've never been involved in a tornado, but I have repeating nighmares about them.

Desperately trying to find shelter.  Head into an underground parking garage, only to discover that
  it's actually above-ground and directly exposed, that sort of thing.  Sigh.
 
2013-05-21 12:40:42 AM  
gwmusic.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-05-21 12:41:33 AM  

you are a puppet: I heard on reddit that the tornado could be Ravi Trapathi?


never listen to those cretins. No good comes from them.
 
2013-05-21 12:41:43 AM  

awalkingecho: Shadow Blasko: Confabulat: I just woke up. Tornadoes, huh.

Good god y'all!

What are they good for?

They'll remodel your house fairly efficiently.


well they will suck the paint off your house and give your family a permanent orange afro

/whenever I get a "hey" on my phone I know it isn't good
 
2013-05-21 12:42:16 AM  

patchvonbraun: You know, I've never been involved in a tornado, but I have repeating nighmares about them.

Desperately trying to find shelter.  Head into an underground parking garage, only to discover that
  it's actually above-ground and directly exposed, that sort of thing.  Sigh.


that's horrifying.
 
2013-05-21 12:43:23 AM  

patchvonbraun: You know, I've never been involved in a tornado, but I have repeating nighmares about them.

Desperately trying to find shelter.  Head into an underground parking garage, only to discover that
  it's actually above-ground and directly exposed, that sort of thing.  Sigh.


You may have ADHD.
 
2013-05-21 12:43:54 AM  
Mom lives in Edmond, dad lives in NW OKC. Both are okay. I was not expecting this storm to weaken as fast as it did, by the time it got to Stroud/Bristow it seemed to almost disintegrate.
 
2013-05-21 12:45:03 AM  
 
2013-05-21 12:45:31 AM  
Oh great, TWC just said to expect a 50% chance of seeing a tornado withing 25 miles of any particular spot along a pretty big swath of TX/AR/OK/LA - with DFW right in the meat of it. I guess I'll have to pay attention to the weather tomorrow.
 
2013-05-21 12:45:49 AM  
Unconfirmed update from the ME's office for Oklahoma that there are 51 confirmed dead and they are expecting 40 more with the majority believed to be children
 
2013-05-21 12:47:16 AM  
i can't imagine the balls of those newschopper pilots...
 
2013-05-21 12:48:08 AM  
The scale of the destruction just shuts down my mind. I have so many friends that literally were missed by a block or two of this. And we just found out a family friend lost everything. I don't really have anything else to contribute.
 
2013-05-21 12:48:35 AM  

FlyingJ: i can't imagine the balls of those newschopper pilots...


Interesting, on the weather podcast thing I watched earlier, they mentioned that the type of tornado you get in the plains states is different from what you get in the southeast... they said their pilots wouldn't be comfortable trying to go film in the plains states because of that.
 
2013-05-21 12:48:46 AM  

patchvonbraun: You know, I've never been involved in a tornado, but I have repeating nighmares about them.

Desperately trying to find shelter.  Head into an underground parking garage, only to discover that
  it's actually above-ground and directly exposed, that sort of thing.  Sigh.


I've lived in Tornado Alley all my life and I have only seen one tornado with my own eyes. It was when I was a kid. The tornado was far in the distance across some fields as we were driving home (we weren't concerned about it because the storm wasn't coming in our direction).

I've never had scary dreams about tornadoes. I should probably be a little more concerned than I am, though. My house is on a slab and it does not have any internal rooms with no exterior walls.  : (
 
2013-05-21 12:49:48 AM  

Heathen: awalkingecho: Shadow Blasko: Confabulat: I just woke up. Tornadoes, huh.

Good god y'all!

What are they good for?

They'll remodel your house fairly efficiently.

well they will suck the paint off your house and give your family a permanent orange afro

/whenever I get a "hey" on my phone I know it isn't good


Want to go out with a bang?

But for real... farking tornados...all my best to the victims
 
2013-05-21 12:50:30 AM  
Uncle works at Tinker so he arrived home pretty late, but his home is still standing. Thankfully he and his wife are the only two people I know who still live in Moore. (Why they still live in Moore after living through all the other tornadoes is a mystery to me.)

According to local news, they're already turning away volunteers and there are mile and a half long lines of cars of people trying to drop off donations. Policy-wise we're not always the most forward-thinking state, but we damn well know how to look after each other.
 
2013-05-21 12:50:45 AM  
Has President Obama made any kind of declaration/address yet?  I'm just lazy at this point, I'm still looking at that crazy hook echo gif of when it went through, I'll go search soon enough.
 
2013-05-21 12:51:03 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-21 12:51:22 AM  
Argh... Just went all Tolstoy in the Wildlife Rehab thread (that goes green at 1:15) and I think I need a break and a few shots of rum.

Gonna run my models for tomorrow and have a shot and I'll be back.
 
2013-05-21 12:51:28 AM  

patchvonbraun: You know, I've never been involved in a tornado, but I have repeating nighmares about them.

Desperately trying to find shelter.  Head into an underground parking garage, only to discover that
  it's actually above-ground and directly exposed, that sort of thing.  Sigh.


I've had a couple myself; I attribute it to having family in the midwest and visiting once or twice during the season/hearing the sirens.

On a related note, Indianapolis and surrounding counties are under a tornado watch now. Tagged all my facebook connections in the area... hopefully they were already taking precautions before the NWS upgraded it.
 
2013-05-21 12:52:24 AM  
Tiny earthquake hit too, but not even a hicup compared to the storm. But the small tremors are getting more frequent. Not even weekly. But it's still creepy.
 
2013-05-21 12:52:26 AM  
Fun fact: tornadoes in Australia spin in the opposite direction.
 
2013-05-21 12:52:38 AM  

Triumph: [i.imgur.com image 800x450]


Wow.
 
2013-05-21 12:53:27 AM  
Gonna post this again.  Some great footage of the beginning of the tornado in the Newcastle area.

https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=580914905273381
 
2013-05-21 12:54:28 AM  
Just got back online after all the craziness today.  It's been crazy here.  I spent all evening tracking down most of my friends, as a majority of them are in the Moore area.  Thankfully all are safe and sound.  This day just broke my heart.

Shattered by the death and destruction this storm wrought.
 
2013-05-21 12:54:29 AM  
My office mate's sister lives near OKC. Hoping she's well. (He was in Moore for the '99 tornado.)

Thoughts and good wishes to you folks in the area.

/helped with clean-up in Joplin
//took days to get all the fiberglass insulation off my skin
///it's a truly otherworldly thing to behold.
 
2013-05-21 12:54:32 AM  
I send mourning and hugz through the Internet.
 
2013-05-21 12:54:35 AM  

AlanSmithee: Fun fact: tornadoes in Australia spin in the opposite direction.


Fun fact, anti-cyclonic tornadoes happen in North America as well.
 
2013-05-21 12:54:48 AM  

SeekingSanity: patchvonbraun: You know, I've never been involved in a tornado, but I have repeating nighmares about them.

Desperately trying to find shelter.  Head into an underground parking garage, only to discover that
  it's actually above-ground and directly exposed, that sort of thing.  Sigh.

I've lived in Tornado Alley all my life and I have only seen one tornado with my own eyes. It was when I was a kid. The tornado was far in the distance across some fields as we were driving home (we weren't concerned about it because the storm wasn't coming in our direction).

I've never had scary dreams about tornadoes. I should probably be a little more concerned than I am, though. My house is on a slab and it does not have any internal rooms with no exterior walls.  : (


Yeah, it's weird the way dreams work.  I almost *never* dreamed about my wife while we were still
  married.   Now that we're not, a coupla nighmares a month involving her :)

We get smaller tornados here in the Ottawa valley every coupla years.  Never seen one myself.  We're fortunate in that most places have basements.  Mine is full of spiders--they'll just have to get the fark outta
the way if we get a tornado around here!  :)
 
2013-05-21 12:55:38 AM  

Joafu: Has President Obama made any kind of declaration/address yet?  I'm just lazy at this point, I'm still looking at that crazy hook echo gif of when it went through, I'll go search soon enough.


He has. Here it is
 
2013-05-21 12:55:51 AM  

Triumph: [i.imgur.com image 800x450]


Cool pic.
 
2013-05-21 12:56:28 AM  
(thank you mod...got the message) :)
 
2013-05-21 12:56:38 AM  
CNN ticker: Wife of meteorologist at CNN affiliate KOCO surveys damage: Neighborhood looks like a 'war zone'

/this is CNN
//Piers Morgan asking coroner to predict the number of bodies
 
2013-05-21 12:56:54 AM  

redheededstepchild: Tiny earthquake hit too, but not even a hicup compared to the storm. But the small tremors are getting more frequent. Not even weekly. But it's still creepy.


Aint no one f•cks with tiny earthquake.

Aint no one.
 
2013-05-21 12:56:55 AM  

Shadow Blasko: AlanSmithee: Fun fact: tornadoes in Australia spin in the opposite direction.

Fun fact, anti-cyclonic tornadoes happen in North America as well.


Really? I had no idea. Wow...
 
2013-05-21 12:58:30 AM  

Peacedog: Gonna post this again.  Some great footage of the beginning of the tornado in the Newcastle area.

https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=580914905273381


Anyone else see that white spec fly across left to right at 5:14?  That's WAY up in the air, and I doubt it's a bird.
 
2013-05-21 12:59:32 AM  

dumbandilikeit: (thank you mod...got the message) :)


Same here, I'll play nice, just a long sad day : (
 
2013-05-21 01:01:03 AM  

Joafu: Peacedog: Gonna post this again.  Some great footage of the beginning of the tornado in the Newcastle area.

https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=580914905273381

Anyone else see that white spec fly across left to right at 5:14?  That's WAY up in the air, and I doubt it's a bird.


I saw it.. It's probably some massive debris. I could see why you wanted to say a bird.
 
2013-05-21 01:01:39 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Shadow Blasko: AlanSmithee: Fun fact: tornadoes in Australia spin in the opposite direction.

Fun fact, anti-cyclonic tornadoes happen in North America as well.

Really? I had no idea. Wow...


Rare, but yep, they happen. Coriolis force tends to give hurricanes the spin directions you'd normally associate with the hemisphere "rule", but tornadoes occur on too small a scale to be affected much by it. Wind shear's the main factor there.
 
2013-05-21 01:03:08 AM  
I admit I'm a weather geek. I just got home and signed into my weather chat. We watched this little cell. Then BOOM. As a weather geek I have never seen a radar signature like that. And then to watch it via helicopter. Every local OK TV feed I watched issued the most dire warnings I've ever heard. Still really hard to see the damage and devastation. They had about 20-30mins of warnings, but not much you can do when faced with a storm of that size.

I am just dumbstruck at the level of damage. And my heart aches. While watching it unfold my heart was in a knot and goosebumps to beat all goosebumps. But not a darned thing I could do.

So I will donate to locally appropriate charities. Those that can make the most difference to the 10,000 plus that now have no homes. Please do the same.
 
2013-05-21 01:03:12 AM  

susansto-helit: Uncle works at Tinker so he arrived home pretty late, but his home is still standing. Thankfully he and his wife are the only two people I know who still live in Moore. (Why they still live in Moore after living through all the other tornadoes is a mystery to me.)

According to local news, they're already turning away volunteers and there are mile and a half long lines of cars of people trying to drop off donations. Policy-wise we're not always the most forward-thinking state, but we damn well know how to look after each other.


Sounds like Moore is a town that could benefit from shelter-raising parties or something.  They get hit so often it'd be worthwhile.
 
2013-05-21 01:04:35 AM  
 
2013-05-21 01:04:39 AM  

Joafu: Has President Obama made any kind of declaration/address yet?  I'm just lazy at this point, I'm still looking at that crazy hook echo gif of when it went through, I'll go search soon enough.


Emergency declaration. Sure he'll give a speech soon. This is still early yet. Most politicians aren't going to make a major speech until they get good knowledge on the extent of a catastrophic event.
 
2013-05-21 01:05:17 AM  
No chance. Video in the last seconds is astonishing.

http://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/2013/05/20/2344735/
 
2013-05-21 01:06:11 AM  

Olfin Bedwere: New York Times reporting 91 dead

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/21/us/tornado-oklahoma.html?_r=0

:(


CNN just also mentioned in the 90's as far as it looks.
 
2013-05-21 01:06:18 AM  

muck4doo: Joafu: Has President Obama made any kind of declaration/address yet?  I'm just lazy at this point, I'm still looking at that crazy hook echo gif of when it went through, I'll go search soon enough.

Emergency declaration. Sure he'll give a speech soon. This is still early yet. Most politicians aren't going to make a major speech until they get good knowledge on the extent of a catastrophic event.


Obama already called the OK gov and pledged any and all support needed.  Hours ago.
 
2013-05-21 01:06:22 AM  
http://livewire.koco.com/Event/Live_Wire_Tracking_Oklahoma_storms_May _ 18 Live feed of KOCO. They are now reporting that they are adding the 40 expected dead to the official death toll. So now it stands at 91. Holy freaking god. :(
 
2013-05-21 01:06:30 AM  

ds_4815: tinfoil-hat maggie: Shadow Blasko: AlanSmithee: Fun fact: tornadoes in Australia spin in the opposite direction.

Fun fact, anti-cyclonic tornadoes happen in North America as well.

Really? I had no idea. Wow...

Rare, but yep, they happen. Coriolis force tends to give hurricanes the spin directions you'd normally associate with the hemisphere "rule", but tornadoes occur on too small a scale to be affected much by it. Wind shear's the main factor there.


Interesting, I did not know that. Although yea it's the wind shear that start's these kinds of storms spinning.
 
2013-05-21 01:10:18 AM  

dumbandilikeit: muck4doo: Joafu: Has President Obama made any kind of declaration/address yet?  I'm just lazy at this point, I'm still looking at that crazy hook echo gif of when it went through, I'll go search soon enough.

Emergency declaration. Sure he'll give a speech soon. This is still early yet. Most politicians aren't going to make a major speech until they get good knowledge on the extent of a catastrophic event.

Obama already called the OK gov and pledged any and all support needed.  Hours ago.


It's really all he can do right now till more information comes in. I expect tomorrow by this time he will have addressed the public with a speech about it. I don't know why anyone thinks politicians should shoot from the hip when tragedies like this occur.
 
2013-05-21 01:10:30 AM  
For those who watched it live...the helicopter pilot at the time had a home in the direct path.  It was surreal.
 
2013-05-21 01:10:31 AM  

7th Son of a 7th Son: http://livewire.koco.com/Event/Live_Wire_Tracking_Oklahoma_storms_May _ 18 Live feed of KOCO. They are now reporting that they are adding the 40 expected dead to the official death toll. So now it stands at 91. Holy freaking god. :(


Is that just OKC? OR all of May 20th?
 
2013-05-21 01:10:55 AM  
BBC BREAKING NEWS twitter =  Death toll after Oklahoma tornado rises to 91 -  Oklahoma City medical examiner's office

CNN BREAKING NEWS twitter Medical Examiner's Office told to expect about 40 more bodies
 
2013-05-21 01:11:07 AM  
Today in unfortunate product placement...

i39.tinypic.com

I'm visiting a friend in Dallas in a few days. and while it's an entirely different magnitude of stuff, this scared me quite a bit. Same "checking the weather-radar every 2 minutes sort of thing." She was ready to bed down in the bathtub once she realized that the sirens had been going on for half an hour and it wasn't a regular North Dallas sort of thing.

I grew up right across from a Nike Missile base and have this cold-war terror built in as regards sirens. I lived through the unreality of that. I've experienced little earthquakes here on the east coast, I've experienced one big earthquake in Asia, I've lived through hurricanes that got their names retired.

I hope I never see a storm like that.
 
2013-05-21 01:11:13 AM  

muck4doo: Olfin Bedwere: New York Times reporting 91 dead

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/21/us/tornado-oklahoma.html?_r=0

:(

CNN just also mentioned in the 90's as far as it looks.


I'm feeling a bit like I did on 9/11 and the day of the London Tube attacks, but worse in a way because you can't stop a tornado... just get out of the way :*(
 
2013-05-21 01:13:05 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: 7th Son of a 7th Son: http://livewire.koco.com/Event/Live_Wire_Tracking_Oklahoma_storms_May _ 18 Live feed of KOCO. They are now reporting that they are adding the 40 expected dead to the official death toll. So now it stands at 91. Holy freaking god. :(

Is that just OKC? OR all of May 20th?


As reported by the oklahom ME so probably just oklahoma
 
2013-05-21 01:13:30 AM  

thisisyourbrainonFark: CNN ticker: Wife of meteorologist at CNN affiliate KOCO surveys damage: Neighborhood looks like a 'war zone'

/this is CNN
//Piers Morgan asking coroner to predict the number of bodies


Piers Morgan needs a one way trip to Mars without a spacesuit.
 
2013-05-21 01:13:53 AM  

ummhima2: Uchiha_Cycliste: 7th Son of a 7th Son: http://livewire.koco.com/Event/Live_Wire_Tracking_Oklahoma_storms_May _ 18 Live feed of KOCO. They are now reporting that they are adding the 40 expected dead to the official death toll. So now it stands at 91. Holy freaking god. :(

Is that just OKC? OR all of May 20th?

As reported by the oklahom ME so probably just oklahoma


Christ. This was a really bad super cell.
 
2013-05-21 01:14:11 AM  

maxheck: Today in unfortunate product placement...


*snerk*

We've got a deal with Sailor Jerry at work, so I'm okay with this.
 
2013-05-21 01:14:14 AM  
i1170.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-21 01:14:28 AM  

dumbandilikeit: They had about 20-30mins of warnings, but not much you can do when faced with a storm of that size.


Obvious questions will be whether Plaza Towers and other buildings had underground storm shelters and whether building codes mandate them. Assume they will be now. But if the storm hit as quick as you say, mandatory shelters don't mean jack if you can't get to them.
As another farker said, some of these suburbs look like Dresden times 10.
 
2013-05-21 01:14:42 AM  

Ryker's Peninsula: susansto-helit: Uncle works at Tinker so he arrived home pretty late, but his home is still standing. Thankfully he and his wife are the only two people I know who still live in Moore. (Why they still live in Moore after living through all the other tornadoes is a mystery to me.)

According to local news, they're already turning away volunteers and there are mile and a half long lines of cars of people trying to drop off donations. Policy-wise we're not always the most forward-thinking state, but we damn well know how to look after each other.

I guess if you define "looking after each other" as "getting in the way of emergency responders" you're spot on.  But, hey, all kidding aside, your state has a really decent college football program for one school and... the old Supersonics, I guess, and that musical.  O.K.?  You got the "not always the most forward thinking state" part right though.


Actually the volunteers are arriving at pre-approved locations for volunteers and the donations are going to pre-approved donation drop off points. We actually listen to our newscasters. ;)
 
2013-05-21 01:15:34 AM  
Off to bed.  I just remember the KFOR met saying DEATH DEATH DEATH.  He was not kidding.  Glad he used those words.  Hopefully when dawn comes there will be no more. (I know I kid myself)

Shiat.
 
2013-05-21 01:16:07 AM  
I was just checking to see what the warnings/watches were for my area, and as I was reading the NWS statement, I realized that I was reading it in that computerized voice you hear on the radio whenever something happens. It's kinda creepy.
 
2013-05-21 01:17:11 AM  

FunkOut: thisisyourbrainonFark: CNN ticker: Wife of meteorologist at CNN affiliate KOCO surveys damage: Neighborhood looks like a 'war zone'

/this is CNN
//Piers Morgan asking coroner to predict the number of bodies

Piers Morgan needs a one way trip to Mars without a spacesuit.


Well that goes without saying and I don't even care what he just said.
 
2013-05-21 01:17:46 AM  
thread needs a badge
 
2013-05-21 01:18:12 AM  

mikaloyd: thread needs a badge


No it doesn't.
 
2013-05-21 01:18:32 AM  
I'd also like to add - I'm a father of a daughter in 2nd grade. Last year she had to shelter in place in her school during the April 2012 outbreak and tornado in Arlington,Tx which passed within about 3/4 mile from her school - not to mention heading DIRECTLY for the school her mom works at and her grandfather's house though it died shortly before it hit them.

Frankly, that was nerve-wracking enough. I can't even fathom what these parents are going through seeing  pictures of their kids' school flattened and having to sit and wait for some word as to whether or not their child has survived. I would be an absolute emotional wreck. :(
 
2013-05-21 01:19:31 AM  
just want to say... With a bit of relief, that there are no active tornado warnings as of right now.

*everyone take a deep breath... but keep your guard up*
 
2013-05-21 01:19:48 AM  
It was about two years a tornado warning went directly over my 4 block or so small patch of neighborhood in Austin. I went outside to see if I saw anything develop, thinking there was plenty of time to get inside to a safe place if anything did. I saw a lot of high winds, but no tornado. Never being that dumb again after seeing this.
 
2013-05-21 01:20:25 AM  

Cytokine Storm: mikaloyd: thread needs a badge

No it doesn't.


might could use one
 
2013-05-21 01:20:57 AM  

dumbandilikeit: Off to bed.  I just remember the KFOR met saying DEATH DEATH DEATH.  He was not kidding.  Glad he used those words.  Hopefully when dawn comes there will be no more. (I know I kid myself)

Shiat.


It was a bad day, but the reality is it could have been much worse. Hopefully in the future it will be better during these things.
: (
 
2013-05-21 01:20:57 AM  
I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you ...
 
2013-05-21 01:21:01 AM  

Cytokine Storm: mikaloyd: thread needs a badge

No it doesn't.


Agreed.
 
2013-05-21 01:21:35 AM  
i.imgur.com

Not really gory, but there is some blood. If it's too much for a mod someone else can convert it to link. I'd understand.

Things can get crazy fast. Everyone should take a moment to appreciate the relative order in their lives. And of course help if you can. So many people will need it in the coming weeks.
 
2013-05-21 01:21:36 AM  
We simply cannot always be prepared for every eventuality. Sometimes we have to pick our priorities - as households, cities and counties - to do the best we can within our means every day.

No matter what we do, disasters will happen and our hearts will hurt as they do today. But then neighbor stands by neighbor and helps to lift the beam, offer the shoulder and blanket, cry together and begin again.

Simple, basic values - true hearts and steadfast people - working with the grime rolling down their faces in the rivulets of their tears. There is no blame to lay now, just work to be done and grieving hearts to comfort.

Thank you, those who share what you can, even if it is just solidarity of good thoughts and empathy.
 
2013-05-21 01:21:46 AM  

ladyfortuna: I'm feeling a bit like I did on 9/11


abcnews.go.com
Yep.
 
2013-05-21 01:22:08 AM  

Doubletwist-: I'd also like to add - I'm a father of a daughter in 2nd grade. Last year she had to shelter in place in her school during the April 2012 outbreak and tornado in Arlington,Tx which passed within about 3/4 mile from her school - not to mention heading DIRECTLY for the school her mom works at and her grandfather's house though it died shortly before it hit them.

Frankly, that was nerve-wracking enough. I can't even fathom what these parents are going through seeing  pictures of their kids' school flattened and having to sit and wait for some word as to whether or not their child has survived. I would be an absolute emotional wreck. :(


I can't think of a word to describe how awful a wait that is
 
2013-05-21 01:22:13 AM  

mikaloyd: Cytokine Storm: mikaloyd: thread needs a badge

No it doesn't.

might could use one


Sports, funny stories, epic TF discussions get Badges. Not stories like this.
 
2013-05-21 01:22:27 AM  
I live not far from Henyrville In, my grandfather lives there. The elementary school was destroyed, most of the town as well. It's not nearly as big, and they are just now getting rebuilt. I can only imagine how long this will take to get back going. My fiancee is pregnant with baby number three and had to go to bed early tonight. We had to shut the TV off :(
 
2013-05-21 01:23:29 AM  

muck4doo: mikaloyd: Cytokine Storm: mikaloyd: thread needs a badge

No it doesn't.

might could use one

Sports, funny stories, epic TF discussions get Badges. Not stories like this.


This thread needs warm cookies.
 
2013-05-21 01:24:05 AM  

Cytokine Storm: mikaloyd: thread needs a badge

No it doesn't.


This.
/No it doesn't and it's not something I would put in my profile
/It's just a tragic day, there have really been many like this day all over the country at times.
 
2013-05-21 01:24:22 AM  

Shadow Blasko: just want to say... With a bit of relief, that there are no active tornado warnings as of right now.

*everyone take a deep breath... but keep your guard up*


thank god!

\its an idiom expressing great relief.
 
2013-05-21 01:25:44 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: [i.imgur.com image 850x645]

Not really gory, but there is some blood. If it's too much for a mod someone else can convert it to link. I'd understand.

Things can get crazy fast. Everyone should take a moment to appreciate the relative order in their lives. And of course help if you can. So many people will need it in the coming weeks.


Actually, I'd like to use that picture as a good example for my daughter for why she should wear well-laced sneakers and not flip-flops, sandals or slip on shoes.
 
2013-05-21 01:25:56 AM  

Bippal: I live not far from Henyrville In, my grandfather lives there. The elementary school was destroyed, most of the town as well. It's not nearly as big, and they are just now getting rebuilt. I can only imagine how long this will take to get back going. My fiancee is pregnant with baby number three and had to go to bed early tonight. We had to shut the TV off :(


Not to stroll off topic, but it took three kids before you put a ring on it?
 
2013-05-21 01:26:15 AM  

maxheck: Today in unfortunate product placement...

[i39.tinypic.com image 800x154]


This is the juxtaposition that caught my eye, on BBC News:

foiani.home.dyndns.org
 
2013-05-21 01:28:52 AM  
Had a feeling someone might have posted that in the other thread, and of course they did. I think it's still probably the most heart wrenching thing i've seen in a long time, and epitomizes this event perfectly.
 
2013-05-21 01:30:05 AM  

italie: Bippal: I live not far from Henyrville In, my grandfather lives there. The elementary school was destroyed, most of the town as well. It's not nearly as big, and they are just now getting rebuilt. I can only imagine how long this will take to get back going. My fiancee is pregnant with baby number three and had to go to bed early tonight. We had to shut the TV off :(

Not to stroll off topic, but it took three kids before you put a ring on it?


Oh, how scandalous.
 
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2013-05-21 01:33:14 AM  

patchvonbraun: You know, I've never been involved in a tornado, but I have repeating nighmares about them.

Desperately trying to find shelter.  Head into an underground parking garage, only to discover that
  it's actually above-ground and directly exposed, that sort of thing.  Sigh.


Me too, although I am trying to find a way out of town, and there are twisters in every direction
 
2013-05-21 01:33:16 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: [i.imgur.com image 850x645]

Not really gory, but there is some blood. If it's too much for a mod someone else can convert it to link. I'd understand.

Things can get crazy fast. Everyone should take a moment to appreciate the relative order in their lives. And of course help if you can. So many people will need it in the coming weeks.


Just FYI, according to MSNBC those are not the parents of those kids, those are teachers from the school leading them out.
 
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2013-05-21 01:34:38 AM  
www.theepochtimes.com
 
2013-05-21 01:34:48 AM  
If you need a little cheering up, take 5 to watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvn-tBeLpCk">http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=pvn-tBeLpCk
 
2013-05-21 01:35:15 AM  
and I thought Joplin was bad...my god.
 
2013-05-21 01:35:38 AM  
I thought the headline said live updates/screaming
 
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2013-05-21 01:35:53 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: Had a feeling someone might have posted that in the other thread, and of course they did. I think it's still probably the most heart wrenching thing i've seen in a long time, and epitomizes this event perfectly.


It really is powerful. Shows the passion and strength teachers have towards their students. It's irrelevant right now, of course, but I want to get that lady a day at a spa or something-- she's obviously been through absolute hell. And who knows if she still has a home to go to.
 
2013-05-21 01:35:58 AM  

Triumph: J. Frank Parnell: [i.imgur.com image 850x645]

Not really gory, but there is some blood. If it's too much for a mod someone else can convert it to link. I'd understand.

Things can get crazy fast. Everyone should take a moment to appreciate the relative order in their lives. And of course help if you can. So many people will need it in the coming weeks.

Just FYI, according to MSNBC those are not the parents of those kids, those are teachers from the school leading them out.


Kudos if they are teachers, but I'm going to call shenanigans based upon the attire.
 
2013-05-21 01:36:49 AM  
Luckily Nancy Grance is talking about the Arias case.
 
2013-05-21 01:37:06 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: [i.imgur.com image 850x645]

Not really gory, but there is some blood. If it's too much for a mod someone else can convert it to link. I'd understand.

Things can get crazy fast. Everyone should take a moment to appreciate the relative order in their lives. And of course help if you can. So many people will need it in the coming weeks.


Those poor people just look stunned. They're in sensory overload and pure survival mode. I can't imagine how devastating that is.
 
2013-05-21 01:38:06 AM  

DubtodaIll: I thought the headline said live updates/screaming


http://kfor.com/on-air/live-streaming/
 
2013-05-21 01:38:19 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: FunkOut: thisisyourbrainonFark: CNN ticker: Wife of meteorologist at CNN affiliate KOCO surveys damage: Neighborhood looks like a 'war zone'

/this is CNN
//Piers Morgan asking coroner to predict the number of bodies

Piers Morgan needs a one way trip to Mars without a spacesuit.

Well that goes without saying and I don't even care what he just said.


I'll drink to that. Heck, I'll even chip in for the rocket to send him there.
 
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Warm booze cookies?
 
2013-05-21 01:41:41 AM  
Alright who forgot to click disable disasters?
 
2013-05-21 01:44:21 AM  

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2013-05-21 01:45:25 AM  

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Wat?
 
2013-05-21 01:46:05 AM  

thisisyourbrainonFark: [www.theepochtimes.com image 512x287]


My brain is having a hard time conceiving that as real.

/unreal
 
2013-05-21 01:48:39 AM  
http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_3_0780.html

There is a no fly zone over the damage area. According to my friend who works for the weather service in the area, the news helicopters were drowning out victims cries for help.
 
2013-05-21 01:48:57 AM  

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OMG, want...
 
2013-05-21 01:50:59 AM  

skinbubble: thisisyourbrainonFark: [www.theepochtimes.com image 512x287]

My brain is having a hard time conceiving that as real.

