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(Talking Points Memo)   OK Sen. Tom Coburn (R-heartless): No disaster aid for my constituents until budget cuts are made to compensate   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 289
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2013-05-20 11:49:27 PM  
Yet he had no problems trying to strip nearly all disaster aid from the East Coast last year.  Pathetic douchebag.


/submitted to News tab, just for the extra exposure potential
//one of the few times that's called for, imo
 
2013-05-21 12:02:17 AM  
This needs to be promoted.  Along with video of some of his statements.
 
2013-05-21 12:08:57 AM  
 
2013-05-21 12:11:43 AM  
This is the mindset of today's GOP.  Millions of dollars towards useless gestures like voting to repeal Obamacare, billions of dollars fo outdated and unused military programs, but for AMERICANS that really need help?  Fark them.

And this guy is even FROM Oklahoma?  What a farking piece of shiat.
 
2013-05-21 03:46:37 AM  
The GOP is a terrorist organisation. Support for them is treason.
 
2013-05-21 04:54:23 AM  
At least it's his own farking state.  'Course, he's retiring and therefore gives zero farks.
 
2013-05-21 07:07:12 AM  
The world of hyperpartisanship begets nonsense. Rank and file will support his statement.
 
2013-05-21 07:16:22 AM  
Somehow, I don't think the people who voted for him are going to like this. Of course, he's retiring, and I bet with a lot more money than when he joined congress.
 
2013-05-21 07:16:44 AM  
At least he's consistent, in a fiscally sound sociopathic way.
 
2013-05-21 07:17:55 AM  
Offset it by confiscating his salary, and the salary of all his staffers as well as the income provided to the other OK senator, their staffers and continue on with the remove of the funds from all the house of representative person-ell and staff.

Then confiscate all their highway funds, we do not want any of them dumb farks escaping the state anyway.
 
2013-05-21 07:18:23 AM  
Sometimes, moral consistency is worse than hypocrisy.
 
2013-05-21 07:18:38 AM  

DeaH: Somehow, I don't think the people who voted for him are going to like this. Of course, he's retiring, and I bet with a lot more money than when he joined congress.


His income will probably quadruple in 2016 when the lobbying contracts start kicking in.
 
2013-05-21 07:22:58 AM  
Yeah, yeah, any excuse at all for layoffs.  Jobs, jobs, jobs, gotta get rid of them.
 
2013-05-21 07:26:00 AM  
He mentions the wars that weren't paid for...I wonder if he voted for those?
 
2013-05-21 07:26:38 AM  
Well, they voted for him...
 
2013-05-21 07:27:09 AM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: At least he's consistent, in a fiscally sound sociopathic way.


FTFY
 
2013-05-21 07:28:35 AM  
People can complain about the federal government spending all they want, but this is one of the reasons why the federal government is needed.  The federal budget does not work like a household budget, and even if it did a massive emergency like this would typically see a household putting something on a credit card.

OKC and Moore need help right now.  Give it to them.
 
2013-05-21 07:29:08 AM  
The Chinese word for Tornado means both danger *and* opportunity to make cuts to the budget.

*blink*
 
2013-05-21 07:30:06 AM  
Then he will claim: 'See you dumb libs, I DO care about the budget issues and economy of my state!'

Elections have consequences? No, electing republicans have consequences, usually for the ones who elected them.
 
2013-05-21 07:30:21 AM  
soberbizzy.files.wordpress.com Republicans are assholes. News at 11.
 
2013-05-21 07:33:44 AM  
Hooray for Cantor version 2.0. How do these utter wastes of space keep getting elected?
 
2013-05-21 07:34:10 AM  

AdolfOliverPanties: This is the mindset of today's GOP.  Millions of dollars towards useless gestures like voting to repeal Obamacare, billions of dollars fo outdated and unused military programs, but for AMERICANS that really need help?  Fark them.

And this guy is even FROM Oklahoma?  What a farking piece of shiat.


I'm not sure you caught what he is saying.  His constituents can have aid, but some other part of the budget has to be cut to make up for it.  Let someone ELSE suffer!
 
2013-05-21 07:34:47 AM  
This is what they voted for.

Frankly I don't see why they should even be provided rescuers until we get to the bottom of this Benghazi thing.
 
2013-05-21 07:36:31 AM  
wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net

"Shanna, they bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into. I say, let 'em crash."

/f'ing career politician against government
//ass cancer, please get it
 
2013-05-21 07:36:31 AM  
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2013-05-21 07:37:09 AM  
Today's GOP is the greatest threat our country has ever faced.
 
2013-05-21 07:37:27 AM  
Oh, and not only has Coburn been a complete douchewank about holding up random spending bills for the last two decades, he's also been closely affiliated with The Family.  So he's just trying to make Oklahoma as much of a shiathole as Uganda.
 
2013-05-21 07:39:23 AM  
To be fair, Obama is just using this opportunity to come in and re-build abortion centers and gay marriage enclaves dirt, before "helping" real Oklahomans.
 
2013-05-21 07:41:00 AM  

Tigger: The GOP is a terrorist organisation. Support for them is treason.


/eyeroll

Always such a fine-tuned sense of perspective.
 
2013-05-21 07:43:40 AM  
The more and more this shiat goes on the more it becomes clear to me that the GOP are the largest group of domestic terrorists the U.S. has ever faced.
 
2013-05-21 07:43:54 AM  
The saddest part is that Oklahoma will still vote Republican despite this.
 
2013-05-21 07:44:11 AM  
Time to stop campaigning and start governing. If you keep trying to score points and if something is good for the other guy it must be bad for you then shouldn't be in office.  Holding political office isn't a zero sum event it is about make the lives of Americans better.
 
2013-05-21 07:44:19 AM  
fark the survivors! Yay Dogma! Dogma trumps everything.
 
2013-05-21 07:44:57 AM  
I'm actually shocked at the lack of hypocrisy, though I I'm sure it helps he is retiring. At last a Republican is attending up for his principles and farking everyone equally.
 
2013-05-21 07:45:08 AM  
It's amazing how many of the respondents didn't RTFA and only this flametatic headline.

FTFA "Oklahoma Republican Sen. Tom Coburn will seek to offset federal aid to victims of amassive tornado that blasted through Oklahoma City suburbs on Monday with cuts elsewhere in the budget. "

Bookkeeping is now heartless? I guess some of you would say that the only way to have a heart is blind spending without at least trying to manage the accounts being spent?
 
2013-05-21 07:47:51 AM  

GoldSpider: Tigger: The GOP is a terrorist organisation. Support for them is treason.

/eyeroll

Always such a fine-tuned sense of perspective.


I'm sensing unwarranted sarcasm.
 
2013-05-21 07:49:01 AM  
People too stupid to not have life insurance and tornado insurance shouldn't be bailed out by the government
 
2013-05-21 07:50:06 AM  

Relatively Obscure: At least it's his own farking state.  'Course, he's retiring and therefore gives zero farks.


If I were him I'd move somewhere out of OK.
 
2013-05-21 07:50:34 AM  

Spaz-master: Bookkeeping is now heartless? I guess some of you would say that the only way to have a heart is blind spending without at least trying to manage the accounts being spent?


In the grand scheme of things, disaster aid isn't going to impact the budget at all, and would provide the immediate assistance these people need.  It's a silly thing for him to dig his heels in on.

That said, this business of equating different spending priorities with "terrorism" shows how far away we are from being able to debate anything rationally.
 
2013-05-21 07:50:41 AM  

AdolfOliverPanties: This is the mindset of today's GOP.  Millions of dollars towards useless gestures like voting to repeal Obamacare, billions of dollars fo outdated and unused military programs, but for AMERICANS that really need help?  Fark them.

And this guy is even FROM Oklahoma?  What a farking piece of shiat.


yeah but he's not running for re-election
 
2013-05-21 07:52:02 AM  
It'd be nice to see some consequences for his action......like perhaps his constituents burning his home to the farking ground.

Heavy-handed, sure, but it just seems like other messages aren't really getting through.
 
2013-05-21 07:52:19 AM  

GoldSpider: Tigger: The GOP is a terrorist organisation. Support for them is treason.

/eyeroll

Always such a fine-tuned sense of perspective.


I wouldn't go so far as to say support for them is treason.  I would go so far as to say you might as well eat a bullet if you're going to support them.
 
2013-05-21 07:52:28 AM  

Despair of the Cheese: Hooray for Cantor version 2.0. How do these utter wastes of space keep getting elected?


low (valid) information voters
 
2013-05-21 07:53:16 AM  

Skarekrough: It'd be nice to see some consequences for his action......like perhaps his constituents burning his home to the farking ground.

Heavy-handed, sure, but it just seems like other messages aren't really getting through.


meh, one of his CEO buddies would just build him a bigger one.
 
2013-05-21 07:53:32 AM  
The GOP will ask for budget offsets that target liberal programs, the Democrats will object and the GOP will blame them for holding up the relief funds.   The media will cover it with their simplistic "both sides are bad" treatment and the country will continue its decline.  It worked for the debt ceiling and too many people were too dumb to see through it.  It will probably work here as well.

/sigh
 
2013-05-21 07:53:41 AM  

Spaz-master: It's amazing how many of the respondents didn't RTFA and only this flametatic headline.

FTFA "Oklahoma Republican Sen. Tom Coburn will seek to offset federal aid to victims of amassive tornado that blasted through Oklahoma City suburbs on Monday with cuts elsewhere in the budget. "

Bookkeeping is now heartless? I guess some of you would say that the only way to have a heart is blind spending without at least trying to manage the accounts being spent?


www.cyclonefanatic.com
 
2013-05-21 07:53:56 AM  
Well, at least he's consistent.
 
2013-05-21 07:53:58 AM  

Spaz-master: Bookkeeping is now heartless?


Kind of, yeah.

Let's see what he wants to cut. I'm guessing it will be something that aids the poor, or otherwise disadvantaged.

He could also ask for a new tax and have his wealthy benefactors pony up some cash, but he won't.
 
2013-05-21 07:54:58 AM  
I think I actually appreciate this more than Ted Cruz saying disaster relief is pork, then turning around and asking for it after the Waco explosion. This Oklahoma guy might be an asshole, but at least he's consistent.

Consistently evil and ignorant, but consistent nonetheless.
 
2013-05-21 07:55:27 AM  

GoldSpider: Spaz-master: Bookkeeping is now heartless? I guess some of you would say that the only way to have a heart is blind spending without at least trying to manage the accounts being spent?

In the grand scheme of things, disaster aid isn't going to impact the budget at all, and would provide the immediate assistance these people need.  It's a silly thing for him to dig his heels in on.

That said, this business of equating different spending priorities with "terrorism" shows how far away we are from being able to debate anything rationally.


Yep. But the smartest people in the intertubes say terrorism
Average Farker
 
2013-05-21 07:56:17 AM  

Spaz-master: It's amazing how many of the respondents didn't RTFA and only this flametatic headline.

FTFA "Oklahoma Republican Sen. Tom Coburn will seek to offset federal aid to victims of amassive tornado that blasted through Oklahoma City suburbs on Monday with cuts elsewhere in the budget. "

Bookkeeping is now heartless? I guess some of you would say that the only way to have a heart is blind spending without at least trying to manage the accounts being spent?


It's about priorities.  Right now, there are potentially still people trapped in rubble waiting to be rescued.  He's concerned about a political agenda.  It's like having a fire chief ask about your personal finances to pay for their visit while they're putting out your fire.  We all know it needs to be paid for, but perhaps his head should be in the game.
 
2013-05-21 07:56:29 AM  
 
2013-05-21 07:56:31 AM  
There's a lot of defense spending in his state.  Let's get rid of that first.
 
2013-05-21 07:57:54 AM  

Dracolich: Spaz-master: It's amazing how many of the respondents didn't RTFA and only this flametatic headline.

FTFA "Oklahoma Republican Sen. Tom Coburn will seek to offset federal aid to victims of amassive tornado that blasted through Oklahoma City suburbs on Monday with cuts elsewhere in the budget. "

Bookkeeping is now heartless? I guess some of you would say that the only way to have a heart is blind spending without at least trying to manage the accounts being spent?

It's about priorities.  Right now, there are potentially still people trapped in rubble waiting to be rescued.  He's concerned about a political agenda.  It's like having a fire chief ask about your personal finances to pay for their visit while they're putting out your fire.  We all know it needs to be paid for, but perhaps his head should be in the game.


Perhaps, but he made this statement in response to the question about it... So wouldn't the member of the press be the Supreme Ultra Douche in this case, not the person who responded honestly?
 
2013-05-21 07:58:32 AM  
Can any of the few occasionally rational Republicans on this site please give me one reason to vote Republican?
 
2013-05-21 07:59:55 AM  

Dracolich: Spaz-master: It's amazing how many of the respondents didn't RTFA and only this flametatic headline.

FTFA "Oklahoma Republican Sen. Tom Coburn will seek to offset federal aid to victims of amassive tornado that blasted through Oklahoma City suburbs on Monday with cuts elsewhere in the budget. "

Bookkeeping is now heartless? I guess some of you would say that the only way to have a heart is blind spending without at least trying to manage the accounts being spent?

It's about priorities.  Right now, there are potentially still people trapped in rubble waiting to be rescued.  He's concerned about a political agenda.  It's like having a fire chief ask about your personal finances to pay for their visit while they're putting out your fire.  We all know it needs to be paid for, but perhaps his head should be in the game.


Again, FTFA:
"That's always been his position [to offset disaster aid]," a spokesman told theHuffington Post Monday night. "He supported offsets to the bill funding the OKC bombing recovery effort."
Mountain out of Molehill

insert outrage meme here....
///obligatory
 
2013-05-21 07:59:56 AM  
Fine.  I'm sure we can find budget cuts of Federal spending in Oklahoma to compensate.
 
2013-05-21 08:01:05 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Fine.  I'm sure we can find budget cuts of Federal spending in Oklahoma to compensate.


yeah! Fark those poor and needy in OK! That'll show Coburn!

