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2013-05-21 05:41:08 AM
radblast-aws.wunderground.com

This might post..
 
2013-05-21 05:42:11 AM

Evilhippie: Not trying to rub salt in anyone's wound here, but I was sitting with my girlfriend and watching a newsfeed. It seems pretty much all houses in the path of the tornado are built with wood. I live in Northern Europe and we are used to some weather as well (no big tornadoes though). All our homes and buildings are built either with clay bricks or concrete - to offer proper shelter in e.g. a hurricane, and to keep heat inside during cold winters.

I just wonder, why on Earth would you build this many obviously vulnerable wooden homes in an area infamous for its rough weather? Haven't you guys ever heard of The Three Little Pigs?


places are built with what's cost effective for where they are.
 
2013-05-21 05:44:37 AM
Yeah Shadow, I saw that kicking up when I looked earlier, there was also a nasty arc ahead of that line too.
 
2013-05-21 05:45:53 AM

Captain Swoop: OK City scanners reporting more nasty weather imminent.....


Eh...This one aint gonna do squat.
 
2013-05-21 05:52:55 AM

Medic Zero: WhyteRaven74: Medic Zero: With enough concrete

The issue is not the wind speed, but what's in the wind. Concrete is actually fairly brittle, if you were to take a chunk of structural concrete and throw it on the ground you'd get it to at least produce a few chips, and depending on the shape and just how hard you threw it, it could actually shatter. Now a thick concrete wall can handle a two by four doing 100 miles an hour, but once you get up past 180, well the concrete will survive but not without some damage. What's more it's gonna get hit by stuff not only more massive but harder than that two by four. The rigidity of concrete will handle the wind speeds, however the brittleness means that it's what the wind is blowing around that will cause it to be compromised.

Who builds out of just concrete? It needs steel reinforcement inside it.


Exactly, but building 2' thick reinforced concrete walls and a steel roof anchored to the walls themselves for each school, and make it big enough for every student and faculty to take shelter in? The cost would be astronomical. Even building a steel reinforced concrete shelter above ground for a house can cost $10,000 easy, and that would just be for 3-4 people to take shelter in. The reports I heard yesterday indicated the school was made of concrete blocks; that's probably one of the worst materials for tornado resistance; the walls aren't very strong laterally, and the winds can easily push them over even with the rebar added to the walls every 3rd course of blocks or so. One option would be to fill the voids in certain concrete block walls with cement, making it more solid and resistant to overturning, and then reinforce the roof as well such as over the hallway. The rest of the building may collapse, but hopefully the interior portion would remain intact.

Not sure that a strong EF4 or EF5 tornado can realistically have a big shelter above ground designed against them, though.
 
2013-05-21 05:53:15 AM

nukeim: Captain Swoop: OK City scanners reporting more nasty weather imminent.....

Eh...This one aint gonna do squat.


It's gonna make rescue work wet and miserable, not to mention limiting light.
 
2013-05-21 06:00:16 AM

Shadow Blasko: nukeim: Captain Swoop: OK City scanners reporting more nasty weather imminent.....

Eh...This one aint gonna do squat.

It's gonna make rescue work wet and miserable, not to mention limiting light.


Exactly. The Command Post is calling in most units now who could be searching for survivors instead, so 'ain't gonna do squat' might matter a bit to somebody trapped under rubble.
 
2013-05-21 06:01:58 AM

Confabulat: I just woke up. Tornadoes, huh.


I never slept.

So much sadness around here.
 
2013-05-21 06:02:30 AM
Holy
farking
shiat

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/oklahoma-gop-sen-tom-cobur n-will-seek-to?ref=fpb
 
2013-05-21 06:04:02 AM

SomeOkieGirl: Confabulat: I just woke up. Tornadoes, huh.

I never slept.

So much sadness around here.


(hugs and support)

Help is coming. i don't know what else to say.
 