/unreal


Agreed. Photo credit was KFOR-TV. Seen it on other news sites.

i.i.com.com
 
2013-05-21 01:51:04 AM  

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OMG, want...


you thought I was kidding, didn't ya?
 
2013-05-21 01:51:39 AM  

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Wat?


Sorry, couldn't find a bottle that said Vodak, like it should.
 
2013-05-21 01:51:44 AM  
Guys, at this point, please contact your local red cross chapter and see if there is anything you can do.

If you can give, do so.
 
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And kittens.


i28.photobucket.com

Caturday came early for this little one.



Doesn't make up for everything else, but it's something.
 
2013-05-21 01:53:14 AM  

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OMG, want...


That stuff just sounds like the worst vomit waiting to happen invented by humans since the advent of Rumple Minze.
 
2013-05-21 01:53:22 AM  

phoenix352: http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_3_0780.html

There is a no fly zone over the damage area. According to my friend who works for the weather service in the area, the news helicopters were drowning out victims cries for help.


Yes actually the news copters had live coverage of a police helicopter right over the area and by right over I mean 50 feet. The coverage I saw the news helicopters respected the no fly zone. Don't know for sure today was information overload for sure.
 
2013-05-21 01:53:45 AM  

thisisyourbrainonFark: skinbubble: thisisyourbrainonFark: [www.theepochtimes.com image 512x287]

My brain is having a hard time conceiving that as real.

/unreal

Agreed. Photo credit was KFOR-TV. Seen it on other news sites.

[i.i.com.com image 480x360]


I just got to work... as i live in a country that does not have such natural disasters i cannot really comprehend this . :(
Be safe out the OK - people.
I
 
2013-05-21 01:54:22 AM  
Does anyone know any S. OK lakes to float in and just be?
 
2013-05-21 01:54:26 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: you thought I was kidding, didn't ya?


Why yes I did, still want.
 
2013-05-21 01:54:48 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Yes actually the news copters had live coverage of a police helicopter right over the area and by right over I mean 50 feet. The coverage I saw the news helicopters respected the no fly zone. Don't know for sure today was information overload for sure.


My guess is that the police helicopter was either transporting a patient, or using FLIR equipment to look for survivors.

Lifeguard-status aircraft can violate a NFZ like that.
 
2013-05-21 01:55:21 AM  
 
2013-05-21 01:56:24 AM  

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OMG, want...

That stuff just sounds like the worst vomit waiting to happen invented by humans since the advent of Rumple Minze.


OMG .. as I was reading your post I was thinking .. Yep .. except Rumpleminz.. And then I got to the end and laughed my ass off.

Rumpleminz... Drink till you puke (which wont take long) and still have minty fresh breath!
 
2013-05-21 01:56:45 AM  

italie: Kudos if they are teachers, but I'm going to call shenanigans based upon the attire.


It wouldn't be the first time MSNBC was dead wrong.
 
2013-05-21 01:57:06 AM  

hardinparamedic: tinfoil-hat maggie: Yes actually the news copters had live coverage of a police helicopter right over the area and by right over I mean 50 feet. The coverage I saw the news helicopters respected the no fly zone. Don't know for sure today was information overload for sure.

My guess is that the police helicopter was either transporting a patient, or using FLIR equipment to look for survivors.

Lifeguard-status aircraft can violate a NFZ like that.


Probably a good guess, I'm thinking it wasn't there without reason.
 
2013-05-21 02:01:32 AM  
The thing that get my attention is all the water. I know that sounds strange but i live in the desert where there hasn't been a hurricane or a tornado or a tsunami in literally millions of years. I sometimes forget that I live on a world that is 70% water. Everybody else is looking at all the destruction and I sit here thinking, "day-um. Where did all the water come from?"
 
2013-05-21 02:01:57 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Uchiha_Cycliste: you thought I was kidding, didn't ya?

Why yes I did, still want.


can you buy liquor through the internets?
 
2013-05-21 02:02:09 AM  

Shadow Blasko: OMG .. as I was reading your post I was thinking .. Yep .. except Rumpleminz.. And then I got to the end and laughed my ass off.

Rumpleminz... Drink till you puke (which wont take long) and still have minty fresh breath!


Seriously. My buddies bathroom would smell wonderful the next day.
 
2013-05-21 02:02:17 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: 7th Son of a 7th Son: http://livewire.koco.com/Event/Live_Wire_Tracking_Oklahoma_storms_May _ 18 Live feed of KOCO. They are now reporting that they are adding the 40 expected dead to the official death toll. So now it stands at 91. Holy freaking god. :(

Is that just OKC? OR all of May 20th?


I did wonder that as well.
 
2013-05-21 02:03:29 AM  
Looks like 91 from this specific twister.
 
2013-05-21 02:05:15 AM  

FlyingBacon: Uchiha_Cycliste: 7th Son of a 7th Son: http://livewire.koco.com/Event/Live_Wire_Tracking_Oklahoma_storms_May _ 18 Live feed of KOCO. They are now reporting that they are adding the 40 expected dead to the official death toll. So now it stands at 91. Holy freaking god. :(

Is that just OKC? OR all of May 20th?

I did wonder that as well.


Numbers according to OK ME so probably only OK
 
2013-05-21 02:05:59 AM  

7th Son of a 7th Son: Looks like 91 from this specific twister.


It might be 200 by the time all is said and done
 
2013-05-21 02:06:45 AM  
www.spc.noaa.gov
So... Who's sleeping in tomorrow? No one!
 
2013-05-21 02:09:01 AM  
Anyone want some more good news?

Looks like the line is starting to collapse! Big gust front starting to form out front of the line.


Goodbye CAPE
 
2013-05-21 02:09:55 AM  
I have a FB friend who works at Walgreens corporate office doing weather data mapping for them. I mentioned that he should pull up the data on store 9375 (in Moore on 19th St. just south of the tornado's path). He said that by looking at the path of the tornado, he's pretty sure it got destroyed.

/he also has access to the security cam footage, which is probably pretty intense
//I was curious to know what the last anemometer readings were before they went off to Branson
 
2013-05-21 02:10:11 AM  
There https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/933915_544629 792266153_1555656024_n.png

If you wanna see teh gust front, you will have to do it manually.
 
2013-05-21 02:12:21 AM  

Shadow Blasko: There https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/933915_544629 792266153_1555656024_n.png

If you wanna see teh gust front, you will have to do it manually.


Invalid Request...
 
2013-05-21 02:12:31 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: tinfoil-hat maggie: Uchiha_Cycliste: you thought I was kidding, didn't ya?

Why yes I did, still want.

can you buy liquor through the internets?


damn right you can.

/it was the first suggestion from google by entering "buy li"
 
2013-05-21 02:13:28 AM  

thisisyourbrainonFark: dumbandilikeit: They had about 20-30mins of warnings, but not much you can do when faced with a storm of that size.

Obvious questions will be whether Plaza Towers and other buildings had underground storm shelters and whether building codes mandate them. Assume they will be now. But if the storm hit as quick as you say, mandatory shelters don't mean jack if you can't get to them.
As another farker said, some of these suburbs look like Dresden times 10.


You got that right... a storm shelter will only work if you can get inside and the door locked on time. With a large group, you may not get everybody inside on time. Something to think about.  If they do storm shelters drills many time a year, it would work better. That not counting those cheap neighbors that are trying to use the school shelters in a real emergency.  That would slow things down. It would be a mess.
 
2013-05-21 02:14:30 AM  
 
2013-05-21 02:15:01 AM  

Scorpinock: Shadow Blasko: There https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/933915_544629 792266153_1555656024_n.png

If you wanna see teh gust front, you will have to do it manually.

Invalid Request...


i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-21 02:17:46 AM  

Olfin Bedwere: 7th Son of a 7th Son: Looks like 91 from this specific twister.

It might be 200 by the time all is said and done


The TV warnings started about 40 minutes out. The sirens gave 16 minutes notice. The local TV guys did an amazing job of warning people that the only two options were to get below ground or flee. I can't imagine what the numbers would be like if this thing had hit at 3 a.m.
 
2013-05-21 02:18:56 AM  
Does anyone have the original text from the NWS tornado warning for Moore?  Just wondering how they phrased such a warning.
 
2013-05-21 02:20:06 AM  
Does anyone have the chopper video that is NOT time lapse?
 
2013-05-21 02:21:40 AM  

FlyingBacon: That not counting those cheap neighbors that are trying to use the school shelters in a real emergency.  That would slow things down. It would be a mess.


That made me simultaneously laugh and cringe and then, "It's a mess, ain't it, sheriff?"

sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net
 
2013-05-21 02:21:46 AM  

Shadow Blasko: That stuff just sounds like the worst vomit waiting to happen invented by humans since the advent of Rumple Minze.

OMG .. as I was reading your post I was thinking .. Yep .. except Rumpleminz.. And then I got to the end and laughed my ass off.

Rumpleminz... Drink till you puke (which wont take long) and still have minty fresh breath!


The weird thing is, good old Rumpleshiatzer doesn't make me ill at all (actually, it's pretty good mixed with 7-Up in my opinion)--really, there's only a few varieties of boozahol my body says "no" to, those being:

a) Anything with star anise--Jagermeister, absinthe, etc.  The one time I can say I got HIDEOUSLY violently ill when drinking, it involved Jagermeister...pretty much anise-infused alcohol can be used as a substitute for syrup of ipecac in my case.  (It's less the alcohol than the anise--I have a bit of a food sensitivity to the particular oil in anise that makes it taste like cheap black licorice.  Cheap faux "black licorice" jellybeans also make me heave, though ACTUAL licorice (made from actual licorice root) causes me no issue whatsoever.)

b) Very cheap reposado tequila....doesn't make me pukey, but makes me heartburny in uncomfy ways.   Cuervo is as low as I'll go in mixers...Sauza blue is about as bottom shelf as I normally go.  (That said--higher-end tequila not only doesn't bother me at all, but I tend to get a bit of a "lucid drunk" off better tequila, the same sort of happy that folks tend to describe with absinthe.  Which is good, seeing as absinthe would make me heave. :D  BTW, to whomever the Farker was who recommended Dos Lunas as a good tequila, thank you :D)

c) Possibly bad bottom-shelf bourbon could do it too, but fortunately in my years I have generally had the blessings of living with a higher class of drinker who never went below Jim Beam and did not often go below Maker's Mark or Buffalo Trace. :D  (Wild Turkey is usually my absolute limit, and that's after we've had a shot or two of the other stuff in the house.  And even then it's not BAD stuff.)

Now, I've had stuff I haven't liked, but nothing that's really made me puking ill other than Jagermeister (and nearly so the one time I tried absinthe, confirming that I don't do well with anise-based liqueurs; y'all can keep the Sambuca, thanks).
 
2013-05-21 02:21:50 AM  

Triumph: Olfin Bedwere: 7th Son of a 7th Son: Looks like 91 from this specific twister.

It might be 200 by the time all is said and done

The TV warnings started about 40 minutes out. The sirens gave 16 minutes notice. The local TV guys did an amazing job of warning people that the only two options were to get below ground or flee. I can't imagine what the numbers would be like if this thing had hit at 3 a.m.


And the warnings only work if people pay attention to them
 
2013-05-21 02:21:58 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: tinfoil-hat maggie: Uchiha_Cycliste: you thought I was kidding, didn't ya?

Why yes I did, still want.

can you buy liquor through the internets?


I do not know, can they have it here in 30 minutes or less?
/Sorry
 
2013-05-21 02:24:17 AM  

Shadow Blasko: Scorpinock: Shadow Blasko: There https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/933915_544629 792266153_1555656024_n.png

If you wanna see teh gust front, you will have to do it manually.

Invalid Request...

[i.imgur.com image 640x378]


That looks like a strong bow echo right there.
 
2013-05-21 02:24:34 AM  
Another good video. Maybe better on mute.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b9d_1369098943
 
2013-05-21 02:26:05 AM  

Triumph: Olfin Bedwere: 7th Son of a 7th Son: Looks like 91 from this specific twister.

It might be 200 by the time all is said and done

The TV warnings started about 40 minutes out. The sirens gave 16 minutes notice. The local TV guys did an amazing job of warning people that the only two options were to get below ground or flee. I can't imagine what the numbers would be like if this thing had hit at 3 a.m.


They told people YESTERDAY (talking about 19th) that this was going to be a day of killer tornadoes.


/mom lives(d) in Moore. Lost her house today :( But everybody is healthy :)
 
2013-05-21 02:26:21 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Shadow Blasko: Scorpinock: Shadow Blasko: There https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/933915_544629 792266153_1555656024_n.png

If you wanna see teh gust front, you will have to do it manually.

Invalid Request...

[i.imgur.com image 640x378]

That looks like a strong bow echo right there.


Look at the line in front of it.. separated from the main line.. Thats a gust front forming
 
2013-05-21 02:26:27 AM  

maxheck: Does anyone know any S. OK lakes to float in and just be?


Lake Eufaula?  The Red River between Texas and Oklahoma?
 
2013-05-21 02:26:33 AM  

germ78: Uchiha_Cycliste: tinfoil-hat maggie: Uchiha_Cycliste: you thought I was kidding, didn't ya?

Why yes I did, still want.

can you buy liquor through the internets?

damn right you can.

/it was the first suggestion from google by entering "buy li"


bullocks.. can only ship wine to Cali. BS. =(
 
2013-05-21 02:28:22 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Uchiha_Cycliste: tinfoil-hat maggie: Uchiha_Cycliste: you thought I was kidding, didn't ya?

Why yes I did, still want.

can you buy liquor through the internets?

I do not know, can they have it here in 30 minutes or less?
/Sorry


http://www.liquormart.com/shipping/
 
2013-05-21 02:28:45 AM  
 
2013-05-21 02:29:12 AM  

nukeim: Triumph: Olfin Bedwere: 7th Son of a 7th Son: Looks like 91 from this specific twister.

It might be 200 by the time all is said and done

The TV warnings started about 40 minutes out. The sirens gave 16 minutes notice. The local TV guys did an amazing job of warning people that the only two options were to get below ground or flee. I can't imagine what the numbers would be like if this thing had hit at 3 a.m.

They told people YESTERDAY (talking about 19th) that this was going to be a day of killer tornadoes.


/mom lives(d) in Moore. Lost her house today :( But everybody is healthy :)


Good to here she's safe, insurance can take care of the rest.
/And yea lot's of warning people didn't used to get back in the day
 
2013-05-21 02:32:40 AM  

Shadow Blasko: tinfoil-hat maggie: Shadow Blasko: Scorpinock: Shadow Blasko: There https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/933915_544629 792266153_1555656024_n.png

If you wanna see teh gust front, you will have to do it manually.

Invalid Request...

[i.imgur.com image 640x378]

That looks like a strong bow echo right there.

Look at the line in front of it.. separated from the main line.. Thats a gust front forming


Took another look, I see what you mean but the curve on that gust front denotes very high straight line winds possible.
 
2013-05-21 02:35:47 AM  

rackrent: Does anyone have the original text from the NWS tornado warning for Moore?  Just wondering how they phrased such a warning.


Found it here for the Moore tornado--it was already a declared tornado emergency at that point.  Here is the followup severe weather statement (emphasizing that this was a tornado emergency, which frankly may be the understatement of the year--which is saying something seeing as the Norman WFO INVENTED the whole concept of the "tornado emergency" as "SRSLY, GET IN THE BASEMENT NAO" warning-plus the LAST time Moore, OK got slammed).

The second severe weather statement is remarkably understated in comparison, the third severe weather statement is another reminder this is TORNADO EMERGENCY SRS BUSINESS, a fourth severe weather statement noting Tornado Emergency was issued ten minutes after, and then finally a (remarkably understated) severe weather statement was issued as the storm moved toward Meeker.

/took some digging on this--suffice it to say that the Norman, OK WFO had a no-good, very bad, very busy day today
 
2013-05-21 02:38:55 AM  
 
2013-05-21 02:43:51 AM  
Jesus. I guess that is what happens when you build plywood suburbs in a part of the world named Tornado Alley.

Would brick/poured concrete fare better? Or would they just give the storm heavier shrapnel?
 
2013-05-21 02:43:52 AM  
 
2013-05-21 02:44:07 AM  

Peacedog: Gonna post this again.  Some great footage of the beginning of the tornado in the Newcastle area.

https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=580914905273381


This was a good video.  Those guys really know their area.  Thanks for sharing that.
 
2013-05-21 02:44:36 AM  

italie: Bippal: I live not far from Henyrville In, my grandfather lives there. The elementary school was destroyed, most of the town as well. It's not nearly as big, and they are just now getting rebuilt. I can only imagine how long this will take to get back going. My fiancee is pregnant with baby number three and had to go to bed early tonight. We had to shut the TV off :(

Not to stroll off topic, but it took three kids before you put a ring on it?


No, she had two before we met, but I've raised them since they were little, and I've been married before myself. She's pregnant with mine now. We both left cheaters.
 
2013-05-21 02:44:39 AM  

Great Porn Dragon: rackrent: Does anyone have the original text from the NWS tornado warning for Moore?  Just wondering how they phrased such a warning.

Found it here for the Moore tornado--it was already a declared tornado emergency at that point.  Here is the followup severe weather statement (emphasizing that this was a tornado emergency, which frankly may be the understatement of the year--which is saying something seeing as the Norman WFO INVENTED the whole concept of the "tornado emergency" as "SRSLY, GET IN THE BASEMENT NAO" warning-plus the LAST time Moore, OK got slammed).

The second severe weather statement is remarkably understated in comparison, the third severe weather statement is another reminder this is TORNADO EMERGENCY SRS BUSINESS, a fourth severe weather statement noting Tornado Emergency was issued ten minutes after, and then finally a (remarkably understated) severe weather statement was issued as the storm moved toward Meeker.

/took some digging on this--suffice it to say that the Norman, OK WFO had a no-good, very bad, very busy day today


Can I just tell you that you are the man?  It's a bit eerie reading all of those warnings just now.  While a very bad and very busy day for the NWS, they clearly did their job.  Thanks again.
 
2013-05-21 02:45:47 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: nukeim: Triumph: Olfin Bedwere: 7th Son of a 7th Son: Looks like 91 from this specific twister.

It might be 200 by the time all is said and done

The TV warnings started about 40 minutes out. The sirens gave 16 minutes notice. The local TV guys did an amazing job of warning people that the only two options were to get below ground or flee. I can't imagine what the numbers would be like if this thing had hit at 3 a.m.

They told people YESTERDAY (talking about 19th) that this was going to be a day of killer tornadoes.


/mom lives(d) in Moore. Lost her house today :( But everybody is healthy :)

Good to here she's safe, insurance can take care of the rest.
/And yea lot's of warning people didn't used to get back in the day


Yup.  I mean...We had go-bags for the kids by the back door, I stocked the storm shelter with water, chairs, LED lanterns, etc...We also had a plan for how to do things if it hit the fan. It did, plan was enacted...And VOILA! No tornado at my house. Just baseball sized hail.

But my wife is paranoid, and is a list-maker and a level VII planner...Most people? Not so much.

I'm just agog that Moore got hit AGAIN. I grew up there, and both of the houses I grew up in are now gone. I feel so bad for the kids...That had to be absolutely terrifying. :(
 
2013-05-21 02:47:08 AM  

Teknowaffle: Jesus. I guess that is what happens when you build plywood suburbs in a part of the world named Tornado Alley.

Would brick/poured concrete fare better? Or would they just give the storm heavier shrapnel?


Most houses here ARE brick on concrete slab.
 
2013-05-21 02:50:51 AM  

rackrent: Great Porn Dragon: rackrent: Does anyone have the original text from the NWS tornado warning for Moore?  Just wondering how they phrased such a warning.

Found it here for the Moore tornado--it was already a declared tornado emergency at that point.  Here is the followup severe weather statement (emphasizing that this was a tornado emergency, which frankly may be the understatement of the year--which is saying something seeing as the Norman WFO INVENTED the whole concept of the "tornado emergency" as "SRSLY, GET IN THE BASEMENT NAO" warning-plus the LAST time Moore, OK got slammed).

The second severe weather statement is remarkably understated in comparison, the third severe weather statement is another reminder this is TORNADO EMERGENCY SRS BUSINESS, a fourth severe weather statement noting Tornado Emergency was issued ten minutes after, and then finally a (remarkably understated) severe weather statement was issued as the storm moved toward Meeker.

/took some digging on this--suffice it to say that the Norman, OK WFO had a no-good, very bad, very busy day today

Can I just tell you that you are the man?  It's a bit eerie reading all of those warnings just now.  While a very bad and very busy day for the NWS, they clearly did their job.  Thanks again.


Oh great and mighty porn dragon can you fins the track timeline for moving east looking for virginia and gainesville georgia
 
2013-05-21 02:51:55 AM  
assets.nydailynews.com
 
2013-05-21 02:53:51 AM  

nukeim: tinfoil-hat maggie: nukeim: Triumph: Olfin Bedwere: 7th Son of a 7th Son: Looks like 91 from this specific twister.

It might be 200 by the time all is said and done

The TV warnings started about 40 minutes out. The sirens gave 16 minutes notice. The local TV guys did an amazing job of warning people that the only two options were to get below ground or flee. I can't imagine what the numbers would be like if this thing had hit at 3 a.m.

They told people YESTERDAY (talking about 19th) that this was going to be a day of killer tornadoes.


/mom lives(d) in Moore. Lost her house today :( But everybody is healthy :)

Good to here she's safe, insurance can take care of the rest.
/And yea lot's of warning people didn't used to get back in the day

Yup.  I mean...We had go-bags for the kids by the back door, I stocked the storm shelter with water, chairs, LED lanterns, etc...We also had a plan for how to do things if it hit the fan. It did, plan was enacted...And VOILA! No tornado at my house. Just baseball sized hail.

But my wife is paranoid, and is a list-maker and a level VII planner...Most people? Not so much.

I'm just agog that Moore got hit AGAIN. I grew up there, and both of the houses I grew up in are now gone. I feel so bad for the kids...That had to be absolutely terrifying. :(


Baseball sized hail sounds pretty bad to me. And you're wife sounds smart, making a plan after it starts doesn't work so well. Glad you and you'res are safe, after today any bit of good news is welcome.
/Oh and well tornado tracks often sorta repeat, it's sad but it happens.
 
2013-05-21 02:53:53 AM  

nukeim: Teknowaffle: 

Would brick/poured concrete fare better? Or would they just give the storm heavier shrapnel?

Most houses here ARE brick on concrete slab.



They are indeed.

My sister lives outside Norman on a brick+slab house, which is the construction of choice for Oklahoma (in my experience).  Sister still opted to construct an in-ground storm cellar, which is where they waited out storms yesterday and today.  Both days she had to herd her husband and kid into the cellar, as well as a cat, a dog, several chickens and some ducks.
 
2013-05-21 03:00:31 AM  

Great Porn Dragon: rackrent: Does anyone have the original text from the NWS tornado warning for Moore?  Just wondering how they phrased such a warning.

Found it here for the Moore tornado--it was already a declared tornado emergency at that point.  Here is the followup severe weather statement (emphasizing that this was a tornado emergency, which frankly may be the understatement of the year--which is saying something seeing as the Norman WFO INVENTED the whole concept of the "tornado emergency" as "SRSLY, GET IN THE BASEMENT NAO" warning-plus the LAST time Moore, OK got slammed).

The second severe weather statement is remarkably understated in comparison, the third severe weather statement is another reminder this is TORNADO EMERGENCY SRS BUSINESS, a fourth severe weather statement noting Tornado Emergency was issued ten minutes after, and then finally a (remarkably understated) severe weather statement was issued as the storm moved toward Meeker.

/took some digging on this--suffice it to say that the Norman, OK WFO had a no-good, very bad, very busy day today


Pretty much this.  Also, tornado warnings are fairly generic in terms of these devastating storms.  You really have no idea how bad a tornado is until its bearing down on top of you ( ie: you're screwed), or has already passed.  Most tornado warnings just state that there is a tornado warning for "X" county(ies) expiring at "X" time, and will repeat if necessary.  They might give a general direction that the tornado is moving, but that's about it.  You can't really predict where, when, or how hard these things are going to hit.  It's mostly in terms of generalities (5-25 mile wide paths sometimes stretching as far out as 40 miles in front of the storm with the path widening as it stretches out) as tornadoes move very fast, can change directions very quickly, and can fall apart as quickly as they spin up.  You can really never know how long they will stay on the ground either, there's no clear indicator for how long these things stay on the ground, or if they will even touchdown sometimes.  I've seen huge ones never even hit the ground that could've easily done some extensive damage, and then are gone within seconds.  Basically you really never know how bad these things are until it's over.
 
2013-05-21 03:01:58 AM  
Cinder block is no match for 200 mph debris. Here is what 35 mph does with a 2x4. Now imagine an entire neighborhood's 2x4's, trucks, trees, poles, vans, cars..... Hitting your structure.

Cinderblock near mid video
 
2013-05-21 03:03:21 AM  

FizixJunkee: Both days she had to herd her husband and kid into the cellar, as well as a cat, a dog, several chickens and some ducks.


That sounds like a hell of a storm party.
 
2013-05-21 03:05:01 AM  

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: J. Frank Parnell: Had a feeling someone might have posted that in the other thread, and of course they did. I think it's still probably the most heart wrenching thing i've seen in a long time, and epitomizes this event perfectly.

It really is powerful. Shows the passion and strength teachers have towards their students. It's irrelevant right now, of course, but I want to get that lady a day at a spa or something-- she's obviously been through absolute hell. And who knows if she still has a home to go to.


I've been watching the hockey playoffs.  She looks like she's taken a puck or stick to the face.  I wouldn't be surprised if her nose or cheekbone was broken.  Those two teachers are good people.
 
2013-05-21 03:05:39 AM  

nukeim: Teknowaffle: Jesus. I guess that is what happens when you build plywood suburbs in a part of the world named Tornado Alley.

Would brick/poured concrete fare better? Or would they just give the storm heavier shrapnel?

Most houses here ARE brick on concrete slab.


But its still the traditional stick built house, isnt it?  What are the rafters and roof made of, under those shingles?

http://www.monolithic.com/   If I could, thats who I'd use to make my house..
 
2013-05-21 03:05:53 AM  
Radar indicated tornado on the ground, hendricks county Indiana... headed towards (I can't believe I have to type this) THE SPEEDWAY.
 
2013-05-21 03:06:07 AM  

thisisyourbrainonFark: No chance. Video in the last seconds is astonishing.

http://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/2013/05/20/2344735/


My laptop fan kicked in just at the end of that and I freaked out.
 
2013-05-21 03:06:37 AM  
If I were living in Moore Oklahoma at the start of 2027, I'd seriously think of leaving before May. Speaking for others, however...although I had some great friends and colleagues in Norman, I'd never go back to OK.
 
2013-05-21 03:09:46 AM  

Great Porn Dragon: rackrent: Does anyone have the original text from the NWS tornado warning for Moore?  Just wondering how they phrased such a warning.

Found it here for the Moore tornado--it was already a declared tornado emergency at that point.  Here is the followup severe weather statement (emphasizing that this was a tornado emergency, which frankly may be the understatement of the year--which is saying something seeing as the Norman WFO INVENTED the whole concept of the "tornado emergency" as "SRSLY, GET IN THE BASEMENT NAO" warning-plus the LAST time Moore, OK got slammed).

The second severe weather statement is remarkably understated in comparison, the third severe weather statement is another reminder this is TORNADO EMERGENCY SRS BUSINESS, a fourth severe weather statement noting Tornado Emergency was issued ten minutes after, and then finally a (remarkably understated) severe weather statement was issued as the storm moved toward Meeker.

/took some digging on this--suffice it to say that the Norman, OK WFO had a no-good, very bad, very busy day today


Remember what we talked about last night .. about a tornado hitting a major sporting event with hundreds of people in campers or tents?
 
2013-05-21 03:12:19 AM  

elffster: nukeim: Teknowaffle: Jesus. I guess that is what happens when you build plywood suburbs in a part of the world named Tornado Alley.

Would brick/poured concrete fare better? Or would they just give the storm heavier shrapnel?

Most houses here ARE brick on concrete slab.

But its still the traditional stick built house, isnt it?  What are the rafters and roof made of, under those shingles?

http://www.monolithic.com/   If I could, thats who I'd use to make my house..


Real estate is generally around $100 a sq. ft for a nice, new(er) house in this area. If you double that, you could make a fairly tough tornado resistant house...But as was said above...Throw 427 2x4's moving 150mph along with an F250 and a Dodge Neon...No house is going to hold up.
 
2013-05-21 03:16:50 AM  

Shadow Blasko: Great Porn Dragon: rackrent: Does anyone have the original text from the NWS tornado warning for Moore?  Just wondering how they phrased such a warning.

Found it here for the Moore tornado--it was already a declared tornado emergency at that point.  Here is the followup severe weather statement (emphasizing that this was a tornado emergency, which frankly may be the understatement of the year--which is saying something seeing as the Norman WFO INVENTED the whole concept of the "tornado emergency" as "SRSLY, GET IN THE BASEMENT NAO" warning-plus the LAST time Moore, OK got slammed).

The second severe weather statement is remarkably understated in comparison, the third severe weather statement is another reminder this is TORNADO EMERGENCY SRS BUSINESS, a fourth severe weather statement noting Tornado Emergency was issued ten minutes after, and then finally a (remarkably understated) severe weather statement was issued as the storm moved toward Meeker.

/took some digging on this--suffice it to say that the Norman, OK WFO had a no-good, very bad, very busy day today

Remember what we talked about last night .. about a tornado hitting a major sporting event with hundreds of people in campers or tents?


Yeah, I remember, and frankly the one thing that could make this week even SHIATTIER would be the nightmare scenario of the Speedway getting it just as it's getting crowded for the 500 :P  (Not not NOT liking this AT ALL, especially as this is a NIGHT-TIME event :P)

/yes, this is one of the few times I can say I wish I weren't apatheist,  Hope some small god is looking out for them
//more importantly, I hope the safety personnel at Indianapolis Motor Speedway and the Speedway PD have been hauling ass to try to get folks to safety
 
2013-05-21 03:20:09 AM  

nukeim: No house is going to hold up.