This is why you people aren't nearly as wise or compassionate as you like to tell each other you are.
 
2013-05-21 08:02:16 AM  

Dracolich: Spaz-master: It's amazing how many of the respondents didn't RTFA and only this flametatic headline.

FTFA "Oklahoma Republican Sen. Tom Coburn will seek to offset federal aid to victims of amassive tornado that blasted through Oklahoma City suburbs on Monday with cuts elsewhere in the budget. "

Bookkeeping is now heartless? I guess some of you would say that the only way to have a heart is blind spending without at least trying to manage the accounts being spent?

It's about priorities.  Right now, there are potentially still people trapped in rubble waiting to be rescued.  He's concerned about a political agenda.  It's like having a fire chief ask about your personal finances to pay for their visit while they're putting out your fire.  We all know it needs to be paid for, but perhaps his head should be in the game.


Exactly... All the bodies haven't even been recovered yet, and this shameless asshole is already using the disaster to push his political bullshiat. It's pathetic, but it's what I've come to expect from Republicans lately.
 
2013-05-21 08:02:55 AM  

skullkrusher: Satanic_Hamster: Fine.  I'm sure we can find budget cuts of Federal spending in Oklahoma to compensate.

yeah! Fark those poor and needy in OK! That'll show Coburn!

This is why you people aren't nearly as wise or compassionate as you like to tell each other you are.


a.tgcdn.net
 
2013-05-21 08:03:26 AM  

skullkrusher: Satanic_Hamster: Fine.  I'm sure we can find budget cuts of Federal spending in Oklahoma to compensate.

yeah! Fark those poor and needy in OK! That'll show Coburn!

This is why you people aren't nearly as wise or compassionate as you like to tell each other you are.


"They that sow the wind, shall reap the whirlwind"
 
2013-05-21 08:03:35 AM  

Spaz-master: Dracolich: Spaz-master: It's amazing how many of the respondents didn't RTFA and only this flametatic headline.

FTFA "Oklahoma Republican Sen. Tom Coburn will seek to offset federal aid to victims of amassive tornado that blasted through Oklahoma City suburbs on Monday with cuts elsewhere in the budget. "

Bookkeeping is now heartless? I guess some of you would say that the only way to have a heart is blind spending without at least trying to manage the accounts being spent?

It's about priorities.  Right now, there are potentially still people trapped in rubble waiting to be rescued.  He's concerned about a political agenda.  It's like having a fire chief ask about your personal finances to pay for their visit while they're putting out your fire.  We all know it needs to be paid for, but perhaps his head should be in the game.

Perhaps, but he made this statement in response to the question about it... So wouldn't the member of the press be the Supreme Ultra Douche in this case, not the person who responded honestly?


Yeah man, the press is totally at fault for Coburn's policies.
 
2013-05-21 08:03:35 AM  

Spaz-master: Average Farker


....and? is there anything wrong with that?
 
2013-05-21 08:04:24 AM  
What an ass. He knows the Federal government is the only way these people are going to get help and he's holding it back from them.
 
2013-05-21 08:05:03 AM  
Something something something government you deserve.
 
2013-05-21 08:05:19 AM  

Giant Clown Shoe: [wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net image 594x425]

"Shanna, they bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into. I say, let 'em crash."

/f'ing career politician against government
//ass cancer, please get it


Technically he's also a gynecologist who seems to know nothing about women.
 
2013-05-21 08:05:34 AM  
Can't wait to read what all the RWNJ sites that said New York and New Jersey shouldn't get any federal aid have to say about this.  I bet they'll criticize the government for not helping people in Oklahoma fast enough.
 
2013-05-21 08:06:07 AM  
He had to choose between being heartless and being hypocritical.
 
2013-05-21 08:06:15 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Spaz-master: Dracolich: Spaz-master: It's amazing how many of the respondents didn't RTFA and only this flametatic headline.

FTFA "Oklahoma Republican Sen. Tom Coburn will seek to offset federal aid to victims of amassive tornado that blasted through Oklahoma City suburbs on Monday with cuts elsewhere in the budget. "

Bookkeeping is now heartless? I guess some of you would say that the only way to have a heart is blind spending without at least trying to manage the accounts being spent?

It's about priorities.  Right now, there are potentially still people trapped in rubble waiting to be rescued.  He's concerned about a political agenda.  It's like having a fire chief ask about your personal finances to pay for their visit while they're putting out your fire.  We all know it needs to be paid for, but perhaps his head should be in the game.

Perhaps, but he made this statement in response to the question about it... So wouldn't the member of the press be the Supreme Ultra Douche in this case, not the person who responded honestly?

Yeah man, the press is totally at fault for Coburn's policies.


So responding with a "Yes, we will offset this spending as before" is the heartless aspect, not the press member who inflamed something so obvious.  Do you also get angered when people point out that water is wet and that the sky is blue?  How heartless of them.
 
2013-05-21 08:06:49 AM  

Hobodeluxe: skullkrusher: Satanic_Hamster: Fine.  I'm sure we can find budget cuts of Federal spending in Oklahoma to compensate.

yeah! Fark those poor and needy in OK! That'll show Coburn!

This is why you people aren't nearly as wise or compassionate as you like to tell each other you are.

"They that sow the wind, shall reap the whirlwind"


care to elaborate on that or are you pretty sure you've already said enough?
 
2013-05-21 08:07:00 AM  

skullkrusher: Satanic_Hamster: Fine.  I'm sure we can find budget cuts of Federal spending in Oklahoma to compensate.

yeah! Fark those poor and needy in OK! That'll show Coburn!

This is why you people aren't nearly as wise or compassionate as you like to tell each other you are.


The alternative is federal spending gets cut elsewhere, negatively impacting poor and needy there.

Coburn's state actually feeling the effects of his decision making seems a perfectly cromulent compromise.
 
2013-05-21 08:07:11 AM  

Almost Everybody Poops: Spaz-master: Average Farker

....and? is there anything wrong with that?


It does make for more interesting days at work.
 
2013-05-21 08:07:39 AM  
He's pulling a "Ron Paul". He knows the bill to authorize disaster funding will pass, he wangs it to pass and will almost certainly make sure it includes some goodies for his district but will vote against it so he can claim to have fought against spending.
 
2013-05-21 08:08:05 AM  

Spaz-master: Perhaps, but he made this statement in response to the question about it... So wouldn't the member of the press be the Supreme Ultra Douche in this case, not the person who responded honestly?


He could have stuck to his principles without coming across as a colossally-heartless douche by answering something along the lines of "There will be plenty of time to debate the budgetary implications of disaster aid after everyone is safe."
 
2013-05-21 08:09:06 AM  

Spaz-master: HotWingConspiracy: Spaz-master: Dracolich: Spaz-master: It's amazing how many of the respondents didn't RTFA and only this flametatic headline.

FTFA "Oklahoma Republican Sen. Tom Coburn will seek to offset federal aid to victims of amassive tornado that blasted through Oklahoma City suburbs on Monday with cuts elsewhere in the budget. "

Bookkeeping is now heartless? I guess some of you would say that the only way to have a heart is blind spending without at least trying to manage the accounts being spent?

It's about priorities.  Right now, there are potentially still people trapped in rubble waiting to be rescued.  He's concerned about a political agenda.  It's like having a fire chief ask about your personal finances to pay for their visit while they're putting out your fire.  We all know it needs to be paid for, but perhaps his head should be in the game.

Perhaps, but he made this statement in response to the question about it... So wouldn't the member of the press be the Supreme Ultra Douche in this case, not the person who responded honestly?

Yeah man, the press is totally at fault for Coburn's policies.

So responding with a "Yes, we will offset this spending as before" is the heartless aspect, not the press member who inflamed something so obvious.  Do you also get angered when people point out that water is wet and that the sky is blue?  How heartless of them.


maybe they saw how fun scandalizin' was and want to find one of their very own.
Coburn spokesman asked a question about disaster aid. Spokesman says that Coburn's position is that disaster aid should be offset by cuts elsewhere. ZOMG WHY DOES HE WANT TO LEAVE CHILDREN BURIED IN THE RUBBBBBBBLES?!
 
2013-05-21 08:10:27 AM  
A rational, caring person would have answered the question, "We'll worry about that after we get these people the help and resources they need..."
 
2013-05-21 08:10:44 AM  
skullkrusher:

maybe they saw how fun scandalizin' was and want to find one of their very own.
Coburn spokesman asked a question about disaster aid. Spokesman says that Coburn's position is that disaster aid should be offset by cuts elsewhere. ZOMG WHY DOES HE WANT TO LEAVE CHILDREN BURIED IN THE RUBBBBBBBLES?!


THIS
 
2013-05-21 08:10:50 AM  

Spaz-master: HotWingConspiracy: Spaz-master: Dracolich: Spaz-master: It's amazing how many of the respondents didn't RTFA and only this flametatic headline.

FTFA "Oklahoma Republican Sen. Tom Coburn will seek to offset federal aid to victims of amassive tornado that blasted through Oklahoma City suburbs on Monday with cuts elsewhere in the budget. "

Bookkeeping is now heartless? I guess some of you would say that the only way to have a heart is blind spending without at least trying to manage the accounts being spent?

It's about priorities.  Right now, there are potentially still people trapped in rubble waiting to be rescued.  He's concerned about a political agenda.  It's like having a fire chief ask about your personal finances to pay for their visit while they're putting out your fire.  We all know it needs to be paid for, but perhaps his head should be in the game.

Perhaps, but he made this statement in response to the question about it... So wouldn't the member of the press be the Supreme Ultra Douche in this case, not the person who responded honestly?

Yeah man, the press is totally at fault for Coburn's policies.

So responding with a "Yes, we will offset this spending as before" is the heartless aspect,


Yes. Well, that and the policy itself.

not the press member who inflamed something so obvious.

Inflamed? Do you understand what the press does? They ask people questions. They aren't responsible for the answers.

Do you also get angered when people point out that water is wet and that the sky is blue?  How heartless of them.


This probably sounded pretty clever in your head.
 
2013-05-21 08:11:00 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: The alternative is federal spending gets cut elsewhere, negatively impacting poor and needy there.


So it IS true that all our federal spending is on the poor?  shiat, that's a problem

HotWingConspiracy: Coburn's state actually feeling the effects of his decision making seems a perfectly cromulent compromise.


yeah, about half of whom voted for the other guy. Sins of the neighbor is good enough cuz boy would that burn Coburn!
 
2013-05-21 08:12:12 AM  

skullkrusher: Hobodeluxe: skullkrusher: Satanic_Hamster: Fine.  I'm sure we can find budget cuts of Federal spending in Oklahoma to compensate.

yeah! Fark those poor and needy in OK! That'll show Coburn!

This is why you people aren't nearly as wise or compassionate as you like to tell each other you are.

"They that sow the wind, shall reap the whirlwind"

care to elaborate on that or are you pretty sure you've already said enough?


No I think that works really well on a couple of levels.

see it paraphrases the old adage "you get the govt you deserve" on one level
and on the other it ties it into the current situation these people are in.

do you not think that voting against your own interests should ever have a cost?
not very bootstrappy of you.

and yes my heart goes out to those people. and yes I'm being sarcastic. but I revel in pointing out people's hypocrisy.
especially when it bites them in the ass so hard.
 
2013-05-21 08:12:17 AM  
What the folks in Oklahoma need are more tax cuts.  That'll get this whole thing sorted out.
 
2013-05-21 08:12:25 AM  

Spaz-master: skullkrusher:

maybe they saw how fun scandalizin' was and want to find one of their very own.
Coburn spokesman asked a question about disaster aid. Spokesman says that Coburn's position is that disaster aid should be offset by cuts elsewhere. ZOMG WHY DOES HE WANT TO LEAVE CHILDREN BURIED IN THE RUBBBBBBBLES?!

THIS


Coburn is a shiatbag but my my my the Fark left is particularly frothy these days
 
2013-05-21 08:13:12 AM  

skullkrusher: Satanic_Hamster: Fine.  I'm sure we can find budget cuts of Federal spending in Oklahoma to compensate.

yeah! Fark those poor and needy in OK! That'll show Coburn!

This is why you people aren't nearly as wise or compassionate as you like to tell each other you are.


Wait.  So you're saying that Senator Coburn, the Tea Party, and Republicans in general aren't compassionate or wise?  Because this is the sort of idea that they've been embracing and voting for in near lockstep the past few years.  You recall the rage from Rep. King over all the other Republicans blocking aid to NY?

Oklahoma elected Coburn.  They obviously approve of his ideas.  Why should people of other states have to pay with money and jobs to make up for what happens in Oklahoma?  The entire state didn't get destroyed, surely we can find federal cuts else where in the state to pay for the disaster recovery in the small portion that did.
 
2013-05-21 08:13:35 AM  
HotWingConspiracy:

Do you also get angered when people point out that water is wet and that the sky is blue?  How heartless of them.

This probably sounded pretty clever in your head.


And I am sure you do in your head as well
 
2013-05-21 08:13:45 AM  

tbhouston: People too stupid to not have life insurance and tornado insurance shouldn't be bailed out by the government


I wonder how different the U.S. would look if it were federally mandated that every home and business have flood/fire/earthquake/tornado/hurricane/whatever insurance, with rates based on actual risk and replacement costs.

Quick, someone whip up a SimCity mod!
 
2013-05-21 08:14:00 AM  
Give him some credit, most Republicans are against aid for everyone else but want money bags for their own state.

He is a nut, but an honest one.
 
2013-05-21 08:14:03 AM  

Hobodeluxe: skullkrusher: Hobodeluxe: skullkrusher: Satanic_Hamster: Fine.  I'm sure we can find budget cuts of Federal spending in Oklahoma to compensate.

yeah! Fark those poor and needy in OK! That'll show Coburn!

This is why you people aren't nearly as wise or compassionate as you like to tell each other you are.

"They that sow the wind, shall reap the whirlwind"

care to elaborate on that or are you pretty sure you've already said enough?