2013-05-21 06:04:04 AM

7th Son of a 7th Son: Mom lives in Edmond, dad lives in NW OKC. Both are okay. I was not expecting this storm to weaken as fast as it did, by the time it got to Stroud/Bristow it seemed to almost disintegrate.


I am glad that your family is okay.

I'm in the Tulsa area but have many friends near the area hit hardest. So very sad for them.
 
2013-05-21 06:09:44 AM

Captain Swoop: Shadow Blasko: nukeim: Captain Swoop: OK City scanners reporting more nasty weather imminent.....

Eh...This one aint gonna do squat.

It's gonna make rescue work wet and miserable, not to mention limiting light.

Exactly. The Command Post is calling in most units now who could be searching for survivors instead, so 'ain't gonna do squat' might matter a bit to somebody trapped under rubble.


I bet not a single person, or unit, stops searching...Not without a warm body taking their place anyway. Folks here don't operate like that.

*shrugs*

I just meant that it's not going to tear shiat up. No reason to get pissy.
 
2013-05-21 06:09:48 AM

Medic Zero: Who builds out of just concrete? It needs steel reinforcement inside it.


Oh, you want to build homes in Oklahoma with ICF walls instead of 2x6 frame?  Just increase the costs of your exterior walls by 2 or 3 times.  Say your original exterior wall cost was $6,000, now it's $20,000.

No problem.  So simple!  Right, guys?
 
2013-05-21 06:16:37 AM

Medic Zero: Tanks have had spall liners since WW2


Of course. So you use bigger missiles, or better shaped charges. Saying "but spall liners" is a bit like saying "but battlements".
 
2013-05-21 06:31:27 AM

Doubletwist-: Oh great, TWC just said to expect a 50% chance of seeing a tornado withing 25 miles of any particular spot along a pretty big swath of TX/AR/OK/LA - with DFW right in the meat of it. I guess I'll have to pay attention to the weather tomorrow.


Oh ffs.
 
2013-05-21 06:36:15 AM

nukeim: Triumph: Olfin Bedwere: 7th Son of a 7th Son: Looks like 91 from this specific twister.

It might be 200 by the time all is said and done

The TV warnings started about 40 minutes out. The sirens gave 16 minutes notice. The local TV guys did an amazing job of warning people that the only two options were to get below ground or flee. I can't imagine what the numbers would be like if this thing had hit at 3 a.m.

They told people YESTERDAY (talking about 19th) that this was going to be a day of killer tornadoes.


/mom lives(d) in Moore. Lost her house today :( But everybody is healthy :)


Thinking of you. I'm so sad she lost her home but glad she is okay.
 
2013-05-21 06:36:30 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-21 06:38:15 AM

nukeim: Captain Swoop: Shadow Blasko: nukeim: Captain Swoop: OK City scanners reporting more nasty weather imminent.....

Eh...This one aint gonna do squat.

It's gonna make rescue work wet and miserable, not to mention limiting light.

Exactly. The Command Post is calling in most units now who could be searching for survivors instead, so 'ain't gonna do squat' might matter a bit to somebody trapped under rubble.

I bet not a single person, or unit, stops searching...Not without a warm body taking their place anyway. Folks here don't operate like that.

*shrugs*

I just meant that it's not going to tear shiat up. No reason to get pissy.


Actually, they are... listening to scanner now. When bad weather hits, the command post calls in most units back to shelter pioints so that the searchers don't become storm victims themselves due to lightning, wind thrown debris (there is a lot of that now that wasn't there before the Tornado, so it doesn't have to 'tear shiat up' - it is already torn up and easily moved around now to hurt people). They will be back out the minute the front passes thru, but it still stops the action for a bit.

/Skywarn tornado spotter 81-89
//USAF Mishap response and Ground Search & Rescue 91-94
//not pissy, just trying to inform the uninformed
 
2013-05-21 06:38:58 AM

nukeim: Captain Swoop: Shadow Blasko: nukeim: Captain Swoop: OK City scanners reporting more nasty weather imminent.....