My parents in West Tennessee have probably the most tornado-resistant house in about a 15-20 mile radius.

ICF is awesome.

www.wdcicf.com


Having said that, I still wouldn't want to ride out any kind of tornado on the top floor. Luckily, the bottom floor is mostly underground.
 
2013-05-21 03:21:00 AM  
Storm approaching speeway no longer tornadic .. but there are spinups all along that line now.
 
2013-05-21 03:23:37 AM  

Great Porn Dragon: Found it here for the Moore tornado


If those guys bought typewriters with lower case, then they could SHOUT when they need to.
 
2013-05-21 03:27:47 AM  
I sure would like to know what the people in Moore, OK have been doing to piss God off so much...
 
2013-05-21 03:29:29 AM  
If you really want a tornado proof home, just build a bunker underground. Problem solved. My uncle in Iowa got a underground home and i am sure he can ride out a tornado. Not sure how the door to the outside will hold up.
 
2013-05-21 03:30:34 AM  

elffster: nukeim: Teknowaffle: Jesus. I guess that is what happens when you build plywood suburbs in a part of the world named Tornado Alley.

Would brick/poured concrete fare better? Or would they just give the storm heavier shrapnel?

Most houses here ARE brick on concrete slab.

But its still the traditional stick built house, isnt it?  What are the rafters and roof made of, under those shingles?

http://www.monolithic.com/   If I could, thats who I'd use to make my house..


Seems like it would be good PR for these guys to donate all or some of the cost towards replacing those schools with tornado-resistant dome structures.
 
2013-05-21 03:31:22 AM  

FlyingBacon: If you really want a tornado proof home, just build a bunker underground. Problem solved. My uncle in Iowa got a underground home and i am sure he can ride out a tornado. Not sure how the door to the outside will hold up.


Having lived in that part of Okla., that's a very expensive proposition given the very hard substrate there.
 
2013-05-21 03:33:14 AM  
Well, I'm not sure but that is starting to look like a derecho to me...
 
2013-05-21 03:37:15 AM  

esteban9: I sure would like to know what the people in Moore, OK have been doing to piss God off so much...


Maybe he really likes them and wants them by his side in Heaven.

Put another way: "He wants Moore He wants Moore...like, he really likes it he wants Moore"
 
2013-05-21 03:46:02 AM  

you are a puppet: esteban9: I sure would like to know what the people in Moore, OK have been doing to piss God off so much...

Maybe he really likes them and wants them by his side in Heaven.

Put another way: "He wants Moore He wants Moore...like, he really likes it he wants Moore"


Who can question the will of the Almighty? I guess us...
 
2013-05-21 03:51:10 AM  

Shadow Blasko: [www.spc.noaa.gov image 815x555]
So... Who's sleeping in tomorrow? No one!


that's yesterdays.

here's todays.
i131.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-21 03:53:18 AM  

Shadow Blasko: neongoats: tinfoil-hat maggie: Uchiha_Cycliste: tinfoil-hat maggie: Uchiha_Cycliste: tinfoil-hat maggie: FunkOut: muck4doo: mikaloyd: Cytokine Storm: mikaloyd:

Rumpleminz... Drink till you puke (which wont take long) and still have minty fresh breath!


Back in my Navy days I had a mode of operation: four shots of that stuff before heading out to the bars. It never caused me any problems. TaKillYa on the other hand...that is just evil

Regarding the storm deaths, I think I will be afraid to see the news in the morning. Reporting at least 91 now, with many of those children. Nature is a cruel mother
 
2013-05-21 03:53:22 AM  
Juan, Moore, missing
 
2013-05-21 03:54:31 AM  
Or:

Juan: Moore missing
 
2013-05-21 03:54:59 AM  

esteban9: FlyingBacon: If you really want a tornado proof home, just build a bunker underground. Problem solved. My uncle in Iowa got a underground home and i am sure he can ride out a tornado. Not sure how the door to the outside will hold up.

Having lived in that part of Okla., that's a very expensive proposition given the very hard substrate there.


Very true. One way to do it cheaper, build or buy a "normal" home and insured it really heavy and build a small storm bunker to protect you and your family and pets. A storm shelter will increase the value of your place.

If you are a renter and the place got no storm shelter, you are farked up. Sorry, its true.

/this farker's grandma was born and raise in Okla.
 
2013-05-21 03:56:31 AM  

germ78: Uchiha_Cycliste: tinfoil-hat maggie: Uchiha_Cycliste: you thought I was kidding, didn't ya?

Why yes I did, still want.

can you buy liquor through the internets?

damn right you can.

/it was the first suggestion from google by entering "buy li"


Soon to be overtaken by "buy liver".
 
2013-05-21 04:03:33 AM  

powhound: Regarding the storm deaths, I think I will be afraid to see the news in the morning. Reporting at least 91 now, with many of those children. Nature is a cruel mother


which is why I will be aggressively avoiding the news for the next couple of weeks.
 
2013-05-21 04:03:50 AM  

FlyingBacon: esteban9: FlyingBacon: If you really want a tornado proof home, just build a bunker underground. Problem solved. My uncle in Iowa got a underground home and i am sure he can ride out a tornado. Not sure how the door to the outside will hold up.

Having lived in that part of Okla., that's a very expensive proposition given the very hard substrate there.

Very true. One way to do it cheaper, build or buy a "normal" home and insured it really heavy and build a small storm bunker to protect you and your family and pets. A storm shelter will increase the value of your place.

If you are a renter and the place got no storm shelter, you are farked up. Sorry, its true.

/this farker's grandma was born and raise in Okla.


Having a storm shelter has pretty much zero impact on home prices here. You can point it out as a feature when selling...But most don't bother.

And you can install one for well under $3,000 in your backyard (retail). So it's not like a ridiculously expensive upgrade.

We had one just like this put in last year for about $2,500:

www.precastunlimitedinc.com
 
2013-05-21 04:08:10 AM  

7th Son of a 7th Son: Mom lives in Edmond, dad lives in NW OKC. Both are okay. I was not expecting this storm to weaken as fast as it did, by the time it got to Stroud/Bristow it seemed to almost disintegrate.


Glad to hear your folks are alright. I've got tons of friends who are Okies, and my girlfriend is from OKC. She's visiting this week! O.o  Thankfully everyone I know is ok.
 
2013-05-21 04:09:17 AM  

log_jammin: Shadow Blasko: [www.spc.noaa.gov image 815x555]
So... Who's sleeping in tomorrow? No one!

that's yesterdays.

here's todays.
[i131.photobucket.com image 640x480]


Well, sorta... It's todays valid through noon.
 
2013-05-21 04:14:44 AM  
Don't if this video has been posted. Really up close video of the tornado from a storm shelter.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3o6wTcy4UQ
 
2013-05-21 04:15:04 AM  

FlyingBacon: esteban9: FlyingBacon: If you really want a tornado proof home, just build a bunker underground. Problem solved. My uncle in Iowa got a underground home and i am sure he can ride out a tornado. Not sure how the door to the outside will hold up.

Having lived in that part of Okla., that's a very expensive proposition given the very hard substrate there.

Very true. One way to do it cheaper, build or buy a "normal" home and insured it really heavy and build a small storm bunker to protect you and your family and pets. A storm shelter will increase the value of your place.

If you are a renter and the place got no storm shelter, you are farked up. Sorry, its true.

/this farker's grandma was born and raise in Okla.


Very true. I'm sure many in Moore bought some shelters after the 1999 tornado. I know of at least one story personally where it saved a couple lives. I'm sure there are more.
 
2013-05-21 04:15:27 AM  

nukeim: We had one just like this put in last year for about $2,500:


what company?

I need to add one. I've put it off for way too long.
 
2013-05-21 04:16:04 AM  

worlddan: The thing that get my attention is all the water. I know that sounds strange but i live in the desert where there hasn't been a hurricane or a tornado or a tsunami in literally millions of years. I sometimes forget that I live on a world that is 70% water. Everybody else is looking at all the destruction and I sit here thinking, "day-um. Where did all the water come from?"


I grew up in the desert too and never saw one personally, but my relatives were from the Midwest and tell me about tornados they had seen. There was one in  Tucson in the 70s that actually touched down and did some damage. I was young and kept indoors and missed all the fun. We have had some funnel clouds  in the area though, that have never touched down.  As for water some if from the storm and rest is from spring snow run off or being a planned community it could also be man made like in Phoenix does with CAP and Salt River water.

I would visit an uncle in Missouri and one time there was a tornado warning on TV.  I was kind of freaked out about it. So he decided to have fun with his desert rat niece.  It was evening and he kept point to the cloudy sky and tell me he could see a funnel cloud.  Needless to say I did not get much sleep that night.
 
2013-05-21 04:20:08 AM  

thisisyourbrainonFark: dumbandilikeit: They had about 20-30mins of warnings, but not much you can do when faced with a storm of that size.

Obvious questions will be whether Plaza Towers and other buildings had underground storm shelters and whether building codes mandate them. Assume they will be now. But if the storm hit as quick as you say, mandatory shelters don't mean jack if you can't get to them.
As another farker said, some of these suburbs look like Dresden times 10.


Early reports had the kids sheltering in a central hallway.

How any building built in Oklahoma can be made out of anything less than concrete and lack a shelter I have no idea. Might as well build on a flood plain.
 
2013-05-21 04:20:47 AM  

log_jammin: nukeim: We had one just like this put in last year for about $2,500:

what company?

I need to add one. I've put it off for way too long.


Small local joint. Same guy that services my septic system actually. So I guess you could say that he's all about saving my ass.
 
2013-05-21 04:25:35 AM  

Medic Zero: thisisyourbrainonFark: dumbandilikeit: They had about 20-30mins of warnings, but not much you can do when faced with a storm of that size.

Obvious questions will be whether Plaza Towers and other buildings had underground storm shelters and whether building codes mandate them. Assume they will be now. But if the storm hit as quick as you say, mandatory shelters don't mean jack if you can't get to them.
As another farker said, some of these suburbs look like Dresden times 10.

Early reports had the kids sheltering in a central hallway.

How any building built in Oklahoma can be made out of anything less than concrete and lack a shelter I have no idea. Might as well build on a flood plain.


That school probably was concrete. But like was said (and linked, with a video) above...You throw THAT much crap, THAT hard, at just about any structure, it's going to fail. How thick does a wall need to be to stop an airborne minivan? Pretty much underground is the only safe way to do this, but not a basement, as 1) there aren't many basements in OK due to groundwater or something like that...Houses just aren't built with them and 2) You going to make an underground storm shelter big enough for a thousand kids in EVERY school?

I hope so...But I won't hold my breath.
 
2013-05-21 04:28:49 AM  

tkil: maxheck: Today in unfortunate product placement...

[i39.tinypic.com image 800x154]

This is the juxtaposition that caught my eye, on BBC News:

[foiani.home.dyndns.org image 464x217]


Of course that is actually talking about the highest predicted levels of CO2 sensitivity for the global climate being less likely given recent data, it was not referring to extreme weather events.
 
2013-05-21 04:31:41 AM  

sonorangal: worlddan: The thing that get my attention is all the water. I know that sounds strange but i live in the desert where there hasn't been a hurricane or a tornado or a tsunami in literally millions of years. I sometimes forget that I live on a world that is 70% water. Everybody else is looking at all the destruction and I sit here thinking, "day-um. Where did all the water come from?"

I grew up in the desert too and never saw one personally, but my relatives were from the Midwest and tell me about tornados they had seen. There was one in  Tucson in the 70s that actually touched down and did some damage. I was young and kept indoors and missed all the fun. We have had some funnel clouds  in the area though, that have never touched down.  As for water some if from the storm and rest is from spring snow run off or being a planned community it could also be man made like in Phoenix does with CAP and Salt River water.

I would visit an uncle in Missouri and one time there was a tornado warning on TV.  I was kind of freaked out about it. So he decided to have fun with his desert rat niece.  It was evening and he kept point to the cloudy sky and tell me he could see a funnel cloud.  Needless to say I did not get much sleep that night.


That does remind of what my great uncle would do or say.
 
2013-05-21 04:35:47 AM  

nukeim: Medic Zero: thisisyourbrainonFark: dumbandilikeit: They had about 20-30mins of warnings, but not much you can do when faced with a storm of that size.

Obvious questions will be whether Plaza Towers and other buildings had underground storm shelters and whether building codes mandate them. Assume they will be now. But if the storm hit as quick as you say, mandatory shelters don't mean jack if you can't get to them.
As another farker said, some of these suburbs look like Dresden times 10.

Early reports had the kids sheltering in a central hallway.

How any building built in Oklahoma can be made out of anything less than concrete and lack a shelter I have no idea. Might as well build on a flood plain.

That school probably was concrete. But like was said (and linked, with a video) above...You throw THAT much crap, THAT hard, at just about any structure, it's going to fail. How thick does a wall need to be to stop an airborne minivan? Pretty much underground is the only safe way to do this, but not a basement, as 1) there aren't many basements in OK due to groundwater or something like that...Houses just aren't built with them and 2) You going to make an underground storm shelter big enough for a thousand kids in EVERY school?

I hope so...But I won't hold my breath.


My high school's gym was in the basement level and we had our assemblies there, so it can be done. I didn't grow up in any sort of a tornado-prone area though (NYC), so I'm not sure if my mileage may vary.
 
2013-05-21 04:38:59 AM  

Sir Cumference the Flatulent: nukeim: Medic Zero: thisisyourbrainonFark: dumbandilikeit: They had about 20-30mins of warnings, but not much you can do when faced with a storm of that size.

Obvious questions will be whether Plaza Towers and other buildings had underground storm shelters and whether building codes mandate them. Assume they will be now. But if the storm hit as quick as you say, mandatory shelters don't mean jack if you can't get to them.
As another farker said, some of these suburbs look like Dresden times 10.

Early reports had the kids sheltering in a central hallway.

How any building built in Oklahoma can be made out of anything less than concrete and lack a shelter I have no idea. Might as well build on a flood plain.

That school probably was concrete. But like was said (and linked, with a video) above...You throw THAT much crap, THAT hard, at just about any structure, it's going to fail. How thick does a wall need to be to stop an airborne minivan? Pretty much underground is the only safe way to do this, but not a basement, as 1) there aren't many basements in OK due to groundwater or something like that...Houses just aren't built with them and 2) You going to make an underground storm shelter big enough for a thousand kids in EVERY school?

I hope so...But I won't hold my breath.

My high school's gym was in the basement level and we had our assemblies there, so it can be done. I didn't grow up in any sort of a tornado-prone area though (NYC), so I'm not sure if my mileage may vary.


Basements aren't done in Oklahoma for the most part Especially in houses. And they're a bad idea for tornadoes anyway, because the structure is fairly likely to collapse on top of you. It needs to be a concrete box basically.
 
2013-05-21 04:42:59 AM  

Medic Zero: How any building built in Oklahoma can be made out of anything less than concrete


when a tornado as big as this one hits directly it doesn't much matter what a building is made of.
 
2013-05-21 04:44:38 AM  

nukeim: Basements aren't done in Oklahoma for the most part Especially in houses. And they're a bad idea for tornadoes anyway, because the structure is fairly likely to collapse on top of you. It needs to be a concrete box basically.


What about fallout shelters (at least in buildings that went up during the Cold War)? I used to see these signs all over the place when I was growing up.

www.orau.org

Not being a smartass here, I just don't have anything resembling first-hand experience with tornadoes other than knowing that they're bad.
 
2013-05-21 04:46:34 AM  

Medic Zero: thisisyourbrainonFark: dumbandilikeit: They had about 20-30mins of warnings, but not much you can do when faced with a storm of that size.

Obvious questions will be whether Plaza Towers and other buildings had underground storm shelters and whether building codes mandate them. Assume they will be now. But if the storm hit as quick as you say, mandatory shelters don't mean jack if you can't get to them.
As another farker said, some of these suburbs look like Dresden times 10.

Early reports had the kids sheltering in a central hallway.

How any building built in Oklahoma can be made out of anything less than concrete and lack a shelter I have no idea. Might as well build on a flood plain.


Like most kids in school we had our annual tornado drill each year which consisted of having everyone on the 2nd floor go down stairs.

The one and only time we ever actually had a real tornado, which was an F1 that never came within 10 miles of the school, they decided it would be too crowded and uncomfortable for everyone to go downstairs so half the kids stayed on the top floor.

/CSB
 
2013-05-21 04:47:06 AM  

Theory Of Null: Don't if this video has been posted. Really up close video of the tornado from a storm shelter.<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3o6wTcy4UQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3o6wTcy4UQ</a>



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwf6HvAG8cA  Another one. It's sucking up shiat from 200 yards away.
 
2013-05-21 04:51:57 AM  

Theory Of Null: Theory Of Null: Don't if this video has been posted. Really up close video of the tornado from a storm shelter.<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3o6wTcy4UQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3o6wTcy4UQ</a>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwf6HvAG8cA  Another one. It's sucking up shiat from 200 yards away.


Holy crap that was WAAAAAAAAY too close.
 
2013-05-21 04:52:15 AM  

nukeim: Basements aren't done in Oklahoma for the most part Especially in houses. And they're a bad idea for tornadoes anyway, because the structure is fairly likely to collapse on top of you. It needs to be a concrete box basically.


To add to this it wouldn't take much house to be on top of the basement door to ensure you couldn't get out, even it the basement was purpose-built to withstand the collapse. Just something that came to mind.
 
2013-05-21 04:54:07 AM  

Sir Cumference the Flatulent: nukeim: Basements aren't done in Oklahoma for the most part Especially in houses. And they're a bad idea for tornadoes anyway, because the structure is fairly likely to collapse on top of you. It needs to be a concrete box basically.

What about fallout shelters (at least in buildings that went up during the Cold War)? I used to see these signs all over the place when I was growing up.

[www.orau.org image 477x637]

Not being a smartass here, I just don't have anything resembling first-hand experience with tornadoes other than knowing that they're bad.


I used to work at the National Severe Storms Lab and NWS Radar Operations Center in Norman in the 90s. The following is from the City of Moore's website, explaining why they operate no community shelters. However, I'm not so sure of their lead time rationale. Given the aforementioned facilities, I think that warnings are the best in the country and that if people have adequate conduits and awareness, 30 minute lead times are not at all unrealistic:

"The City of Moore has no community (or "public") tornado shelters. This is due to two factors: Overall, people face less risk by taking shelter in a reasonably-well constructed residence! There is no public building in Moore which has a suitable location for a shelter. Yes, there is less overall risk by sheltering-in-place than by going to a community shelter. The average tornado warning time is generally only 10-15 minutes. That's just not enough time for a person to receive the warning, make a conscious decision to leave their home, gather the few things needed (family, keys, etc.), lock the house, get into the car, drive to a shelter (including possibly experiencing a traffic jam of others trying to get to the same shelter!), get out of the car, and make the way into the community shelter. In this scenario, there's a far greater likelihood of getting caught in your car when the tornado strikes! "
 
2013-05-21 04:57:42 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Medic Zero: How any building built in Oklahoma can be made out of anything less than concrete

when a tornado as big as this one hits directly it doesn't much matter what a building is made of.


I find that hard to believe. With enough concrete and well designed steel shutters a building should be able to be made tornado proof, even to flying mini-vans. Afterall fortifications have been made to resist VERY heavy artillery fire for more than a century now. It doesn't even have to be all that thick in most places if designed well.
 
2013-05-21 05:03:28 AM  

Medic Zero: WhyteRaven74: Medic Zero: How any building built in Oklahoma can be made out of anything less than concrete

when a tornado as big as this one hits directly it doesn't much matter what a building is made of.

I find that hard to believe. With enough concrete and well designed steel shutters a building should be able to be made tornado proof, even to flying mini-vans. Afterall fortifications have been made to resist VERY heavy artillery fire for more than a century now. It doesn't even have to be all that thick in most places if designed well.


A building large enough to hold 3,000 students (Moore has giant schools)? Good luck.
 
2013-05-21 05:07:39 AM  

Medic Zero: With enough concrete


The issue is not the wind speed, but what's in the wind. Concrete is actually fairly brittle, if you were to take a chunk of structural concrete and throw it on the ground you'd get it to at least produce a few chips, and depending on the shape and just how hard you threw it, it could actually shatter. Now a thick concrete wall can handle a two by four doing 100 miles an hour, but once you get up past 180, well the concrete will survive but not without some damage. What's more it's gonna get hit by stuff not only more massive but harder than that two by four. The rigidity of concrete will handle the wind speeds, however the brittleness means that it's what the wind is blowing around that will cause it to be compromised.
 
2013-05-21 05:07:42 AM  

Sir Cumference the Flatulent: nukeim: Basements aren't done in Oklahoma for the most part Especially in houses. And they're a bad idea for tornadoes anyway, because the structure is fairly likely to collapse on top of you. It needs to be a concrete box basically.

What about fallout shelters (at least in buildings that went up during the Cold War)? I used to see these signs all over the place when I was growing up.

[www.orau.org image 477x637]

Not being a smartass here, I just don't have anything resembling first-hand experience with tornadoes other than knowing that they're bad.


Government identified "Public Fallout Shelters" such as the ones associated with the sign you posted were supposed to be places capable of protecting from the effects of fallout (radioactive dust), not wind/blast damage. Sometimes they were equipped with supplies to enable occupants to avoid going outside until the radiation hazard had somewhat dissipated. The criteria to determine a shelter was aimed primarily at mitigating radiation effects, not protecting against the actual blast of the attack. Nearly all of them in the U.S. have been decommissioned and repurposed. They are often confused with a bomb shelter, which is designed to protect against airblast effects from an explosion, and would protect against wind damage from a storm. A Fallout shelter located in a basement could also do this, but it was more of a chance side effect than by design.

Privately built 'fallout shelters' were generally closer to being a bomb shelter than just a fallout shelter as identified by the government, so your neighbor's backyard cold war cave was probably safer from a tornado than the public library shelter.
 
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2013-05-21 05:08:53 AM  
I've been following this all day and night, and reading all the threads while watching the news. This is unbelievably awful. Heart and prayers to all involved, hope all Farkers' families end up safe.
 
2013-05-21 05:09:55 AM  

Medic Zero: WhyteRaven74: Medic Zero: How any building built in Oklahoma can be made out of anything less than concrete

when a tornado as big as this one hits directly it doesn't much matter what a building is made of.

I find that hard to believe. With enough concrete and well designed steel shutters a building should be able to be made tornado proof, even to flying mini-vans. Afterall fortifications have been made to resist VERY heavy artillery fire for more than a century now. It doesn't even have to be all that thick in most places if designed well.


It's really hard to explain due to the number of dynamic forces present, but it really can't be done, cost effectively, with current tech.

Sure, you can make a house that can withstand 200 mile an hour winds, but what happens when those 200 mile an winds pick up a truck, and throw it against the house? Poof, do it again... crunch, now your wall is buckled in and the roof has a 6" lip extending where it was flush... that roof peels off like a soup can lid.

Also, you need to remember that there can be 300 to 400 mph gusts in there. It's not just the sustained winds. There could be a shearing action of massive amounts in a multiple vortices tornado.

You're talking about the kind of reinforcements that are used to isolate nuclear reactors and nuclear waste casks.

Can it be done... Yes.

Can it be done for less than $10,000 per house, with existing materials and the availability of those materials in the marketplace? Yes, but probably not for more than one city the size of Moore.

It would have to be heavily subsidized and would require massive modifications to many structures.

And what do you do about apartments?

Anyway... It's coming. It will get here. There are very very smart people working to make it happen as soon as possible. But it's gonna take a LOT of time.
 
2013-05-21 05:11:35 AM  

Medic Zero: WhyteRaven74: Medic Zero: How any building built in Oklahoma can be made out of anything less than concrete

when a tornado as big as this one hits directly it doesn't much matter what a building is made of.

I find that hard to believe. With enough concrete and well designed steel shutters a building should be able to be made tornado proof, even to flying mini-vans. Afterall fortifications have been made to resist VERY heavy artillery fire for more than a century now. It doesn't even have to be all that thick in most places if designed well.


Yes this is true.  How often does Education receive the same level of $$ as Military?

Bunkers are not typically made ABOVE ground, nor are they typically made for 1k+ people,  In theory, yes you could design a building able to withstand an F5 parking on it.  You also could design a machine to stop a tornado from ever forming if given enough time and money...
 
2013-05-21 05:11:41 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Now a thick concrete wall can handle a two by four doing 100 miles an hour, but once you get up past 180, well the concrete will survive but not without some damage. What's more it's gonna get hit by stuff not only more massive but harder than that two by four. The rigidity of concrete will handle the wind speeds, however the brittleness means that it's what the wind is blowing around that will cause it to be compromised.


When you hit the outside of a structure hard, the shock wave can knock bits of the inside ("spalling") which cause damage as they fly around. This is how most anti-tank missiles work; they don;t try to get through the armour, but instead blow chunks off the inside to bounce unhealthily around the occupants.
 
2013-05-21 05:12:50 AM  

esteban9: Sir Cumference the Flatulent: nukeim: Basements aren't done in Oklahoma for the most part Especially in houses. And they're a bad idea for tornadoes anyway, because the structure is fairly likely to collapse on top of you. It needs to be a concrete box basically.

What about fallout shelters (at least in buildings that went up during the Cold War)? I used to see these signs all over the place when I was growing up.

[www.orau.org image 477x637]

Not being a smartass here, I just don't have anything resembling first-hand experience with tornadoes other than knowing that they're bad.

I used to work at the National Severe Storms Lab and NWS Radar Operations Center in Norman in the 90s. The following is from the City of Moore's website, explaining why they operate no community shelters. However, I'm not so sure of their lead time rationale. Given the aforementioned facilities, I think that warnings are the best in the country and that if people have adequate conduits and awareness, 30 minute lead times are not at all unrealistic:

"The City of Moore has no community (or "public") tornado shelters. This is due to two factors: Overall, people face less risk by taking shelter in a reasonably-well constructed residence! There is no public building in Moore which has a suitable location for a shelter. Yes, there is less overall risk by sheltering-in-place than by going to a community shelter. The average tornado warning time is generally only 10-15 minutes. That's just not enough time for a person to receive the warning, make a conscious decision to leave their home, gather the few things needed (family, keys, etc.), lock the house, get into the car, drive to a shelter (including possibly experiencing a traffic jam of others trying to get to the same shelter!), get out of the car, and make the way into the community shelter. In this scenario, there's a far greater likelihood of getting caught in your car when the tornado strikes! "


OK...that rationale makes sense to me..thanks.
 
2013-05-21 05:13:15 AM  

Medic Zero: WhyteRaven74: Medic Zero: How any building built in Oklahoma can be made out of anything less than concrete

when a tornado as big as this one hits directly it doesn't much matter what a building is made of.

I find that hard to believe. With enough concrete and well designed steel shutters a building should be able to be made tornado proof, even to flying mini-vans. Afterall fortifications have been made to resist VERY heavy artillery fire for more than a century now. It doesn't even have to be all that thick in most places if designed well.


When these things hit they are like atomic bombs, and take out anything and everything in their paths.  It's not like getting shelled in the bunkers along the Normandy coast by battleships (and as I recall those didn't fare too well in some areas).  Tornadoes are VERY powerful, and often unpredictable as to what exactly they will hit, or where.
 
2013-05-21 05:16:31 AM  

nukeim: Medic Zero: WhyteRaven74: Medic Zero: How any building built in Oklahoma can be made out of anything less than concrete

when a tornado as big as this one hits directly it doesn't much matter what a building is made of.

I find that hard to believe. With enough concrete and well designed steel shutters a building should be able to be made tornado proof, even to flying mini-vans. Afterall fortifications have been made to resist VERY heavy artillery fire for more than a century now. It doesn't even have to be all that thick in most places if designed well.

A building large enough to hold 3,000 students (Moore has giant schools)? Good luck.


Maybe make the schools smaller then? Gotta start over anyway...
 
2013-05-21 05:17:49 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Medic Zero: With enough concrete

The issue is not the wind speed, but what's in the wind. Concrete is actually fairly brittle, if you were to take a chunk of structural concrete and throw it on the ground you'd get it to at least produce a few chips, and depending on the shape and just how hard you threw it, it could actually shatter. Now a thick concrete wall can handle a two by four doing 100 miles an hour, but once you get up past 180, well the concrete will survive but not without some damage. What's more it's gonna get hit by stuff not only more massive but harder than that two by four. The rigidity of concrete will handle the wind speeds, however the brittleness means that it's what the wind is blowing around that will cause it to be compromised.


And this too.  It's not just the wind, but all the objects (cars, trees, pieces of buildings, bricks, concrete pieces, etc.) that the winds will hurl at structures that causes most of the devastation.
 
2013-05-21 05:20:13 AM  
For anyone interested (and awake like us graveyard Farkers), you can listen in on the OK City and Moore PD/FD radio scanner traffic covering the tornado search & rescue efforts - can be very interesting at times, for instance I just listened to Moore police complaining about a wave of Media press people flooding the area despite barricades, turned out an FBI roadblock was mistakenly giving them access! Warning - Can have periods of nothing to hear though or routine traffic, may bore some listeners at times. But there can also be some pretty graphic comments as well, if you are the sensitive type.

Links to area live audio scanner feeds (all can be found via RadioReference.com in case these URL's change):

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/mid/32 - main list, click play icon to the left to hear

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/9683/web - OK City PD and Moore PD/FD also fed in.

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/318/web - OK City Fire Dept (providing most support for Moore recovery)
 
2013-05-21 05:21:20 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Medic Zero: With enough concrete

The issue is not the wind speed, but what's in the wind. Concrete is actually fairly brittle, if you were to take a chunk of structural concrete and throw it on the ground you'd get it to at least produce a few chips, and depending on the shape and just how hard you threw it, it could actually shatter. Now a thick concrete wall can handle a two by four doing 100 miles an hour, but once you get up past 180, well the concrete will survive but not without some damage. What's more it's gonna get hit by stuff not only more massive but harder than that two by four. The rigidity of concrete will handle the wind speeds, however the brittleness means that it's what the wind is blowing around that will cause it to be compromised.