No I think that works really well on a couple of levels.

see it paraphrases the old adage "you get the govt you deserve" on one level
and on the other it ties it into the current situation these people are in.

do you not think that voting against your own interests should ever have a cost?
not very bootstrappy of you.

and yes my heart goes out to those people. and yes I'm being sarcastic. but I revel in pointing out people's hypocrisy.
especially when it bites them in the ass so hard.


47% of voters voted for someone else in the last Senate election in OK. Here's where the you're not as wise as you like to tell each other you are bit comes in
 
2013-05-21 08:14:49 AM  

Electrify: The saddest part is that Oklahoma will still vote Republican despite this.


I'm really torn on this issue. On one hand I have very real compassion for the people who's lived have been shattered by yesterdays storm. On the other, I'd like to see the people of Oklahoma get precisely the level of government that they've been demanding.

Pro Tip, Oklahoma: A federal government that you can drown in a bathtub can't help you rebuild your home and business when they're taken to Oz.
 
2013-05-21 08:14:56 AM  
Blood for the blood god.

/who is apparently Jesus
 
2013-05-21 08:15:07 AM  

skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: The alternative is federal spending gets cut elsewhere, negatively impacting poor and needy there.

So it IS true that all our federal spending is on the poor?  shiat, that's a problem


No, I was just going with your line. I don't know why you believe that.

HotWingConspiracy: Coburn's state actually feeling the effects of his decision making seems a perfectly cromulent compromise.

yeah, about half of whom voted for the other guy. Sins of the neighbor is good enough cuz boy would that burn Coburn!


Yeah I hate democracy too. And no, it wouldn't burn Coburn, he's the one that wants it.
 
2013-05-21 08:15:11 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: So you're saying that Senator Coburn, the Tea Party, and Republicans in general aren't compassionate or wise?


sure. Wow, that assumption sure backfired on ya, huh?
 
2013-05-21 08:15:20 AM  

Electriclectic: I think I actually appreciate this more than Ted Cruz saying disaster relief is pork, then turning around and asking for it after the Waco explosion. This Oklahoma guy might be an asshole, but at least he's consistent.

Consistently evil and ignorant, but consistent nonetheless.


Agreed, I have more respect for this man than Ted Cruz, even if I disagree with him.  Ted Cruz is essentially a Tea Party puppet.
 
2013-05-21 08:15:51 AM  

skullkrusher: Spaz-master: skullkrusher:

maybe they saw how fun scandalizin' was and want to find one of their very own.
Coburn spokesman asked a question about disaster aid. Spokesman says that Coburn's position is that disaster aid should be offset by cuts elsewhere. ZOMG WHY DOES HE WANT TO LEAVE CHILDREN BURIED IN THE RUBBBBBBBLES?!

THIS

Coburn is a shiatbag but my my my the Fark left is particularly frothy these days


Exactly.
They are wasting some unresolved anger on something like this.  Perhaps the scandal rumours have caused more butthurt than previously known.
 
2013-05-21 08:15:56 AM  

Spaz-master: HotWingConspiracy:

Do you also get angered when people point out that water is wet and that the sky is blue?  How heartless of them.

This probably sounded pretty clever in your head.

And I am sure you do in your head as well


Sick burn bro
 
2013-05-21 08:16:24 AM  

Mr. Titanium: AdolfOliverPanties: This is the mindset of today's GOP.  Millions of dollars towards useless gestures like voting to repeal Obamacare, billions of dollars fo outdated and unused military programs, but for AMERICANS that really need help?  Fark them.

And this guy is even FROM Oklahoma?  What a farking piece of shiat.

I'm not sure you caught what he is saying.  His constituents can have aid, but some other part of the budget has to be cut to make up for it.  Let someone ELSE suffer!


If that's his position, fine; cut enough non-emergency Federal aid to Oklahoma to offset the relief funding then. Cut highway construction money, military base budgets, Federal money to prisons & universities, etc.
 
2013-05-21 08:17:23 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Yeah I hate democracy too. And no, it wouldn't burn Coburn, he's the one that wants it.


No, I don't hate democracy. I also don't embrace the Osama bin Laden "Vote against Bush or all of America will feel my wrath" mentality where we cavalierly talk about "government you deserve" when most elections are decided by a slim majority. Apparently some people do. That's cool.
 
2013-05-21 08:17:24 AM  
BOOTSTRAPS!
 
2013-05-21 08:17:29 AM  

skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: The alternative is federal spending gets cut elsewhere, negatively impacting poor and needy there.

So it IS true that all our federal spending is on the poor?  shiat, that's a problem

HotWingConspiracy: Coburn's state actually feeling the effects of his decision making seems a perfectly cromulent compromise.

yeah, about half of whom voted for the other guy. Sins of the neighbor is good enough cuz boy would that burn Coburn!


yeah well that is how things work. we can't just give to the people who vote for social programs and emergency funds. the selfish get the same relief.
it's like how the red states get money from the blue states because they don't tax their people accordingly. they keep their taxes lower depending on others to supplement them. all the while stealing jobs from them because of their tax policies.
 
2013-05-21 08:17:39 AM  
Liberals: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.

Republicans: Me. It's all about me.
 
2013-05-21 08:18:37 AM  

Spaz-master: skullkrusher: Spaz-master: skullkrusher:

maybe they saw how fun scandalizin' was and want to find one of their very own.
Coburn spokesman asked a question about disaster aid. Spokesman says that Coburn's position is that disaster aid should be offset by cuts elsewhere. ZOMG WHY DOES HE WANT TO LEAVE CHILDREN BURIED IN THE RUBBBBBBBLES?!

THIS

Coburn is a shiatbag but my my my the Fark left is particularly frothy these days

Exactly.
They are wasting some unresolved anger on something like this.  Perhaps the scandal rumours have caused more butthurt than previously known.


I think they should be happy that this Coburn story has given them a chance to say something aside from "It was ok when Bush did it though!"
 
2013-05-21 08:19:15 AM  

skullkrusher: Spaz-master: HotWingConspiracy: Spaz-master: Dracolich: Spaz-master: It's amazing how many of the respondents didn't RTFA and only this flametatic headline.

FTFA "Oklahoma Republican Sen. Tom Coburn will seek to offset federal aid to victims of amassive tornado that blasted through Oklahoma City suburbs on Monday with cuts elsewhere in the budget. "

Bookkeeping is now heartless? I guess some of you would say that the only way to have a heart is blind spending without at least trying to manage the accounts being spent?

It's about priorities.  Right now, there are potentially still people trapped in rubble waiting to be rescued.  He's concerned about a political agenda.  It's like having a fire chief ask about your personal finances to pay for their visit while they're putting out your fire.  We all know it needs to be paid for, but perhaps his head should be in the game.

Perhaps, but he made this statement in response to the question about it... So wouldn't the member of the press be the Supreme Ultra Douche in this case, not the person who responded honestly?

Yeah man, the press is totally at fault for Coburn's policies.

So responding with a "Yes, we will offset this spending as before" is the heartless aspect, not the press member who inflamed something so obvious.  Do you also get angered when people point out that water is wet and that the sky is blue?  How heartless of them.

maybe they saw how fun scandalizin' was and want to find one of their very own.
Coburn spokesman asked a question about disaster aid. Spokesman says that Coburn's position is that disaster aid should be offset by cuts elsewhere. ZOMG WHY DOES HE WANT TO LEAVE CHILDREN BURIED IN THE RUBBBBBBBLES?!


I think his position is reasonable, just that he could phrased in a better way, as if offsetting the spending wasn't on the same level of priorities as disaster relief.
 
2013-05-21 08:19:22 AM  
OH HO HO.

The plot thickens.

Oklahoma gets $1.35 in Federal spending for every dollar they receive in taxes.

This is a leach state.  An entire state of takers.

Yeah, we can definitely find cuts in Federal spending in this state to offset the disaster aid.
 
2013-05-21 08:19:53 AM  

Hobodeluxe: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: The alternative is federal spending gets cut elsewhere, negatively impacting poor and needy there.

So it IS true that all our federal spending is on the poor?  shiat, that's a problem

HotWingConspiracy: Coburn's state actually feeling the effects of his decision making seems a perfectly cromulent compromise.

yeah, about half of whom voted for the other guy. Sins of the neighbor is good enough cuz boy would that burn Coburn!

yeah well that is how things work. we can't just give to the people who vote for social programs and emergency funds. the selfish get the same relief.
it's like how the red states get money from the blue states because they don't tax their people accordingly. they keep their taxes lower depending on others to supplement them. all the while stealing jobs from them because of their tax policies.


yeah, that's how it works. An unfortunate side effect of the democratic process. Not something to crow about while trying to berate SOMEONE ELSE for their stupidity and callousness
 
2013-05-21 08:20:16 AM  

Electrify: The saddest part is that Oklahoma will still vote Republican despite this.


He isn't going to stop aid reaching OK. The bill to find this will pass just fine, all this douche is doing is claiming to oppose spending he secretly wants. My guess is that when all is said and done the folks who voted for him will probably be happy with him because they will get the disaster aid money they need and want but can pretend that "we never wanted this, we were going to pull ourselves up by our bootstraps anyway".
 
2013-05-21 08:20:45 AM  

skullkrusher: Spaz-master: skullkrusher:

maybe they saw how fun scandalizin' was and want to find one of their very own.
Coburn spokesman asked a question about disaster aid. Spokesman says that Coburn's position is that disaster aid should be offset by cuts elsewhere. ZOMG WHY DOES HE WANT TO LEAVE CHILDREN BURIED IN THE RUBBBBBBBLES?!

THIS

Coburn is a shiatbag but my my my the Fark left is particularly frothy these days


To be fair, both sides are bad.....
 
2013-05-21 08:20:51 AM  

skullkrusher: I also don't embrace the Osama bin Laden "Vote against Bush or all of America will feel my wrath" mentality where we cavalierly talk about "government you deserve" when most elections are decided by a slim majority.


You're really good at setting up windmills, aren't you?

/precious
 
2013-05-21 08:21:47 AM  

Almost Everybody Poops: skullkrusher: Spaz-master: HotWingConspiracy: Spaz-master: Dracolich: Spaz-master: It's amazing how many of the respondents didn't RTFA and only this flametatic headline.

FTFA "Oklahoma Republican Sen. Tom Coburn will seek to offset federal aid to victims of amassive tornado that blasted through Oklahoma City suburbs on Monday with cuts elsewhere in the budget. "

Bookkeeping is now heartless? I guess some of you would say that the only way to have a heart is blind spending without at least trying to manage the accounts being spent?

It's about priorities.  Right now, there are potentially still people trapped in rubble waiting to be rescued.  He's concerned about a political agenda.  It's like having a fire chief ask about your personal finances to pay for their visit while they're putting out your fire.  We all know it needs to be paid for, but perhaps his head should be in the game.

Perhaps, but he made this statement in response to the question about it... So wouldn't the member of the press be the Supreme Ultra Douche in this case, not the person who responded honestly?

Yeah man, the press is totally at fault for Coburn's policies.

So responding with a "Yes, we will offset this spending as before" is the heartless aspect, not the press member who inflamed something so obvious.  Do you also get angered when people point out that water is wet and that the sky is blue?  How heartless of them.

maybe they saw how fun scandalizin' was and want to find one of their very own.
Coburn spokesman asked a question about disaster aid. Spokesman says that Coburn's position is that disaster aid should be offset by cuts elsewhere. ZOMG WHY DOES HE WANT TO LEAVE CHILDREN BURIED IN THE RUBBBBBBBLES?!

I think his position is reasonable, just that he could phrased in a better way, as if offsetting the spending wasn't on the same level of priorities as disaster relief.


Sure he could have. So that's the story? Coburn's spokesman is a dick for not deflecting a question? OK I guess
 
2013-05-21 08:22:26 AM  

skullkrusher: Almost Everybody Poops: skullkrusher: Spaz-master: HotWingConspiracy: Spaz-master: Dracolich: Spaz-master: It's amazing how many of the respondents didn't RTFA and only this flametatic headline.

FTFA "Oklahoma Republican Sen. Tom Coburn will seek to offset federal aid to victims of amassive tornado that blasted through Oklahoma City suburbs on Monday with cuts elsewhere in the budget. "

Bookkeeping is now heartless? I guess some of you would say that the only way to have a heart is blind spending without at least trying to manage the accounts being spent?

It's about priorities.  Right now, there are potentially still people trapped in rubble waiting to be rescued.  He's concerned about a political agenda.  It's like having a fire chief ask about your personal finances to pay for their visit while they're putting out your fire.  We all know it needs to be paid for, but perhaps his head should be in the game.

Perhaps, but he made this statement in response to the question about it... So wouldn't the member of the press be the Supreme Ultra Douche in this case, not the person who responded honestly?

Yeah man, the press is totally at fault for Coburn's policies.

So responding with a "Yes, we will offset this spending as before" is the heartless aspect, not the press member who inflamed something so obvious.  Do you also get angered when people point out that water is wet and that the sky is blue?  How heartless of them.

maybe they saw how fun scandalizin' was and want to find one of their very own.
Coburn spokesman asked a question about disaster aid. Spokesman says that Coburn's position is that disaster aid should be offset by cuts elsewhere. ZOMG WHY DOES HE WANT TO LEAVE CHILDREN BURIED IN THE RUBBBBBBBLES?!

I think his position is reasonable, just that he could phrased in a better way, as if offsetting the spending wasn't on the same level of priorities as disaster relief.

Sure he could have. So that's the story? Coburn's spokesman is a dick for not deflec ...


Yup...
///again... outrage meme
 
2013-05-21 08:22:28 AM  

Snarfangel: tbhouston: People too stupid to not have life insurance and tornado insurance shouldn't be bailed out by the government

I wonder how different the U.S. would look if it were federally mandated that every home and business have flood/fire/earthquake/tornado/hurricane/whatever insurance, with rates based on actual risk and replacement costs.

Quick, someone whip up a SimCity mod!


