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2013-05-21 10:21:04 AM

Flab: these tornadoes is


/FTFM.
 
2013-05-21 10:22:42 AM

mrshowrules: muck4doo: Good speech by Obama.

He always gets it right.


I'm as Conservative as it gets, but I agree. He gets it right in times of disaster. Reagan was also pretty good at that. Both have/had the power to bring a Nation up when things have gone wrong. Both Bush's and Clinton could also do that at times, but not with the same mastery Reagan and Obama do/did. Carter would just scare me. I have confidence Obama will take care of this situation the best he can as more info comes in.
 
2013-05-21 10:25:20 AM

PacificaFitz: wxboy: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/oklahoma-medical-examiners-office-r e vises-death-toll-down-to-24-including-7-children.php

Looks like it was revised down from 51 to 24, and down to 7 kids from 20.

some people may have been counted more than once?  If you have 24 bodies that means your in a circular room counting the bodies and just keep going around and around?  WTF?


Or, you know, the bodies weren't all whole...
 
2013-05-21 10:26:07 AM

Flab: mrshowrules: muck4doo: Good speech by Obama.

He His speechwriter always gets it right.

But, yeah.  Good speech.


I'm sure he is the first President to have others write speeches for him ever, Right?

Look, it's not just the words, but how someone delivers it. Obama is good at it. Give credit where it is due.

/Not answering anything more on this. Feels like the politics tab now.
 
2013-05-21 10:28:47 AM

Flab: The thing that seriously bugs me about these tornades is: why doesn't anyone in Tornado Alley have basements?

I don't buy the "water-table's too high" argument.  Buy a freaking sump pump, if you're afraid of water seeping in.


Seriously? This has been answered about 500 times. The ground is incredibly hard in many parts of OK. It is cost prohibitive and/or impossible to build basements in many areas.
 
2013-05-21 10:29:15 AM

Flab: The thing that seriously bugs me about these tornades is: why doesn't anyone in Tornado Alley have basements?

I don't buy the "water-table's too high" argument.  Buy a freaking sump pump, if you're afraid of water seeping in.


Because you don't need them.  You dont have to worry about a frost line going very deep in the winter, so theres no need to have utilities buried 6+ feet deep like we do here in Iowa.  Since you dont have to have your utilities so deep, theres no need for a basement, you can just build a house on a slab.  Saves $10-20,000 on the construction cost of a single family home.
 
2013-05-21 10:30:52 AM

Flab: The thing that seriously bugs me about these tornades is: why doesn't anyone in Tornado Alley have basements?

I don't buy the "water-table's too high" argument.  Buy a freaking sump pump, if you're afraid of water seeping in.


Seeing as someone posted that a tornado bunker is only about $3K, the real question is why they don't have those.  I assume a basement must cost more than $30K to have.  The building code should require a tornado shelter within a 100 yards of any primary residence.
 
2013-05-21 10:31:50 AM

muck4doo: Flab: mrshowrules: muck4doo: Good speech by Obama.

He His speechwriter always gets it right.

But, yeah.  Good speech.

I'm sure he is the first President to have others write speeches for him ever, Right?

Look, it's not just the words, but how someone delivers it. Obama is good at it. Give credit where it is due.

/Not answering anything more on this. Feels like the politics tab now.


It was not meant to be a political jab.  I agree, he's a great orator, and probably has personal input into the content of the speech as well.

And quite frankly, I WANT him to have speechwriters.  He should have been on the phone with people coordinating stuff  from 2:45PM yesterday until this morning, not sitting at his computer writing a speech.
 
2013-05-21 10:32:03 AM

dave2198: Or, you know, the bodies weren't all whole...


Or they didn't actually have bodies, just guesses that there may have been n people in this building and m of them may have got out, and did you hear that there's another building on fire and there must have been half a dozen in it and so on. Everybody loves a disaster so all the worst-case guesses are added together, bundled with a few verifiable facts and sold on to the public just as subprime mortgages were sold to investors with a few solid loans thrown in to sweeten the deal.
 
2013-05-21 10:32:03 AM

muck4doo: mrshowrules: muck4doo: Good speech by Obama.

He always gets it right.

I'm as Conservative as it gets, but I agree. He gets it right in times of disaster. Reagan was also pretty good at that. Both have/had the power to bring a Nation up when things have gone wrong. Both Bush's and Clinton could also do that at times, but not with the same mastery Reagan and Obama do/did. Carter would just scare me. I have confidence Obama will take care of this situation the best he can as more info comes in.