Who builds out of just concrete? It needs steel reinforcement inside it.
 
2013-05-21 05:24:57 AM  

esteban9: I used to work at the National Severe Storms Lab and NWS Radar Operations Center in Norman in the 90s. The following is from the City of Moore's website, explaining why they operate no community shelters. However, I'm not so sure of their lead time rationale. Given the aforementioned facilities, I think that warnings are the best in the country and that if people have adequate conduits and awareness, 30 minute lead times are not at all unrealistic:


Ever meet a big guy named Shadow... drove an insanely beat up 1990 Acura?

/Was there in 97 for a week.
 
2013-05-21 05:29:11 AM  

Medic Zero: Who builds out of just concrete? It needs steel reinforcement inside it.


OK, I'm trying to be legit on this, so let me ask some qualifying questions.

Are you talking about including this in new buildings, or retrofitting?
 
2013-05-21 05:30:32 AM  
Not trying to rub salt in anyone's wound here, but I was sitting with my girlfriend and watching a newsfeed. It seems pretty much all houses in the path of the tornado are built with wood. I live in Northern Europe and we are used to some weather as well (no big tornadoes though). All our homes and buildings are built either with clay bricks or concrete - to offer proper shelter in e.g. a hurricane, and to keep heat inside during cold winters.

I just wonder, why on Earth would you build this many obviously vulnerable wooden homes in an area infamous for its rough weather? Haven't you guys ever heard of The Three Little Pigs?
 
2013-05-21 05:32:44 AM  

orbister: WhyteRaven74: Now a thick concrete wall can handle a two by four doing 100 miles an hour, but once you get up past 180, well the concrete will survive but not without some damage. What's more it's gonna get hit by stuff not only more massive but harder than that two by four. The rigidity of concrete will handle the wind speeds, however the brittleness means that it's what the wind is blowing around that will cause it to be compromised.

When you hit the outside of a structure hard, the shock wave can knock bits of the inside ("spalling") which cause damage as they fly around. This is how most anti-tank missiles work; they don;t try to get through the armour, but instead blow chunks off the inside to bounce unhealthily around the occupants.


Tanks have had spall liners since WW2

bedtundy: Medic Zero: WhyteRaven74: Medic Zero: How any building built in Oklahoma can be made out of anything less than concrete

when a tornado as big as this one hits directly it doesn't much matter what a building is made of.

I find that hard to believe. With enough concrete and well designed steel shutters a building should be able to be made tornado proof, even to flying mini-vans. Afterall fortifications have been made to resist VERY heavy artillery fire for more than a century now. It doesn't even have to be all that thick in most places if designed well.

When these things hit they are like atomic bombs, and take out anything and everything in their paths.  It's not like getting shelled in the bunkers along the Normandy coast by battleships (and as I recall those didn't fare too well in some areas).  Tornadoes are VERY powerful, and often unpredictable as to what exactly they will hit, or where.


Most of the bunkers on the Normandy coast had their concrete compromised during construction by French (& other, conscripted) workers.
 
2013-05-21 05:34:12 AM  

Evilhippie: I just wonder, why on Earth would you build this many obviously vulnerable wooden homes in an area infamous for its rough weather? Haven't you guys ever heard of The Three Little Pigs?


Just fly over the US sometime. You'll get it.

Also, it gets hot... AMAZINGLY hot in that area. 40C? Yep... for weeks sometimes. Concrete holds too much heat, and adobe construction is not very workable for suburban areas.
 
2013-05-21 05:35:30 AM  

Evilhippie: Not trying to rub salt in anyone's wound here, but I was sitting with my girlfriend and watching a newsfeed. It seems pretty much all houses in the path of the tornado are built with wood. I live in Northern Europe and we are used to some weather as well (no big tornadoes though). All our homes and buildings are built either with clay bricks or concrete - to offer proper shelter in e.g. a hurricane, and to keep heat inside during cold winters.

I just wonder, why on Earth would you build this many obviously vulnerable wooden homes in an area infamous for its rough weather? Haven't you guys ever heard of The Three Little Pigs?


They're wood frame, covered in brick... For the most part. Some are simply covered in siding. But not many. But even the brick doesn't stand up to the weight/velocity of what gets flung at them in a tornado.
 
2013-05-21 05:36:48 AM  
OK City scanners reporting more nasty weather imminent.....
 
2013-05-21 05:39:48 AM  

Medic Zero: Maybe make the schools smaller then? Gotta start over anyway...


It's much cheaper to run a few big schools than it is for lots of small schools.
 
2013-05-21 05:40:25 AM  
www.news9.com/livestream
 
2013-05-21 05:41:08 AM  
radblast-aws.wunderground.com

This might post..
 
2013-05-21 05:42:11 AM  

Evilhippie: Not trying to rub salt in anyone's wound here, but I was sitting with my girlfriend and watching a newsfeed. It seems pretty much all houses in the path of the tornado are built with wood. I live in Northern Europe and we are used to some weather as well (no big tornadoes though). All our homes and buildings are built either with clay bricks or concrete - to offer proper shelter in e.g. a hurricane, and to keep heat inside during cold winters.

I just wonder, why on Earth would you build this many obviously vulnerable wooden homes in an area infamous for its rough weather? Haven't you guys ever heard of The Three Little Pigs?


places are built with what's cost effective for where they are.
 
2013-05-21 05:44:37 AM  
Yeah Shadow, I saw that kicking up when I looked earlier, there was also a nasty arc ahead of that line too.
 
2013-05-21 05:45:53 AM  

Captain Swoop: OK City scanners reporting more nasty weather imminent.....


Eh...This one aint gonna do squat.
 
2013-05-21 05:52:55 AM  

Medic Zero: WhyteRaven74: Medic Zero: With enough concrete

The issue is not the wind speed, but what's in the wind. Concrete is actually fairly brittle, if you were to take a chunk of structural concrete and throw it on the ground you'd get it to at least produce a few chips, and depending on the shape and just how hard you threw it, it could actually shatter. Now a thick concrete wall can handle a two by four doing 100 miles an hour, but once you get up past 180, well the concrete will survive but not without some damage. What's more it's gonna get hit by stuff not only more massive but harder than that two by four. The rigidity of concrete will handle the wind speeds, however the brittleness means that it's what the wind is blowing around that will cause it to be compromised.

Who builds out of just concrete? It needs steel reinforcement inside it.


Exactly, but building 2' thick reinforced concrete walls and a steel roof anchored to the walls themselves for each school, and make it big enough for every student and faculty to take shelter in? The cost would be astronomical. Even building a steel reinforced concrete shelter above ground for a house can cost $10,000 easy, and that would just be for 3-4 people to take shelter in. The reports I heard yesterday indicated the school was made of concrete blocks; that's probably one of the worst materials for tornado resistance; the walls aren't very strong laterally, and the winds can easily push them over even with the rebar added to the walls every 3rd course of blocks or so. One option would be to fill the voids in certain concrete block walls with cement, making it more solid and resistant to overturning, and then reinforce the roof as well such as over the hallway. The rest of the building may collapse, but hopefully the interior portion would remain intact.

Not sure that a strong EF4 or EF5 tornado can realistically have a big shelter above ground designed against them, though.
 
2013-05-21 05:53:15 AM  

nukeim: Captain Swoop: OK City scanners reporting more nasty weather imminent.....

Eh...This one aint gonna do squat.


It's gonna make rescue work wet and miserable, not to mention limiting light.
 
2013-05-21 06:00:16 AM  

Shadow Blasko: nukeim: Captain Swoop: OK City scanners reporting more nasty weather imminent.....

Eh...This one aint gonna do squat.

It's gonna make rescue work wet and miserable, not to mention limiting light.


Exactly. The Command Post is calling in most units now who could be searching for survivors instead, so 'ain't gonna do squat' might matter a bit to somebody trapped under rubble.
 
2013-05-21 06:01:58 AM  

Confabulat: I just woke up. Tornadoes, huh.


I never slept.

So much sadness around here.
 
2013-05-21 06:02:30 AM  
Holy
farking
shiat

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/oklahoma-gop-sen-tom-cobur n-will-seek-to?ref=fpb
 
2013-05-21 06:04:02 AM  

SomeOkieGirl: Confabulat: I just woke up. Tornadoes, huh.

I never slept.

So much sadness around here.


(hugs and support)

Help is coming. i don't know what else to say.
 
2013-05-21 06:04:04 AM  

7th Son of a 7th Son: Mom lives in Edmond, dad lives in NW OKC. Both are okay. I was not expecting this storm to weaken as fast as it did, by the time it got to Stroud/Bristow it seemed to almost disintegrate.


I am glad that your family is okay.

I'm in the Tulsa area but have many friends near the area hit hardest. So very sad for them.
 
2013-05-21 06:09:44 AM  

Captain Swoop: Shadow Blasko: nukeim: Captain Swoop: OK City scanners reporting more nasty weather imminent.....

Eh...This one aint gonna do squat.

It's gonna make rescue work wet and miserable, not to mention limiting light.

Exactly. The Command Post is calling in most units now who could be searching for survivors instead, so 'ain't gonna do squat' might matter a bit to somebody trapped under rubble.


I bet not a single person, or unit, stops searching...Not without a warm body taking their place anyway. Folks here don't operate like that.

*shrugs*

I just meant that it's not going to tear shiat up. No reason to get pissy.
 
2013-05-21 06:09:48 AM  

Medic Zero: Who builds out of just concrete? It needs steel reinforcement inside it.


Oh, you want to build homes in Oklahoma with ICF walls instead of 2x6 frame?  Just increase the costs of your exterior walls by 2 or 3 times.  Say your original exterior wall cost was $6,000, now it's $20,000.

No problem.  So simple!  Right, guys?
 
2013-05-21 06:16:37 AM  

Medic Zero: Tanks have had spall liners since WW2


Of course. So you use bigger missiles, or better shaped charges. Saying "but spall liners" is a bit like saying "but battlements".
 
2013-05-21 06:31:27 AM  

Doubletwist-: Oh great, TWC just said to expect a 50% chance of seeing a tornado withing 25 miles of any particular spot along a pretty big swath of TX/AR/OK/LA - with DFW right in the meat of it. I guess I'll have to pay attention to the weather tomorrow.


Oh ffs.
 
2013-05-21 06:36:15 AM  

nukeim: Triumph: Olfin Bedwere: 7th Son of a 7th Son: Looks like 91 from this specific twister.

It might be 200 by the time all is said and done

The TV warnings started about 40 minutes out. The sirens gave 16 minutes notice. The local TV guys did an amazing job of warning people that the only two options were to get below ground or flee. I can't imagine what the numbers would be like if this thing had hit at 3 a.m.

They told people YESTERDAY (talking about 19th) that this was going to be a day of killer tornadoes.


/mom lives(d) in Moore. Lost her house today :( But everybody is healthy :)


Thinking of you. I'm so sad she lost her home but glad she is okay.
 
2013-05-21 06:36:30 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-21 06:38:15 AM  

nukeim: Captain Swoop: Shadow Blasko: nukeim: Captain Swoop: OK City scanners reporting more nasty weather imminent.....

Eh...This one aint gonna do squat.

It's gonna make rescue work wet and miserable, not to mention limiting light.

Exactly. The Command Post is calling in most units now who could be searching for survivors instead, so 'ain't gonna do squat' might matter a bit to somebody trapped under rubble.

I bet not a single person, or unit, stops searching...Not without a warm body taking their place anyway. Folks here don't operate like that.

*shrugs*

I just meant that it's not going to tear shiat up. No reason to get pissy.


Actually, they are... listening to scanner now. When bad weather hits, the command post calls in most units back to shelter pioints so that the searchers don't become storm victims themselves due to lightning, wind thrown debris (there is a lot of that now that wasn't there before the Tornado, so it doesn't have to 'tear shiat up' - it is already torn up and easily moved around now to hurt people). They will be back out the minute the front passes thru, but it still stops the action for a bit.

/Skywarn tornado spotter 81-89
//USAF Mishap response and Ground Search & Rescue 91-94
//not pissy, just trying to inform the uninformed
 
2013-05-21 06:38:58 AM  

nukeim: Captain Swoop: Shadow Blasko: nukeim: Captain Swoop: OK City scanners reporting more nasty weather imminent.....

Eh...This one aint gonna do squat.

It's gonna make rescue work wet and miserable, not to mention limiting light.

Exactly. The Command Post is calling in most units now who could be searching for survivors instead, so 'ain't gonna do squat' might matter a bit to somebody trapped under rubble.

I bet not a single person, or unit, stops searching...Not without a warm body taking their place anyway. Folks here don't operate like that.

*shrugs*

I just meant that it's not going to tear shiat up. No reason to get pissy.


Folks nowhere operate like that.  No one area holds the monopoly on compassion.

Can't stand the farking platitudes after every disaster.  Oklahoma City isn't any more special than Boston is gritty or New York is resilient or farkng Bangladesh.  Everyone helps out and the somehow finds a way to go on with their lives.
 
2013-05-21 06:39:18 AM  
Severe thunderstorm warning just issued for a couple counties west...
 
2013-05-21 06:41:22 AM  

Shadow Blasko: Medic Zero: Who builds out of just concrete? It needs steel reinforcement inside it.

OK, I'm trying to be legit on this, so let me ask some qualifying questions.

Are you talking about including this in new buildings, or retrofitting?


I don't see any way you could retrofit buildings. Maybe, but that'd be crazy. New construction is what I was thinking.
 
2013-05-21 06:41:30 AM  
SEVERE WEATHER STATEMENTNATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NORMAN OK535 AM CDT TUE MAY 21 2013OKC015-031-051-211115-/O.CON.KOUN.SV.W.0362.000000T0000Z-130521 T1115Z/COMANCHE OK-GRADY OK-CADDO OK-535 AM CDT TUE MAY 21 2013...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 615 AM CDTFOR EXTREME NORTHEASTERN COMANCHE...CENTRAL GRADY AND SOUTHEASTERNCADDO COUNTIES...AT 533 AM CDT...WEATHER SPOTTERS REPORTED SEVERE THUNDERSTORMSLOCATED ALONG A LINE EXTENDING FROM 4 MILES NORTHWEST OF CEMENT TO 6MILES NORTHEAST OF STERLING...MOVING NORTHEAST AT 30 MPH.HAZARDS IN THE WARNING INCLUDE...DESTRUCTIVE WINDS IN EXCESS OF 80 MPH...LARGE DAMAGING HAIL UP TO GOLF BALL SIZE...
 
2013-05-21 06:43:00 AM  

ArgusRun: nukeim: Captain Swoop: Shadow Blasko: nukeim: Captain Swoop: OK City scanners reporting more nasty weather imminent.....

Eh...This one aint gonna do squat.

It's gonna make rescue work wet and miserable, not to mention limiting light.

Exactly. The Command Post is calling in most units now who could be searching for survivors instead, so 'ain't gonna do squat' might matter a bit to somebody trapped under rubble.

I bet not a single person, or unit, stops searching...Not without a warm body taking their place anyway. Folks here don't operate like that.

*shrugs*

I just meant that it's not going to tear shiat up. No reason to get pissy.

Folks nowhere operate like that.  No one area holds the monopoly on compassion.

Can't stand the farking platitudes after every disaster.  Oklahoma City isn't any more special than Boston is gritty or New York is resilient or farkng Bangladesh.  Everyone helps out and the somehow finds a way to go on with their lives.


And maybe just ignore my cynicism.  Saw upthread that your mom lost her house.  Glad she's okay, but I'm sorry for her loss.
 
2013-05-21 06:43:32 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-21 06:44:12 AM  

Shadow Blasko: Radar indicated tornado on the ground, hendricks county Indiana... headed towards (I can't believe I have to type this) THE SPEEDWAY.


We may need a thread to specifically address this day of hell - TWC says to be prepared for the same.
 
2013-05-21 06:46:37 AM  

Bontesla: Shadow Blasko: Radar indicated tornado on the ground, hendricks county Indiana... headed towards (I can't believe I have to type this) THE SPEEDWAY.

We may need a thread to specifically address this day of hell - TWC says to be prepared for the same.


Luckily that one died .. the whole line blew itself out, but man... This week is just not gonna end.. weather disaster wise.
 
2013-05-21 06:47:07 AM  

Bendal: Medic Zero: WhyteRaven74: Medic Zero: With enough concrete

The issue is not the wind speed, but what's in the wind. Concrete is actually fairly brittle, if you were to take a chunk of structural concrete and throw it on the ground you'd get it to at least produce a few chips, and depending on the shape and just how hard you threw it, it could actually shatter. Now a thick concrete wall can handle a two by four doing 100 miles an hour, but once you get up past 180, well the concrete will survive but not without some damage. What's more it's gonna get hit by stuff not only more massive but harder than that two by four. The rigidity of concrete will handle the wind speeds, however the brittleness means that it's what the wind is blowing around that will cause it to be compromised.

Who builds out of just concrete? It needs steel reinforcement inside it.

Exactly, but building 2' thick reinforced concrete walls and a steel roof anchored to the walls themselves for each school, and make it big enough for every student and faculty to take shelter in? The cost would be astronomical. Even building a steel reinforced concrete shelter above ground for a house can cost $10,000 easy, and that would just be for 3-4 people to take shelter in. The reports I heard yesterday indicated the school was made of concrete blocks; that's probably one of the worst materials for tornado resistance; the walls aren't very strong laterally, and the winds can easily push them over even with the rebar added to the walls every 3rd course of blocks or so. One option would be to fill the voids in certain concrete block walls with cement, making it more solid and resistant to overturning, and then reinforce the roof as well such as over the hallway. The rest of the building may collapse, but hopefully the interior portion would remain intact.

Not sure that a strong EF4 or EF5 tornado can realistically have a big shelter above ground designed against them, though.


Once somehow our nation was able to afford to build how many missile silos? The money is there somewhere. Or at least it used to be until CEO's started making 400 times what workers do and not paying taxes on any of it.
 
2013-05-21 06:47:12 AM  

Bontesla: Shadow Blasko: Radar indicated tornado on the ground, hendricks county Indiana... headed towards (I can't believe I have to type this) THE SPEEDWAY.

We may need a thread to specifically address this day of hell - TWC says to be prepared for the same.


Tornadic outbreaks typically occur over more than one day, in different areas of the country.
 
2013-05-21 06:50:17 AM  

orbister: Medic Zero: Tanks have had spall liners since WW2

Of course. So you use bigger missiles, or better shaped charges. Saying "but spall liners" is a bit like saying "but battlements".


Sorry, I had thought that through more and wasn't going to post that, but it somehow went through when I responded to another post. Disregard.
 
2013-05-21 06:50:54 AM  

evilsofa: Medic Zero: Who builds out of just concrete? It needs steel reinforcement inside it.

Oh, you want to build homes in Oklahoma with ICF walls instead of 2x6 frame?  Just increase the costs of your exterior walls by 2 or 3 times.  Say your original exterior wall cost was $6,000, now it's $20,000.

No problem.  So simple!  Right, guys?


I never said it was simple or cheap.
 
2013-05-21 06:53:47 AM  

Shadow Blasko: Holy
farking
shiat

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/oklahoma-gop-sen-tom-cobu r n-will-seek-to?ref=fpb


how about we offset it by cutting his pay,retirement and any benefits he might be receiving?
bastard was probably the leaker in the AP scandal too.
 
2013-05-21 06:56:07 AM  

esteban9: Bontesla: Shadow Blasko: Radar indicated tornado on the ground, hendricks county Indiana... headed towards (I can't believe I have to type this) THE SPEEDWAY.

We may need a thread to specifically address this day of hell - TWC says to be prepared for the same.

Tornadic outbreaks typically occur over more than one day, in different areas of the country.


This is the sequel to yesterday's activity. May be useful for Farkers in the path to check in.
 
2013-05-21 06:56:28 AM  

SomeOkieGirl: Thinking of you. I'm so sad she lost her home but glad she is okay.


HEY! You were mentioned yesterday. Some folks wondering if you were in the clear. (don't be such a stranger!) Good to see you! Going to be another long day today. You guys from DFW north keep your head on a swivel.

And while y'all are at it, keep the responders in your thoughts.
 
2013-05-21 06:56:57 AM  

Zotfripper: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/05/20/185622054/video-a-time - lapse-of-the-oklahoma-tornado?ft=1&f=1001

See if this link works. Crazy stuff.


Well he's intellectually consistent, I'll give him that.  Morally bankrupt, but consistent.
 
2013-05-21 06:58:18 AM  

Captain Swoop: nukeim: Captain Swoop: Shadow Blasko: nukeim: Captain Swoop: OK City scanners reporting more nasty weather imminent.....

Eh...This one aint gonna do squat.

It's gonna make rescue work wet and miserable, not to mention limiting light.

Exactly. The Command Post is calling in most units now who could be searching for survivors instead, so 'ain't gonna do squat' might matter a bit to somebody trapped under rubble.

I bet not a single person, or unit, stops searching...Not without a warm body taking their place anyway. Folks here don't operate like that.

*shrugs*

I just meant that it's not going to tear shiat up. No reason to get pissy.

Actually, they are... listening to scanner now. When bad weather hits, the command post calls in most units back to shelter pioints so that the searchers don't become storm victims themselves due to lightning, wind thrown debris (there is a lot of that now that wasn't there before the Tornado, so it doesn't have to 'tear shiat up' - it is already torn up and easily moved around now to hurt people). They will be back out the minute the front passes thru, but it still stops the action for a bit.

/Skywarn tornado spotter 81-89
//USAF Mishap response and Ground Search & Rescue 91-94
//not pissy, just trying to inform the uninformed


I'm not uninformed. I know at least a dozen guys working this right now, and not one of them is likely to stop due to a thunderstorm. I know several Moore firemen, a couple of cops, and 5 or 6 NG guys that are on-scene.I know these guys. I grew up in those neighborhoods. Two of my childhood homes were destroyed yesterday.

I've also done disaster recovery. More of it than what you're talking smack about with your slashies. Go inform somebody else.

/people splittin' hairs and being douchewaffles over it in disaster threads on Fark since 2001
 
2013-05-21 06:58:20 AM  

Medic Zero: Once somehow our nation was able to afford to build how many missile silos? The money is there somewhere. Or at least it used to be until CEO's started making 400 times what workers do and not paying taxes on any of it.


yeah a good chunk of all of our corporations are tax exempt because they greased enough palms
 
2013-05-21 07:01:56 AM  

nukeim: /people splittin' hairs and being douchewaffles over it in disaster threads on Fark since 2001


It's tradition.

glad you're ok BTW.
 
2013-05-21 07:02:37 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: SomeOkieGirl: Thinking of you. I'm so sad she lost her home but glad she is okay.

HEY! You were mentioned yesterday. Some folks wondering if you were in the clear. (don't be such a stranger!) Good to see you! Going to be another long day today. You guys from DFW north keep your head on a swivel.

And while y'all are at it, keep the responders in your thoughts.


I didn't see any mention of my name but I don't have TF anymore. I did check in on the original thread and was checking on basemetal and a few others. Everyone is okay around here. So sad for my friends and family that were no so lucky.

Good to see you as well! You guys are missed.
 
2013-05-21 07:03:59 AM  
Has there been any word on whether or not they were able to contain the oil spill? I haven't found any reference to it in the news. The oil was leaking out into a creek.
 
2013-05-21 07:07:10 AM  

nukeim: Captain Swoop: nukeim: Captain Swoop: Shadow Blasko: nukeim: Captain Swoop: OK City scanners reporting more nasty weather imminent.....

Eh...This one aint gonna do squat.

It's gonna make rescue work wet and miserable, not to mention limiting light.

Exactly. The Command Post is calling in most units now who could be searching for survivors instead, so 'ain't gonna do squat' might matter a bit to somebody trapped under rubble.

I bet not a single person, or unit, stops searching...Not without a warm body taking their place anyway. Folks here don't operate like that.

*shrugs*

I just meant that it's not going to tear shiat up. No reason to get pissy.

Actually, they are... listening to scanner now. When bad weather hits, the command post calls in most units back to shelter pioints so that the searchers don't become storm victims themselves due to lightning, wind thrown debris (there is a lot of that now that wasn't there before the Tornado, so it doesn't have to 'tear shiat up' - it is already torn up and easily moved around now to hurt people). They will be back out the minute the front passes thru, but it still stops the action for a bit.

/Skywarn tornado spotter 81-89
//USAF Mishap response and Ground Search & Rescue 91-94
//not pissy, just trying to inform the uninformed

I'm not uninformed. I know at least a dozen guys working this right now, and not one of them is likely to stop due to a thunderstorm. I know several Moore firemen, a couple of cops, and 5 or 6 NG guys that are on-scene.I know these guys. I grew up in those neighborhoods. Two of my childhood homes were destroyed yesterday.

I've also done disaster recovery. More of it than what you're talking smack about with your slashies. Go inform somebody else.

/people splittin' hairs and being douchewaffles over it in disaster threads on Fark since 2001


Glad you and your family is okay. Thinking about y'all.
 
2013-05-21 07:09:53 AM  
Good God!  I always hated tornados.  A Hurricane you know what to expect, but a tornado?  Never. Random, hop scotching destruction.
 
2013-05-21 07:10:03 AM  

ds_4815: tinfoil-hat maggie: Shadow Blasko: AlanSmithee: Fun fact: tornadoes in Australia spin in the opposite direction.

Fun fact, anti-cyclonic tornadoes happen in North America as well.

Really? I had no idea. Wow...

Rare, but yep, they happen. Coriolis force tends to give hurricanes the spin directions you'd normally associate with the hemisphere "rule", but tornadoes occur on too small a scale to be affected much by it. Wind shear's the main factor there.


God damn unpatriotic tornadoes!!!  In America we spin the correct way, the Murica way!!
 
2013-05-21 07:11:12 AM  
I feel bad for those kids.
 
2013-05-21 07:12:48 AM  
A family of four died hiding in a freezer? Dont take your tornado safety advice from indiana jones movies.
 
2013-05-21 07:12:59 AM  
The hospital is completely trashed. That's got to be rough.
 
2013-05-21 07:25:59 AM  

muck4doo: The hospital is completely trashed. That's got to be rough.


Was the hospital evacuated? It looks utterly destroyed but none of the dead seem to have originated there.
 
2013-05-21 07:27:32 AM  

Bontesla: muck4doo: The hospital is completely trashed. That's got to be rough.

Was the hospital evacuated? It looks utterly destroyed but none of the dead seem to have originated there.


Yes, it got evacuated.
 
2013-05-21 07:31:01 AM  
fark it Dude, let's go bowling
i2.cdn.turner.com
hot
 
2013-05-21 07:31:07 AM  

AlanSmithee: Bontesla: muck4doo: The hospital is completely trashed. That's got to be rough.

Was the hospital evacuated? It looks utterly destroyed but none of the dead seem to have originated there.

Yes, it got evacuated.


Good. I was hoping that was the case. It was unclear yesterday. I was listening to police dispatch trying to contact an unresponsive hospital. It was emotional.
 
2013-05-21 07:33:45 AM  

SlothB77: A family of four died hiding in a freezer? Dont take your tornado safety advice from indiana jones movies.


LULz
 
2013-05-21 07:34:56 AM  

SlothB77: A family of four died hiding in a freezer? Dont take your tornado safety advice from indiana jones movies.


nice.  It was a walk-in freezer, and normally those things survive tornadoes.  this is not a normal tornado.
 
2013-05-21 07:35:37 AM  

Medic Zero: evilsofa: Medic Zero: Who builds out of just concrete? It needs steel reinforcement inside it.

Oh, you want to build homes in Oklahoma with ICF walls instead of 2x6 frame?  Just increase the costs of your exterior walls by 2 or 3 times.  Say your original exterior wall cost was $6,000, now it's $20,000.

No problem.  So simple!  Right, guys?

I never said it was simple or cheap.


That's the same BS we heard after Andrew hit Homestead. Funny, all the homes were rebuilt, but to an entirely new standard. New rules were also put into place to make sure structures in a storm surge zone were built at least 6' - 9' off the ground.

I don't understand how you would want to live in a completely wood framed house where tornadoes are a possibility. At least if the walls are concrete/block, you lose the roof but the entire structure doesn't turn into toothpicks. But that's just me.

This is freaking horrifying to watch, hearts out to all those affected.
 
2013-05-21 07:36:28 AM  

SlothB77: A family of four died hiding in a freezer?


That's one big freezer. Mine holds two hookers, three at the most if they're crack whores.
 
2013-05-21 07:37:09 AM  
It's interesting to watch weathermen and reporters there this morning.  Their default mode is to always seem upbeat and energetic.  It's like they have to keep reminding themselves to tone it down a bit.
 
2013-05-21 07:39:51 AM  

SDRR: I don't understand how you would want to live in a completely wood framed house where tornadoes are a possibility. At least if the walls are concrete/block, you lose the roof but the entire structure doesn't turn into toothpicks. But that's just me.

This is freaking horrifying to watch, hearts out to all those affected.


Oklahoma is one of the cheapest places in the country to live.  The result is that we don't really have a lot of money for sturdy construction.
 
2013-05-21 07:43:39 AM  

reillan: SDRR: I don't understand how you would want to live in a completely wood framed house where tornadoes are a possibility. At least if the walls are concrete/block, you lose the roof but the entire structure doesn't turn into toothpicks. But that's just me.

This is freaking horrifying to watch, hearts out to all those affected.

Oklahoma is one of the cheapest places in the country to live.  The result is that we don't really have a lot of money for sturdy construction.


I think that tornado made Andrew look like a spring shower too, which isn't helping. Horrible.
 
2013-05-21 07:45:26 AM  

RockChalkH1N1: SlothB77: A family of four died hiding in a freezer? Dont take your tornado safety advice from indiana jones movies.

LULz


If that was the 7-11 one the walk in is one of the safest places you can go barring getting underground. Woke up to hail hitting our roof this morning. The southeast part of the state its supposed to get hit today. Brother and his wife just got finished with his new house in Atoka and he is up on an oil rig around Alva leaving his wife and their grandkids and kitty cats by themselves so if it turns to shiat later today might be making a trip down there
 
2013-05-21 07:46:41 AM  

SDRR: reillan: SDRR: I don't understand how you would want to live in a completely wood framed house where tornadoes are a possibility. At least if the walls are concrete/block, you lose the roof but the entire structure doesn't turn into toothpicks. But that's just me.