Probably wouldn't matter since as we all know if we were Gods we'd just create Tornadoes out of nowhere to decimate everything

/oh the ironing...
 
2013-05-21 08:22:30 AM  

skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah I hate democracy too. And no, it wouldn't burn Coburn, he's the one that wants it.

No, I don't hate democracy.


I think you might.

I also don't embrace the Osama bin Laden "Vote against Bush or all of America will feel my wrath" mentality where we cavalierly talk about "government you deserve" when most elections are decided by a slim majority. Apparently some people do. That's cool.

You certainly aren't obligated to embrace reality, but that is the reality of our democracy.

BTW, he won 71% of the vote in his last election.
 
2013-05-21 08:22:41 AM  

Zulu_as_Kono: skullkrusher: I also don't embrace the Osama bin Laden "Vote against Bush or all of America will feel my wrath" mentality where we cavalierly talk about "government you deserve" when most elections are decided by a slim majority.

You're really good at setting up windmills, aren't you?

/precious


one man's windmill is another man's concept that you apparently aren't  bright enough to grasp
 
2013-05-21 08:23:01 AM  

Snatch Bandergrip: Can any of the few occasionally rational Republicans on this site please give me one reason to vote Republican?


Consistency. Also, hobgoblins.
 
2013-05-21 08:23:56 AM  
How about this, why not raise taxes on the wealthy to pay for the disaster relief, instead of offsetting an already strapped budget?  Or if it's the principle, have a mix of spending cuts and tax increases.  Or how about we just send them the aid first and then worry about how to pay it later?

The fundamental point of government is to pool our resources for a common good.  The unresolved anger is that these asshats want to drown government in a bathtub and their cuts to programs like FEMA make getting aid to these folks that much more difficult.  If wanting a rationale disaster response policy that is adequately funded to appropriate levels makes me butthurt, then yes, I am pretty butthurt.

Making statements demanding offsets at this point is totally inappropriate, Coburn is being an ass.
 
2013-05-21 08:24:10 AM  
I wish they'd pass a law that there can be no more votes on repealing ObamaCare until OKC gets their relief check.
 
2013-05-21 08:24:16 AM  
Administration should offer the cuts the pentagon wants as the offsets, but nothing else.
 
2013-05-21 08:24:28 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah I hate democracy too. And no, it wouldn't burn Coburn, he's the one that wants it.

No, I don't hate democracy.

I think you might.

I also don't embrace the Osama bin Laden "Vote against Bush or all of America will feel my wrath" mentality where we cavalierly talk about "government you deserve" when most elections are decided by a slim majority. Apparently some people do. That's cool.

You certainly aren't obligated to embrace reality, but that is the reality of our democracy.

BTW, he won 71% of the vote in his last election.


Recognizing democracy's drawbacks is the same as celebrating them? You sure you "think" about anything man? ;)

Yeah I think I was looking at the results of the prior election. Just a matter of degree
 
2013-05-21 08:26:55 AM  

skullkrusher: Almost Everybody Poops: skullkrusher: Spaz-master: HotWingConspiracy: Spaz-master: Dracolich: Spaz-master: It's amazing how many of the respondents didn't RTFA and only this flametatic headline.

FTFA "Oklahoma Republican Sen. Tom Coburn will seek to offset federal aid to victims of amassive tornado that blasted through Oklahoma City suburbs on Monday with cuts elsewhere in the budget. "

Bookkeeping is now heartless? I guess some of you would say that the only way to have a heart is blind spending without at least trying to manage the accounts being spent?

It's about priorities.  Right now, there are potentially still people trapped in rubble waiting to be rescued.  He's concerned about a political agenda.  It's like having a fire chief ask about your personal finances to pay for their visit while they're putting out your fire.  We all know it needs to be paid for, but perhaps his head should be in the game.

Perhaps, but he made this statement in response to the question about it... So wouldn't the member of the press be the Supreme Ultra Douche in this case, not the person who responded honestly?

Yeah man, the press is totally at fault for Coburn's policies.

So responding with a "Yes, we will offset this spending as before" is the heartless aspect, not the press member who inflamed something so obvious.  Do you also get angered when people point out that water is wet and that the sky is blue?  How heartless of them.

maybe they saw how fun scandalizin' was and want to find one of their very own.
Coburn spokesman asked a question about disaster aid. Spokesman says that Coburn's position is that disaster aid should be offset by cuts elsewhere. ZOMG WHY DOES HE WANT TO LEAVE CHILDREN BURIED IN THE RUBBBBBBBLES?!

I think his position is reasonable, just that he could phrased in a better way, as if offsetting the spending wasn't on the same level of priorities as disaster relief.

Sure he could have. So that's the story? Coburn's spokesman is a dick for not deflec ...


No, I think the headline is overly dramatic and sensational (on fark? really??).  And context is key, I dunno if the quote in the article was just after he expressed deep thoughts and feelings for those affected, like Jack Handey.  I guess my point is.... well....

Fark.
 
2013-05-21 08:27:29 AM  

Target Builder: Electrify: The saddest part is that Oklahoma will still vote Republican despite this.

He isn't going to stop aid reaching OK. The bill to find this will pass just fine, all this douche is doing is claiming to oppose spending he secretly wants. My guess is that when all is said and done the folks who voted for him will probably be happy with him because they will get the disaster aid money they need and want but can pretend that "we never wanted this, we were going to pull ourselves up by our bootstraps anyway".


Because when you're holding the broken body of your dead child, the only thing that can offset that grief is knowing that the firefighter, who pulled little Timmy out of the school, was paid for with monies earmarked for poor brown people.
 
2013-05-21 08:27:46 AM  

skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah I hate democracy too. And no, it wouldn't burn Coburn, he's the one that wants it.

No, I don't hate democracy. I also don't embrace the Osama bin Laden "Vote against Bush or all of America will feel my wrath" mentality where we cavalierly talk about "government you deserve" when most elections are decided by a slim majority. Apparently some people do. That's cool.


Of course Bin Laden could have been using reverse psychology knowing how Americans would react to such a threat. But I don't see it any different than Cheney's "It's absolutely essential that eight weeks from today, on Nov. 2, we make the right choice, because if we make the wrong choice then the danger is that we'll get hit again and we'll be hit in a way that will be devastating from the standpoint of the United States,"

Now if bin Laden was making a terroristic threat couldn't the same be said about Cheney?
 
2013-05-21 08:28:08 AM  

skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah I hate democracy too. And no, it wouldn't burn Coburn, he's the one that wants it.

No, I don't hate democracy.

I think you might.

I also don't embrace the Osama bin Laden "Vote against Bush or all of America will feel my wrath" mentality where we cavalierly talk about "government you deserve" when most elections are decided by a slim majority. Apparently some people do. That's cool.

You certainly aren't obligated to embrace reality, but that is the reality of our democracy.

BTW, he won 71% of the vote in his last election.

Recognizing democracy's drawbacks is the same as celebrating them? You sure you "think" about anything man? ;)

Yeah I think I was looking at the results of the prior election. Just a matter of degree


In fairness to the people of OK, this guy was the competition:

upload.wikimedia.org

I'm not joking. I know nothing about the man, but try to clean up for your official photo.
 
2013-05-21 08:28:15 AM  

TheMysteriousStranger: Give him some credit, most Republicans are against aid for everyone else but want money bags for their own state.

He is a nut, but an honest one.


Are you under the impression that the "offsets" he is talking about are coming out of federal money to Oklahoma?  The dirtbag wants someone else in the country to take cuts to make up for the money his constituents will get.
 
2013-05-21 08:28:35 AM  
This storm is, without a doubt, the best thing to happen to Democratic partisans in weeks.  It's impossible that they're going to let this opportunity go to waste.
 
2013-05-21 08:29:00 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: OH HO HO.

The plot thickens.

Oklahoma gets $1.35 in Federal spending for every dollar they receive in taxes.

This is a leach state.  An entire state of takers.

Yeah, we can definitely find cuts in Federal spending in this state to offset the disaster aid.


and they use that tax deficit to lure jobs from blue states.
 
2013-05-21 08:29:20 AM  

Mr. Titanium: TheMysteriousStranger: Give him some credit, most Republicans are against aid for everyone else but want money bags for their own state.

He is a nut, but an honest one.

Are you under the impression that the "offsets" he is talking about are coming out of federal money to Oklahoma?  The dirtbag wants someone else in the country to take cuts to make up for the money his constituents will get.


Isn't that how all federal spending offsets work?
 
2013-05-21 08:29:57 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah I hate democracy too. And no, it wouldn't burn Coburn, he's the one that wants it.

No, I don't hate democracy.

I think you might.

I also don't embrace the Osama bin Laden "Vote against Bush or all of America will feel my wrath" mentality where we cavalierly talk about "government you deserve" when most elections are decided by a slim majority. Apparently some people do. That's cool.

You certainly aren't obligated to embrace reality, but that is the reality of our democracy.

BTW, he won 71% of the vote in his last election.

Recognizing democracy's drawbacks is the same as celebrating them? You sure you "think" about anything man? ;)

Yeah I think I was looking at the results of the prior election. Just a matter of degree

In fairness to the people of OK, this guy was the competition:



I'm not joking. I know nothing about the man, but try to clean up for your official photo.


That's his best Sunday outfit, bro. The colors match and everything.
 
2013-05-21 08:30:05 AM  

skullkrusher: yeah! Fark those poor and needy in OK! That'll show Coburn!

This is why you people aren't nearly as wise or compassionate as you like to tell each other you are.


Are you saying that it's wrong to give the people of Oklahoma precisely what they've been demanding?

If Coburn and Inhofe want the aid to be offset by budget cuts then they're basically demanding that everyone else do with less to benefit OK. If OK is unwilling to bear the burden of helping other states, why should other states bear the burden of helping them?
 
2013-05-21 08:30:25 AM  

GoldSpider: This storm is, without a doubt, the best thing to happen to Democratic partisans in weeks.  It's impossible that they're going to let this opportunity go to waste.


Care to elaborate?
 
2013-05-21 08:30:26 AM  

GoldSpider: This storm is, without a doubt, the best thing to happen to Democratic partisans in weeks.  It's impossible that they're going to let this opportunity go to waste.


no not the storm. Coburn's asshattery.
 
2013-05-21 08:30:43 AM  

GoldSpider: This storm is, without a doubt, the best thing to happen to Democratic partisans in weeks.  It's impossible that they're going to let this opportunity go to waste.


The corollary to this is that Darrell Issa will have to masturbate in private for a few days.
 
2013-05-21 08:31:36 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: If OK is unwilling to bear the burden of helping other states, why should other states bear the burden of helping them?


Because playing along in that game is bad for us all in the long run.
 
2013-05-21 08:32:46 AM  

doyner: Monkeyhouse Zendo: If OK is unwilling to bear the burden of helping other states, why should other states bear the burden of helping them?

Because playing along in that game is bad for us all in the long run.


you sound like a socialist commie
 
2013-05-21 08:33:20 AM  

Almost Everybody Poops: Care to elaborate?


This will be in the news for the next week or so.  Takes the news cycle attention away from the IRS, AP snooping and intimidating reporters.

Hobodeluxe: no not the storm. Coburn's asshattery.


Both.

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: The corollary to this is that Darrell Issa will have to masturbate in private for a few days.


LOL, wut?
 
2013-05-21 08:34:12 AM  

SteakMan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo8iNvmpsbQ


Nice Vid! Good to hear a guy make an argument in his own words.
 
2013-05-21 08:34:16 AM  
Wow, I was going to make a joke about this today but this guy came out and actually said it. His own constituents, too. At least he puts his money where his mouth is, but OK richly deserves to have aid held up for a couple of months because of this dude's asshattery (for being stupid enough to elect him), and then he needs to lose his job. He's certainly handing his opponents a bunch of ammunition for the next election.
 
2013-05-21 08:34:31 AM  

DeaH: Somehow, I don't think the people who voted for him are going to like this. Of course, he's retiring, and I bet with a lot more money than when he joined congress.


And he won't be going back to Oklahoma. I'd wager there's a fat partnership at a lobby-house waiting for him.
 
2013-05-21 08:34:58 AM  
On the other side of it, Tom Cole (Republican Congressman) was on the radio (NPR) earlier talking about how when he voted for Sandy Relief, he had said that, "we are just one tornado away" from the same situation. His home was less than a mile from the path of destruction, and he apparently worked as a groundskeeper at the elementary school that was destroyed as a teen.

Not all of them are assholes, and I'm sure Cole will be on the line to chew out Coburn shortly.
 
2013-05-21 08:35:12 AM  

Hobodeluxe: doyner: Monkeyhouse Zendo: If OK is unwilling to bear the burden of helping other states, why should other states bear the burden of helping them?

Because playing along in that game is bad for us all in the long run.

you sound like a socialist commie


I'm sure many folks think that.
 
2013-05-21 08:35:50 AM  

doyner: Monkeyhouse Zendo: If OK is unwilling to bear the burden of helping other states, why should other states bear the burden of helping them?

Because playing along in that game is bad for us all in the long run.


We've already been playing that game for decades.  OK has received more federal money then it's given back for it's entire existence.  It's time we started to halt that.  We have a budget crisis, after all.
 
2013-05-21 08:36:11 AM  

Hobodeluxe: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah I hate democracy too. And no, it wouldn't burn Coburn, he's the one that wants it.

No, I don't hate democracy. I also don't embrace the Osama bin Laden "Vote against Bush or all of America will feel my wrath" mentality where we cavalierly talk about "government you deserve" when most elections are decided by a slim majority. Apparently some people do. That's cool.

Of course Bin Laden could have been using reverse psychology knowing how Americans would react to such a threat. But I don't see it any different than Cheney's "It's absolutely essential that eight weeks from today, on Nov. 2, we make the right choice, because if we make the wrong choice then the danger is that we'll get hit again and we'll be hit in a way that will be devastating from the standpoint of the United States,"

Now if bin Laden was making a terroristic threat couldn't the same be said about Cheney?