I'm as Liberal as they come but I also think Dubya came off as sincere when he did this stuff.
 
2013-05-21 10:33:05 AM

Flab: The thing that seriously bugs me about these tornades is: why doesn't anyone in Tornado Alley have basements?

I don't buy the "water-table's too high" argument.  Buy a freaking sump pump, if you're afraid of water seeping in.


Sump pumps usually run on electrical power, which frequently fails during violent storms.

Make your argument to the parents of the kids who farking drowned in their school's farking basement.
 
2013-05-21 10:34:29 AM

BillTheCat: Flab: The thing that seriously bugs me about these tornades is: why doesn't anyone in Tornado Alley have basements?

I don't buy the "water-table's too high" argument.  Buy a freaking sump pump, if you're afraid of water seeping in.

Because you don't need them.  You dont have to worry about a frost line going very deep in the winter, so theres no need to have utilities buried 6+ feet deep like we do here in Iowa.  Since you dont have to have your utilities so deep, theres no need for a basement, you can just build a house on a slab.  Saves $10-20,000 on the construction cost of a single family home.


Makes sense.  I live in Ottawa in Canada and I don't know a single person who doesn't have a basement.  Some cottages but all primary residences of people I know, have at least 3/4 basements.
 
2013-05-21 10:34:53 AM

Flab: He should have been on the phone with people coordinating stuff  from 2:45PM yesterday until this morning, not sitting at his computer writing a speech.


Really? You think the President of the United States of America should be making phone calls to do hands on organisation of relief efforts for (in the great scheme of things) a tiny, localised bit of extremely bad weather?
 
2013-05-21 10:37:23 AM
My employer has started an internal fund to donate to the Red Cross.  All employee donations will be matched by the company.

I'd like to encourage y'all to help out in your own way, if you can.
 
2013-05-21 10:39:22 AM
farm8.staticflickr.com
 
2013-05-21 10:40:11 AM

dave2198: The ground is incredibly hard in many parts of OK.


1. Dig until you hit bedrock.
2. Pour reinforced concrete foundation.
3. Pack dirt around it to make it look like a basement.

Just like we do up here in Kanukistan.  My basement floor is probably not more than 2' lower than the street.

BillTheCat: Since you dont have to have your utilities so deep, theres no need for a basement, you can just build a house on a slab.

  Saves $10-20,000 on the construction cost of a single family home.

Maybe it's just me, but I'd prefer spending the extra 10 grand to have a saferoom, rather than having familiy members decapitated by flying 2x4s and appliances.
 
2013-05-21 10:42:05 AM

Flab: It was not meant to be a political jab.


Yes it was, and this isn't the time for that.
 
2013-05-21 10:44:36 AM

muck4doo: TanSau: Confabulat: TanSau: Let's be honest here.

If you live in a tornado or hurricane prone area, and don't have a home/school constructed like this:

http://www.monolithic.com/

Then I have no sympathy for you.

That's hilarious. I suppose the entire Eastern coast of the USA needs to adopt your little hobbit homes before you are willing to shed a tear if they die. You are a very wise person, said no one ever.

Not my company.

and you're right, the entire east coast needs to have a strong infrastructure.

You'll be crying on the doorstep of those hobbit homes during/after a Cat 5 or F5

BTW, you're part of the problem.

Where do you live at that is immune to natural disasters?


It's not about living in a location that is devoid of natural disaster.
It's about being PREPARED for the disasters in your area.
dumbass
 
2013-05-21 10:46:07 AM

dave2198: Flab: The thing that seriously bugs me about these tornades is: why doesn't anyone in Tornado Alley have basements?

I don't buy the "water-table's too high" argument.  Buy a freaking sump pump, if you're afraid of water seeping in.

Seriously? This has been answered about 500 times. The ground is incredibly hard in many parts of OK. It is cost prohibitive and/or impossible to build basements in many areas.


It's not just that it's hard.  Much of it is dense red clay which doesn't drain well at all.  It also expands and shrinks an amazing amount with changes in water content.  So not only do you have to worry about water/drainage, but also the hydraulic forces working to crush the structure and/or push it up out of the ground.  It is possible to make a basement in Oklahoma.  It's just not that practical for most.