Eh...This one aint gonna do squat.

It's gonna make rescue work wet and miserable, not to mention limiting light.

Exactly. The Command Post is calling in most units now who could be searching for survivors instead, so 'ain't gonna do squat' might matter a bit to somebody trapped under rubble.

I bet not a single person, or unit, stops searching...Not without a warm body taking their place anyway. Folks here don't operate like that.

*shrugs*

I just meant that it's not going to tear shiat up. No reason to get pissy.


Folks nowhere operate like that.  No one area holds the monopoly on compassion.

Can't stand the farking platitudes after every disaster.  Oklahoma City isn't any more special than Boston is gritty or New York is resilient or farkng Bangladesh.  Everyone helps out and the somehow finds a way to go on with their lives.
 
2013-05-21 06:39:18 AM
Severe thunderstorm warning just issued for a couple counties west...
 
2013-05-21 06:41:22 AM

Shadow Blasko: Medic Zero: Who builds out of just concrete? It needs steel reinforcement inside it.

OK, I'm trying to be legit on this, so let me ask some qualifying questions.

Are you talking about including this in new buildings, or retrofitting?


I don't see any way you could retrofit buildings. Maybe, but that'd be crazy. New construction is what I was thinking.
 
2013-05-21 06:41:30 AM
SEVERE WEATHER STATEMENTNATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NORMAN OK535 AM CDT TUE MAY 21 2013OKC015-031-051-211115-/O.CON.KOUN.SV.W.0362.000000T0000Z-130521 T1115Z/COMANCHE OK-GRADY OK-CADDO OK-535 AM CDT TUE MAY 21 2013...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 615 AM CDTFOR EXTREME NORTHEASTERN COMANCHE...CENTRAL GRADY AND SOUTHEASTERNCADDO COUNTIES...AT 533 AM CDT...WEATHER SPOTTERS REPORTED SEVERE THUNDERSTORMSLOCATED ALONG A LINE EXTENDING FROM 4 MILES NORTHWEST OF CEMENT TO 6MILES NORTHEAST OF STERLING...MOVING NORTHEAST AT 30 MPH.HAZARDS IN THE WARNING INCLUDE...DESTRUCTIVE WINDS IN EXCESS OF 80 MPH...LARGE DAMAGING HAIL UP TO GOLF BALL SIZE...
 
2013-05-21 06:43:00 AM

ArgusRun: nukeim: Captain Swoop: Shadow Blasko: nukeim: Captain Swoop: OK City scanners reporting more nasty weather imminent.....

Eh...This one aint gonna do squat.

It's gonna make rescue work wet and miserable, not to mention limiting light.

Exactly. The Command Post is calling in most units now who could be searching for survivors instead, so 'ain't gonna do squat' might matter a bit to somebody trapped under rubble.

I bet not a single person, or unit, stops searching...Not without a warm body taking their place anyway. Folks here don't operate like that.

*shrugs*

I just meant that it's not going to tear shiat up. No reason to get pissy.

Folks nowhere operate like that.  No one area holds the monopoly on compassion.

Can't stand the farking platitudes after every disaster.  Oklahoma City isn't any more special than Boston is gritty or New York is resilient or farkng Bangladesh.  Everyone helps out and the somehow finds a way to go on with their lives.


And maybe just ignore my cynicism.  Saw upthread that your mom lost her house.  Glad she's okay, but I'm sorry for her loss.
 
2013-05-21 06:43:32 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-21 06:44:12 AM

Shadow Blasko: Radar indicated tornado on the ground, hendricks county Indiana... headed towards (I can't believe I have to type this) THE SPEEDWAY.


We may need a thread to specifically address this day of hell - TWC says to be prepared for the same.
 