Ok... What's your point?
 
2013-05-21 08:36:14 AM  

GoldSpider: Almost Everybody Poops: Care to elaborate?

This will be in the news for the next week or so.  Takes the news cycle attention away from the IRS, AP snooping and intimidating reporters.


Ah, maybe for a few days but there will be so many hearings those "scandals" will be in the news for weeks.
 
2013-05-21 08:36:18 AM  
Remember folks, being morally consistent isn't the same as being consistently moral.
 
2013-05-21 08:36:20 AM  
So wait... tragedy occurs due to gunman and "too soon to talk about gun legislation."

But a natural disaster occurs and inmediately "we need to cut the budget to pay relief efforts."
 
2013-05-21 08:36:22 AM  

GoldSpider: This storm is, without a doubt, the best thing to happen to Democratic partisans in weeks.  It's impossible that they're going to let this opportunity go to waste.


I've read you're posts for a few years now. You're better than this.

We're going to ensure that OK gets the disaster relief it needs regardless of whether, as a state, they've been working to deny that sort of aid to other states. That's how the US works, whether they like it or not. If Coburn wants to be a dick and require that the aid be offset by budget cuts then I see no reason why OK shouldn't bear the burden of those cuts.
 
2013-05-21 08:37:09 AM  

GoldSpider: This will be in the news for the next week or so. Takes the news cycle attention away from the IRS, AP snooping and intimidating reporters.


nah the today show has already ran those stories this morning too. I'm guessing they won't be the main focus of attention but they are still giving them lip service once an hour.
 
2013-05-21 08:37:25 AM  

cptjeff: On the other side of it, Tom Cole (Republican Congressman) was on the radio (NPR) earlier talking about how when he voted for Sandy Relief, he had said that, "we are just one tornado away" from the same situation. His home was less than a mile from the path of destruction, and he apparently worked as a groundskeeper at the elementary school that was destroyed as a teen.

Not all of them are assholes, and I'm sure Cole will be on the line to chew out Coburn shortly.


That's actually really good to hear.
 
2013-05-21 08:37:34 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah I hate democracy too. And no, it wouldn't burn Coburn, he's the one that wants it.

No, I don't hate democracy.

I think you might.

I also don't embrace the Osama bin Laden "Vote against Bush or all of America will feel my wrath" mentality where we cavalierly talk about "government you deserve" when most elections are decided by a slim majority. Apparently some people do. That's cool.

You certainly aren't obligated to embrace reality, but that is the reality of our democracy.

BTW, he won 71% of the vote in his last election.

Recognizing democracy's drawbacks is the same as celebrating them? You sure you "think" about anything man? ;)

Yeah I think I was looking at the results of the prior election. Just a matter of degree

In fairness to the people of OK, this guy was the competition:



I'm not joking. I know nothing about the man, but try to clean up for your official photo.


Hehe dayum!
 
2013-05-21 08:38:12 AM  

skullkrusher: Hobodeluxe: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah I hate democracy too. And no, it wouldn't burn Coburn, he's the one that wants it.

No, I don't hate democracy. I also don't embrace the Osama bin Laden "Vote against Bush or all of America will feel my wrath" mentality where we cavalierly talk about "government you deserve" when most elections are decided by a slim majority. Apparently some people do. That's cool.

Of course Bin Laden could have been using reverse psychology knowing how Americans would react to such a threat. But I don't see it any different than Cheney's "It's absolutely essential that eight weeks from today, on Nov. 2, we make the right choice, because if we make the wrong choice then the danger is that we'll get hit again and we'll be hit in a way that will be devastating from the standpoint of the United States,"

Now if bin Laden was making a terroristic threat couldn't the same be said about Cheney?

Ok... What's your point?


I dunno you dragged the bin Laden quote into the conversation.
 
2013-05-21 08:38:37 AM  

Hobodeluxe: Satanic_Hamster: OH HO HO.

The plot thickens.

Oklahoma gets $1.35 in Federal spending for every dollar they receive in taxes.

This is a leach state.  An entire state of takers.

Yeah, we can definitely find cuts in Federal spending in this state to offset the disaster aid.

and they use that tax deficit to lure jobs from blue states.


Have you been to Oklahoma? That plan is clearly not working.

That being said, I do not approve of punishing people for the sin of voting Republican, nor do I like the idea that our already weak social contact will be further degraded to pay for this tragedy, further compounding our tragedy. It's a kind of sick perpetual sadness machine Coburn is attempting to construct in service to some numbers on a ledger.
He's bad, and the people that vote for such ideas are stupid, but helping stupid people without being dicks about it is something you should really strive to do, although I understand the temptation to rub noses in poo a little. But come on, a lot of these people had their homes striped to the foundation.
 
2013-05-21 08:39:09 AM  

Hobodeluxe: GoldSpider: This will be in the news for the next week or so. Takes the news cycle attention away from the IRS, AP snooping and intimidating reporters.

nah the today show has already ran those stories this morning too. I'm guessing they won't be the main focus of attention but they are still giving them lip service once an hour.


We have 51 dead Americans. What difference at this point does it make?
 
2013-05-21 08:39:13 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: GoldSpider: This storm is, without a doubt, the best thing to happen to Democratic partisans in weeks.  It's impossible that they're going to let this opportunity go to waste.

I've read you're posts for a few years now. You're better than this.

We're going to ensure that OK gets the disaster relief it needs regardless of whether, as a state, they've been working to deny that sort of aid to other states. That's how the US works, whether they like it or not. If Coburn wants to be a dick and require that the aid be offset by budget cuts then I see no reason why OK shouldn't bear the burden of those cuts.


I would find it hilarious if those budget offsets came from Oklahoma itself. "You can have some crop subsidies or a wide scale rescue and relief effort." I would absolutely love to see that public debate.
 
2013-05-21 08:39:50 AM  
Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist:

Because when you're holding the broken body of your dead child, the only thing that can offset that grief is knowing that the firefighter, who pulled little Timmy out of the school, was paid for with monies earmarked for poor brown people.

Nobody is going to get their earmarks cut. There are 99 other Senators and most of them will vote to pass whatever funding bill reaches them, which will almost certainly be a clean bill. This is just Coburn being a jackass trying to have his cake and eat it with regards to disaster spending when he should be trying to do something productive or supportive for his constituents.
 
2013-05-21 08:39:58 AM  

Hobodeluxe: skullkrusher: Hobodeluxe: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah I hate democracy too. And no, it wouldn't burn Coburn, he's the one that wants it.

No, I don't hate democracy. I also don't embrace the Osama bin Laden "Vote against Bush or all of America will feel my wrath" mentality where we cavalierly talk about "government you deserve" when most elections are decided by a slim majority. Apparently some people do. That's cool.

Of course Bin Laden could have been using reverse psychology knowing how Americans would react to such a threat. But I don't see it any different than Cheney's "It's absolutely essential that eight weeks from today, on Nov. 2, we make the right choice, because if we make the wrong choice then the danger is that we'll get hit again and we'll be hit in a way that will be devastating from the standpoint of the United States,"

Now if bin Laden was making a terroristic threat couldn't the same be said about Cheney?

Ok... What's your point?

I dunno you dragged the bin Laden quote into the conversation.


And you apparently missed the point of it
 
2013-05-21 08:40:17 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: I've read you're posts for a few years now. You're better than this.


I DID limit the direction of my comments to the partisans.

And I also acknowledged upthread that I thought Coburn is being a dick about this.
 
2013-05-21 08:42:16 AM  

doyner: Monkeyhouse Zendo: If OK is unwilling to bear the burden of helping other states, why should other states bear the burden of helping them?

Because playing along in that game is bad for us all in the long run.


Should have made it clearer that it was a rhetorical question but, what the hell, it's fark. Yes, playing that game makes us all worse off in the long run. There is a part of me that wants OK to get a taste of the policies they're demanding but I have no doubt that the lesson would be completely lost on most of them.
 
2013-05-21 08:42:36 AM  

skullkrusher: And you apparently missed the point of it


They're beginning to sound precisely like that which they claim to despise.  You don't expect them to acknowledge that, do you?
 
2013-05-21 08:44:12 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: There is a part of me that wants OK to get a taste of the policies they're demanding but I have no doubt that the lesson would be completely lost on most of them.


That's the difference between you and the partisans.  I have you favorited (in a positive color) for that reason.
 
2013-05-21 08:46:48 AM  

Mr. Titanium: TheMysteriousStranger: Give him some credit, most Republicans are against aid for everyone else but want money bags for their own state.

He is a nut, but an honest one.

Are you under the impression that the "offsets" he is talking about are coming out of federal money to Oklahoma?  The dirtbag wants someone else in the country to take cuts to make up for the money his constituents will get.


Because that wouldn't happen if it just came as a blank check from the general fund?  Do you actually read what you type or just let rhetoric have its way?
 
2013-05-21 08:47:34 AM  

GoldSpider: Monkeyhouse Zendo: I've read you're posts for a few years now. You're better than this.

I DID limit the direction of my comments to the partisans.

And I also acknowledged upthread that I thought Coburn is being a dick about this.


You might also want to acknowledge that what these horrible partisan democrats are proposing is that we give OK precisely what they've been demanding for the last three decades. The people of OK are not children and there is no reason that we should treat them as such.
 
2013-05-21 08:47:59 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: doyner: Monkeyhouse Zendo: If OK is unwilling to bear the burden of helping other states, why should other states bear the burden of helping them?

Because playing along in that game is bad for us all in the long run.

Should have made it clearer that it was a rhetorical question but, what the hell, it's fark. Yes, playing that game makes us all worse off in the long run. There is a part of me that wants OK to get a taste of the policies they're demanding but I have no doubt that the lesson would be completely lost on most of them.


It surely would. It's far better to help them AND let them have their awful delusions, because the alternative is to hurt them and become spiteful. They wouldn't get why they're being punished, and it would probably end up causing needless suffering, so in the balance we should probably just help and then not do that offset thing.
 
2013-05-21 08:48:02 AM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Hobodeluxe: Satanic_Hamster: OH HO HO.

The plot thickens.

Oklahoma gets $1.35 in Federal spending for every dollar they receive in taxes.

This is a leach state.  An entire state of takers.

Yeah, we can definitely find cuts in Federal spending in this state to offset the disaster aid.

and they use that tax deficit to lure jobs from blue states.

Have you been to Oklahoma? That plan is clearly not working.

That being said, I do not approve of punishing people for the sin of voting Republican, nor do I like the idea that our already weak social contact will be further degraded to pay for this tragedy, further compounding our tragedy. It's a kind of sick perpetual sadness machine Coburn is attempting to construct in service to some numbers on a ledger.
He's bad, and the people that vote for such ideas are stupid, but helping stupid people without being dicks about it is something you should really strive to do, although I understand the temptation to rub noses in poo a little. But come on, a lot of these people had their homes striped to the foundation.


did you not see the post where I said that I was being sarcastic and only teasing the republicans here on this thread? I sent off a pretty sizable donation (for me anyway) to the Salvation Army in Norman and to the Red Cross yesterday evening. And I'm one of those heartless,godless atheist libby libs. I just think that people need to own up to the real world consequences of their politics
 
2013-05-21 08:49:25 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: GoldSpider: Monkeyhouse Zendo: I've read you're posts for a few years now. You're better than this.

I DID limit the direction of my comments to the partisans.

And I also acknowledged upthread that I thought Coburn is being a dick about this.

You might also want to acknowledge that what these horrible partisan democrats are proposing is that we give OK precisely what they've been demanding for the last three decades. The people of OK are not children and there is no reason that we should treat them as such.


unfortunately a lot of them are children and they are homeless or without parents. that being said it's hard to teach people a lesson without some tough love.
 
2013-05-21 08:49:31 AM  
I just want to note that in 2013, when the Disaster Relief Appropriations Act, which was created to help the victims of Hurricane Sandy, was up for a vote in the Senate, he voted against it:

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote _c fm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00004
 
2013-05-21 08:51:01 AM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: That being said, I do not approve of punishing people for the sin of voting Republican, nor do I like the idea that our already weak social contact will be further degraded to pay for this tragedy, further compounding our tragedy. It's a kind of sick perpetual sadness machine Coburn is attempting to construct in service to some numbers on a ledger.
He's bad, and the people that vote for such ideas are stupid, but helping stupid people without being dicks about it is something you should really strive to do, although I understand the temptation to rub noses in poo a little. But come on, a lot of these people had their homes striped to the foundation.


Elections have consequences.
 
2013-05-21 08:51:26 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: You might also want to acknowledge that what these horrible partisan democrats are proposing is that we give OK precisely what they've been demanding for the last three decades. The people of OK are not children and there is no reason that we should treat them as such.


On the other hand, this could be a teachable moment to the people of Oklahoma about the role and ability of the federal government in a limited crisis.  But considering they already receive $1.35 of funding for every dollar they contribute, perhaps my optimism is undue.
 
2013-05-21 08:53:27 AM  

Electriclectic: I think I actually appreciate this more than Ted Cruz saying disaster relief is pork, then turning around and asking for it after the Waco explosion. This Oklahoma guy might be an asshole, but at least he's consistent.

Consistently evil and ignorant, but consistent nonetheless.


Agree with sentiment except'''''


/Waco didn't explode, that was West
// Koresh thing was in Elk
/// Slashes come in threes
 
2013-05-21 08:55:59 AM  

GoldSpider: Monkeyhouse Zendo: You might also want to acknowledge that what these horrible partisan democrats are proposing is that we give OK precisely what they've been demanding for the last three decades. The people of OK are not children and there is no reason that we should treat them as such.

On the other hand, this could be a teachable moment to the people of Oklahoma about the role and ability of the federal government in a limited crisis.  But considering they already receive $1.35 of funding for every dollar they contribute, perhaps my optimism is undue.


If the people of Oklahoma could be taught, they wouldn't live in f$cking Oklahoma.
 