This is freaking horrifying to watch, hearts out to all those affected.

Oklahoma is one of the cheapest places in the country to live.  The result is that we don't really have a lot of money for sturdy construction.

I think that tornado made Andrew look like a spring shower too, which isn't helping. Horrible.


Many of the destroyed homes had brick in their construction too. Look at the school. It wasn't prefab wood. And it didn't fare much better.
 
2013-05-21 07:47:35 AM  

SlothB77: A family of four died hiding in a freezer? Dont take your tornado safety advice from indiana jones movies.


No, better to tie yourself to a large pipe.
 
2013-05-21 07:48:07 AM  

SDRR: At least if the walls are concrete/block, you lose the roof but the entire structure doesn't turn into toothpicks.


you lose the roof, and your neighbors lose their roofs, then all the pieces of those roofs then tear down those concrete/cinder block walls.

2x4s at tornado speeds go through concrete like they weren't even there.
 
2013-05-21 07:55:01 AM  

reillan: SlothB77: A family of four died hiding in a freezer? Dont take your tornado safety advice from indiana jones movies.

nice.  It was a walk-in freezer, and normally those things survive tornadoes.  this is not a normal tornado.


I keep mentioning the one in 2011 that hit us. The manager of the little c-store (likeable guy) seen it coming and went outside rushing customers inside to the walkin. That guy gets all my business now even if his store was on the other side of town. Back in '10 the one that hit the Loves on I40 and Choctaw the assistant manager went outside to rush people in and he ended up getting hit by debris
 
2013-05-21 07:59:31 AM  

Hobodeluxe: Shadow Blasko: Holy
farking
shiat

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/oklahoma-gop-sen-tom-cobu r n-will-seek-to?ref=fpb

how about we offset it by cutting his pay,retirement and any benefits he might be receiving?
bastard was probably the leaker in the AP scandal too.


Simple; cut other Federal aid that Oklahoma gets. Reduce military spending at bases, Federal highway money, whatever, if Coburn and Inhofe want to offset any disaster spending. Let's see how fast they change their tune then.
 
2013-05-21 08:07:27 AM  

SomeOkieGirl: I didn't see any mention of my name but I don't have TF anymore. I did check in on the original thread and was checking on basemetal and a few others. Everyone is okay around here. So sad for my friends and family that were no so lucky.


Your name came up in a GG conversation. I'll pass along the news of your okness if that's cool with you.

My heart is so heavy for those that lost family and friends. The stuff you can always get back...the people not so much. Y'all keep the responders in your thoughts as well...They have a long row to hoe in the next few days. I just heard that the Plaza Tower scene has been declared a "recovery" scene.

Shiat.
 
2013-05-21 08:07:28 AM  

Evilhippie: Not trying to rub salt in anyone's wound here, but I was sitting with my girlfriend and watching a newsfeed. It seems pretty much all houses in the path of the tornado are built with wood. I live in Northern Europe and we are used to some weather as well (no big tornadoes though). All our homes and buildings are built either with clay bricks or concrete - to offer proper shelter in e.g. a hurricane, and to keep heat inside during cold winters.

I just wonder, why on Earth would you build this many obviously vulnerable wooden homes in an area infamous for its rough weather? Haven't you guys ever heard of The Three Little Pigs?


I think wood frame houses are MUCH more common here in the US than over in Europe; you see them even in northern Maine, for example; yes, much of our housing stock isn't terribly energy efficient in winter time, but good insulation can help a LOT.  Just put extra in my condo (wooden) a few years back.

Now, you throw an F4 tornado at a quaint brick northern European town...and I bet you're going to get a lot of quaint brick shrapnel.

Same thing would happen in Boston, of course, with the brick townhouses here.
(And if we ever get a big earthquake...well, we're about due for one.)

Now, as far as concrete goes...did you see the picture of that medical center? yes, it was still standing, but it was pretty banged up.  Real tornadoes are no-fooling around, finger-of-god type weather...
 
2013-05-21 08:07:52 AM  

log_jammin: SDRR: At least if the walls are concrete/block, you lose the roof but the entire structure doesn't turn into toothpicks.

you lose the roof, and your neighbors lose their roofs, then all the pieces of those roofs then tear down those concrete/cinder block walls.

2x4s at tornado speeds go through concrete like they weren't even there.


Actually a reinforced concrete wall stops 2x4's pretty well; the board shatters on the outside without penetrating. Hollow concrete block or brick on a wood frame wall the 2x4 punches right through.

No, the only kind of structure that would have survived yesterday's tornado would have been a small, steel reinforced concrete building or room where the walls and roof were all cast as one unit, with steel tying everything together internally. Even then I'd want the concrete walls to be at least 8" thick and the door would be a concern; there was one image of a huge metal water tank that had been ripped from its support and thrown a half mile or more by the storm. The strength of this tornado was initially estimated at a strong EF4 but I expect it will be upgraded to EF5 once the assessment is finished.
 
2013-05-21 08:11:50 AM  

PunGent: Evilhippie: Not trying to rub salt in anyone's wound here, but I was sitting with my girlfriend and watching a newsfeed. It seems pretty much all houses in the path of the tornado are built with wood. I live in Northern Europe and we are used to some weather as well (no big tornadoes though). All our homes and buildings are built either with clay bricks or concrete - to offer proper shelter in e.g. a hurricane, and to keep heat inside during cold winters.

I just wonder, why on Earth would you build this many obviously vulnerable wooden homes in an area infamous for its rough weather? Haven't you guys ever heard of The Three Little Pigs?

I think wood frame houses are MUCH more common here in the US than over in Europe; you see them even in northern Maine, for example; yes, much of our housing stock isn't terribly energy efficient in winter time, but good insulation can help a LOT.  Just put extra in my condo (wooden) a few years back.

Now, you throw an F4 tornado at a quaint brick northern European town...and I bet you're going to get a lot of quaint brick shrapnel.

Same thing would happen in Boston, of course, with the brick townhouses here.
(And if we ever get a big earthquake...well, we're about due for one.)

Now, as far as concrete goes...did you see the picture of that medical center? yes, it was still standing, but it was pretty banged up.  Real tornadoes are no-fooling around, finger-of-god type weather...


Indeed. Makes me wonder if those saying "why don't you build your house of bricks?" really understand how powerful these tornadoes are. Do they get them in Europe?
 
2013-05-21 08:16:30 AM  
 
2013-05-21 08:17:27 AM  
So, Moore is now Less?
 
2013-05-21 08:20:14 AM  

muck4doo: Indeed. Makes me wonder if those saying "why don't you build your house of bricks?" really understand how powerful these tornadoes are. Do they get them in Europe?


Tornadoes in Europe

Looks like 3-5 a year, for the entire continent. During tornado season in the US, I'm fairly sure there's 3-5 on ground at any given moment, for the entire season.
 
2013-05-21 08:21:22 AM  

SDRR: Medic Zero: evilsofa: Medic Zero: Who builds out of just concrete? It needs steel reinforcement inside it.

Oh, you want to build homes in Oklahoma with ICF walls instead of 2x6 frame?  Just increase the costs of your exterior walls by 2 or 3 times.  Say your original exterior wall cost was $6,000, now it's $20,000.

No problem.  So simple!  Right, guys?

I never said it was simple or cheap.

That's the same BS we heard after Andrew hit Homestead. Funny, all the homes were rebuilt, but to an entirely new standard. New rules were also put into place to make sure structures in a storm surge zone were built at least 6' - 9' off the ground.

I don't understand how you would want to live in a completely wood framed house where tornadoes are a possibility. At least if the walls are concrete/block, you lose the roof but the entire structure doesn't turn into toothpicks. But that's just me.


Did you happen to see the pictures of the bowling ally or the school? I seem to remember a Home Depot in Joplin suffering a similar fate.

Concrete does not necessarily mean safe.
 
2013-05-21 08:22:00 AM  
As a tornado, I am getting a kick out of these responses.
 
2013-05-21 08:22:44 AM  

muck4doo: PunGent: Evilhippie: Not trying to rub salt in anyone's wound here, but I was sitting with my girlfriend and watching a newsfeed. It seems pretty much all houses in the path of the tornado are built with wood. I live in Northern Europe and we are used to some weather as well (no big tornadoes though). All our homes and buildings are built either with clay bricks or concrete - to offer proper shelter in e.g. a hurricane, and to keep heat inside during cold winters.

I just wonder, why on Earth would you build this many obviously vulnerable wooden homes in an area infamous for its rough weather? Haven't you guys ever heard of The Three Little Pigs?

I think wood frame houses are MUCH more common here in the US than over in Europe; you see them even in northern Maine, for example; yes, much of our housing stock isn't terribly energy efficient in winter time, but good insulation can help a LOT.  Just put extra in my condo (wooden) a few years back.

Now, you throw an F4 tornado at a quaint brick northern European town...and I bet you're going to get a lot of quaint brick shrapnel.

Same thing would happen in Boston, of course, with the brick townhouses here.
(And if we ever get a big earthquake...well, we're about due for one.)

Now, as far as concrete goes...did you see the picture of that medical center? yes, it was still standing, but it was pretty banged up.  Real tornadoes are no-fooling around, finger-of-god type weather...

Indeed. Makes me wonder if those saying "why don't you build your house of bricks?" really understand how powerful these tornadoes are. Do they get them in Europe?


It's not that, it's the degree of destruction, this isn't a binary equation. There are plenty of pictures of CBS walls that failed, but in spots. The wood framed houses look like someone dumped a box of toothpicks on the lot where the house once stood.
 
2013-05-21 08:23:59 AM  
www.wwe.com
Unavailable for comment.
 
2013-05-21 08:24:31 AM  

jimmyjackfunk: reillan: SlothB77: A family of four died hiding in a freezer? Dont take your tornado safety advice from indiana jones movies.

nice.  It was a walk-in freezer, and normally those things survive tornadoes.  this is not a normal tornado.

I keep mentioning the one in 2011 that hit us. The manager of the little c-store (likeable guy) seen it coming and went outside rushing customers inside to the walkin. That guy gets all my business now even if his store was on the other side of town.


Oh, sure, I fill MY walk-in with people, and do they call ME a hero?

No, no they do not.  It's all "Monster!  Cannibal!  Eek!  Put down that saw!"

No appreciation whatsoever.
 
2013-05-21 08:24:34 AM  

jimmyjackfunk: reillan: SlothB77: A family of four died hiding in a freezer? Dont take your tornado safety advice from indiana jones movies.

nice.  It was a walk-in freezer, and normally those things survive tornadoes.  this is not a normal tornado.

I keep mentioning the one in 2011 that hit us. The manager of the little c-store (likeable guy) seen it coming and went outside rushing customers inside to the walkin. That guy gets all my business now even if his store was on the other side of town. Back in '10 the one that hit the Loves on I40 and Choctaw the assistant manager went outside to rush people in and he ended up getting hit by debris


Yeah, a friend of my dad's was at the one in Catoosa back in 93, and rushed to help people affected after the building collapsed.  It wasn't until he finally sat down hours later that the bleeding in his brain took him (no one had even known he had been hit by any debris).
 
2013-05-21 08:26:32 AM  
So, over 100 people pulled from rubble last night?   That's a bright spot.

/raining like a mother here right now
 
2013-05-21 08:26:33 AM  

Fiction Fan: [www.wwe.com image 175x200]
Unavailable for comment.


And his opponent:

www.onlineworldofwrestling.com
 
2013-05-21 08:26:41 AM  
Not trying to rub salt in anyone's wound here, but I was sitting with my girlfriend and watching a newsfeed. It seems pretty much all houses in the path of the tornado are built with wood. I live in Northern Europe and we are used to some weather as well (no big tornadoes though). All our homes and buildings are built either with clay bricks or concrete - to offer proper shelter in e.g. a hurricane, and to keep heat inside during cold winters.

I just wonder, why on Earth would you build this many obviously vulnerable wooden homes in an area infamous for its rough weather? Haven't you guys ever heard of The Three Little Pigs?


----
www.jazzwax.com
You mean these guys?
 
2013-05-21 08:26:53 AM  

patchvonbraun: You know, I've never been involved in a tornado, but I have repeating nighmares about them.



Oh man, I hear you. I've never been anywhere close to being involved in one, but to me, the thought of something literally coming out of the sky and destroying entire cities is an absolutely terrifying thought.
 
2013-05-21 08:28:33 AM  

CCTV footage from a gas station

that is no longer there
 
2013-05-21 08:30:04 AM  

italie: SDRR: Medic Zero: evilsofa: Medic Zero: Who builds out of just concrete? It needs steel reinforcement inside it.

Oh, you want to build homes in Oklahoma with ICF walls instead of 2x6 frame?  Just increase the costs of your exterior walls by 2 or 3 times.  Say your original exterior wall cost was $6,000, now it's $20,000.

No problem.  So simple!  Right, guys?

I never said it was simple or cheap.

That's the same BS we heard after Andrew hit Homestead. Funny, all the homes were rebuilt, but to an entirely new standard. New rules were also put into place to make sure structures in a storm surge zone were built at least 6' - 9' off the ground.

I don't understand how you would want to live in a completely wood framed house where tornadoes are a possibility. At least if the walls are concrete/block, you lose the roof but the entire structure doesn't turn into toothpicks. But that's just me.

Did you happen to see the pictures of the bowling ally or the school? I seem to remember a Home Depot in Joplin suffering a similar fate.

Concrete does not necessarily mean safe.


One thing I learned from Joplin is that those big-box buildings made of vertical concrete slabs with a steel-frame roof can turn into utter deathtraps in a violent tornado. (Think Home Depot/Lowe's, Costco/Sam's Club, etc etc.) Those basically rely on the roof to keep the integrity of the structure intact. Which is all well and good, until an F4/F5 rips off the roof, and suddenly there's nothing helping to hold up those vertical slabs.

There were, as I recall, 6 or 8 people who died in the Joplin Home Depot because they had run in from the parking lot for shelter, only to be crushed when the roof disappeared and those concrete wall slabs tipped over on them.
 
2013-05-21 08:30:51 AM  

LawrencePerson: More tornado footage.


was the middle video photo-shopped? I'm not sure I understand this...

i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-21 08:33:10 AM  
img819.imageshack.us
 
2013-05-21 08:35:01 AM  
"was the middle video photo-shopped"

technically you can Photoshop (no hyphen) a video, but it's tough to do.
Comes out grainy, usually has to be in GIF format, even when you manage it out of GIF it's still in low quality and you can create something faster, more believable and fun to watch in Motion, After Effects or Final Cut. Hell, even Sony Vegas or iMovie can do it better with a video than Photoshop.

So to answer your question, I don't know.
But probably not Photoshop. Probably After Effects.
 
2013-05-21 08:36:01 AM  
 You know, I've never been involved in a tornado, but I have repeating nighmares about them.====


I have this recurring nightmare where i am a tornado in my underwear in class.
Once I was even a naked tornado.
 
2013-05-21 08:37:00 AM  

muck4doo: Do they get them in Europe?


No, there are really only very few places on Earth that have the conditions to create something like this. They have no equivalent in Europe.
 
2013-05-21 08:37:37 AM  

log_jammin: SDRR: At least if the walls are concrete/block, you lose the roof but the entire structure doesn't turn into toothpicks.

you lose the roof, and your neighbors lose their roofs, then all the pieces of those roofs then tear down those concrete/cinder block walls.

2x4s at tornado speeds go through concrete like they weren't even there.


Stop it with this stupidity. 2X4s aimed to perfectly to hit a non-reinforced cinder block wall, head on at 200mph, will go through it. Reinforced concrete stops them though. To pretend they're the same as a 2X6 wall is stupid.
 
2013-05-21 08:37:44 AM  

Fiction Fan: "was the middle video photo-shopped"

technically you can Photoshop (no hyphen) a video, but it's tough to do.
Comes out grainy, usually has to be in GIF format, even when you manage it out of GIF it's still in low quality and you can create something faster, more believable and fun to watch in Motion, After Effects or Final Cut. Hell, even Sony Vegas or iMovie can do it better with a video than Photoshop.

So to answer your question, I don't know.
But probably not Photoshop. Probably After Effects.


I think he meant the image used at the front of the video.  If you click on it to play it, the video is totally different than the starting image.
 
2013-05-21 08:39:25 AM  

Confabulat: muck4doo: Do they get them in Europe?

No, there are really only very few places on Earth that have the conditions to create something like this. They have no equivalent in Europe.


I always wonder why God hates the Bible Belt.
 
2013-05-21 08:41:00 AM  
img824.imageshack.us

NEVER call Disaster Girl a "Boogerhead." EVER.
 
2013-05-21 08:43:25 AM  

WippitGuud: CCTV footage from a gas station

that is no longer there

Not too bad, but meh, they didn't even lose power. On the other hand, I expect we'll start to see CCTV videos like this one from Joplin filtering out over the next few days.
 
2013-05-21 08:46:26 AM  
I always wonder why God hates the Bible Belt.

---
I always wondered why the Three Bears never ate Goldilocks until I realized it was nothing but a story.
 
2013-05-21 08:47:13 AM  
i1182.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-21 08:47:18 AM  
I live in mid Michigan and we don't really have tornadoes here. Grew up in Iowa, saw a couple F3s and F4s myself.  Glad I don't have to deal with them as much anymore...but I did just realize there's not really a 'safe' place in my house right now. Unlikely I'd need one, but still...

/should research something someday
 
2013-05-21 08:49:22 AM  

impaler: log_jammin: SDRR: At least if the walls are concrete/block, you lose the roof but the entire structure doesn't turn into toothpicks.

you lose the roof, and your neighbors lose their roofs, then all the pieces of those roofs then tear down those concrete/cinder block walls.

2x4s at tornado speeds go through concrete like they weren't even there.

Stop it with this stupidity. 2X4s aimed to perfectly to hit a non-reinforced cinder block wall, head on at 200mph, will go through it. Reinforced concrete stops them though. To pretend they're the same as a 2X6 wall is stupid.


Wtf?
 
2013-05-21 08:49:32 AM  

Confabulat: muck4doo: Do they get them in Europe?

No, there are really only very few places on Earth that have the conditions to create something like this. They have no equivalent in Europe.


Yeah, doing more reading on this, and it looks like there are places around the world that get F0-F3 tornadoes on occasion, but the killer F4 and F5's are extremely rare outside of tornado alley in the U.S.

I live in North Austin, we are the tail end of Tornado Alley, but did get 2 really big ones in recent history in Cedar Park and Jarrell that aren't far from here. A huge tornado isn't something I really care to personally witness in my lifetime, even from miles away. Even though a couple of years ago there was a tornado warning a couple of years ago going right over my little neighborhood, and I went outside to see if there really was anything touching down. Thought I would have plenty of time to go inside to the bathtub.

/That was dumb.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-05-21 08:49:50 AM  

Mr_H: I live in mid Michigan and we don't really have tornadoes here. Grew up in Iowa, saw a couple F3s and F4s myself.  Glad I don't have to deal with them as much anymore...but I did just realize there's not really a 'safe' place in my house right now. Unlikely I'd need one, but still...

/should research something someday


I'm not sure there was safe place for this one.  God was playing dice... life and death was just chance.
 
2013-05-21 08:53:47 AM  

nukeim: Yup.  I mean...We had go-bags for the kids by the back door, I stocked the storm shelter with water, chairs, LED lanterns, etc...We also had a plan for how to do things if it hit the fan. It did, plan was enacted...And VOILA! No tornado at my house. Just baseball sized hail.But my wife is paranoid, and is a list-maker and a level VII planner...Most people? Not so much.I'm just agog that Moore got hit AGAIN. I grew up there, and both of the houses I grew up in are now gone. I feel so bad for the kids...That had to be absolutely terrifying. :(


The thing I was wondering is that there was a spot where the two tracks they were showing crossed each other, but I couldn't tell from the map whether it was a bunch of fields outside the suburbs still, or whether some people might have got hit in both 99 and now 13.
 
2013-05-21 08:59:54 AM  

xria: nukeim: Yup.  I mean...We had go-bags for the kids by the back door, I stocked the storm shelter with water, chairs, LED lanterns, etc...We also had a plan for how to do things if it hit the fan. It did, plan was enacted...And VOILA! No tornado at my house. Just baseball sized hail.But my wife is paranoid, and is a list-maker and a level VII planner...Most people? Not so much.I'm just agog that Moore got hit AGAIN. I grew up there, and both of the houses I grew up in are now gone. I feel so bad for the kids...That had to be absolutely terrifying. :(

The thing I was wondering is that there was a spot where the two tracks they were showing crossed each other, but I couldn't tell from the map whether it was a bunch of fields outside the suburbs still, or whether some people might have got hit in both 99 and now 13.


s.imwx.com

And http://kfor.com/2013/05/20/interactive-map-1999-2003-2013-moore-torna d oes/ which kind of shorts the 1999 path.

Looks like it's mostly open, but there's some widely-spaced houses which would have been in the path of both.
 
2013-05-21 09:03:46 AM  

Mr_H: I live in mid Michigan and we don't really have tornadoes here. Grew up in Iowa, saw a couple F3s and F4s myself.  Glad I don't have to deal with them as much anymore...but I did just realize there's not really a 'safe' place in my house right now. Unlikely I'd need one, but still...

/should research something someday


I'm in southeast Michigan.  We get tornados pretty much every year, but since most of this area is either farmland or woods, the only real damage is like half an acre of lost produce.  Not exactly news-worthy.

That said, my tornado safe room is the bathroom in the basement.  No windows and underground.
 
2013-05-21 09:09:57 AM  

wxboy: xria: nukeim: Yup.  I mean...We had go-bags for the kids by the back door, I stocked the storm shelter with water, chairs, LED lanterns, etc...We also had a plan for how to do things if it hit the fan. It did, plan was enacted...And VOILA! No tornado at my house. Just baseball sized hail.But my wife is paranoid, and is a list-maker and a level VII planner...Most people? Not so much.I'm just agog that Moore got hit AGAIN. I grew up there, and both of the houses I grew up in are now gone. I feel so bad for the kids...That had to be absolutely terrifying. :(

The thing I was wondering is that there was a spot where the two tracks they were showing crossed each other, but I couldn't tell from the map whether it was a bunch of fields outside the suburbs still, or whether some people might have got hit in both 99 and now 13.

[s.imwx.com image 650x366]

And http://kfor.com/2013/05/20/interactive-map-1999-2003-2013-moore-torna d oes/ which kind of shorts the 1999 path.

Looks like it's mostly open, but there's some widely-spaced houses which would have been in the path of both.


Yesterday's track is more consistent with a right-moving supercell, which are in general more severe.
 
2013-05-21 09:10:03 AM  
CNN just said that the picture of the "couple" walking down the street where the man is holding the girl and the woman has the black eye holding another girls hand isn't parents but in fact teachers.  I've heard a few stories of hero teachers coming from this.  When this is all said and done we Farkers need to make our way down to OK and buy a few rounds....
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-05-21 09:11:38 AM  

xria: The thing I was wondering is that there was a spot where the two tracks they were showing crossed each other, but I couldn't tell from the map whether it was a bunch of fields outside the suburbs still, or whether some people might have got hit in both 99 and now 13.


I believe that CNN talked about a church this morning that got hit in both storms...
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-05-21 09:13:46 AM  

PacificaFitz: CNN just said that the picture of the "couple" walking down the street where the man is holding the girl and the woman has the black eye holding another girls hand isn't parents but in fact teachers.  I've heard a few stories of hero teachers coming from this.  When this is all said and done we Farkers need to make our way down to OK and buy a few rounds....


no doubt:

jobs besides teaching teachers are supposed to do:
Psychologist
Medical Doctor
Family Therapist
Coach
**new** Disaster Planning Coordinator

future:
Armed Bodyguard
 
2013-05-21 09:16:25 AM  
CNN just said

www.jamminshirts.com

But to your credit, at least you aren't flipping the channel over to FOX.
/thinks bbc america has a doctor who re-run from the Eccleston era going right now...
 
2013-05-21 09:17:29 AM  
It's days like this that I realize living in a ranch style home is not wise in my area.
 
2013-05-21 09:19:57 AM  

Bontesla: It's days like this that I realize living in a ranch style home is not wise in my area.


My suggestion: partially-buried hobbit house.
 
2013-05-21 09:23:23 AM  

WippitGuud: CCTV footage from a gas station that is no longer there


That's terrifying.
 
2013-05-21 09:25:16 AM  

LasersHurt: Bontesla: It's days like this that I realize living in a ranch style home is not wise in my area.

My suggestion: partially-buried hobbit house.


Under Tulsa is a huge system of caverns dug out by coal mining.  I say we kick the miners out and move everyone into that.
 
2013-05-21 09:31:36 AM  

LasersHurt: Bontesla: It's days like this that I realize living in a ranch style home is not wise in my area.

My suggestion: partially-buried hobbit house.


I've always wanted to live in one - or a cave. There was a House Hunters International episode about a couple that wanted to buy a home in a cave. I think it was in France. They spent less than 200k USD.
 
2013-05-21 09:32:29 AM  
i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2013-05-21 09:34:23 AM  
This is an AMERICAN mess!  fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net
 
2013-05-21 09:34:32 AM  
Prediction of possible supercell formation for 0z (6pm) today by the SPC. Take note of the Ark/TX/OK and esp. Oklahoma City, AGAIN.
www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov
 
2013-05-21 09:38:02 AM  
They just said on NPR that the death count has been revised down to 24.
 
2013-05-21 09:39:14 AM  

d23: xria: The thing I was wondering is that there was a spot where the two tracks they were showing crossed each other, but I couldn't tell from the map whether it was a bunch of fields outside the suburbs still, or whether some people might have got hit in both 99 and now 13.

I believe that CNN talked about a church this morning that got hit in both storms...


Ah, so THAT's what God is after...
 
2013-05-21 09:39:52 AM  

Random Name Generator: Prediction of possible supercell formation for 0z (6pm) today by the SPC. Take note of the Ark/TX/OK and esp. Oklahoma City, AGAIN.


That's really for today? That almost looks like yesterday's mess.
 
2013-05-21 09:40:18 AM  

wxboy: They just said on NPR that the death count has been revised down to 24.


Hope that's true.
 
2013-05-21 09:41:15 AM  

thisisyourbrainonFark: No chance. Video in the last seconds is astonishing.

http://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/2013/05/20/2344735/


That is officially a 'wet-your-pants' kind of close-up video (from about the :31 mark on).
 
2013-05-21 09:41:53 AM  

esteban9: d23: xria: The thing I was wondering is that there was a spot where the two tracks they were showing crossed each other, but I couldn't tell from the map whether it was a bunch of fields outside the suburbs still, or whether some people might have got hit in both 99 and now 13.

I believe that CNN talked about a church this morning that got hit in both storms...

Ah, so THAT's what God is after...


We get it. Something bad happened. So therefore no God. You aren't breaking new ground here.
 
2013-05-21 09:42:06 AM  

wxboy: They just said on NPR that the death count has been revised down to 24.


Down from 91? 51?
 
2013-05-21 09:43:26 AM  

Bontesla: wxboy: They just said on NPR that the death count has been revised down to 24.

Down from 91? 51?


They weren't really clear on that, but they said the medical examiner was saying that some victims had been counted twice.
 
2013-05-21 09:45:26 AM  

wxboy: Bontesla: wxboy: They just said on NPR that the death count has been revised down to 24.

Down from 91? 51?

They weren't really clear on that, but they said the medical examiner was saying that some victims had been counted twice.


Ah. So maybe it's still @ 51. They said there were 40 more bodies expected (half of which are supposed to be kids). Perhaps it's the 40 they're still waiting for that have been overcounted. Here's to hoping....
 
2013-05-21 09:45:31 AM  

Bontesla: wxboy: They just said on NPR that the death count has been revised down to 24.

Down from 91? 51?


Either one. Word is they may have counted victims more than once by accident so the total is now 24. I'm sure that may go up as they keep digging through today but it's at least a better number to work from.
 
2013-05-21 09:46:00 AM  

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: Cinder block is no match for 200 mph debris. Here is what 35 mph does with a 2x4. Now imagine an entire neighborhood's 2x4's, trucks, trees, poles, vans, cars..... Hitting your structure.

Cinderblock near mid video


I'll take a fabric screen, please.
 
2013-05-21 09:46:11 AM  

wxboy: They just said on NPR that the death count has been revised down to 24.


For the whole mess, or just for the school?

I thought the country coronor had 50 confirmed dead last night.

Unless, of course, they now have to content with a zombie outbreak as well.
 
2013-05-21 09:46:58 AM  

muck4doo: wxboy: They just said on NPR that the death count has been revised down to 24.

Hope that's true.


I doubt even though it would be great.  The medical examiner confirmed 51 deaths so that is pretty much a fact.
 
2013-05-21 09:48:09 AM  
Savannah Guthrie from the Today Show keeps calling it "Moore, North Carolina", then she catches it & corrects herself. Probably jet lag. The Today Show was supposed to be broadcasting from Hawaii all week. They did yesterday's show in HI & this morning they're all in OK.
 
2013-05-21 09:48:34 AM  

mrshowrules: muck4doo: wxboy: They just said on NPR that the death count has been revised down to 24.

Hope that's true.

I doubt even though it would be great.  The medical examiner confirmed 51 deaths so that is pretty much a fact.


I'm really hoping there was an over count. I'm usually mad when media gets things wrong, but in this case, I'll love it.
 
2013-05-21 09:49:46 AM  
 
2013-05-21 09:50:35 AM  

muck4doo: mrshowrules: muck4doo: wxboy: They just said on NPR that the death count has been revised down to 24.

Hope that's true.

I doubt even though it would be great.  The medical examiner confirmed 51 deaths so that is pretty much a fact.

I'm really hoping there was an over count. I'm usually mad when media gets things wrong, but in this case, I'll love it.


It would be really cool.  I just can't imagine this type of mistake being made though.
 