2013-05-21 06:46:37 AM

Bontesla: Shadow Blasko: Radar indicated tornado on the ground, hendricks county Indiana... headed towards (I can't believe I have to type this) THE SPEEDWAY.

We may need a thread to specifically address this day of hell - TWC says to be prepared for the same.


Luckily that one died .. the whole line blew itself out, but man... This week is just not gonna end.. weather disaster wise.
 
2013-05-21 06:47:07 AM

Bendal: Medic Zero: WhyteRaven74: Medic Zero: With enough concrete

The issue is not the wind speed, but what's in the wind. Concrete is actually fairly brittle, if you were to take a chunk of structural concrete and throw it on the ground you'd get it to at least produce a few chips, and depending on the shape and just how hard you threw it, it could actually shatter. Now a thick concrete wall can handle a two by four doing 100 miles an hour, but once you get up past 180, well the concrete will survive but not without some damage. What's more it's gonna get hit by stuff not only more massive but harder than that two by four. The rigidity of concrete will handle the wind speeds, however the brittleness means that it's what the wind is blowing around that will cause it to be compromised.

Who builds out of just concrete? It needs steel reinforcement inside it.

Exactly, but building 2' thick reinforced concrete walls and a steel roof anchored to the walls themselves for each school, and make it big enough for every student and faculty to take shelter in? The cost would be astronomical. Even building a steel reinforced concrete shelter above ground for a house can cost $10,000 easy, and that would just be for 3-4 people to take shelter in. The reports I heard yesterday indicated the school was made of concrete blocks; that's probably one of the worst materials for tornado resistance; the walls aren't very strong laterally, and the winds can easily push them over even with the rebar added to the walls every 3rd course of blocks or so. One option would be to fill the voids in certain concrete block walls with cement, making it more solid and resistant to overturning, and then reinforce the roof as well such as over the hallway. The rest of the building may collapse, but hopefully the interior portion would remain intact.

Not sure that a strong EF4 or EF5 tornado can realistically have a big shelter above ground designed against them, though.


Once somehow our nation was able to afford to build how many missile silos? The money is there somewhere. Or at least it used to be until CEO's started making 400 times what workers do and not paying taxes on any of it.
 
2013-05-21 06:47:12 AM

Bontesla: Shadow Blasko: Radar indicated tornado on the ground, hendricks county Indiana... headed towards (I can't believe I have to type this) THE SPEEDWAY.

We may need a thread to specifically address this day of hell - TWC says to be prepared for the same.


Tornadic outbreaks typically occur over more than one day, in different areas of the country.
 
2013-05-21 06:50:17 AM

orbister: Medic Zero: Tanks have had spall liners since WW2

Of course. So you use bigger missiles, or better shaped charges. Saying "but spall liners" is a bit like saying "but battlements".


Sorry, I had thought that through more and wasn't going to post that, but it somehow went through when I responded to another post. Disregard.
 
2013-05-21 06:50:54 AM

evilsofa: Medic Zero: Who builds out of just concrete? It needs steel reinforcement inside it.

Oh, you want to build homes in Oklahoma with ICF walls instead of 2x6 frame?  Just increase the costs of your exterior walls by 2 or 3 times.  Say your original exterior wall cost was $6,000, now it's $20,000.

No problem.  So simple!  Right, guys?


I never said it was simple or cheap.
 
2013-05-21 06:53:47 AM

Shadow Blasko: Holy
farking
shiat

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/oklahoma-gop-sen-tom-cobu r n-will-seek-to?ref=fpb


how about we offset it by cutting his pay,retirement and any benefits he might be receiving?
bastard was probably the leaker in the AP scandal too.
 
2013-05-21 06:56:07 AM

esteban9: Bontesla: Shadow Blasko: Radar indicated tornado on the ground, hendricks county Indiana... headed towards (I can't believe I have to type this) THE SPEEDWAY.

We may need a thread to specifically address this day of hell - TWC says to be prepared for the same.