2013-05-21 08:59:02 AM  
Watching Mother Nature beat up Republicans and their philosophy is always fun.
 
2013-05-21 08:59:59 AM  

NateGrey: Watching Mother Nature beat up Republicans and their philosophy is always fun.


That's not sociopathic at all.
 
2013-05-21 09:00:00 AM  

skullkrusher: Satanic_Hamster: Fine.  I'm sure we can find budget cuts of Federal spending in Oklahoma to compensate.

yeah! Fark those poor and needy in OK! That'll show Coburn!

This is why you people aren't nearly as wise or compassionate as you like to tell each other you are.


I don't know who the "you people" you are referring to is here. But taking the cuts from Oklahoma is a terrible idea -- the only thing thing "good" about it is that it would be so unpopular that it likely wouldn't happen.

The whole point of making disaster aid a federal program is it spreads the cost as widely as possible, just like insurance. Other terrible ideas: offsetting the cost by budget cuts elsewhere, refusing to provide federal disaster aid, eliminating FEMA, and making states run their own disaster aid programs.
 
2013-05-21 09:01:48 AM  

GoldSpider: NateGrey: Watching Mother Nature beat up Republicans and their philosophy is always fun.

That's not sociopathic at all.


When it comes to Republicans the correct word is Schadenfreude.
 
2013-05-21 09:01:53 AM  

Zasteva: skullkrusher: Satanic_Hamster: Fine.  I'm sure we can find budget cuts of Federal spending in Oklahoma to compensate.

yeah! Fark those poor and needy in OK! That'll show Coburn!

This is why you people aren't nearly as wise or compassionate as you like to tell each other you are.

I don't know who the "you people" you are referring to is here. But taking the cuts from Oklahoma is a terrible idea -- the only thing thing "good" about it is that it would be so unpopular that it likely wouldn't happen.

The whole point of making disaster aid a federal program is it spreads the cost as widely as possible, just like insurance. Other terrible ideas: offsetting the cost by budget cuts elsewhere, refusing to provide federal disaster aid, eliminating FEMA, and making states run their own disaster aid programs.


people like the poster I was responding to. Ya know, more progressive than thou, hypocritical as hell, anyone who disagrees with them must shiat GOP bunting and promise rings... Ya know, those people
 
2013-05-21 09:02:22 AM  

GoldSpider: Monkeyhouse Zendo: You might also want to acknowledge that what these horrible partisan democrats are proposing is that we give OK precisely what they've been demanding for the last three decades. The people of OK are not children and there is no reason that we should treat them as such.

On the other hand, this could be a teachable moment to the people of Oklahoma about the role and ability of the federal government in a limited crisis.  But considering they already receive $1.35 of funding for every dollar they contribute, perhaps my optimism is undue.


So true. I've always found the aftermath of natural disasters that include loss of life to be the best time to lessons on fiscal responsibility. If you wait until all of the bodies are found, you've waited too long.
 
2013-05-21 09:03:53 AM  

GoldSpider: NateGrey: Watching Mother Nature beat up Republicans and their philosophy is always fun.

That's not sociopathic at all.


no more than voting for a party that wants to take food out of the mouths of babies.
 
2013-05-21 09:04:42 AM  

skullkrusher: people like the poster I was responding to. Ya know, more progressive than thou, hypocritical as hell, anyone who disagrees with them must shiat GOP bunting and promise rings... Ya know, those people


So the ones that live in your imagination. Thanks for clearing that up, it was getting a little confusing when we thought you were talking about, you know, actual people.
 
2013-05-21 09:05:29 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: So true. I've always found the aftermath of natural disasters that include loss of life to be the best time to lessons on fiscal responsibility. If you wait until all of the bodies are found, you've waited too long.


I have a feeling that if the GOP stonewalls aid, the people affected (including the most staunch Republican voters) will remember.  Personal tragedy has the potential to challenge the most stubborn of beliefs.
 
2013-05-21 09:06:51 AM  

Hobodeluxe: GoldSpider: NateGrey: Watching Mother Nature beat up Republicans and their philosophy is always fun.

That's not sociopathic at all.

no more than voting for a party that wants to take food out of the mouths of babies.


That's it. Fark has to change its name to tuquoque.com

That is pretty much the ONLY argument type ever made these days.
 
2013-05-21 09:07:19 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: So true. I've always found the aftermath of natural disasters that include loss of life to be the best time to lessons on fiscal responsibility. If you wait until all of the bodies are found, you've waited too long.


it's true. this nation has the attention span of a gnat.
 
2013-05-21 09:09:11 AM  

skullkrusher: Hobodeluxe: GoldSpider: NateGrey: Watching Mother Nature beat up Republicans and their philosophy is always fun.

That's not sociopathic at all.

no more than voting for a party that wants to take food out of the mouths of babies.

That's it. Fark has to change its name to tuquoque.com

That is pretty much the ONLY argument type ever made these days.


Well, what's left when logic, reason and empirical data are off the table?
 
2013-05-21 09:09:20 AM  

GoldSpider: This storm is, without a doubt, the best thing to happen to Democratic partisans in weeks.  It's impossible that they're going to let this opportunity go to waste.


Yeah, how dare those Democrats take this opportunity to help people in need after a major natural disaster. It's disgraceful.

/What Republicans actually believe.
 
2013-05-21 09:10:23 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: So true. I've always found the aftermath of natural disasters mass shootings that include loss of life to be the best time to lessons on fiscal responsibility gun control. If you wait until all of the bodies are found, you've waited too long.


Indeed.
 
2013-05-21 09:11:31 AM  

skullkrusher: Hobodeluxe: GoldSpider: NateGrey: Watching Mother Nature beat up Republicans and their philosophy is always fun.

That's not sociopathic at all.

no more than voting for a party that wants to take food out of the mouths of babies.

That's it. Fark has to change its name to tuquoque.com

That is pretty much the ONLY argument type ever made these days.


so when you vote to take end school lunches, cut food stamps, deny medical care etc. and to use that money to buy tanks and jets the pentagon doesn't even want that's being fiscally responsible and bootstrappy? but when someone mentions letting your own ideology punish you and that the consequences of your party's politics have repercussions that bite you on the ass it's sociopathic? got it.
 
2013-05-21 09:11:46 AM  

glmorrs1: Yeah, how dare those Democrats take this opportunity to help people in need after a major natural disaster. It's disgraceful.


gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net

Deliberately, I presume.
 
2013-05-21 09:11:55 AM  
Coburn isn't saying that he wants to prevent aid from going to his state.  What he is saying is, "The residents of my state want aid, damn right, and we want it toot suite, but we also demand cuts to these here slave reparations goin' to the lazy urbanites who done stole the election for history's greatest monster.  Money should go to REAL MURCANS, not these here lazy urbanites."

Dangle a contract to build unneeded, unwanted tanks and let's see if Coburn demands offsetting budget cuts.
 
2013-05-21 09:12:04 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: skullkrusher: Hobodeluxe: GoldSpider: NateGrey: Watching Mother Nature beat up Republicans and their philosophy is always fun.

That's not sociopathic at all.

no more than voting for a party that wants to take food out of the mouths of babies.

That's it. Fark has to change its name to tuquoque.com

That is pretty much the ONLY argument type ever made these days.

Well, what's left when logic, reason and empirical data are off the table?


put them back on?
Or we can piss our pants for eternity about overblown "scandals" and the fact that a senator's spokesman may or may not have handled a question about a natural disaster in a public relations friendly manner
 
2013-05-21 09:12:41 AM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-21 09:17:10 AM  

GoldSpider: Uranus Is Huge!: So true. I've always found the aftermath of natural disasters mass shootings that include loss of life to be the best time to lessons on fiscal responsibility gun control. If you wait until all of the bodies are found, you've waited too long.

Indeed.


The wrong time for talk about gun control:  Right after a mass shooting
The wrong time for talk about gun control:  When there hasn't been a mass shooting for a while
The right time to talk about gun control: One divided by zero

The right time to talk about fiscal responsibility:  Right after a natural disaster
The right time to talk about fiscal responsibility:  When there hasn't been a natural disaster for a while
The wrong time to talk about fiscal responsibility:  Bill to build tanks the Pentagon doesn't want
 
2013-05-21 09:17:11 AM  

skullkrusher: Zasteva: skullkrusher: Satanic_Hamster: Fine.  I'm sure we can find budget cuts of Federal spending in Oklahoma to compensate.

yeah! Fark those poor and needy in OK! That'll show Coburn!

This is why you people aren't nearly as wise or compassionate as you like to tell each other you are.

I don't know who the "you people" you are referring to is here. But taking the cuts from Oklahoma is a terrible idea -- the only thing thing "good" about it is that it would be so unpopular that it likely wouldn't happen.

The whole point of making disaster aid a federal program is it spreads the cost as widely as possible, just like insurance. Other terrible ideas: offsetting the cost by budget cuts elsewhere, refusing to provide federal disaster aid, eliminating FEMA, and making states run their own disaster aid programs.

people like the poster I was responding to. Ya know, more progressive than thou, hypocritical as hell, anyone who disagrees with them must shiat GOP bunting and promise rings... Ya know, those people


Yeah, I hear ya :-)
 
2013-05-21 09:21:16 AM  
Why is disaster spending something that needs to be off set with cuts elsewhere?  Why not raise taxes or have a dedicated tax for disaster relief?  It just sounds like another excuse to pander to the tea party and cut funding for stuff the GOP doesn't like, just like every other time they've brought up the budget since 2009.  l believe the GOP is serious about the budget when they include cuts to defense and/or tax increases on anyone but poor people

Disaster relief should be one thing that we just pay for because we need to help our citizens.
 
2013-05-21 09:21:38 AM  

skullkrusher: Zasteva: skullkrusher: Satanic_Hamster: Fine.  I'm sure we can find budget cuts of Federal spending in Oklahoma to compensate.

yeah! Fark those poor and needy in OK! That'll show Coburn!

This is why you people aren't nearly as wise or compassionate as you like to tell each other you are.

I don't know who the "you people" you are referring to is here. But taking the cuts from Oklahoma is a terrible idea -- the only thing thing "good" about it is that it would be so unpopular that it likely wouldn't happen.

The whole point of making disaster aid a federal program is it spreads the cost as widely as possible, just like insurance. Other terrible ideas: offsetting the cost by budget cuts elsewhere, refusing to provide federal disaster aid, eliminating FEMA, and making states run their own disaster aid programs.

people like the poster I was responding to. Ya know, more progressive than thou, hypocritical as hell, anyone who disagrees with them must shiat GOP bunting and promise rings... Ya know, those people


I'm pretty sure Satanic_Hamster was being sarcastic though.

My first thought was they should take the offsets from the Senate's budget -- going without toilet paper for a while might make them rethink voting for offsets.
 
2013-05-21 09:23:38 AM  
If you aren't running again, do you really have "constituents"? I mean, you no longer need those plebeians.

Coburn is a cock sucker and I wish him nothing but pain and suffering.
 
2013-05-21 09:25:53 AM  
Both sides are bad, you guys.
 
2013-05-21 09:26:05 AM  

Baryogenesis: Why is disaster spending something that needs to be off set with cuts elsewhere?  Why not raise taxes or have a dedicated tax for disaster relief?  It just sounds like another excuse to pander to the tea party and cut funding for stuff the GOP doesn't like, just like every other time they've brought up the budget since 2009.  l believe the GOP is serious about the budget when they include cuts to defense and/or tax increases on anyone but poor people

Disaster relief should be one thing that we just pay for because we need to help our citizens.


Look man, you don't just come into a thread when it's halfway over and state a logical proposition. You need to read half of it, pick a target, and respond angrily if you're going to get any traction around here.
 
2013-05-21 09:28:43 AM  

Tigger: The GOP is a terrorist organisation. Support for them is treason.


Having a different viewpoint isn't treason, and supporting that viewpoint isn't treason.  They just have a shiat-balls retarded view of what this country should be.
 
2013-05-21 09:29:13 AM  
This is what conservatives actually believe.
 
2013-05-21 09:32:13 AM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: You're fired.


Too told a reference? Should I have gone with something more topical?

/Gangnamghazi style
 
2013-05-21 09:35:04 AM  

Zasteva: skullkrusher: Satanic_Hamster: Fine.  I'm sure we can find budget cuts of Federal spending in Oklahoma to compensate.

yeah! Fark those poor and needy in OK! That'll show Coburn!

This is why you people aren't nearly as wise or compassionate as you like to tell each other you are.

I don't know who the "you people" you are referring to is here. But taking the cuts from Oklahoma is a terrible idea -- the only thing thing "good" about it is that it would be so unpopular that it likely wouldn't happen.

The whole point of making disaster aid a federal program is it spreads the cost as widely as possible, just like insurance. Other terrible ideas: offsetting the cost by budget cuts elsewhere, refusing to provide federal disaster aid, eliminating FEMA, and making states run their own disaster aid programs.


Given that the governor of Oklahoma is willing to lose federal funding because she doesn't want to conform to Obamacare, I assume that things like federal insurance programs are just "not bootstrappy enough". It's MUCH better to wait for a disaster to happen and then get bailed out by the rest the country (who are already subsidizing your state)...and then turn around and claim that the states you are leeching off of are the real leeches.
 
2013-05-21 09:38:08 AM  

skullkrusher: 47% of voters voted for someone else in the last Senate election in OK.


He won 71% of the vote in 2010.
You are quoting the 2004 results.
Furthermore, his biggest area of support has been in the OKC metro area.
 
2013-05-21 09:41:04 AM  
...And I should read the whole thread next time instead of just seeing if you had already been quoted.
 
2013-05-21 09:41:16 AM  
Secretly dating this woman.

www.tfmetalsreport.com
 
2013-05-21 09:41:52 AM  
... and then there's all those videos of teachers' and public safety union thugs out there being heroes....
It's enough to drive a TEA-bagger sane. (Not actually.)
 
2013-05-21 09:46:23 AM  
The stupid hicks of that state will still reelect him with an overwhelming majority.
 