2013-05-21 09:52:09 AM  

wxboy: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/oklahoma-medical-examiners-office-r e vises-death-toll-down-to-24-including-7-children.php

Looks like it was revised down from 51 to 24, and down to 7 kids from 20.


some people may have been counted more than once?  If you have 24 bodies that means your in a circular room counting the bodies and just keep going around and around?  WTF?
 
2013-05-21 09:52:17 AM  

wxboy: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/oklahoma-medical-examiners-office-r e vises-death-toll-down-to-24-including-7-children.php

Looks like it was revised down from 51 to 24, and down to 7 kids from 20.


That's good news.
 
2013-05-21 09:52:34 AM  

wxboy: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/oklahoma-medical-examiners-office-r e vises-death-toll-down-to-24-including-7-children.php

Looks like it was revised down from 51 to 24, and down to 7 kids from 20.


Still horrible, but hoping that is true and the death toll goes down.
 
2013-05-21 09:53:38 AM  

PacificaFitz: wxboy: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/oklahoma-medical-examiners-office-r e vises-death-toll-down-to-24-including-7-children.php

Looks like it was revised down from 51 to 24, and down to 7 kids from 20.

some people may have been counted more than once?  If you have 24 bodies that means your in a circular room counting the bodies and just keep going around and around?  WTF?


Must have combined a field count with a count to where they transported the bodies.  Something like that but that is a terrible mistake to make.
 
2013-05-21 09:55:27 AM  

mrshowrules: PacificaFitz: wxboy: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/oklahoma-medical-examiners-office-r e vises-death-toll-down-to-24-including-7-children.php

Looks like it was revised down from 51 to 24, and down to 7 kids from 20.

some people may have been counted more than once?  If you have 24 bodies that means your in a circular room counting the bodies and just keep going around and around?  WTF?

Must have combined a field count with a count to where they transported the bodies.  Something like that but that is a terrible mistake to make.


yeah, but this is a seriously extreme situation.  We can forgive this one
 
2013-05-21 09:56:53 AM  

PacificaFitz: wxboy: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/oklahoma-medical-examiners-office-r e vises-death-toll-down-to-24-including-7-children.php

Looks like it was revised down from 51 to 24, and down to 7 kids from 20.

some people may have been counted more than once?  If you have 24 bodies that means your in a circular room counting the bodies and just keep going around and around?  WTF?


That means that someone is counting the number of body bags leaving a site (say, the school, for example); someone else is counting the number of bodies in the morgue; and a third person is adding up the two without thinking checking to see if they are the same.
 
2013-05-21 10:04:39 AM  

mrshowrules: muck4doo: mrshowrules: muck4doo: wxboy: They just said on NPR that the death count has been revised down to 24.

Hope that's true.

I doubt even though it would be great.  The medical examiner confirmed 51 deaths so that is pretty much a fact.

I'm really hoping there was an over count. I'm usually mad when media gets things wrong, but in this case, I'll love it.

It would be really cool.  I just can't imagine this type of mistake being made though.


Yeah, those Oklahoma schools are known for being excellent in math and science.
 
2013-05-21 10:04:48 AM  

FullMetalPanda: ds_4815: tinfoil-hat maggie: Shadow Blasko: AlanSmithee: Fun fact: tornadoes in Australia spin in the opposite direction.

Fun fact, anti-cyclonic tornadoes happen in North America as well.

Really? I had no idea. Wow...

Rare, but yep, they happen. Coriolis force tends to give hurricanes the spin directions you'd normally associate with the hemisphere "rule", but tornadoes occur on too small a scale to be affected much by it. Wind shear's the main factor there.

God damn unpatriotic tornadoes!!!  In America we spin the correct way, the Murica way!!


The ones that spin in the other direction are artificially created.
 
2013-05-21 10:06:13 AM  

TanSau: Let's be honest here.

If you live in a tornado or hurricane prone area, and don't have a home/school constructed like this:

http://www.monolithic.com/

Then I have no sympathy for you.


Nice advertisement.
 
2013-05-21 10:09:33 AM  

TanSau: Let's be honest here.

If you live in a tornado or hurricane prone area, and don't have a home/school constructed like this:

http://www.monolithic.com/

Then I have no sympathy for you.


That's hilarious. I suppose the entire Eastern coast of the USA needs to adopt your little hobbit homes before you are willing to shed a tear if they die. You are a very wise person, said no one ever.
 
2013-05-21 10:09:45 AM  

maxheck: Does anyone know any S. OK lakes to float in and just be?


Lake Texoma, but if you don't mind going a bit north and east, you might give Mother Nature a nod by visiting Lake Tenkiller.
 
2013-05-21 10:12:36 AM  

Medic Zero: orbister: Medic Zero: Tanks have had spall liners since WW2

Of course. So you use bigger missiles, or better shaped charges. Saying "but spall liners" is a bit like saying "but battlements".

Sorry, I had thought that through more and wasn't going to post that, but it somehow went through when I responded to another post. Disregard.


'Sfine. Wasn't trying to pick a fight, just point out that just because a projectile is stopped by a barrier may not mean the end of your problems on the other side.
 
2013-05-21 10:13:02 AM  
Good speech by Obama.
 
2013-05-21 10:15:50 AM  

muck4doo: Good speech by Obama.


He always gets it right.
 
2013-05-21 10:16:38 AM  

TanSau: Confabulat: TanSau: Let's be honest here.

If you live in a tornado or hurricane prone area, and don't have a home/school constructed like this:

http://www.monolithic.com/

Then I have no sympathy for you.

That's hilarious. I suppose the entire Eastern coast of the USA needs to adopt your little hobbit homes before you are willing to shed a tear if they die. You are a very wise person, said no one ever.

Not my company.

and you're right, the entire east coast needs to have a strong infrastructure.

You'll be crying on the doorstep of those hobbit homes during/after a Cat 5 or F5

BTW, you're part of the problem.


Where do you live at that is immune to natural disasters?
 
2013-05-21 10:18:27 AM  
The thing that seriously bugs me about these tornades is: why doesn't anyone in Tornado Alley have basements?

I don't buy the "water-table's too high" argument.  Buy a freaking sump pump, if you're afraid of water seeping in.
 
2013-05-21 10:19:29 AM  

mrshowrules: I doubt even though it would be great.  The medical examiner confirmed 51 deaths so that is pretty much a fact.


The medical examiners office is the one dropping the figures. From the BBC report:

"We have got good news. The number right now is 24," Amy Elliott, chief administrative officer at the Oklahoma Office of the Chief Medical Examiner, told reporters.

The death tolls from most disasters are massively overstated at first. It's a combination of press salaciousness, well-meaning disorganisation and the desire to bring in as much money as possible in the way of donations. For example, when Oxfam launches an appeal for victims of a disaster somewhere, it's usually safe to divide their claimed number by two or four to get the truth.

Snarky? Well yes, but then it's a good thing, isn't it?
 
2013-05-21 10:19:38 AM  

mrshowrules: muck4doo: Good speech by Obama.

He His speechwriter always gets it right.


But, yeah.  Good speech.
 
2013-05-21 10:21:04 AM  

Flab: these tornadoes is


/FTFM.
 
2013-05-21 10:22:42 AM  

mrshowrules: muck4doo: Good speech by Obama.

He always gets it right.


I'm as Conservative as it gets, but I agree. He gets it right in times of disaster. Reagan was also pretty good at that. Both have/had the power to bring a Nation up when things have gone wrong. Both Bush's and Clinton could also do that at times, but not with the same mastery Reagan and Obama do/did. Carter would just scare me. I have confidence Obama will take care of this situation the best he can as more info comes in.
 
2013-05-21 10:25:20 AM  

PacificaFitz: wxboy: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/oklahoma-medical-examiners-office-r e vises-death-toll-down-to-24-including-7-children.php

Looks like it was revised down from 51 to 24, and down to 7 kids from 20.

some people may have been counted more than once?  If you have 24 bodies that means your in a circular room counting the bodies and just keep going around and around?  WTF?


Or, you know, the bodies weren't all whole...
 
2013-05-21 10:26:07 AM  

Flab: mrshowrules: muck4doo: Good speech by Obama.

He His speechwriter always gets it right.

But, yeah.  Good speech.


I'm sure he is the first President to have others write speeches for him ever, Right?

Look, it's not just the words, but how someone delivers it. Obama is good at it. Give credit where it is due.

/Not answering anything more on this. Feels like the politics tab now.
 
2013-05-21 10:28:47 AM  

Flab: The thing that seriously bugs me about these tornades is: why doesn't anyone in Tornado Alley have basements?

I don't buy the "water-table's too high" argument.  Buy a freaking sump pump, if you're afraid of water seeping in.


Seriously? This has been answered about 500 times. The ground is incredibly hard in many parts of OK. It is cost prohibitive and/or impossible to build basements in many areas.
 
2013-05-21 10:29:15 AM  

Flab: The thing that seriously bugs me about these tornades is: why doesn't anyone in Tornado Alley have basements?

I don't buy the "water-table's too high" argument.  Buy a freaking sump pump, if you're afraid of water seeping in.


Because you don't need them.  You dont have to worry about a frost line going very deep in the winter, so theres no need to have utilities buried 6+ feet deep like we do here in Iowa.  Since you dont have to have your utilities so deep, theres no need for a basement, you can just build a house on a slab.  Saves $10-20,000 on the construction cost of a single family home.
 
2013-05-21 10:30:52 AM  

Flab: The thing that seriously bugs me about these tornades is: why doesn't anyone in Tornado Alley have basements?

I don't buy the "water-table's too high" argument.  Buy a freaking sump pump, if you're afraid of water seeping in.


Seeing as someone posted that a tornado bunker is only about $3K, the real question is why they don't have those.  I assume a basement must cost more than $30K to have.  The building code should require a tornado shelter within a 100 yards of any primary residence.
 
2013-05-21 10:31:50 AM  

muck4doo: Flab: mrshowrules: muck4doo: Good speech by Obama.

He His speechwriter always gets it right.

But, yeah.  Good speech.

I'm sure he is the first President to have others write speeches for him ever, Right?

Look, it's not just the words, but how someone delivers it. Obama is good at it. Give credit where it is due.

/Not answering anything more on this. Feels like the politics tab now.


It was not meant to be a political jab.  I agree, he's a great orator, and probably has personal input into the content of the speech as well.

And quite frankly, I WANT him to have speechwriters.  He should have been on the phone with people coordinating stuff  from 2:45PM yesterday until this morning, not sitting at his computer writing a speech.
 
2013-05-21 10:32:03 AM  

dave2198: Or, you know, the bodies weren't all whole...


Or they didn't actually have bodies, just guesses that there may have been n people in this building and m of them may have got out, and did you hear that there's another building on fire and there must have been half a dozen in it and so on. Everybody loves a disaster so all the worst-case guesses are added together, bundled with a few verifiable facts and sold on to the public just as subprime mortgages were sold to investors with a few solid loans thrown in to sweeten the deal.
 
2013-05-21 10:32:03 AM  

muck4doo: mrshowrules: muck4doo: Good speech by Obama.

He always gets it right.

I'm as Conservative as it gets, but I agree. He gets it right in times of disaster. Reagan was also pretty good at that. Both have/had the power to bring a Nation up when things have gone wrong. Both Bush's and Clinton could also do that at times, but not with the same mastery Reagan and Obama do/did. Carter would just scare me. I have confidence Obama will take care of this situation the best he can as more info comes in.


I'm as Liberal as they come but I also think Dubya came off as sincere when he did this stuff.
 
2013-05-21 10:33:05 AM  

Flab: The thing that seriously bugs me about these tornades is: why doesn't anyone in Tornado Alley have basements?

I don't buy the "water-table's too high" argument.  Buy a freaking sump pump, if you're afraid of water seeping in.


Sump pumps usually run on electrical power, which frequently fails during violent storms.

Make your argument to the parents of the kids who farking drowned in their school's farking basement.
 
2013-05-21 10:34:29 AM  

BillTheCat: Flab: The thing that seriously bugs me about these tornades is: why doesn't anyone in Tornado Alley have basements?

I don't buy the "water-table's too high" argument.  Buy a freaking sump pump, if you're afraid of water seeping in.

Because you don't need them.  You dont have to worry about a frost line going very deep in the winter, so theres no need to have utilities buried 6+ feet deep like we do here in Iowa.  Since you dont have to have your utilities so deep, theres no need for a basement, you can just build a house on a slab.  Saves $10-20,000 on the construction cost of a single family home.


Makes sense.  I live in Ottawa in Canada and I don't know a single person who doesn't have a basement.  Some cottages but all primary residences of people I know, have at least 3/4 basements.
 
2013-05-21 10:34:53 AM  

Flab: He should have been on the phone with people coordinating stuff  from 2:45PM yesterday until this morning, not sitting at his computer writing a speech.


Really? You think the President of the United States of America should be making phone calls to do hands on organisation of relief efforts for (in the great scheme of things) a tiny, localised bit of extremely bad weather?
 
2013-05-21 10:37:23 AM  
My employer has started an internal fund to donate to the Red Cross.  All employee donations will be matched by the company.

I'd like to encourage y'all to help out in your own way, if you can.
 
2013-05-21 10:39:22 AM  
farm8.staticflickr.com
 
2013-05-21 10:40:11 AM  

dave2198: The ground is incredibly hard in many parts of OK.


1. Dig until you hit bedrock.
2. Pour reinforced concrete foundation.
3. Pack dirt around it to make it look like a basement.

Just like we do up here in Kanukistan.  My basement floor is probably not more than 2' lower than the street.

BillTheCat: Since you dont have to have your utilities so deep, theres no need for a basement, you can just build a house on a slab.

  Saves $10-20,000 on the construction cost of a single family home.

Maybe it's just me, but I'd prefer spending the extra 10 grand to have a saferoom, rather than having familiy members decapitated by flying 2x4s and appliances.
 
2013-05-21 10:42:05 AM  

Flab: It was not meant to be a political jab.


Yes it was, and this isn't the time for that.
 
2013-05-21 10:46:07 AM  

dave2198: Flab: The thing that seriously bugs me about these tornades is: why doesn't anyone in Tornado Alley have basements?

I don't buy the "water-table's too high" argument.  Buy a freaking sump pump, if you're afraid of water seeping in.

Seriously? This has been answered about 500 times. The ground is incredibly hard in many parts of OK. It is cost prohibitive and/or impossible to build basements in many areas.


It's not just that it's hard.  Much of it is dense red clay which doesn't drain well at all.  It also expands and shrinks an amazing amount with changes in water content.  So not only do you have to worry about water/drainage, but also the hydraulic forces working to crush the structure and/or push it up out of the ground.  It is possible to make a basement in Oklahoma.  It's just not that practical for most.

What *is* practical and hard to excuse omitting:

www.fraidyhole.com
 
2013-05-21 10:46:35 AM  

jfarkinB: Flab: The thing that seriously bugs me about these tornades is: why doesn't anyone in Tornado Alley have basements?

I don't buy the "water-table's too high" argument.  Buy a freaking sump pump, if you're afraid of water seeping in.

Sump pumps usually run on electrical power, which frequently fails during violent storms.

Make your argument to the parents of the kids who farking drowned in their school's farking basement.


My sump-pump has a small computer UPS unit, in case I need it to work during a power outage.  It only runs when it rains heavily for more than a day or two, so in my case, there's a chance - albeit small - I would need it while the power is out.  I'm on relatively high ground, so it's not like my entire basement would get flooded, anyway, but if I was living in an area where it required frequent or heavy use, I'd probably have a generator.
 
2013-05-21 10:46:46 AM  

jfarkinB: Flab: The thing that seriously bugs me about these tornades is: why doesn't anyone in Tornado Alley have basements?

I don't buy the "water-table's too high" argument.  Buy a freaking sump pump, if you're afraid of water seeping in.

Sump pumps usually run on electrical power, which frequently fails during violent storms.

Make your argument to the parents of the kids who farking drowned in their school's farking basement.


Plus, if the main water supply into a basement is busted you are farked even if you have electricity because no sump pump works that fast.
 
2013-05-21 10:50:08 AM  

muck4doo: Flab: It was not meant to be a political jab.

Yes it was, and this isn't the time for that.


Not it wasn't.  You are seeing things that aren't there.  I am well aware that this isn't the time for politics-tab antics.
 
2013-05-21 10:50:56 AM  

TanSau: It's about being PREPARED for the disasters in your area.


I'm a renter. I don't own a house. Do I have to rent a hobbit home before you care if I die? Because to be honest, I don't care if you care at all, you sound like a really dumb person.
 
2013-05-21 10:53:47 AM  

TanSau: muck4doo: TanSau: Confabulat: TanSau: Let's be honest here.

If you live in a tornado or hurricane prone area, and don't have a home/school constructed like this:

http://www.monolithic.com/

Then I have no sympathy for you.

That's hilarious. I suppose the entire Eastern coast of the USA needs to adopt your little hobbit homes before you are willing to shed a tear if they die. You are a very wise person, said no one ever.

Not my company.

and you're right, the entire east coast needs to have a strong infrastructure.

You'll be crying on the doorstep of those hobbit homes during/after a Cat 5 or F5

BTW, you're part of the problem.

Where do you live at that is immune to natural disasters?

It's not about living in a location that is devoid of natural disaster.
It's about being PREPARED for the disasters in your area.
dumbass


So how do you prepare a city for an F5 tornado, a major 9.0 earthquake or Major Tsunami hitting the East Coast? An asteroid hitting you? How do you prepare for massive California wildfires? Are you going to put a big ass sprinkler system over all of their woods? Let's hear your thoughts on how to prepare for those events, and make it economically feasible. I'm betting you still haven't figured out how to solve the homeless situation in your neighborhood.
 
2013-05-21 10:53:53 AM  

mrshowrules: jfarkinB: Flab: The thing that seriously bugs me about these tornades is: why doesn't anyone in Tornado Alley have basements?

I don't buy the "water-table's too high" argument.  Buy a freaking sump pump, if you're afraid of water seeping in.

Sump pumps usually run on electrical power, which frequently fails during violent storms.

Make your argument to the parents of the kids who farking drowned in their school's farking basement.

Plus, if the main water supply into a basement is busted you are farked even if you have electricity because no sump pump works that fast.


Hell - you don't even need a water supply in the basement. A terriential downpour will find any holes you've missed. Eventually that water fills.

I remember being knee deep in a basement full of water during a tornado warning in Ohio. The sump pump couldn't work fast enough. Water was pouring in through the cellar doors (the slanted doors). Apparently the seal on our basement entry door was not entirely watertight. It was terrifying.
 
2013-05-21 10:54:25 AM  

mrshowrules: jfarkinB: Flab: The thing that seriously bugs me about these tornades is: why doesn't anyone in Tornado Alley have basements?

I don't buy the "water-table's too high" argument.  Buy a freaking sump pump, if you're afraid of water seeping in.

Sump pumps usually run on electrical power, which frequently fails during violent storms.

Make your argument to the parents of the kids who farking drowned in their school's farking basement.

Plus, if the main water supply into a basement is busted you are farked even if you have electricity because no sump pump works that fast.


My house isn't that big.  The main water valve is three feet away from the sump pump ( plumbers are lazy.  Main water line and sewer drains run next to each other from the street to the house) and if the water main breaks, while I'm in the basement, I should be able to get to it.  I just need to get the Christmas decorations out of the way.

I'm aware that the situation on a large building such as a school or shopping mall would be very different, and thus should be planned accordingly.
 
2013-05-21 10:55:14 AM  

Flab: muck4doo: Flab: It was not meant to be a political jab.

Yes it was, and this isn't the time for that.

Not it wasn't.  You are seeing things that aren't there.  I am well aware that this isn't the time for politics-tab antics.


I'll take your word for it.
 
2013-05-21 10:55:49 AM  

Flab: dave2198: The ground is incredibly hard in many parts of OK.

1. Dig until you hit bedrock.
2. Pour reinforced concrete foundation.
3. Pack dirt around it to make it look like a basement.

Just like we do up here in Kanukistan.  My basement floor is probably not more than 2' lower than the street.

BillTheCat: Since you dont have to have your utilities so deep, theres no need for a basement, you can just build a house on a slab.  Saves $10-20,000 on the construction cost of a single family home.

Maybe it's just me, but I'd prefer spending the extra 10 grand to have a saferoom, rather than having familiy members decapitated by flying 2x4s and appliances.


Would you like to take a guess at how far you can dig in OK before hitting bedrock?
 
2013-05-21 10:55:54 AM  

muck4doo: Flab: muck4doo: Flab: It was not meant to be a political jab.

Yes it was, and this isn't the time for that.

Not it wasn't.  You are seeing things that aren't there.  I am well aware that this isn't the time for politics-tab antics.

I'll take your word for it.


lets move on people
 
2013-05-21 10:58:12 AM  

RatOmeter: dave2198: Flab: The thing that seriously bugs me about these tornades is: why doesn't anyone in Tornado Alley have basements?

I don't buy the "water-table's too high" argument.  Buy a freaking sump pump, if you're afraid of water seeping in.

Seriously? This has been answered about 500 times. The ground is incredibly hard in many parts of OK. It is cost prohibitive and/or impossible to build basements in many areas.

It's not just that it's hard.  Much of it is dense red clay which doesn't drain well at all.  It also expands and shrinks an amazing amount with changes in water content.  So not only do you have to worry about water/drainage, but also the hydraulic forces working to crush the structure and/or push it up out of the ground.  It is possible to make a basement in Oklahoma.  It's just not that practical for most.

What *is* practical and hard to excuse omitting:

[www.fraidyhole.com image 270x203]


*Ding ding ding*

We have a winner.

If you live in the Tornado Alley part of the Midwest... you need somewhere to go. It doesn't have to necessarily be a basement, but something subterranean is just common sense. The cost is minimal next to that of your life.
 
2013-05-21 10:59:21 AM  
pbs.twimg.com
 
2013-05-21 11:00:56 AM  

stock411: [pbs.twimg.com image 599x592]


I knew that shiat was rigged.
 
2013-05-21 11:01:10 AM  

Bontesla: mrshowrules: jfarkinB: Flab: The thing that seriously bugs me about these tornades is: why doesn't anyone in Tornado Alley have basements?

I don't buy the "water-table's too high" argument.  Buy a freaking sump pump, if you're afraid of water seeping in.

Sump pumps usually run on electrical power, which frequently fails during violent storms.

Make your argument to the parents of the kids who farking drowned in their school's farking basement.

Plus, if the main water supply into a basement is busted you are farked even if you have electricity because no sump pump works that fast.

Hell - you don't even need a water supply in the basement. A terriential downpour will find any holes you've missed. Eventually that water fills.

I remember being knee deep in a basement full of water during a tornado warning in Ohio. The sump pump couldn't work fast enough. Water was pouring in through the cellar doors (the slanted doors). Apparently the seal on our basement entry door was not entirely watertight. It was terrifying.


It happened in my city 15 years ago.   Most people in the area had garages in their basements with driveways going down from the street.  Since then, the city changed its building code to prevents garages that are lower than street-level, and forced everyone to have french drains and sump pumps.  There are additional requirements for existing houses that have those basement garages.
 
2013-05-21 11:07:11 AM  

muck4doo: mrshowrules: muck4doo: Good speech by Obama.

He always gets it right.

I'm as Conservative as it gets, but I agree. He gets it right in times of disaster. Reagan was also pretty good at that. Both have/had the power to bring a Nation up when things have gone wrong. Both Bush's and Clinton could also do that at times, but not with the same mastery Reagan and Obama do/did. Carter would just scare me. I have confidence Obama will take care of this situation the best he can as more info comes in.


GOBAMA!
 
2013-05-21 11:14:14 AM  

mikaloyd: muck4doo: mrshowrules: muck4doo: Good speech by Obama.

He always gets it right.

I'm as Conservative as it gets, but I agree. He gets it right in times of disaster. Reagan was also pretty good at that. Both have/had the power to bring a Nation up when things have gone wrong. Both Bush's and Clinton could also do that at times, but not with the same mastery Reagan and Obama do/did. Carter would just scare me. I have confidence Obama will take care of this situation the best he can as more info comes in.

GOBAMA!


Go Oklahoma.
 
2013-05-21 11:14:49 AM  

stock411: [pbs.twimg.com image 599x592]


At least the tornado didn't throw a complete gutter ball.
 
2013-05-21 11:16:31 AM  
i.imgur.com

Dear OKC/Moore

Who did you piss off?!? I mean REALLY?

/Image current as of 11:16 EDT
 
2013-05-21 11:24:21 AM  

Shadow Blasko: [i.imgur.com image 640x480]

Dear OKC/Moore

Who did you piss off?!? I mean REALLY?

/Image current as of 11:16 EDT


Don't sink to the same lows as religious fanatics/extremists. I guess you can blame this on global warming in the mean time.
 
2013-05-21 11:28:34 AM  

stock411: [pbs.twimg.com image 599x592]


God has a sick sense of humour.
 
2013-05-21 11:31:33 AM  

mrshowrules: stock411: [pbs.twimg.com image 599x592]

God has a sick sense of humour.


Surely someone is at fault.
 
2013-05-21 11:33:32 AM  

Shadow Blasko: [i.imgur.com image 640x480]

Dear OKC/Moore

Who did you piss off?!? I mean REALLY?

/Image current as of 11:16 EDT


What's the difference between a diamond and a triangle, in that graph?
 
2013-05-21 11:38:51 AM  
 
2013-05-21 11:40:04 AM  

mrshowrules: stock411: [pbs.twimg.com image 599x592]

God has a sick sense of humour.


God has nothing to do with this. It proves this was a false-flag!
 
2013-05-21 11:40:51 AM  

Flab: Shadow Blasko: [i.imgur.com image 640x480]

Dear OKC/Moore

Who did you piss off?!? I mean REALLY?

/Image current as of 11:16 EDT

What's the difference between a diamond and a triangle, in that graph?



Also whats with C8 going against the direction all the other arrows are going?
 
2013-05-21 11:41:30 AM  

vygramul: mrshowrules: stock411: [pbs.twimg.com image 599x592]

God has a sick sense of humour.

God has nothing to do with this. It proves this was a false-flag!


Many think God is supposed to be their personal baby sitter.
 
2013-05-21 11:43:30 AM  
Just had a line of showers roll through and shortly thereafter, the counties to our east and northeast got a warning. So it begins anew.
 
2013-05-21 11:45:24 AM  

Flab: Shadow Blasko: [i.imgur.com image 640x480]

Dear OKC/Moore

Who did you piss off?!? I mean REALLY?

/Image current as of 11:16 EDT

What's the difference between a diamond and a triangle, in that graph?


Square is a hail core.  Diamond is a rotating mesocyclone.  Triangle is a radar indicated tornado vortex signature (not necessarily a tornado, but has the radar characteristics of one)
 
2013-05-21 11:45:26 AM  

Flab: Shadow Blasko: [i.imgur.com image 640x480]

Dear OKC/Moore

Who did you piss off?!? I mean REALLY?

/Image current as of 11:16 EDT

What's the difference between a diamond and a triangle, in that graph?


Box= Storm
Diamond = Heavy storm/Mesocyclonic Rotation
Purple V = Tornadic Vortex Signature (Not always a tornado, just .. enough warning signs to tip the system)
 
2013-05-21 11:45:37 AM  

fatalvenom: From Family Guy Sunday night...


That's farked up.
 
2013-05-21 11:45:42 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Just had a line of showers roll through and shortly thereafter, the counties to our east and northeast got a warning. So it begins anew.


Stay safe.
 
2013-05-21 11:46:52 AM  

thebigearl: Flab: Shadow Blasko: [i.imgur.com image 640x480]

Dear OKC/Moore

Who did you piss off?!? I mean REALLY?

/Image current as of 11:16 EDT

What's the difference between a diamond and a triangle, in that graph?

Square is a hail core.  Diamond is a rotating mesocyclone.  Triangle is a radar indicated tornado vortex signature (not necessarily a tornado, but has the radar characteristics of one)


Hgh 5 for the stereo response!
 
2013-05-21 11:48:18 AM  

muck4doo: Stay safe.


We're good...on the far western edge of the risk area. I don't think we'll see much of anything...including a badly needed rain.
 
2013-05-21 11:55:48 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-21 11:56:36 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: muck4doo: Stay safe.

We're good...on the far western edge of the risk area. I don't think we'll see much of anything...including a badly needed rain.


Hoping you get some rain then. :)

Austin weather is telling us Tornadoes a possibility, and golf ball sized hail, but not likely. 50% chance of strong storms though.
 
2013-05-21 11:58:46 AM  

Soonerpsycho: [i.imgur.com image 720x960]


Looking for the moral of that picture...
 
2013-05-21 11:58:48 AM  
Just watched a video of people looking for their kids outside of the school.  You could hear some woman screaming her son's name in the background.  As a new dad, that hit me right in the Parent.  Going home to hold my boy at lunch.
 
2013-05-21 12:00:44 PM  

Soonerpsycho: [i.imgur.com image 720x960]


That photo seems just as inappropriate as my own thoughts towards it.
 
2013-05-21 12:01:00 PM  

muck4doo: Hoping you get some rain then. :)


Thanks. We did have a biatch of a hail storm 2 weeks ago. over $15K damage to my house....and all of a 1/4" of rain. BUT at least the hail melted!

/glass half full
 
2013-05-21 12:02:30 PM  

Soonerpsycho: [i.imgur.com image 720x960]


BTW, that one was from the day before the one yesterday.
 
2013-05-21 12:03:11 PM  
Hey Farkers - I've been following these threads since yesterday and want to say thanks; this place is awesome for breaking news links, insight from locals being affected, actual education around issues contributing to what's happening, and the huge majority of the community coming together in compassion. Shadow Blasko and others - glad you're here and thanks for the helpful info.

My link contribution: www.tornadopaths.org; found it yesterday, it maps out everywhere in the US that's seen a tornado in the past 48 hrs; you can search for zip codes and 'today in history;' as far as I can make out, the yellow icons are ones that actually touched down, and white is either that or less severe (Shadow, you know?).

Heart goes out to all in the storm's path, and impressed as hell as always with how people come together after disaster.
 
2013-05-21 12:03:32 PM  

Shadow Blasko: thebigearl: Flab: Shadow Blasko: [i.imgur.com image 640x480]

Dear OKC/Moore

Who did you piss off?!? I mean REALLY?