Tornadic outbreaks typically occur over more than one day, in different areas of the country.


This is the sequel to yesterday's activity. May be useful for Farkers in the path to check in.
 
2013-05-21 06:56:28 AM

SomeOkieGirl: Thinking of you. I'm so sad she lost her home but glad she is okay.


HEY! You were mentioned yesterday. Some folks wondering if you were in the clear. (don't be such a stranger!) Good to see you! Going to be another long day today. You guys from DFW north keep your head on a swivel.

And while y'all are at it, keep the responders in your thoughts.
 
2013-05-21 06:56:57 AM

Zotfripper: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/05/20/185622054/video-a-time - lapse-of-the-oklahoma-tornado?ft=1&f=1001

See if this link works. Crazy stuff.


Well he's intellectually consistent, I'll give him that.  Morally bankrupt, but consistent.
 
2013-05-21 06:58:18 AM

Captain Swoop: nukeim: Captain Swoop: Shadow Blasko: nukeim: Captain Swoop: OK City scanners reporting more nasty weather imminent.....

Eh...This one aint gonna do squat.

It's gonna make rescue work wet and miserable, not to mention limiting light.

Exactly. The Command Post is calling in most units now who could be searching for survivors instead, so 'ain't gonna do squat' might matter a bit to somebody trapped under rubble.

I bet not a single person, or unit, stops searching...Not without a warm body taking their place anyway. Folks here don't operate like that.

*shrugs*

I just meant that it's not going to tear shiat up. No reason to get pissy.

Actually, they are... listening to scanner now. When bad weather hits, the command post calls in most units back to shelter pioints so that the searchers don't become storm victims themselves due to lightning, wind thrown debris (there is a lot of that now that wasn't there before the Tornado, so it doesn't have to 'tear shiat up' - it is already torn up and easily moved around now to hurt people). They will be back out the minute the front passes thru, but it still stops the action for a bit.

/Skywarn tornado spotter 81-89
//USAF Mishap response and Ground Search & Rescue 91-94
//not pissy, just trying to inform the uninformed


I'm not uninformed. I know at least a dozen guys working this right now, and not one of them is likely to stop due to a thunderstorm. I know several Moore firemen, a couple of cops, and 5 or 6 NG guys that are on-scene.I know these guys. I grew up in those neighborhoods. Two of my childhood homes were destroyed yesterday.

I've also done disaster recovery. More of it than what you're talking smack about with your slashies. Go inform somebody else.

/people splittin' hairs and being douchewaffles over it in disaster threads on Fark since 2001
 
2013-05-21 06:58:20 AM

Medic Zero: Once somehow our nation was able to afford to build how many missile silos? The money is there somewhere. Or at least it used to be until CEO's started making 400 times what workers do and not paying taxes on any of it.


yeah a good chunk of all of our corporations are tax exempt because they greased enough palms
 
2013-05-21 07:01:56 AM

nukeim: /people splittin' hairs and being douchewaffles over it in disaster threads on Fark since 2001


It's tradition.

glad you're ok BTW.
 
2013-05-21 07:02:37 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: SomeOkieGirl: Thinking of you. I'm so sad she lost her home but glad she is okay.

HEY! You were mentioned yesterday. Some folks wondering if you were in the clear. (don't be such a stranger!) Good to see you! Going to be another long day today. You guys from DFW north keep your head on a swivel.

And while y'all are at it, keep the responders in your thoughts.


I didn't see any mention of my name but I don't have TF anymore. I did check in on the original thread and was checking on basemetal and a few others. Everyone is okay around here. So sad for my friends and family that were no so lucky.

Good to see you as well! You guys are missed.
 
2013-05-21 07:03:59 AM
Has there been any word on whether or not they were able to contain the oil spill? I haven't found any reference to it in the news. The oil was leaking out into a creek.
 