2013-05-21 09:50:32 AM  
Way to stick it to Obama!

I'm sure your constituents will appreciate your integrity and moral backbone from their tent next to the ditch. That will get you re elected!

Oh youre retiring in two years?

DIAF!
 
2013-05-21 09:51:07 AM  

Despair of the Cheese: Hooray for Cantor version 2.0. How do these utter wastes of space keep getting elected?


For the same reason "small government" conservatives were elected in the 1790s. People don't want the government helping black people.
 
2013-05-21 09:52:31 AM  
.....and yet the people of his state will still overwhelmingly vote Republican, even though Republicans don't give a fark about them, their property, their pets, their livelihoods, nothing.

So really, they get the representation they deserve.  Vote for garbage, you'll get treated like garbage.  Remember that as you rebuild your house and await the next tornado to blow through and knock it to the ground.
 
2013-05-21 09:55:09 AM  

Wendy's Chili: Despair of the Cheese: Hooray for Cantor version 2.0. How do these utter wastes of space keep getting elected?

For the same reason "small government" conservatives were elected in the 1790s. People don't want the government helping black people.


Hey hey hey heyheyhey - don't mention the founders being hypocritical slave owners. Real America doesn't like that.

/unless you meant 1990s
//in which case replace founders with republicans
///pat buchanan didn't help
 
2013-05-21 09:57:21 AM  
Well you elected this guy.  Enjoy.
 
2013-05-21 10:11:09 AM  
If you're a Republican in 2013, there's something wrong with you.

I don't care how the people of Oklahoma vote. They need our help right now, and we need to give them that help. Argue about the budget and spending and taxes some other time.
 
2013-05-21 10:20:28 AM  

The Why Not Guy: If you're a Republican in 2013, there's something wrong with you.

I don't care how the people of Oklahoma vote.


It seems you do.They vote Republican. Heavily. As in, to the point of singularity.
 
2013-05-21 10:21:51 AM  
I plan to send Oklahomans a set of bootstraps to help them recover from the disaster.
 
2013-05-21 10:22:14 AM  
These tornadoes wouldn't have happened if they put jesus back in the hearts of oklahomans. It's god's judgement for them being backwoods farknuts...

/could barely do that with a straight face
 
2013-05-21 10:25:21 AM  
Here's a fun Twitter game:

Let's name some budget items that Sen. Coburn can cut so his constituents can get disaster aid.

Use the hashtag #Coburnscuts


/tweet it out
//or tout, if you're Michael Cole
 
2013-05-21 10:25:28 AM  

Spaz-master: skullkrusher: Spaz-master: skullkrusher:

maybe they saw how fun scandalizin' was and want to find one of their very own.
Coburn spokesman asked a question about disaster aid. Spokesman says that Coburn's position is that disaster aid should be offset by cuts elsewhere. ZOMG WHY DOES HE WANT TO LEAVE CHILDREN BURIED IN THE RUBBBBBBBLES?!

THIS

Coburn is a shiatbag but my my my the Fark left is particularly frothy these days

Exactly.
They are wasting some unresolved anger on something like this.  Perhaps the scandal rumours have caused more butthurt than previously known.


Nah, we're just tired of people like you that say "OMG BARTFONGO SCANDEL~!" and yet when the truth comes out, guys like you slink away and hide until the next "scandal" involving the President is made up.

Also: GOP approval rating hits all-time low.

So, do go ahead and keep farking that chicken, eh?
 
2013-05-21 10:27:07 AM  

Target Builder: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist:

Because when you're holding the broken body of your dead child, the only thing that can offset that grief is knowing that the firefighter, who pulled little Timmy out of the school, was paid for with monies earmarked for poor brown people.

Nobody is going to get their earmarks cut. There are 99 other Senators and most of them will vote to pass whatever funding bill reaches them, which will almost certainly be a clean bill. This is just Coburn being a jackass trying to have his cake and eat it with regards to disaster spending when he should be trying to do something productive or supportive for his constituents.


Keep in mind, Senate GOP was almost unanimous in opposition to Sandy Relief.
 
2013-05-21 10:27:59 AM  
The FARK headline is inaccurate.  It's more like, "While my constituents are receiving aid, I'm gonna cancel stuff for other people elsewhere in the budget."

Meanwhile, the best information comes from the British weather service because we defunded ours.
 
2013-05-21 10:28:44 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Here's a fun Twitter game:

Let's name some budget items that Sen. Coburn can cut so his constituents can get disaster aid.

Use the hashtag #Coburnscuts


/tweet it out
//or tout, if you're Michael Cole


Download the CoburnCuts app!
 
2013-05-21 10:30:25 AM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: That being said, I do not approve of punishing people for the sin of voting Republican, nor do I like the idea that our already weak social contact will be further degraded to pay for this tragedy, further compounding our tragedy. It's a kind of sick perpetual sadness machine Coburn is attempting to construct in service to some numbers on a ledger.
He's bad, and the people that vote for such ideas are stupid, but helping stupid people without being dicks about it is something you should really strive to do, although I understand the temptation to rub noses in poo a little. But come on, a lot of these people had their homes striped to the foundation.


Agreed; I wouldn't take it out on the people of OK anyway.  However, I'll gladly point out on the record the hypocrisy of people like Tom Coburn who'll gladly play politics with Sandy but will say "DON'T YOU DARE PLAY POLITICS WITH THE PEOPLE OF OKLAHOMA~!"

I wouldn't think twice to help out Oklahoma but I'll gladly embarrass people like him.
 
2013-05-21 10:31:33 AM  

RexTalionis: I just want to note that in 2013, when the Disaster Relief Appropriations Act, which was created to help the victims of Hurricane Sandy, was up for a vote in the Senate, he voted against it:

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote _c fm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00004


There ya go:  Hypocrisy on the record for all to see.
 
2013-05-21 10:33:39 AM  

Rwa2play: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: That being said, I do not approve of punishing people for the sin of voting Republican, nor do I like the idea that our already weak social contact will be further degraded to pay for this tragedy, further compounding our tragedy. It's a kind of sick perpetual sadness machine Coburn is attempting to construct in service to some numbers on a ledger.
He's bad, and the people that vote for such ideas are stupid, but helping stupid people without being dicks about it is something you should really strive to do, although I understand the temptation to rub noses in poo a little. But come on, a lot of these people had their homes striped to the foundation.

Agreed; I wouldn't take it out on the people of OK anyway.  However, I'll gladly point out on the record the hypocrisy of people like Tom Coburn who'll gladly play politics with Sandy but will say "DON'T YOU DARE PLAY POLITICS WITH THE PEOPLE OF OKLAHOMA~!"

I wouldn't think twice to help out Oklahoma but I'll gladly embarrass people like him.


Actually Coburn is playing politics with Oklahoma. That's the topic of this thread.
 
2013-05-21 10:34:14 AM  
I'll translate what Senator Coburn means:

We should give millions in disaster aid to Oklahoma, but only if use that emergency aid as an excuse forcutting programs thatbenefit the poor and minorities.
 
2013-05-21 10:34:34 AM  

Rwa2play: RexTalionis: I just want to note that in 2013, when the Disaster Relief Appropriations Act, which was created to help the victims of Hurricane Sandy, was up for a vote in the Senate, he voted against it:

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote _c fm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00004

There ya go:  Hypocrisy on the record for all to see.


He always refuses to aid anyone without a budget cut, and that sadly extends to his own people.  the hypocrisy is in his votes for pork projects and needless subsidies to defense and big oil.
 
2013-05-21 10:36:32 AM  
Also, if the tea party types in Oklahoma consider the federal government "oppressive tyranny," and want to "live free or die," then they're being pretty disingenuous by accepting federal aid rather than pulling themselves up by their bootstraps.

My point is - the tea party only seems to think the government is a good thing when it directly benefits its members.
 
2013-05-21 10:39:04 AM  
I just hope these comments make  Oklahomans wake up and start elected Democrats
 
2013-05-21 10:40:07 AM  
The FEMA Disaster Relief Fund already has a budget of $6 billion for fiscal year 2013. This is money that is already on the books. What Senator Coburn is doing is holding his own suffering constituents hostage in order to ram through unrelated spending cuts. I will leave it as an exercise for the reader to determine what this says about Coburn's character and what kind of a human being he is.
 
2013-05-21 10:41:18 AM  
Does this mean that Coburn is going to get primaried for being a dick?

Can one hope that something good might come out of this tornado?
 
2013-05-21 10:41:45 AM  

verbaltoxin: Rwa2play: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: That being said, I do not approve of punishing people for the sin of voting Republican, nor do I like the idea that our already weak social contact will be further degraded to pay for this tragedy, further compounding our tragedy. It's a kind of sick perpetual sadness machine Coburn is attempting to construct in service to some numbers on a ledger.
He's bad, and the people that vote for such ideas are stupid, but helping stupid people without being dicks about it is something you should really strive to do, although I understand the temptation to rub noses in poo a little. But come on, a lot of these people had their homes striped to the foundation.

Agreed; I wouldn't take it out on the people of OK anyway.  However, I'll gladly point out on the record the hypocrisy of people like Tom Coburn who'll gladly play politics with Sandy but will say "DON'T YOU DARE PLAY POLITICS WITH THE PEOPLE OF OKLAHOMA~!"

I wouldn't think twice to help out Oklahoma but I'll gladly embarrass people like him.

Actually Coburn is playing politics with Oklahoma. That's the topic of this thread.


I understand that, that's why I made it more of a generalization (or at least I tried to).
 
2013-05-21 10:42:49 AM  

Rwa2play: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: That being said, I do not approve of punishing people for the sin of voting Republican, nor do I like the idea that our already weak social contact will be further degraded to pay for this tragedy, further compounding our tragedy. It's a kind of sick perpetual sadness machine Coburn is attempting to construct in service to some numbers on a ledger.
He's bad, and the people that vote for such ideas are stupid, but helping stupid people without being dicks about it is something you should really strive to do, although I understand the temptation to rub noses in poo a little. But come on, a lot of these people had their homes striped to the foundation.

Agreed; I wouldn't take it out on the people of OK anyway.  However, I'll gladly point out on the record the hypocrisy of people like Tom Coburn who'll gladly play politics with Sandy but will say "DON'T YOU DARE PLAY POLITICS WITH THE PEOPLE OF OKLAHOMA~!"

I wouldn't think twice to help out Oklahoma but I'll gladly embarrass people like him.



Yeah, I'd just like to add that while we're understandably having a pity party for the people of Oklahoma, they voted this clown in because THEY BELIEVE THAT SHIAT, TOO. They're the same people who were rallying behind him when he did this to the people of NJ. So...yeah.
 
2013-05-21 10:42:57 AM  

meat0918: Does this mean that Coburn is going to get primaried for being a dick?

Can one hope that something good might come out of this tornado?


Nah, that SOB already said he wouldn't run for another term.  That being said, this wouldn't come out of his yap had he been running for another term.
 
2013-05-21 10:43:16 AM  

Chummer45: Also, if the tea party types in Oklahoma consider the federal government "oppressive tyranny," and want to "live free or die," then they're being pretty disingenuous by accepting federal aid rather than pulling themselves up by their bootstraps.

My point is - the tea party only seems to think the government is a good thing when it directly benefits its members.


The bolded part is what they are full-time. It's ignorance. People don't understand how government works, so they assume anything bad is the government's fault, and it should be cut down and done away with like some nuisance. And then a tornado, hurricane, blizzard or oil spill happens.

We've only been through this what, four or five times in as many years and we're still discussing this?
 
2013-05-21 10:43:33 AM  
i.qkme.me
 
2013-05-21 10:44:23 AM  
If he wasn't retiring he'd be screaming for federal aid so loud he'd get a "keep it down" email from nuclear test sites.

No matter what the first rule of politics is "Re-elected at all costs" and even Oklahomans would remember their U.S. Senator essentially saying "Oh, your town got obliterated? I'll sell you this extra-large bag of dicks, because I'm too afraid of Grover Norquist to do my job. If you have another kid to replace the one that died be sure to save up to send it to a private school with a better tornado shelter."
 
2013-05-21 10:44:23 AM  

Epoch_Zero: It seems you do.They vote Republican. Heavily. As in, to the point of singularity.


Uh, you seem to have missed the part where I said "they need our help and we need to give them that help" regardless of how they vote or who they elect to office. I can't say it any clearer.
 
2013-05-21 10:46:19 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Yeah, I'd just like to add that while we're understandably having a pity party for the people of Oklahoma, they voted this clown in because THEY BELIEVE THAT SHIAT, TOO. They're the same people who were rallying behind him when he did this to the people of NJ. So...yeah.


Yeah, but you know what? None of that matters right now. Give them the help they need, and later on I can laugh about how this gay atheist Liberal is a better Christian then they are. But right now they need our help.
 
2013-05-21 10:47:19 AM  

seventypercent: The FEMA Disaster Relief Fund already has a budget of $6 billion for fiscal year 2013. This is money that is already on the books. What Senator Coburn is doing is holding his own suffering constituents hostage in order to ram through unrelated spending cuts. I will leave it as an exercise for the reader to determine what this says about Coburn's character and what kind of a human being he is.



I, for one, would like to thank Coburn for at least being intellectually consistent.  The GOP is trying to leverage everything under the sun to force through spending cuts, consequences be damned.  At least now it may hurt GOP voters, and not just the usual targets of poor "urban" folks.  Who knows? Maybe this will make GOP voters wake up and realize that the GOP's hostage taking is neither responsible governance nor coherent public policy.

But I'm probably being too optimistic.
 
2013-05-21 10:48:07 AM  
I don't see the problem here.  Well, I do.  He's an asshole.  But he's doing what he was elected to do, regardless of personal impact.  I assume that the people of his state wanted someone who would vote no on any disaster relief until it was paid for, such as the storms in the northeast.  After all they voted for him.  In which case he's doing exactly what the people wanted when they voted for him.