/Image current as of 11:16 EDT

What's the difference between a diamond and a triangle, in that graph?

Square is a hail core.  Diamond is a rotating mesocyclone.  Triangle is a radar indicated tornado vortex signature (not necessarily a tornado, but has the radar characteristics of one)

Hgh 5 for the stereo response!


Thanks both.
 
2013-05-21 12:05:13 PM  

TanSau: muck4doo: TanSau: muck4doo: TanSau: Confabulat: TanSau: Let's be honest here.

If you live in a tornado or hurricane prone area, and don't have a home/school constructed like this:

http://www.monolithic.com/

Then I have no sympathy for you.

That's hilarious. I suppose the entire Eastern coast of the USA needs to adopt your little hobbit homes before you are willing to shed a tear if they die. You are a very wise person, said no one ever.

Not my company.

and you're right, the entire east coast needs to have a strong infrastructure.

You'll be crying on the doorstep of those hobbit homes during/after a Cat 5 or F5

BTW, you're part of the problem.

Where do you live at that is immune to natural disasters?

It's not about living in a location that is devoid of natural disaster.
It's about being PREPARED for the disasters in your area.
dumbass

So how do you prepare a city for an F5 tornado, a major 9.0 earthquake or Major Tsunami hitting the East Coast? An asteroid hitting you? How do you prepare for massive California wildfires? Are you going to put a big ass sprinkler system over all of their woods? Let's hear your thoughts on how to prepare for those events, and make it economically feasible. I'm betting you still haven't figured out how to solve the homeless situation in your neighborhood.

You guys really are newbs
F5 Tornado: Already posted a link on one (of many) solutions
9.0: earthquake: same link, don't build on a cliff.
Wildfires: same building, also, clear trees a MINIMUM of 50' from your home.
I'll just laugh at your asteroid comment. (points) HAha!

So I'm supposed to cure the homeless problem before I make a strong home? interdesting.jpg


Great! You figured out the solution to nature! Now you can go pay for it. Didn't realize I was talking to a genius. My apologies.
 
2013-05-21 12:10:03 PM  

Shadow Blasko: thebigearl: Flab: Shadow Blasko: [i.imgur.com image 640x480]

Dear OKC/Moore

Who did you piss off?!? I mean REALLY?

/Image current as of 11:16 EDT

What's the difference between a diamond and a triangle, in that graph?

Square is a hail core.  Diamond is a rotating mesocyclone.  Triangle is a radar indicated tornado vortex signature (not necessarily a tornado, but has the radar characteristics of one)

Hgh 5 for the stereo response!


Hah nice!
 
2013-05-21 12:10:44 PM  
So now they're saying only 24 dead, not 51 or 91 or whatever.

Still... "only"
 
2013-05-21 12:13:42 PM  

Well I use Mac/Linux...: Just watched a video of people looking for their kids outside of the school.  You could hear some woman screaming her son's name in the background.  As a new dad, that hit me right in the Parent.  Going home to hold my boy at lunch.


Link?
 
2013-05-21 12:15:17 PM  

TanSau: You guys really are newbs


Newb? My childhood home was destroyed by Hurricane Opal back in like 95. The house stayed, but there's not much anyone could have done about the 5 feet of storm surge that came through the house. I suppose a smart person like you would have never built near a body of water, of course. You are smart and safe from nature.
 
2013-05-21 12:15:26 PM  

mrshowrules: Soonerpsycho: [i.imgur.com image 720x960]

That photo seems just as inappropriate as my own thoughts towards it.


It shows a lack of appreciation for the danger. It's like that guy who took video of that fertilizer plant explosion. Somewhere on the other side there's a memory card of a couple of people who did the exact same thing but aren't around to post it.
 
2013-05-21 12:17:06 PM  

reillan: So now they're saying only 24 dead, not 51 or 91 or whatever.

Still... "only"


I would imagine that the toll would be hire had children been out of school and families been largely at home. Entire neighborhoods are destroyed. This is pure speculation of course.

I'm relieved to hear the better news. Thanks.
 
2013-05-21 12:19:04 PM  
I wish I had thought to share this link yesterday, it's always highly useful in weather situation.

http://hint.fm/wind/
 
2013-05-21 12:22:53 PM  

megalynn44: I wish I had thought to share this link yesterday, it's always highly useful in weather situation.

http://hint.fm/wind/


That's...mesmerizing...Thanks for sharing.
 
2013-05-21 12:36:31 PM  
Waitaminute. The death toll was lowered from 51 to 24? That means 27 people thought to be dead are now... alive...

OMG OKIE ZOMBIES!!! O_O
 
2013-05-21 12:37:57 PM  
A quote from Farker Slappy McLongstocking a few days ago in the "racist teen wears confederate flag t-shirt" thread:"just hope the storms kill as many as possible so there wont be so many stupid people."/in the words of the immortal Forrest Gump, "Stupid is as stupid does."
 
2013-05-21 12:38:34 PM  

megalynn44: I wish I had thought to share this link yesterday, it's always highly useful in weather situation.

http://hint.fm/wind/


That little spiral west of DFW is shaking things up in Young county right now.
 
2013-05-21 12:40:30 PM  

esteban9: Soonerpsycho: [i.imgur.com image 720x960]

Looking for the moral of that picture...


I think it's there to test my morals.
 
2013-05-21 12:47:59 PM  

megalynn44: I wish I had thought to share this link yesterday, it's always highly useful in weather situation.

http://hint.fm/wind/


Cool. o.o
 
2013-05-21 01:05:57 PM  

megalynn44: I wish I had thought to share this link yesterday, it's always highly useful in weather situation.

http://hint.fm/wind/


Really cool.
 
2013-05-21 01:10:27 PM  

Soonerpsycho: [i.imgur.com image 720x960]


Obligatory fist of an angry god for the girl on the right.
 
2013-05-21 01:11:29 PM  

TanSau: Would I build in an area known for storm surge, or on a flood plane? Goodness no.
That would be idiotic.

Having experienced such an event, you'd think that you would respect nature and build in a location and a way to prevent common and predictable home destruction.

An ounce of prevention....


As someone who lives in a coastal town, whose husband is contracted to be here for another 3 years because  people here need doctors and are short on them, where every part of town is susceptible to the possibility of a storm surge, I hope you never have to find out how idiotic your statement really is.

I know I've singled you out, but the incessant posts in all three threads that are accusatory of people for being stupid to not be prepared enough for disaster is ignorant and infuriating on an aneurism-inducing level. No one, no matter where they live or what they do to prepare is safe from disaster. Enough with the blame game. This is a time for empathy of those who have lost everything through no fault of their own, and nothing else.
 
2013-05-21 01:13:38 PM  

megalynn44: Well I use Mac/Linux...: Just watched a video of people looking for their kids outside of the school.  You could hear some woman screaming her son's name in the background.  As a new dad, that hit me right in the Parent.  Going home to hold my boy at lunch.

Link?


Here
 
2013-05-21 01:16:37 PM  

PowerSlacker: Soonerpsycho: [i.imgur.com image 720x960]

Obligatory fist of an angry god for the girl on the right.


I'll need you to have a seat over here sir.
 
2013-05-21 01:16:39 PM  

megalynn44: I wish I had thought to share this link yesterday, it's always highly useful in weather situation.

http://hint.fm/wind/


North Texas really sucks today.

/awesome site
 
2013-05-21 01:23:08 PM  

PowerSlacker: Soonerpsycho: [i.imgur.com image 720x960]

Obligatory fist of an angry god for the girl on the right.


Why does she have a lightning cable coming out of her wrist?
 
2013-05-21 01:33:53 PM  

PowerSlacker: megalynn44: I wish I had thought to share this link yesterday, it's always highly useful in weather situation.

http://hint.fm/wind/

North Texas really sucks today.

/awesome site


When that low pushes eastward when things ramp up... SEOK, North Texas, NE Arkansas, esp. Texarkana area could see some big numbers..... hoping today isn't as scary as yesterday (although really, it was one isolated large tornado that happened to be in Moore, and many smaller tornadoes)
 
2013-05-21 01:36:51 PM  

Random Name Generator: PowerSlacker: megalynn44: I wish I had thought to share this link yesterday, it's always highly useful in weather situation.

http://hint.fm/wind/

North Texas really sucks today.

/awesome site

When that low pushes eastward when things ramp up... SEOK, North Texas, NE Arkansas, esp. Texarkana area could see some big numbers..... hoping today isn't as scary as yesterday (although really, it was one isolated large tornado that happened to be in Moore, and many smaller tornadoes)


Also, Texarkana is the national headquarters of the American Baptist Association...

/Wrath of God, etc.
 
2013-05-21 01:43:52 PM  

TanSau: Having experienced such an event, you'd think that you would respect nature and build in a location and a way to prevent common and predictable home destruction.


I told you, I'm a renter. Do you think people who have leases deserve to die? Be honest now. You're pretty funny thinking you're smart while everyone with an IQ over 80 is laughing at you, so I'm curious to hear more of your delusional ravings that you consider "intelligence."

Do carry on.
 
2013-05-21 01:50:25 PM  

PowerSlacker: megalynn44: I wish I had thought to share this link yesterday, it's always highly useful in weather situation.

http://hint.fm/wind/

North Texas really sucks today.

/awesome site


Yeah, the wind is getting very spinny west of Dallas.
 
2013-05-21 01:50:30 PM  
43 minutes of KFOR OKC Channel 4 coverage of Moore Tornado, for those interested.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga7niHGgSN4

They did an awesome job of getting the warnings out, and communicating with storm chasers.

Hope those in Southeastern OK, Central/Northeast TX, and other points in the midwest stay safe today.
 
2013-05-21 01:50:36 PM  

Random Name Generator: Also, Texarkana is the national headquarters of the American Baptist Association...


Ermagherd!
 
2013-05-21 01:53:53 PM  

megalynn44: PowerSlacker: megalynn44: I wish I had thought to share this link yesterday, it's always highly useful in weather situation.

http://hint.fm/wind/

North Texas really sucks today.

/awesome site

Yeah, the wind is getting very spinny west of Dallas.


ahh shiat...

Be safe Dallas Area Farkers.
 
2013-05-21 02:00:39 PM  
Everything within 100 miles or more of Dallas is under a Tornado Watch right now


http://www.srh.noaa.gov/fwd/
 
2013-05-21 02:08:21 PM  

vygramul: FullMetalPanda: God damn unpatriotic tornadoes!!!  In America we spin the correct way, the Murica way!!

The ones that spin in the other direction are artificially created.


Great. Now I'm picturing some tabloid exposé called "From Storm Cells to Stem Cells" or something.

TanSau: No problem. The willfully stupid rarely recognize genius.

 cache.thisorth.at

 
2013-05-21 02:08:33 PM  

WippitGuud: Everything within 100 miles or more of Dallas is under a Tornado Watch right now


http://www.srh.noaa.gov/fwd/


shiat is definitely real.  They used two exclamation points in the headline:

Tornado Watch for All of North and Central Texas Until 7 PM!!
 
2013-05-21 02:18:21 PM  

megalynn44: PowerSlacker: megalynn44: I wish I had thought to share this link yesterday, it's always highly useful in weather situation.

http://hint.fm/wind/

North Texas really sucks today.

/awesome site

Yeah, the wind is getting very spinny west of Dallas.


[Deep breath]

Guys, I don't wanna rain on anyones parade here, but http://hint.fm/wind/ is not generated from actual surface readings... or any real-time readings at all.

It is based on a surface wind forecast map from the National Digital Forecast Database. It is not live. It's not even real readings. It's an (hour by hour) forecast weather map, turned into an art project.

It does not take into account individual storms (other than massive storms, like hurricanes or general low pressure areas). It's just a REALLY DAMN COOL artistic layer of a forecast map.

Please don't use it for anything other than "wow, thats cool"... and "it looks like it will be windy in our area, lets try to fly a kite"

/Nothing against them.. I really like it.. but it is not real time or actual observed winds.
 
2013-05-21 02:20:48 PM  

PowerSlacker: WippitGuud: Everything within 100 miles or more of Dallas is under a Tornado Watch right now


http://www.srh.noaa.gov/fwd/

shiat is definitely real.  They used two exclamation points in the headline:

Tornado Watch for All of North and Central Texas Until 7 PM!!


Darned Texans are just trying to steal our limelight.
 
2013-05-21 02:25:06 PM  

PowerSlacker: WippitGuud: Everything within 100 miles or more of Dallas is under a Tornado Watch right now


http://www.srh.noaa.gov/fwd/

shiat is definitely real.  They used two exclamation points in the headline:

Tornado Watch for All of North and Central Texas Until 7 PM!!


I find the Plains-state NWS offices tend to put a lot of exclamations on their main page alerts. (Not that it's any less genuinely dangerous, mind.)

Easily the most panicked NWS bulletin in history (and necessarily so) was for Katrina.

Nerd info for the moment: Dallas-area CAPE values are approaching 3000 J/kg in the latest soundings, and storm-relative helicity is around 250 m2/s2.
 
2013-05-21 02:26:29 PM  

WippitGuud: CCTV footage from a gas station that is no longer there


Wrong place...its a different storm. U got pwned. LOL!
 
2013-05-21 02:27:47 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-21 02:31:00 PM  

ds_4815: PowerSlacker: WippitGuud: Everything within 100 miles or more of Dallas is under a Tornado Watch right now


http://www.srh.noaa.gov/fwd/

shiat is definitely real.  They used two exclamation points in the headline:

Tornado Watch for All of North and Central Texas Until 7 PM!!

I find the Plains-state NWS offices tend to put a lot of exclamations on their main page alerts. (Not that it's any less genuinely dangerous, mind.)

Easily the most panicked NWS bulletin in history (and necessarily so) was for Katrina.

Nerd info for the moment: Dallas-area CAPE values are approaching 3000 J/kg in the latest soundings, and storm-relative helicity is around 250 m2/s2.


That Katrina bulletin had its own Fark thread... And was the first of (maybe 20?) Katrina real-time threads

Hey, if you don't mind, Once again I can't get data to load on GR3... (I think its my laptop), how are upper midwest (I'm in Columbus) values looking at the moment. I have not been able to pull CAPE data since before noon.
 
2013-05-21 02:32:34 PM  
 
2013-05-21 02:32:54 PM  

Shadow Blasko: megalynn44: PowerSlacker: megalynn44: I wish I had thought to share this link yesterday, it's always highly useful in weather situation.

http://hint.fm/wind/

North Texas really sucks today.

/awesome site

Yeah, the wind is getting very spinny west of Dallas.

[Deep breath]

Guys, I don't wanna rain on anyones parade here, but http://hint.fm/wind/ is not generated from actual surface readings... or any real-time readings at all.

It is based on a surface wind forecast map from the National Digital Forecast Database. It is not live. It's not even real readings. It's an (hour by hour) forecast weather map, turned into an art project.

It does not take into account individual storms (other than massive storms, like hurricanes or general low pressure areas). It's just a REALLY DAMN COOL artistic layer of a forecast map.

Please don't use it for anything other than "wow, thats cool"... and "it looks like it will be windy in our area, lets try to fly a kite"

/Nothing against them.. I really like it.. but it is not real time or actual observed winds.


Dammit... just got done writing my post saying this same thing, only less eloquently. Heck, I've never seen top speed exceed 35 mph, and you could pretty much guess that's bull.
 
2013-05-21 02:36:31 PM  

nukeim: Medic Zero: thisisyourbrainonFark: dumbandilikeit: They had about 20-30mins of warnings, but not much you can do when faced with a storm of that size.

Obvious questions will be whether Plaza Towers and other buildings had underground storm shelters and whether building codes mandate them. Assume they will be now. But if the storm hit as quick as you say, mandatory shelters don't mean jack if you can't get to them.
As another farker said, some of these suburbs look like Dresden times 10.

Early reports had the kids sheltering in a central hallway.

How any building built in Oklahoma can be made out of anything less than concrete and lack a shelter I have no idea. Might as well build on a flood plain.

That school probably was concrete. But like was said (and linked, with a video) above...You throw THAT much crap, THAT hard, at just about any structure, it's going to fail. How thick does a wall need to be to stop an airborne minivan? Pretty much underground is the only safe way to do this, but not a basement, as 1) there aren't many basements in OK due to groundwater or something like that...Houses just aren't built with them and 2) You going to make an underground storm shelter big enough for a thousand kids in EVERY school?

I hope so...But I won't hold my breath.


Superintendent for my local school district just sent this by email:

"In light of the recent tragedy in Moore, we found it appropriate to communicate with you about our school facilities.
The two new elementary schools were designed with pupil safety in mind. Each school has integrated reinforced concrete 'tube' hallways with drop down steel doors to seal these spaces. There are five such areas at the new Highland Park and two larger areas on the first floor at the new Will Rogers. We have taken the design elements of a FEMA safe room and incorporated them into a useful school building with room for 1200 inhabitants as per the following:
1. Specified hallway spaces with 8" reinforced concrete walls
2. 12" reinforced concrete roof deck
3. 30" reinforced concrete foundation
4. Hurricane resistant steel doors on each end of these spaces (built to withstand hurricane wind forces over 200 mph)"

She goes on to say that the older schools are already being reviewed by engineers for their safety features.
 
2013-05-21 02:38:43 PM  

WippitGuud: CCTV footage from a gas station that is no longer there


Man, that looked like there was somebody in that car. I hope they made it.
 
2013-05-21 02:38:55 PM  

ds_4815: Nerd info for the moment: Dallas-area CAPE values are approaching 3000 J/kg in the latest soundings, and storm-relative helicity is around 250 m2/s2.


Nevermind.. I finally got it.

/Only 650 ... for now.
 
2013-05-21 02:41:08 PM  

Shadow Blasko: http://www.fark.com/comments/1641841/New-Orleans-National-Weather-Ser v ice-officially-loses-all-bowel-control

The NWS Katrina "If you didn't leave, y'all gonna die!" bulletin thread.


Much obliged. I've only been a Farker since 2010, interesting read for later.

Surface CAPEs for Detroit and Cincinnati (no Columbus sounding) are 700 and 900, respectively, for 12Z. (Most up-to-date soundings I can find, no specials put up yet.) I actually have GRLevel3, but I've never done anything with CAPE or soundings for that matter with it. How would I go about doing that?
 
2013-05-21 02:44:22 PM  

reillan: So now they're saying only 24 dead, not 51 or 91 or whatever.

Still... "only"


Does it help to think of it as "One predator strike on a wedding"?
 
2013-05-21 02:46:54 PM  

PowerSlacker: Soonerpsycho: [i.imgur.com image 720x960]

Obligatory fist of an angry god for the girl on the right.


She's about to experience a blow job she'll never forget.
 
2013-05-21 02:47:01 PM  

d23: PacificaFitz: CNN just said that the picture of the "couple" walking down the street where the man is holding the girl and the woman has the black eye holding another girls hand isn't parents but in fact teachers.  I've heard a few stories of hero teachers coming from this.  When this is all said and done we Farkers need to make our way down to OK and buy a few rounds....

no doubt:

jobs besides teaching teachers are supposed to do:
Psychologist
Medical Doctor
Family Therapist
Coach
**new** Disaster Planning Coordinator

future:
Armed Bodyguard


"Medical Doctor"?! Come on man. The rest of your point is lost by such ludicrous hyperbole.
 
2013-05-21 02:51:07 PM  

Confabulat: I told you, I'm a renter.


As in "someone who isn't tied into ownership and can move to a more sensible location at a few weeks' notice"? That sort of renter?

Here's a simple two stage process for reducing your chances of suffering in a natural disaster.

1. Observe where,historically, people have chosen not to live because of bitter experience of the forces of nature. This includes sandbanks, flood plains, earthquake zones, the slopes of volcanoes and Oklahoma.

2. Don't farking live there.
 
2013-05-21 02:52:19 PM  

ds_4815: Shadow Blasko: http://www.fark.com/comments/1641841/New-Orleans-National-Weather-Ser v ice-officially-loses-all-bowel-control

The NWS Katrina "If you didn't leave, y'all gonna die!" bulletin thread.

Much obliged. I've only been a Farker since 2010, interesting read for later.

Surface CAPEs for Detroit and Cincinnati (no Columbus sounding) are 700 and 900, respectively, for 12Z. (Most up-to-date soundings I can find, no specials put up yet.) I actually have GRLevel3, but I've never done anything with CAPE or soundings for that matter with it. How would I go about doing that?


Unfortunately, folllowing the link to the NWS gives you today's weather forecast for NOLA.  It was scary.
 
2013-05-21 02:55:09 PM  

orbister: reillan: So now they're saying only 24 dead, not 51 or 91 or whatever.

Still... "only"

Does it help to think of it as "One predator strike on a wedding"?


Plenty of other threads where you can go be a douchebag.  Why'd you pick this one?
 
2013-05-21 02:56:28 PM  

Shadow Blasko: /Nothing against them.. I really like it.. but it is not real time or actual observed winds.


Meh. It's once an hour. I've watched multiple hurricanes come in with it and it adds an extra layer of understanding to proceedings. No one's saying it's live radar, but it's still fascinating and relavent.
 
2013-05-21 02:57:51 PM  

ds_4815: I actually have GRLevel3, but I've never done anything with CAPE or soundings for that matter with it. How would I go about doing that?


*sheepish grin* Sadly, I don't much about setting up GR3 or X.

I bought it last year after the spring outbreak, and a buddy set it up for me on my old laptop during spotter training. I tried to copy everything over to this laptop when that one died, but there seems to be some serious issues with my configuration. Sometimes I can get it to pull CAPE values as an overlay, but more often than not it just crashes.

/Really ashamed I don't know how to work it.. as a weather geek and a software support guy.
 
2013-05-21 03:05:48 PM  

Flab: ds_4815: Shadow Blasko: http://www.fark.com/comments/1641841/New-Orleans-National-Weather-Ser v ice-officially-loses-all-bowel-control

The NWS Katrina "If you didn't leave, y'all gonna die!" bulletin thread.

Much obliged. I've only been a Farker since 2010, interesting read for later.

Surface CAPEs for Detroit and Cincinnati (no Columbus sounding) are 700 and 900, respectively, for 12Z. (Most up-to-date soundings I can find, no specials put up yet.) I actually have GRLevel3, but I've never done anything with CAPE or soundings for that matter with it. How would I go about doing that?

Unfortunately, folllowing the link to the NWS gives you today's weather forecast for NOLA.  It was scary.


Here is the actual text of the bulletin:

000
WWUS74 KLIX 281550
NPWLIX
URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW ORLEANS LA
1011 AM CDT SUN AUG 28 2005

...DEVASTATING DAMAGE EXPECTED...

.HURRICANE KATRINA...A MOST POWERFUL HURRICANE WITH UNPRECEDENTED
STRENGTH...RIVALING THE INTENSITY OF HURRICANE CAMILLE OF 1969.
MOST OF THE AREA WILL BE UNINHABITABLE FOR WEEKS...PERHAPS LONGER. AT
LEAST ONE HALF OF WELL CONSTRUCTED HOMES WILL HAVE ROOF AND WALL
FAILURE. ALL GABLED ROOFS WILL FAIL...LEAVING THOSE HOMES SEVERELY
DAMAGED OR DESTROYED.

THE MAJORITY OF INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS WILL BECOME NON FUNCTIONAL.
PARTIAL TO COMPLETE WALL AND ROOF FAILURE IS EXPECTED. ALL WOOD
FRAMED LOW RISING APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL BE DESTROYED. CONCRETE
BLOCK LOW RISE APARTMENTS WILL SUSTAIN MAJOR DAMAGE...INCLUDING SOME
WALL AND ROOF FAILURE.

HIGH RISE OFFICE AND APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL SWAY DANGEROUSLY...A
FEW TO THE POINT OF TOTAL COLLAPSE. ALL WINDOWS WILL BLOW OUT.
AIRBORNE DEBRIS WILL BE WIDESPREAD...AND MAY INCLUDE HEAVY ITEMS SUCH
AS HOUSEHOLD APPLIANCES AND EVEN LIGHT VEHICLES. SPORT UTILITY
VEHICLES AND LIGHT TRUCKS WILL BE MOVED. THE BLOWN DEBRIS WILL CREATE
ADDITIONAL DESTRUCTION. PERSONS...PETS...AND LIVESTOCK EXPOSED TO THE
WINDS WILL FACE CERTAIN DEATH IF STRUCK.

POWER OUTAGES WILL LAST FOR WEEKS...AS MOST POWER POLES WILL BE DOWN
AND TRANSFORMERS DESTROYED. WATER SHORTAGES WILL MAKE HUMAN SUFFERING
INCREDIBLE BY MODERN STANDARDS.

THE VAST MAJORITY OF NATIVE TREES WILL BE SNAPPED OR UPROOTED. ONLY
THE HEARTIEST WILL REMAIN STANDING...BUT BE TOTALLY DEFOLIATED. FEW
CROPS WILL REMAIN. LIVESTOCK LEFT EXPOSED TO THE WINDS WILL BE
KILLED.

AN INLAND HURRICANE WIND WARNING IS ISSUED WHEN SUSTAINED WINDS NEAR
HURRICANE FORCE...OR FREQUENT GUSTS AT OR ABOVE HURRICANE FORCE...ARE
CERTAIN WITHIN THE NEXT 12 TO 24 HOURS.
ONCE TROPICAL STORM AND HURRICANE FORCE WINDS ONSET...DO NOT VENTURE
OUTSIDE!
 
2013-05-21 03:13:08 PM  

TanSau: You guys really are newbs
F5 Tornado: Already posted a link on one (of many) solutions
9.0: earthquake: same link, don't build on a cliff.
Wildfires: same building, also, clear trees a MINIMUM of 50' from your home.
I'll just laugh at your asteroid comment. (points) HAha!

So I'm supposed to cure the homeless problem before I make a strong home? interdesting.jpg


Actually, dear, I think you might be the new and naive one here:

EF5 tornado (note we are NOT saying "category 5 hurricane"--the winds in an EF5 tornado are the highest winds ever measured by radar, and we don't get ground measurements of EF5 wind speeds because the farking anenometers tend not to survive)--Pretty much ANY aboveground structure is toast unless it is built to the approximate requirements of an aboveground blast shelter.  This includes your dome-home thingies, this includes even the typical construction in Guam (where apparently Category 5-equivalent typhoons and severe tropical cyclones ARE frequent enough to warrant the local construction codes calling for reinforced concrete in homes).

The very farking definition of what an EF5 tornado is can be summarised as "Will yea and verily wipe any well-constructed structure of man clean to the ground", just in case you're curious.  The definition pretty much explicitly STATES that well-built brick and even concrete structures are not just knocked down but RAZED.

When an EF5 tornado gets REALLY bad (say, Moore, Oklahoma circa 20 May 2013 or Jarrell, Texas circa 27 May 1997)...not even reinforced concrete tends to survive, not even metal survives, NOTHING GODDAMN FARKING SURVIVES ABOVE GROUND.  (It is in fact arguable that the Jarrell, Texas tornado was completely unsurvivable unless one was completely underground to a depth of at least four feet of dirt above one; there are reliable reports from the folks who surveyed that storm that state a building with reinforced concrete walls over two feet thick was completely obliterated and twelve cars (right down to the engine blocks) were so very completely destroyed that they could not find them.  Much of why the Jarrell tornado was such a horror is for pretty much the exact same reason the Moore tornado of 2013 was incredibly destructive--it was a very violent, very slow-moving tornado that tended to sit and grind the evergoddamnliving fark out of what it sat on top of like Satan's own Blendtec.)

9.0 earthquake: In general, if you are unlucky enough to be in an area where this occurs, not only is there typically Modified Mercalli Scale XI-XII levels of damage (yes, the MM scale is basically the Fujita scale for earthquakes) but there are a lot of associated dangers in areas that tend to HAVE quakes this big.  A mere series of estimated 8.4-ish earthquakes (and the only earthquakes in the US with the exception of the Great Alaska Earthquake of 1964 to have been rated XII on the Modified Mercalli Scale) actually caused the very earth to roll in waves, caused massive liquefaction of ground, caused river-based tsunamis that LITERALLY CHANGED THE COURSE OF THE LARGEST RIVER IN NORTH AMERICA AND ONE OF ITS TRIBUTARIES (the Horseshoe and Reelfoot Lakes USED to be the main channel of the Mississippi before the New Madrid mega-swarm in 1811 and 1812) and were so severe that people could not judge lines of SIGHT.

In one of the few 9.0+ events we've had in post-Richter Scale history (the Great Alaska Quake of 1964) you didn't just have chunks of land being washed away or launched into the ocean--you also had massive liquefaction, and massive movement on the fault line itself (there are pics and videos of Anchorage that show buildings being literally uplifted ten feet--or dropped ten feet--just from the quake effects themselves).  The one part of the US that is considered the most vulnerable to a future megaquake of this sort (the Pacific Coast region including Seattle and the US-based suburbs of Vancouver such as Bellingham) also has additional hazards likely to be triggered when the Cascadia subduction zone blows, including fairly massive liquefaction of soil in Seattle and potential triggering of the "Three Sisters" (a series of active volcanoes in the Pacific Coast including Mt. Ranier and Mt. St. Helens) and the attendant lahar and pyroclastic flow risks from the volcanoes waking up.

And yes, there's a reason I harp on that "liquefaction" thing--THAT's what tends to wreck buildings and get people killed in earthquakes.  Liquefaction is basically when an earthquake shakes up an area with a vulnerable soil system (karst does this, landfill in harbor areas which has been built on is also pretty damn infamous for this) and mixes soil in---and the shaking plus soil plus water basically turns the entire farking mess into jelly that is literally made of quicksand and quickmud.  We may have come pretty far in the engineering sciences, but we haven't really figured out a good way to stop soil from turning into quickmud during an earthquake, and some of the more dangerous fault zones in the US (Wabash, New Madrid, and Cascadia) have a LOT of areas that WILL very farking much turn to quickmud and wreck the everloving shiat out of anything atop them that doesn't give.