What *is* practical and hard to excuse omitting:

www.fraidyhole.com
 
2013-05-21 10:46:35 AM

jfarkinB: Flab: The thing that seriously bugs me about these tornades is: why doesn't anyone in Tornado Alley have basements?

I don't buy the "water-table's too high" argument.  Buy a freaking sump pump, if you're afraid of water seeping in.

Sump pumps usually run on electrical power, which frequently fails during violent storms.

Make your argument to the parents of the kids who farking drowned in their school's farking basement.


My sump-pump has a small computer UPS unit, in case I need it to work during a power outage.  It only runs when it rains heavily for more than a day or two, so in my case, there's a chance - albeit small - I would need it while the power is out.  I'm on relatively high ground, so it's not like my entire basement would get flooded, anyway, but if I was living in an area where it required frequent or heavy use, I'd probably have a generator.
 
2013-05-21 10:46:46 AM

jfarkinB: Flab: The thing that seriously bugs me about these tornades is: why doesn't anyone in Tornado Alley have basements?

I don't buy the "water-table's too high" argument.  Buy a freaking sump pump, if you're afraid of water seeping in.

Sump pumps usually run on electrical power, which frequently fails during violent storms.

Make your argument to the parents of the kids who farking drowned in their school's farking basement.


Plus, if the main water supply into a basement is busted you are farked even if you have electricity because no sump pump works that fast.
 
2013-05-21 10:50:08 AM

muck4doo: Flab: It was not meant to be a political jab.

Yes it was, and this isn't the time for that.


Not it wasn't.  You are seeing things that aren't there.  I am well aware that this isn't the time for politics-tab antics.
 
2013-05-21 10:50:56 AM

TanSau: It's about being PREPARED for the disasters in your area.


I'm a renter. I don't own a house. Do I have to rent a hobbit home before you care if I die? Because to be honest, I don't care if you care at all, you sound like a really dumb person.
 
2013-05-21 10:53:47 AM

TanSau: muck4doo: TanSau: Confabulat: TanSau: Let's be honest here.

If you live in a tornado or hurricane prone area, and don't have a home/school constructed like this:

http://www.monolithic.com/

Then I have no sympathy for you.

That's hilarious. I suppose the entire Eastern coast of the USA needs to adopt your little hobbit homes before you are willing to shed a tear if they die. You are a very wise person, said no one ever.

Not my company.

and you're right, the entire east coast needs to have a strong infrastructure.

You'll be crying on the doorstep of those hobbit homes during/after a Cat 5 or F5

BTW, you're part of the problem.

Where do you live at that is immune to natural disasters?

It's not about living in a location that is devoid of natural disaster.
It's about being PREPARED for the disasters in your area.
dumbass


So how do you prepare a city for an F5 tornado, a major 9.0 earthquake or Major Tsunami hitting the East Coast? An asteroid hitting you? How do you prepare for massive California wildfires? Are you going to put a big ass sprinkler system over all of their woods? Let's hear your thoughts on how to prepare for those events, and make it economically feasible. I'm betting you still haven't figured out how to solve the homeless situation in your neighborhood.
 
2013-05-21 10:53:53 AM

mrshowrules: jfarkinB: Flab: The thing that seriously bugs me about these tornades is: why doesn't anyone in Tornado Alley have basements?

I don't buy the "water-table's too high" argument.  Buy a freaking sump pump, if you're afraid of water seeping in.

Sump pumps usually run on electrical power, which frequently fails during violent storms.

Make your argument to the parents of the kids who farking drowned in their school's farking basement.

Plus, if the main water supply into a basement is busted you are farked even if you have electricity because no sump pump works that fast.


Hell - you don't even need a water supply in the basement. A terriential downpour will find any holes you've missed. Eventually that water fills.

I remember being knee deep in a basement full of water during a tornado warning in Ohio. The sump pump couldn't work fast enough. Water was pouring in through the cellar doors (the slanted doors). Apparently the seal on our basement entry door was not entirely watertight. It was terrifying.
 
2013-05-21 10:54:25 AM

mrshowrules: jfarkinB: Flab: The thing that seriously bugs me about these tornades is: why doesn't anyone in Tornado Alley have basements?

I don't buy the "water-table's too high" argument.  Buy a freaking sump pump, if you're afraid of water seeping in.

Sump pumps usually run on electrical power, which frequently fails during violent storms.

Make your argument to the parents of the kids who farking drowned in their school's farking basement.