2013-05-21 07:07:10 AM

nukeim: Captain Swoop: nukeim: Captain Swoop: Shadow Blasko: nukeim: Captain Swoop: OK City scanners reporting more nasty weather imminent.....

Eh...This one aint gonna do squat.

It's gonna make rescue work wet and miserable, not to mention limiting light.

Exactly. The Command Post is calling in most units now who could be searching for survivors instead, so 'ain't gonna do squat' might matter a bit to somebody trapped under rubble.

I bet not a single person, or unit, stops searching...Not without a warm body taking their place anyway. Folks here don't operate like that.

*shrugs*

I just meant that it's not going to tear shiat up. No reason to get pissy.

Actually, they are... listening to scanner now. When bad weather hits, the command post calls in most units back to shelter pioints so that the searchers don't become storm victims themselves due to lightning, wind thrown debris (there is a lot of that now that wasn't there before the Tornado, so it doesn't have to 'tear shiat up' - it is already torn up and easily moved around now to hurt people). They will be back out the minute the front passes thru, but it still stops the action for a bit.

/Skywarn tornado spotter 81-89
//USAF Mishap response and Ground Search & Rescue 91-94
//not pissy, just trying to inform the uninformed

I'm not uninformed. I know at least a dozen guys working this right now, and not one of them is likely to stop due to a thunderstorm. I know several Moore firemen, a couple of cops, and 5 or 6 NG guys that are on-scene.I know these guys. I grew up in those neighborhoods. Two of my childhood homes were destroyed yesterday.

I've also done disaster recovery. More of it than what you're talking smack about with your slashies. Go inform somebody else.

/people splittin' hairs and being douchewaffles over it in disaster threads on Fark since 2001


Glad you and your family is okay. Thinking about y'all.
 
2013-05-21 07:09:53 AM
Good God!  I always hated tornados.  A Hurricane you know what to expect, but a tornado?  Never. Random, hop scotching destruction.
 
2013-05-21 07:10:03 AM

ds_4815: tinfoil-hat maggie: Shadow Blasko: AlanSmithee: Fun fact: tornadoes in Australia spin in the opposite direction.

Fun fact, anti-cyclonic tornadoes happen in North America as well.

Really? I had no idea. Wow...

Rare, but yep, they happen. Coriolis force tends to give hurricanes the spin directions you'd normally associate with the hemisphere "rule", but tornadoes occur on too small a scale to be affected much by it. Wind shear's the main factor there.


God damn unpatriotic tornadoes!!!  In America we spin the correct way, the Murica way!!
 
2013-05-21 07:11:12 AM
I feel bad for those kids.
 
2013-05-21 07:12:48 AM
A family of four died hiding in a freezer? Dont take your tornado safety advice from indiana jones movies.
 
2013-05-21 07:12:59 AM
The hospital is completely trashed. That's got to be rough.
 
2013-05-21 07:25:59 AM

muck4doo: The hospital is completely trashed. That's got to be rough.


Was the hospital evacuated? It looks utterly destroyed but none of the dead seem to have originated there.
 
2013-05-21 07:27:32 AM

Bontesla: muck4doo: The hospital is completely trashed. That's got to be rough.

Was the hospital evacuated? It looks utterly destroyed but none of the dead seem to have originated there.


Yes, it got evacuated.
 
2013-05-21 07:31:01 AM
fark it Dude, let's go bowling
i2.cdn.turner.com
hot
 
2013-05-21 07:31:07 AM

AlanSmithee: Bontesla: muck4doo: The hospital is completely trashed. That's got to be rough.

Was the hospital evacuated? It looks utterly destroyed but none of the dead seem to have originated there.

Yes, it got evacuated.


Good. I was hoping that was the case. It was unclear yesterday. I was listening to police dispatch trying to contact an unresponsive hospital. It was emotional.
 
2013-05-21 07:33:45 AM

SlothB77: A family of four died hiding in a freezer? Dont take your tornado safety advice from indiana jones movies.


LULz
 
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