(And yes, your dome-homes would actually be BAD in such a situation--the very thing that makes them stand up to a Category 5 hurricane (for which they are admittedly good for) would make them very vulnerable in a quake zone where liquefaction occurs.)

Wildfires: You're probably thinking of wildfires of the sort common in the West (which have resulted from years of detritus left from a less enlightened era where the Forest Service did not realise the forest ecosystems were actually fire-dependent and thus tried to snuff every fire out)...however, a number of wildfires (particularly out East and in the Plains states) are NOT in fact related at all to poor forest service management and fire-dependent ecosystems.  In Appalachia, wildfires tend to break out in drought years and can be surprisingly devastating; in places like Oklahoma and Nebraska and Texas, wildfires are less forest fires and more commonly massive grassfires that can threaten homes.  (And I REALLY don't think people will go along with "Don't plant grass in your yard", especially in states like Texas.)

Whilst the "keep a firebreak" is generally a good idea (especially so in the West), it's not the entire story.

(And actually, there's even an ancedote related to Things Falling From The Sky in this with wildfires.  The most massive wildfire in recorded history happened in the fall of 1871, where a goodly portion of Michigan was on fire along with parts of Wisconsin and Illinois (in fact, there has been some recent speculation that the Great Chicago Fire was in fact an extension of the same massive conflagration that also included the Great Peshtigo Fire and the Great Michigan Fire which also occurred around the same period--yes, you're reading this right...there is a non-negligible chance that Chicago burned down in a small extension of a massive wildfire covering three states).  One of the more interesting proposed causes of the massive wildfire is speculation a methane-rich comet fragment may have struck (more likely, however, is the fact that the whole Lake Michigan and Lake Superior region was having a horrid drought at the time and lake-effect winds sparked one of the smaller fires up to a hellish conflagration--basically the same thing that results in Chaparral winds triggering wildfire flares in California, though the ecosystem there is far more fire-dependent).)
 
2013-05-21 03:14:32 PM  

orbister: Medic Zero: orbister: Medic Zero: Tanks have had spall liners since WW2

Of course. So you use bigger missiles, or better shaped charges. Saying "but spall liners" is a bit like saying "but battlements".

Sorry, I had thought that through more and wasn't going to post that, but it somehow went through when I responded to another post. Disregard.

'Sfine. Wasn't trying to pick a fight, just point out that just because a projectile is stopped by a barrier may not mean the end of your problems on the other side.


For sure. I think we just added another layer to my dream home if I somehow end up living in tornado country and have the money for it.
 
2013-05-21 03:16:06 PM  

Great Porn Dragon: Actually, dear, I think you might be the new and naive one here:

(Brings it hard)

Man, I have the biggest weather/disaster/nerd brocrush on your brain right now.. You have no idea.
 
2013-05-21 03:16:50 PM  

TanSau: Confabulat: TanSau: Let's be honest here.

If you live in a tornado or hurricane prone area, and don't have a home/school constructed like this:

http://www.monolithic.com/

Then I have no sympathy for you.

That's hilarious. I suppose the entire Eastern coast of the USA needs to adopt your little hobbit homes before you are willing to shed a tear if they die. You are a very wise person, said no one ever.

Not my company.

and you're right, the entire east coast needs to have a strong infrastructure.

You'll be crying on the doorstep of those hobbit homes during/after a Cat 5 or F5

BTW, you're part of the problem.


As long as we are dreaming about remaking everything, why the hell don't we move all the powerlines and other infrastructure that is up on poles underground? Then we wouldn't have to restring (& repole) all that shiat every time this happens or there is a big wind or ice storm.
 
2013-05-21 03:22:56 PM  

Medic Zero: TanSau: Confabulat: TanSau: Let's be honest here.

If you live in a tornado or hurricane prone area, and don't have a home/school constructed like this:

http://www.monolithic.com/

Then I have no sympathy for you.

That's hilarious. I suppose the entire Eastern coast of the USA needs to adopt your little hobbit homes before you are willing to shed a tear if they die. You are a very wise person, said no one ever.

Not my company.

and you're right, the entire east coast needs to have a strong infrastructure.

You'll be crying on the doorstep of those hobbit homes during/after a Cat 5 or F5

BTW, you're part of the problem.

As long as we are dreaming about remaking everything, why the hell don't we move all the powerlines and other infrastructure that is up on poles underground? Then we wouldn't have to restring (& repole) all that shiat every time this happens or there is a big wind or ice storm.


Now THAT is a fantastic idea. The neighborhood I just moved out of had underground utilities, and the ONLY time that area has lost power in the last 10 years was during the Hurricane Ike Wind Disaster. (And, well.. 3/4 of the state was out... so it was understandable)

Unfortunately, it is really only feasible to have underground utilities if they were in place when the area was built. Conversion is expensive.

Also, unfortunately, due to the speed that utilities need to be repaired and replaced during a disaster like this one, you need to be able to do it as fast as possible, and since it takes about 10x as long to do underground utilities (even longer if you have to map out existing underground service.. like water and gas) it is simply not feasible to "upgrade" after a disaster.
 
2013-05-21 03:49:57 PM  
on the top of building tornado-safe homes, i think a core-filled reinforced cinderblock wall for a smaller one-story home is totally economic, the biggest expense would really be the concrete but otherwise you'd save money on lumber (which is going up in price), you could also save money on brick by just not doing it and going with stucco or vinyl/fiber cement siding

the only thing that would still be in question is the roof, i'm not sure any amount of tying down a truss into a reinforced concrete wall would keep it from getting destroyed, but i guess it's better than nothing
 
2013-05-21 03:51:04 PM  

TanSau: Medic Zero: yadda yadda yadda Confabulat: TanSau:

As long as we are dreaming about remaking everything, why the hell don't we move all the powerlines and other infrastructure that is up on poles underground? Then we wouldn't have to restring (& repole) all that shiat every time this happens or there is a big wind or ice storm.

This has been suggested several times, and in many cases, such as certain places in South Florida (yes, they actually got SOMETHING right), have routed power underground.

I also find it amusing how my comments seem to bring out all of the meteorological, geological, and aerodynamic experts showing that NOTHING can survive the CAT5, F5, 9.0 EARTHA-FIRE-CANE concrete liquefying  Zombie Apocalypse.

ok, I get it, we're ALL going to die.

Therefore, all of you who have taken a tornado in the ass and tossed the salad of hurricane Sally, James, Butch and know better than the experts, I leave you the following:

Please build your mobile home in OK/TX/KS, your summer home on a cliff in California, and a time share in Nawlins, because if you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough.


It's simple, really.  People don't like to live in bunkers.
 
2013-05-21 03:51:31 PM  
edit: i guess you could double the truss system from 24" O.C. to 12" O.C. or simply do a gang truss 24" O.C. all the way across
 
2013-05-21 03:51:50 PM  
No matter what people do to prepare no matter how you build no one can guarantee what will work and what wont for a specific disaster

Can we lay off the blame game and concentrate on recovery and rebuilding lives

To all those who say just move dont live there dont build there did you ever consider that not everyone chooses where to live some people like military or religious workers or unemployed/poor cant say i wont live there it is dangerous people are assigned/stationed/ordered to be in that area
 
2013-05-21 03:52:19 PM  

bedtundy: 43 minutes of KFOR OKC Channel 4 coverage of Moore Tornado, for those interested.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga7niHGgSN4

They did an awesome job of getting the warnings out, and communicating with storm chasers.

Hope those in Southeastern OK, Central/Northeast TX, and other points in the midwest stay safe today.


Man, that was freaking incredible. Fantastic coordination of storm chasers, tweets, helicopters, meteorologists, police. No BS, just getting shiat done. This is how news should be, and I'm donating to their station as soon as I can get more info. Seriously, watch this video.
 
2013-05-21 03:59:51 PM  
I listened to the OK City Police on a scanner for a few hours just after it hit Moore and it was completely surreal.  They were running out of resources (cops, ambulances, fire, etc.) and surrounding communities were dispatching just about all they had.  Some of what I heard:
-  Military copters enroute for DB's (dead bodies) and survivors
-  We (a nearby city) are enroute with 50 cars (cops) and ambulances
-  The schools are gone
-  The hospital is gone
And there were gas leaks everywhere.  This was unreal.
 
2013-05-21 04:10:05 PM  
Moore Tornado upgraded to an EF5:

PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NORMAN OK
250 PM CDT TUE MAY 21 2013

...NWS DAMAGE SURVEY FOR 5/20/2013 NEWCASTLE/MOORE TORNADO EVENT -
UPDATE 3...

...NWS DAMAGE SURVEY HAS NOW RATED THE NEWCASTLE/MOORE TORNADO AS EF5...

.OVERVIEW...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DISPATCHED FOUR DAMAGE SURVEY TEAMS TO
THE PATH OF THE NEWCASTLE/MOORE OK TORNADO. NEW STATEMENTS WILL BE
ISSUED THROUGHOUT THE DAY AS THESE TEAMS REPORT FINDINGS. THIS
INFORMATION REMAINS PRELIMINARY AND THE INFORMATION HERE COULD
CHANGE.

.NEWCASTLE/MOORE TORNADO

RATING: EF5
ESTIMATED PEAK WIND: 200-210 MPH
PATH LENGTH /STATUTE/: 17 MILES
PATH WIDTH /MAXIMUM/: 1.3 MILES
FATALITIES: N/A
INJURIES: N/A

START DATE: MAY 20 2013
START TIME: 2:45 PM CDT
START LOCATION: 4.4 W NEWCASTLE /GRADY COUNTY /OK
START LAT/LON: 35.2580 / -97.6775

END DATE: MAY 20 2013
END TIME: 3:35 PM CDT
END LOCATION: 4.8 E OF MOORE OK /CLEVELAND COUNTY /OK
END LAT/LON: 35.3409 / -97.4007

SURVEY SUMMARY: EXPERTS SURVEYING IN MOORE HAVE DETERMINED DAMAGE IS
EF5 WITH MAXIMUM WINDS OVER 200 MPH. FOUR SURVEY TEAMS CONTINUE TO
INSPECT DAMAGE FROM THIS LONG TRACK TORNADO. INITIAL DAMAGE WAS
FOUND AROUND 4.4 MILES WEST OF NEWCASTLE...SOUTH OF TECUMSEH ROAD
ALSO KNOWN AS NW 16TH STREET AND EAST LAKE ROAD. THE TORNADO TRACKED
NE TO THE INTERSTATE 44 BRIDGE OVER THE CANADIAN RIVER AND THEN TOOK
A MORE EASTWARD TRACK THROUGH MOORE. TORNADO DAMAGE ABRUPTLY ENDS
0.3 MILES EAST OF AIR DEPOT ROAD AND N OF SE 134TH ST.

INITIALLY PRODUCING EF0 AND EF1 DAMAGE THE STORM INTENSIFIED VERY
RAPIDLY IN 4 MILES OR AROUND 10 MINUTES PRODUCING EF4 DAMAGE BEFORE
REACHING INTERSTATE 44. NUMEROUS INDICATIONS OF EF4 DAMAGE WITH SOME
AREAS NOW DETERMINED AT EF5 DAMAGE...THE HIGHEST CATEGORY ON THE EF
SCALE...WITH OVER 200 MPH WINDS.

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION SUCH AS MAXIMUM PATH WIDTH WILL BE UPDATED
AS THE TEAMS COMPLETE THEIR SURVEYS.
 
2013-05-21 04:15:59 PM  

Random Name Generator: Moore Tornado upgraded to an EF5:


Not surprising.  Thanks for update.
 
2013-05-21 04:19:02 PM  
I'm sorry but the correct answer is "Moops"


It was the Moops Tornado.
 
2013-05-21 04:19:40 PM  

TanSau: Medic Zero: yadda yadda yadda Confabulat: TanSau:

As long as we are dreaming about remaking everything, why the hell don't we move all the powerlines and other infrastructure that is up on poles underground? Then we wouldn't have to restring (& repole) all that shiat every time this happens or there is a big wind or ice storm.

This has been suggested several times, and in many cases, such as certain places in South Florida (yes, they actually got SOMETHING right), have routed power underground.

I also find it amusing how my comments seem to bring out all of the meteorological, geological, and aerodynamic experts showing that NOTHING can survive the CAT5, F5, 9.0 EARTHA-FIRE-CANE concrete liquefying  Zombie Apocalypse.

ok, I get it, we're ALL going to die.

Therefore, all of you who have taken a tornado in the ass and tossed the salad of hurricane Sally, James, Butch and know better than the experts, I leave you the following:

Please build your mobile home in OK/TX/KS, your summer home on a cliff in California, and a time share in Nawlins, because if you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough.


I've had the misfortune of experiencing three tornadic episodes in my life, and while they were nothing near what happened yesterday, rest assured that each one was a "loss of bowel control" event. Trust me, you really don't want to look that beast in the eye - even if it's a measley little EF-1.

I think the "meteorological, geological, and aerodynamic expert" Farkers are trying to say that in a natural disaster of the magnitude that we saw yesterday in Moore, you're going to need a lot of luck to survive. Living/sheltering in a geodesic dome doesn't necessarily increase your odds of a favorable outcome when winds are in excess of 200 mph and the storm moves so slowly that it literally chews up everything in its path and tosses the remains for miles upon miles. The only sure-fire way to ensure survival is to flee the area PRONTO, or get underground.

farm8.staticflickr.com
 
2013-05-21 04:19:44 PM  

Shadow Blasko: Flab: ds_4815: Shadow Blasko: http://www.fark.com/comments/1641841/New-Orleans-National-Weather-Ser v ice-officially-loses-all-bowel-control

The NWS Katrina "If you didn't leave, y'all gonna die!" bulletin thread.

Much obliged. I've only been a Farker since 2010, interesting read for later.

Surface CAPEs for Detroit and Cincinnati (no Columbus sounding) are 700 and 900, respectively, for 12Z. (Most up-to-date soundings I can find, no specials put up yet.) I actually have GRLevel3, but I've never done anything with CAPE or soundings for that matter with it. How would I go about doing that?

Unfortunately, folllowing the link to the NWS gives you today's weather forecast for NOLA.  It was scary.

Here is the actual text of the bulletin:

000
WWUS74 KLIX 281550
NPWLIX
URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW ORLEANS LA
1011 AM CDT SUN AUG 28 2005

...DEVASTATING DAMAGE EXPECTED...

.HURRICANE KATRINA...A MOST POWERFUL HURRICANE WITH UNPRECEDENTED
STRENGTH...RIVALING THE INTENSITY OF HURRICANE CAMILLE OF 1969.
MOST OF THE AREA WILL BE UNINHABITABLE FOR WEEKS...PERHAPS LONGER. AT
LEAST ONE HALF OF WELL CONSTRUCTED HOMES WILL HAVE ROOF AND WALL
FAILURE. ALL GABLED ROOFS WILL FAIL...LEAVING THOSE HOMES SEVERELY
DAMAGED OR DESTROYED.

THE MAJORITY OF INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS WILL BECOME NON FUNCTIONAL.
PARTIAL TO COMPLETE WALL AND ROOF FAILURE IS EXPECTED. ALL WOOD
FRAMED LOW RISING APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL BE DESTROYED. CONCRETE
BLOCK LOW RISE APARTMENTS WILL SUSTAIN MAJOR DAMAGE...INCLUDING SOME
WALL AND ROOF FAILURE.

HIGH RISE OFFICE AND APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL SWAY DANGEROUSLY...A
FEW TO THE POINT OF TOTAL COLLAPSE. ALL WINDOWS WILL BLOW OUT.
AIRBORNE DEBRIS WILL BE WIDESPREAD...AND MAY INCLUDE HEAVY ITEMS SUCH
AS HOUSEHOLD APPLIANCES AND EVEN LIGHT VEHICLES. SPORT UTILITY
VEHICLES AND LIGHT TRUCKS WILL BE MOVED. THE BLOWN DEBRIS WILL CREATE
ADDITIONAL DESTRUCTION. PERSONS...PETS...AND LIVESTOCK EXPOSED TO THE
WINDS WILL FACE CERTAIN DEATH IF STRUCK.

POWE ...


holy crap, I never saw that before and I have been a lurker since 2002 (first account in 2005 I think, forgot password, still remember the username though)

If you read something like that from a legitimate source.....RUN
 
2013-05-21 04:23:14 PM  

RatOmeter: nukeim: Medic Zero: thisisyourbrainonFark: dumbandilikeit: They had about 20-30mins of warnings, but not much you can do when faced with a storm of that size.

Obvious questions will be whether Plaza Towers and other buildings had underground storm shelters and whether building codes mandate them. Assume they will be now. But if the storm hit as quick as you say, mandatory shelters don't mean jack if you can't get to them.
As another farker said, some of these suburbs look like Dresden times 10.

Early reports had the kids sheltering in a central hallway.

How any building built in Oklahoma can be made out of anything less than concrete and lack a shelter I have no idea. Might as well build on a flood plain.

That school probably was concrete. But like was said (and linked, with a video) above...You throw THAT much crap, THAT hard, at just about any structure, it's going to fail. How thick does a wall need to be to stop an airborne minivan? Pretty much underground is the only safe way to do this, but not a basement, as 1) there aren't many basements in OK due to groundwater or something like that...Houses just aren't built with them and 2) You going to make an underground storm shelter big enough for a thousand kids in EVERY school?

I hope so...But I won't hold my breath.

Superintendent for my local school district just sent this by email:

"In light of the recent tragedy in Moore, we found it appropriate to communicate with you about our school facilities.
The two new elementary schools were designed with pupil safety in mind. Each school has integrated reinforced concrete 'tube' hallways with drop down steel doors to seal these spaces. There are five such areas at the new Highland Park and two larger areas on the first floor at the new Will Rogers. We have taken the design elements of a FEMA safe room and incorporated them into a useful school building with room for 1200 inhabitants as per the following:
1. Specified hallway spaces with 8" reinforced concrete wa ...


Well, lookie there! All you nay-sayers! "Can't be done" "Too expensive" "We don't have the money for that"
 
2013-05-21 04:47:21 PM  
LOL
i.imgur.com

There's me... Southeast of Columbus. Sun is shining, birds are singing.. and there is a KICKASS thunderstorm 1 mile south of me.
 
2013-05-21 04:56:00 PM  

4NTLRZ: TanSau: Medic Zero: yadda yadda yadda Confabulat: TanSau:

As long as we are dreaming about remaking everything, why the hell don't we move all the powerlines and other infrastructure that is up on poles underground? Then we wouldn't have to restring (& repole) all that shiat every time this happens or there is a big wind or ice storm.

This has been suggested several times, and in many cases, such as certain places in South Florida (yes, they actually got SOMETHING right), have routed power underground.

I also find it amusing how my comments seem to bring out all of the meteorological, geological, and aerodynamic experts showing that NOTHING can survive the CAT5, F5, 9.0 EARTHA-FIRE-CANE concrete liquefying  Zombie Apocalypse.

ok, I get it, we're ALL going to die.

Therefore, all of you who have taken a tornado in the ass and tossed the salad of hurricane Sally, James, Butch and know better than the experts, I leave you the following:

Please build your mobile home in OK/TX/KS, your summer home on a cliff in California, and a time share in Nawlins, because if you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough.

I've had the misfortune of experiencing three tornadic episodes in my life, and while they were nothing near what happened yesterday, rest assured that each one was a "loss of bowel control" event. Trust me, you really don't want to look that beast in the eye - even if it's a measley little EF-1.

I think the "meteorological, geological, and aerodynamic expert" Farkers are trying to say that in a natural disaster of the magnitude that we saw yesterday in Moore, you're going to need a lot of luck to survive. Living/sheltering in a geodesic dome doesn't necessarily increase your odds of a favorable outcome when winds are in excess of 200 mph and the storm moves so slowly that it literally chews up everything in its path and tosses the remains for miles upon miles. The only sure-fire waay to ensure survival is to flee the area PRONTO, or get underground.

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How often are they slow moving F5's? Can't we build for the more common F3's and below and realize that bigger than that is going to probably overmatch it? This is what we do for earthquakes, virtually nothing is made to stand against an 8 or 9, IIRC 6 used to be the standard, but I think in some places it's been bumped up to 7. It sounds like everyone is argueing against doing anything at all because F5's and ricther 9's happen.
 
2013-05-21 05:03:48 PM  

TanSau: Medic Zero: yadda yadda yadda Confabulat: TanSau:

As long as we are dreaming about remaking everything, why the hell don't we move all the powerlines and other infrastructure that is up on poles underground? Then we wouldn't have to restring (& repole) all that shiat every time this happens or there is a big wind or ice storm.

This has been suggested several times, and in many cases, such as certain places in South Florida (yes, they actually got SOMETHING right), have routed power underground.

I also find it amusing how my comments seem to bring out all of the meteorological, geological, and aerodynamic experts showing that NOTHING can survive the CAT5, F5, 9.0 EARTHA-FIRE-CANE concrete liquefying  Zombie Apocalypse.

ok, I get it, we're ALL going to die.

Therefore, all of you who have taken a tornado in the ass and tossed the salad of hurricane Sally, James, Butch and know better than the experts, I leave you the following:

Please build your mobile home in OK/TX/KS, your summer home on a cliff in California, and a time share in Nawlins, because if you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough.


Dear DerpTau:

I invite you to find somewhere in North America--nay, on the whole happy waterlogged bit of rock and organic material we call Earth--somewhere that is safe from a natural disaster that is capable of destroying even well-built construction.

Difficulty in this--there really ARE a lot of ways things can go sideways thanks to Mother Nature (whom at times can be a real motherfarker):

1) There really are a surprising number of cracks in the ground that move, a lot of times in places you don't expect them (one of the more dangerous regions in the US for earthquakes is the Mississippi River basin, thanks to a failed attempt by North America to split itself into two continents right around the Ediacaran era; even worse, we know rather less about how seismic systems work in failed rift zones than we do in more traditional seismic zones like subduction faults (Cascadia, Fukushima, et al) or strike-slip faults (pretty much the entire farking state of California below Sacramento or so--basically Baja California is trying very, very hard to become North America's own Madagascar).

Oh, and for bonus fun--there is apparently a known fault line that runs right under Manhattan which is expected to wreck a good part of New York City when it goes, and there are a lot of fault lines in the East Coast (remnants from the formation of the Appalachian Mountains) that even compared to the Mississippi Valley Rift Zone are very poorly documented--some are considered to potentially be as risky, but we know very little about these.  (We pretty much found ONE of these fault systems when it damn near took out the Washington Monument a year or three back.)

2) There are a lot of holes that tend to spew lava unexpectedly (some of which don't even look like what one would think of as a volcano--pretty much all of Yellowstone National Park is a massive dormant supervolcano that is a wee bit overdue for its next eruption) and the really big superheated-molten-rock-spewing-holes can affect things pretty damn far away (explosive volcanoes like (INSERT UNPRONOUNCEABLE-BY-NON-VIKINGS ICELANDIC VOLCANOES HERE) and Mt. Pinatubo can fark up weather, big volcanic booms like Krakatoa and Mt. Tambora can pretty much wipe out growing seasons, and...well...the last time that Yellowstone blew its load there was foot-deep ash in North America just about to the Mississippi River and it did cause an Honest-To-Ithaqua Ice Age).

Oh, and even if the volcano doesn't wreck your home with (say) the supersonic cloud of toxic gas and burning rock dust (pyroclastic flows) or the huge flood of quickmud made out of essentially CEMENT when it flash-melts the glacier on top of the volcano (lahars--this is one of the real killers in volcanoes, and why Portland is nicely farked when Mt. Ranier goes) just the ash is more than capable of collapsing buildings.   Mt. St. Helens was a little volcanic boom and there were still homes some 200 miles away that had collapsed roofs from its ash.

3) About the only ocean that DIDN'T get hurricane-like storms until recently was the South Atlantic, and thanks to global climate change we're even starting to get hurricanes in Brazil (which is goddamned astonishing in its own way that they're now common enough they've had to come up with a formal naming system for South Atlantic hurricanes--up until the early 90s, hurricane-like storms in the Mediterranean and the Great Lakes were actually more common (yes, there are storms that have formed that would be classified as hurricanes or at the very least as subtropical storms that have formed in both big bodies of water).  Hurricanes also have a tendency to actually keep themselves at hurricane strength fairly well inland (quite away from the beach)--some of the worse weather the UK gets is from hurricanes from the Atlantic Coast hitting, and I personally had LOTS of fun with Hurricane Ivan (which actually kept its hurricane strength WELL up into Kentucky--farker knocked my power out for two weeks).

4) Big Snow, much like Big Volcanic Earth Hershey-Squirts, can ALSO knock down roofs and such.  Doubly so if instead of Big Snow it becomes Big Ice, which tends to be heavier and a lot harder to remove.  (Yes, in our last ice-storm from hell, people actually lost roofs over it...because the weight of the ice caused even new roofs to collapse.  I will note that there WERE areas that received well over two inches of ice, and that much ice on a roof's full surface is HEAVY.)

5) We are getting pretty damn good at predicting weather, but we are not quite good enough to predict where a bit of whirlydoom will hit less than about thirty minutes in advance (the mere fact we can issue "enhanced risk" tornado watches and GIVE the thirty minutes warning is nothing short of spectacular--tornadoes are pretty much THE prototypical example of what happens when a chaotic system goes into a runaway condition for a bit).  If we were to abandon every state where there is a higher-than-usual risk of severe wind damage (including not just tornadoes but derechos--"straight line" wind damage that can be every bit as powerful as a category 5 hurricane or EF3 tornado at its worst) the only places people would be able to live would be along the West Coast (where there's an extreme risk of volcanism and fault lines) or the East Coast (which is...also...at risk of hurricane winds, flooding, severe winter storms, and fault systems that are even more poorly documented than the Wabash and New Madrid faultlines and potentially just as risky).

I'm not kidding on the "you'd have to abandon pretty much everywhere in North America where we can grow food", either.  Here is a map of major tornadogenesis in the US:

upload.wikimedia.org

And here is a map of four of the five commonly recognised Tornado Alleys (the fifth is basically the entire state of Florida):


(Yes, this is where most of the food that's grown in the US comes from that doesn't come from California or Florida.  Except that Florida is a tornadogenic and hurricane-prone region, and California is fault-ridden and has the occasional dormant and semidormant volcano.  Good luck trying to move everyone to Arizona or Alaska--wait, nope, Alaska is out too because they have many, many versions of the Cascadia fault zone.)

6) Oh, one thing I also didn't mention--floods.  You hinted at this with New Orleans, but a lot of areas do get floods, and sometimes in very surprising areas...Arizona tends to get the shiat flooded out of it during the times it DOES get rain and it's not damn near the hottest spot on the planet.  Lots of areas that aren't within the 100-year flood plain can flood.  There's even a human-made reason why stuff will flood--humans have learned from Beaver how to make dams to keep water around during droughts, and sometimes those dams will either break (either from age, bad construction, or--ironically--a shiatload of water from the sky) or will overflow...thus resulting in a shiat-ton of water exerting a shiat-ton of force to scour the shiat out of anything in its way.

(And not exaggerating on that, either.  A lot of how the Colorado River has a lot of canyons--most famously the Grand Canyon but also the Black Canyon of the Gunnison--is because it regularly has flooded through most of its geologic history, and a fair amount of the canyon-building did happen when a glacial lake (which formerly covered most of the state of Utah) broke.  Hell, the floods (from what were essentially river tsunamis) during the Three Months of Hell in New Madrid in 1811 and 1812 managed to change the course of the Mississippi and Ohio Rivers as well (to the point you have little bits of interesting irregularities in crossing the Ohio starting from about Henderson south--like little bits of land before you hit the river proper that are in the "wrong state" because they did the "this is where Indiana is" survey based on the OLD pre-1812 course of the Ohio).)

What is more practical, IMHO...you should try to make a home storm-ready, yes, but this includes not only stuff like "not building in a 100-year flood plain" and "use hurricane straps in construction if you live in a Force IV wind field" but also "Here's what to do when Shiat Gets Real and Mother Nature Decides To Be A Motherfarker".
 
2013-05-21 05:06:59 PM  
Aaaaand since Fark didn't like my second pic, here's another pic of four of the five recognised Tornado Alleys:

edn-systems.com

Again...unless you live in California (where you get to worry about wildfires and earthquakes and possibly even supervolcano eruptions--hi, Lake Mammoth!) good luck living anywhere that ISN'T in a Tornado Alley if you actually, you know, like to make food happen and not have the US relying on donations from UNICEF.
 
2013-05-21 05:09:01 PM  
Tornado warning!

...For Massachusetts and Connecticut?

Goddamned East Coast bias.
 
2013-05-21 05:20:14 PM  

Fiction Fan: "was the middle video photo-shopped"

technically you can Photoshop (no hyphen) a video, but it's tough to do.
Comes out grainy, usually has to be in GIF format, even when you manage it out of GIF it's still in low quality and you can create something faster, more believable and fun to watch in Motion, After Effects or Final Cut. Hell, even Sony Vegas or iMovie can do it better with a video than Photoshop.

So to answer your question, I don't know.
But probably not Photoshop. Probably After Effects.


Yeah, going to blame the phone on the hyphen. It auto corrects so damned much on the latest update that I gave up correcting the auto correct. The Photoshop comment is pertaining to the static "play" screen image which makes no sense, and is nowhere to be found in the video.
 
2013-05-21 05:23:29 PM  

RatOmeter: nukeim: Medic Zero: thisisyourbrainonFark: dumbandilikeit: They had about 20-30mins of warnings, but not much you can do when faced with a storm of that size.

Obvious questions will be whether Plaza Towers and other buildings had underground storm shelters and whether building codes mandate them. Assume they will be now. But if the storm hit as quick as you say, mandatory shelters don't mean jack if you can't get to them.
As another farker said, some of these suburbs look like Dresden times 10.

Early reports had the kids sheltering in a central hallway.

How any building built in Oklahoma can be made out of anything less than concrete and lack a shelter I have no idea. Might as well build on a flood plain.

That school probably was concrete. But like was said (and linked, with a video) above...You throw THAT much crap, THAT hard, at just about any structure, it's going to fail. How thick does a wall need to be to stop an airborne minivan? Pretty much underground is the only safe way to do this, but not a basement, as 1) there aren'