Plus, if the main water supply into a basement is busted you are farked even if you have electricity because no sump pump works that fast.


My house isn't that big.  The main water valve is three feet away from the sump pump ( plumbers are lazy.  Main water line and sewer drains run next to each other from the street to the house) and if the water main breaks, while I'm in the basement, I should be able to get to it.  I just need to get the Christmas decorations out of the way.

I'm aware that the situation on a large building such as a school or shopping mall would be very different, and thus should be planned accordingly.
 
2013-05-21 10:55:14 AM

Flab: muck4doo: Flab: It was not meant to be a political jab.

Yes it was, and this isn't the time for that.

Not it wasn't.  You are seeing things that aren't there.  I am well aware that this isn't the time for politics-tab antics.


I'll take your word for it.
 
2013-05-21 10:55:49 AM

Flab: dave2198: The ground is incredibly hard in many parts of OK.

1. Dig until you hit bedrock.
2. Pour reinforced concrete foundation.
3. Pack dirt around it to make it look like a basement.

Just like we do up here in Kanukistan.  My basement floor is probably not more than 2' lower than the street.

BillTheCat: Since you dont have to have your utilities so deep, theres no need for a basement, you can just build a house on a slab.  Saves $10-20,000 on the construction cost of a single family home.

Maybe it's just me, but I'd prefer spending the extra 10 grand to have a saferoom, rather than having familiy members decapitated by flying 2x4s and appliances.


Would you like to take a guess at how far you can dig in OK before hitting bedrock?
 
2013-05-21 10:55:54 AM

muck4doo: Flab: muck4doo: Flab: It was not meant to be a political jab.

Yes it was, and this isn't the time for that.

Not it wasn't.  You are seeing things that aren't there.  I am well aware that this isn't the time for politics-tab antics.

I'll take your word for it.


lets move on people
 
2013-05-21 10:58:12 AM

RatOmeter: dave2198: Flab: The thing that seriously bugs me about these tornades is: why doesn't anyone in Tornado Alley have basements?

I don't buy the "water-table's too high" argument.  Buy a freaking sump pump, if you're afraid of water seeping in.

Seriously? This has been answered about 500 times. The ground is incredibly hard in many parts of OK. It is cost prohibitive and/or impossible to build basements in many areas.

It's not just that it's hard.  Much of it is dense red clay which doesn't drain well at all.  It also expands and shrinks an amazing amount with changes in water content.  So not only do you have to worry about water/drainage, but also the hydraulic forces working to crush the structure and/or push it up out of the ground.  It is possible to make a basement in Oklahoma.  It's just not that practical for most.

What *is* practical and hard to excuse omitting:

[www.fraidyhole.com image 270x203]


*Ding ding ding*

We have a winner.

If you live in the Tornado Alley part of the Midwest... you need somewhere to go. It doesn't have to necessarily be a basement, but something subterranean is just common sense. The cost is minimal next to that of your life.
 
2013-05-21 10:59:21 AM
pbs.twimg.com
 
2013-05-21 11:00:56 AM

stock411: [pbs.twimg.com image 599x592]


I knew that shiat was rigged.
 
2013-05-21 11:01:10 AM

Bontesla: mrshowrules: jfarkinB: Flab: The thing that seriously bugs me about these tornades is: why doesn't anyone in Tornado Alley have basements?

I don't buy the "water-table's too high" argument.  Buy a freaking sump pump, if you're afraid of water seeping in.

Sump pumps usually run on electrical power, which frequently fails during violent storms.

Make your argument to the parents of the kids who farking drowned in their school's farking basement.

Plus, if the main water supply into a basement is busted you are farked even if you have electricity because no sump pump works that fast.

Hell - you don't even need a water supply in the basement. A terriential downpour will find any holes you've missed. Eventually that water fills.

I remember being knee deep in a basement full of water during a tornado warning in Ohio. The sump pump couldn't work fast enough. Water was pouring in through the cellar doors (the slanted doors). Apparently the seal on our basement entry door was not entirely watertight. It was terrifying.


It happened in my city 15 years ago.   Most people in the area had garages in their basements with driveways going down from the street.  Since then, the city changed its building code to prevents garages that are lower than street-level, and forced everyone to have french drains and sump pumps.  There are additional requirements for existing houses that have those basement garages.
 
2013-05-21 11:07:11 AM

muck4doo: mrshowrules: muck4doo: Good speech by Obama.

He always gets it right.

I'm as Conservative as it gets, but I agree. He gets it right in times of disaster. Reagan was also pretty good at that. Both have/had the power to bring a Nation up when things have gone wrong. Both Bush's and Clinton could also do that at times, but not with the same mastery Reagan and Obama do/did. Carter would just scare me. I have confidence Obama will take care of this situation the best he can as more info comes in.


GOBAMA!
 
2013-05-21 11:14:14 AM

mikaloyd: muck4doo: mrshowrules: muck4doo: Good speech by Obama.

He always gets it right.

I'm as Conservative as it gets, but I agree. He gets it right in times of disaster. Reagan was also pretty good at that. Both have/had the power to bring a Nation up when things have gone wrong. Both Bush's and Clinton could also do that at times, but not with the same mastery Reagan and Obama do/did. Carter would just scare me. I have confidence Obama will take care of this situation the best he can as more info comes in.

GOBAMA!


Go Oklahoma.
 
2013-05-21 11:14:49 AM

stock411: [pbs.twimg.com image 599x592]


At least the tornado didn't throw a complete gutter ball.
 
2013-05-21 11:16:31 AM
i.imgur.com

Dear OKC/Moore

Who did you piss off?!? I mean REALLY?

/Image current as of 11:16 EDT
 
2013-05-21 11:24:21 AM

Shadow Blasko: [i.imgur.com image 640x480]

Dear OKC/Moore

Who did you piss off?!? I mean REALLY?

/Image current as of 11:16 EDT


Don't sink to the same lows as religious fanatics/extremists. I guess you can blame this on global warming in the mean time.
 
2013-05-21 11:28:34 AM

stock411: [pbs.twimg.com image 599x592]


God has a sick sense of humour.
 
2013-05-21 11:31:33 AM

mrshowrules: stock411: [pbs.twimg.com image 599x592]

God has a sick sense of humour.


Surely someone is at fault.
 
2013-05-21 11:33:32 AM

Shadow Blasko: [i.imgur.com image 640x480]

Dear OKC/Moore

Who did you piss off?!? I mean REALLY?

/Image current as of 11:16 EDT


What's the difference between a diamond and a triangle, in that graph?
 
2013-05-21 11:38:51 AM
 
2013-05-21 11:40:04 AM

mrshowrules: stock411: [pbs.twimg.com image 599x592]

God has a sick sense of humour.


God has nothing to do with this. It proves this was a false-flag!
 
2013-05-21 11:40:51 AM

Flab: Shadow Blasko: [i.imgur.com image 640x480]

Dear OKC/Moore

Who did you piss off?!? I mean REALLY?

/Image current as of 11:16 EDT

What's the difference between a diamond and a triangle, in that graph?



Also whats with C8 going against the direction all the other arrows are going?
 
2013-05-21 11:41:30 AM

vygramul: mrshowrules: stock411: [pbs.twimg.com image 599x592]

God has a sick sense of humour.

God has nothing to do with this. It proves this was a false-flag!


Many think God is supposed to be their personal baby sitter.
 
2013-05-21 11:43:30 AM
Just had a line of showers roll through and shortly thereafter, the counties to our east and northeast got a warning. So it begins anew.
 
2013-05-21 11:45:24 AM

Flab: Shadow Blasko: [i.imgur.com image 640x480]

Dear OKC/Moore

Who did you piss off?!? I mean REALLY?

/Image current as of 11:16 EDT

What's the difference between a diamond and a triangle, in that graph?


Square is a hail core.  Diamond is a rotating mesocyclone.  Triangle is a radar indicated tornado vortex signature (not necessarily a tornado, but has the radar characteristics of one)
 
2013-05-21 11:45:26 AM

Flab: Shadow Blasko: [i.imgur.com image 640x480]

Dear OKC/Moore

Who did you piss off?!? I mean REALLY?

/Image current as of 11:16 EDT

What's the difference between a diamond and a triangle, in that graph?


Box= Storm
Diamond = Heavy storm/Mesocyclonic Rotation
Purple V = Tornadic Vortex Signature (Not always a tornado, just .. enough warning signs to tip the system)
 
2013-05-21 11:45:37 AM

fatalvenom: From Family Guy Sunday night...


That's farked up.
 
2013-05-21 11:45:42 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: Just had a line of showers roll through and shortly thereafter, the counties to our east and northeast got a warning. So it begins anew.


Stay safe.
 
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