Maybe in the future they won't be so retarded.  Or maybe they will be and they'll vote for another guy like this, in which case I hope he sticks to his guns again.
 
2013-05-21 10:49:17 AM  

KellyX: I just hope these comments make  Oklahomans wake up and start elected Democrats


I'm in stitches over here.

Joplin was a solidly red area before the tornado struck and still is a solidly red area after the tornado struck.

As long as people in that part of the country think that the GOP is the party of Jesus, people will still vote Republican.
 
2013-05-21 10:51:10 AM  

Mrtraveler01: KellyX: I just hope these comments make  Oklahomans wake up and start elected Democrats

I'm in stitches over here.

Joplin was a solidly red area before the tornado struck and still is a solidly red area after the tornado struck.

As long as people in that part of the country think that the GOP is the party of Jesus, people will still vote Republican.


Apparently Jesus keeps teaching them a lesson, but there is some debate over exactly what it is.
 
2013-05-21 10:51:20 AM  

Mrtraveler01: KellyX: I just hope these comments make  Oklahomans wake up and start elected Democrats

I'm in stitches over here.

Joplin was a solidly red area before the tornado struck and still is a solidly red area after the tornado struck.

As long as people in that part of the country think that the GOP is the party of Jesus, people will still vote Republican.



Yup.  They'll attribute bad things that happen as an act of God, or the Democrats' fault.  OK is crazy conservative/authoritarian, and there is no way in hell it will turn blue any time soon.
 
2013-05-21 10:51:26 AM  

Chummer45: I'll translate what Senator Coburn means:

We should give millions in disaster aid to Oklahoma, but only if use that emergency aid as an excuse forcutting programs thatbenefit the poor and minorities.


THIS!

It's pretty sad when the GOP treats a disaster as another excuse to cut programs that don't like.

Because we know that they don't want to off set those cuts with cuts in Defense spending.

At least Coburn is consistent when it comes to being an asshole.
 
2013-05-21 10:52:01 AM  

Mrtraveler01: KellyX: I just hope these comments make  Oklahomans wake up and start elected Democrats

I'm in stitches over here.

Joplin was a solidly red area before the tornado struck and still is a solidly red area after the tornado struck.

As long as people in that part of the country think that the GOP is the party of Jesus, people will still vote Republican.


And Texas after Perry cut services for fighting fires while the state was on fire.
 
2013-05-21 10:52:35 AM  
Well, I don't mean to sound callous, but why should they get any tax money? They knew what they were getting into when they foolishly chose to live in that region. It's not like nobody could see an inevitable storm tearing those flimsy, cheaply constructed buildings apart, and their houses are put right in front of danger, what the hell did they expect?


Oh, crap, my bad! I had my computer set on "Conservative Reactions to Katrina Victims" for a moment there. Isn't it strange how it was so easy to be crass to those victims? I wonder why.
 
2013-05-21 10:53:41 AM  

EyeballKid: Well, I don't mean to sound callous, but why should they get any tax money? They knew what they were getting into when they foolishly chose to live in that region. It's not like nobody could see an inevitable storm tearing those flimsy, cheaply constructed buildings apart, and their houses are put right in front of danger, what the hell did they expect?


Oh, crap, my bad! I had my computer set on "Conservative Reactions to Katrina Victims" for a moment there. Isn't it strange how it was so easy to be crass to those victims? I wonder why.


I know, right?
 
2013-05-21 10:55:30 AM  

EyeballKid: Well, I don't mean to sound callous, but why should they get any tax money? They knew what they were getting into when they foolishly chose to live in that region. It's not like nobody could see an inevitable storm tearing those flimsy, cheaply constructed buildings apart, and their houses are put right in front of danger, what the hell did they expect?


Oh, crap, my bad! I had my computer set on "Conservative Reactions to Katrina Victims" for a moment there. Isn't it strange how it was so easy to be crass to those victims? I wonder why.


Well, we know it's not racism, because we have a black president now, and therefore racism doesn't exist any more.
 
2013-05-21 10:56:07 AM  
Grand_Moff_Joseph:

Keep in mind, Senate GOP was almost unanimous in opposition to Sandy Relief.

True, but lots of them are from states in Tornado Alley and I don't think the Democrats are going to be assholes about this. All the GOP need to do is skip the filibuster and they'll be fine.
 
2013-05-21 10:58:34 AM  

Target Builder: Grand_Moff_Joseph:

Keep in mind, Senate GOP was almost unanimous in opposition to Sandy Relief.

True, but lots of them are from states in Tornado Alley and I don't think the Democrats are going to be assholes about this. All the GOP need to do is skip the filibuster and they'll be fine.


Oh, I wanna see this...

Don't think Cantor will filibuster this, but Boehner? Gohmert?  Oh, I want to watch CSPAN when this happens.

/gets popcorn
 
2013-05-21 10:58:46 AM  
Surprise surprise
 
2013-05-21 11:02:01 AM  

Rwa2play: Oh, I wanna see this...

Don't think Cantor will filibuster this, but Boehner? Gohmert? Oh, I want to watch CSPAN when this happens.

/gets popcorn



i.i.com.com
"Did somebody say 'filibuster?' Free TV time, here I come! Paul in '16!...Uh, I mean, I come today because I'm very concerned..."
 
2013-05-21 11:10:17 AM  
Everybody in this thread is missing the real point. The real point here is that Coburn and his gang of fools don't save for a rainy day, and don't set aside money, and therefore, when they get in a crunch, they decide that they will cut from other places in the budget, whether that is budget that is going to OK, or some other region, they don't care.

But the point is, it's the exact opposite of all the moralizing they do: they don't have a plan, they just make shiat up as they go along and the rest of us pay the price.
 
2013-05-21 11:15:22 AM  
I await news that House Republicans have tied a repeal of the Affordable Care Act to an Oklahoma recovery bill, so that they can guarantee its failure, which they will then blame on Democrats.
 
2013-05-21 11:16:30 AM  

MachineHead: Everybody in this thread is missing the real point. The real point here is that Coburn and his gang of fools don't save for a rainy day, and don't set aside money, and therefore, when they get in a crunch, they decide that they will cut from other places in the budget, whether that is budget that is going to OK, or some other region, they don't care.

But the point is, it's the exact opposite of all the moralizing they do: they don't have a plan, they just make shiat up as they go along and the rest of us pay the price.


I think you're missing the point: the government does have a budget for emergencies and disasters. It has a whole department for it. But Coburn wants to make cuts anyway because f*ck liberals.
 
2013-05-21 11:18:31 AM  

Rwa2play: Target Builder: Grand_Moff_Joseph:

Keep in mind, Senate GOP was almost unanimous in opposition to Sandy Relief.

True, but lots of them are from states in Tornado Alley and I don't think the Democrats are going to be assholes about this. All the GOP need to do is skip the filibuster and they'll be fine.

Oh, I wanna see this...

Don't think Cantor will filibuster this, but Boehner? Gohmert?  Oh, I want to watch CSPAN when this happens.

/gets popcorn


Neither Cantor, Boehner, nor Gohmert are in the Senate. As such, they cannot filibuster anything.
 
2013-05-21 11:30:00 AM  

MachineHead: Everybody in this thread is missing the real point. The real point here is that Coburn and his gang of fools don't save for a rainy day, and don't set aside money, and therefore, when they get in a crunch, they decide that they will cut from other places in the budget, whether that is budget that is going to OK, or some other region, they don't care.

But the point is, it's the exact opposite of all the moralizing they do: they don't have a plan, they just make shiat up as they go along and the rest of us pay the price.


When a house is on fire, instead of using the large pool next to them as an immediate source of water, they would rather use the bird bath five houses down to put out the fire.
 
2013-05-21 11:37:40 AM  
Meh. Oklahoma can go fark themselves. They TWICE voted for this guy to represent their interests after all. I say they should just pray more, and let the invisible hand of the market and private charities take over.
 
2013-05-21 11:55:32 AM  
He's a piece of shiat, but at least he's consistently a piece of shiat.
 
2013-05-21 12:06:50 PM  
I was wondering who would be the first republican sh*tsack to deny aid to these people. All that's left of my predictions is to see the WBC show up with their usual van full of signs.
 
2013-05-21 12:06:50 PM  

Johnny Swank: Meh. Oklahoma can go fark themselves. They TWICE voted for this guy to represent their interests after all. I say they should just pray more, and let the invisible hand of the market and private charities take over.


You sound Conservative.
 
2013-05-21 12:07:19 PM  
How about no disaster aid for OK,  you guys voted against Sandy relief aid, so now you guys can go DIAF (or tornado)
 
2013-05-21 12:16:25 PM  
One should consider that the following voted against even the portion of Sandy relief that was just for the National Flood Insurance payment portion. This was just the portion of the bill that would allow the people who had flood insurance to actually get paid.

Jim Bridenstine (R-OK)
Markwayne Mullin (R-OK)


However as FDR put it one should not argue with your neighbor over the price of a garden hose when his house is on fire.
 
2013-05-21 12:35:04 PM  

verbaltoxin: MachineHead: Everybody in this thread is missing the real point. The real point here is that Coburn and his gang of fools don't save for a rainy day, and don't set aside money, and therefore, when they get in a crunch, they decide that they will cut from other places in the budget, whether that is budget that is going to OK, or some other region, they don't care.

But the point is, it's the exact opposite of all the moralizing they do: they don't have a plan, they just make shiat up as they go along and the rest of us pay the price.

I think you're missing the point: the government does have a budget for emergencies and disasters. It has a whole department for it. But Coburn wants to make cuts anyway because f*ck liberals.


I think I am missing the point. There is no end to the stupidity that is Republican politics.
 
2013-05-21 12:49:55 PM  
Well, at least he's not a hypocrite, that's more than you can say for...

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Yet he had no problems trying to strip nearly all disaster aid from the East Coast last year.  Pathetic douchebag.


/submitted to News tab, just for the extra exposure potential
//one of the few times that's called for, imo


...I stand corrected. Just a douchebag. How disappointing.

/Not  surprising, but disappointing.
 
2013-05-21 12:57:15 PM  
See, I disagree with those saying OK shouldn't get a dime because of their reps past stinginess when it came to Sandy...

I say give them everything they're asking for and more. Make sure they all know where it's coming from, too, especially those who voted for Senator shiat Heel here.
 
2013-05-21 01:05:53 PM  
Do elections have consequences?
 
2013-05-21 01:06:31 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Rwa2play: RexTalionis: I just want to note that in 2013, when the Disaster Relief Appropriations Act, which was created to help the victims of Hurricane Sandy, was up for a vote in the Senate, he voted against it:

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote _c fm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00004

There ya go:  Hypocrisy on the record for all to see.

He always refuses to aid anyone without a budget cut, and that sadly extends to his own people.  the hypocrisy is in his votes for pork projects and needless subsidies to defense and big oil.


That's a good point.  Maybe the offsetting cuts should come to pork that benefits Oklahomans.
 
2013-05-21 01:23:43 PM  

BrotherThaddeus: Administration should offer the cuts the pentagon wants as the offsets, but nothing else.


I kind of like that, but another counter-proposal I'd also like a to see would be a disaster aid bill that includes an official censure of Coburn in it.
 
2013-05-21 01:23:59 PM  

Job Creator: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Rwa2play: RexTalionis: I just want to note that in 2013, when the Disaster Relief Appropriations Act, which was created to help the victims of Hurricane Sandy, was up for a vote in the Senate, he voted against it:

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote _c fm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00004

There ya go:  Hypocrisy on the record for all to see.

He always refuses to aid anyone without a budget cut, and that sadly extends to his own people.  the hypocrisy is in his votes for pork projects and needless subsidies to defense and big oil.

That's a good point.  Maybe the offsetting cuts should come to pork that benefits Oklahomans.


Ding!  Ergo, my creation of the #Coburnscuts hashtag this morning.
 
2013-05-21 01:25:41 PM  
He has promised not to seek a third term, so he doesn't give a f*ck.
Wonder how those people in Oklahoma who elected him for that second term feel now... I'm sure some of them were in those areas of the state that got ripped a new asshole yesterday...
If there was some way these tornadoes could just smack the people who voted for this douche and leave those who didn't alone...
 
2013-05-21 01:27:31 PM  
Okay... Pretty straight forward:

Go Here

Cancel it all. Frees up a little over 200 million. Use that for rebuilding. Any more and we'll see what else we can gut. If you don't need that much, well - you can pick and choose.
 
2013-05-21 01:27:45 PM  

skullkrusher: one man's windmill is another man's concept that you apparently aren't bright enough to grasp


Nice work, coming back with an insult to the intelligence. Aren't you just a peach.

But please, don't let me stop you from trying to show everyone how much smarter than us you are.
 
2013-05-21 01:36:11 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Job Creator: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Rwa2play: RexTalionis: I just want to note that in 2013, when the Disaster Relief Appropriations Act, which was created to help the victims of Hurricane Sandy, was up for a vote in the Senate, he voted against it:

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote _c fm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00004

There ya go:  Hypocrisy on the record for all to see.

He always refuses to aid anyone without a budget cut, and that sadly extends to his own people.  the hypocrisy is in his votes for pork projects and needless subsidies to defense and big oil.

That's a good point.  Maybe the offsetting cuts should come to pork that benefits Oklahomans.

Ding!  Ergo, my creation of the #Coburnscuts hashtag this morning.


Yep, I'm down with that.  Since he wants cuts, fine; offset them by cutting the pork and defense spending to his state.
 
2013-05-21 01:37:50 PM  

EyeballKid: Well, I don't mean to sound callous, but why should they get any tax money? They knew what they were getting into when they foolishly chose to live in that region. It's not like nobody could see an inevitable storm tearing those flimsy, cheaply constructed buildings apart, and their houses are put right in front of danger, what the hell did they expect?


Oh, crap, my bad! I had my computer set on "Conservative Reactions to Katrina Victims" for a moment there. Isn't it strange how it was so easy to be crass to those victims? I wonder why.


Because we're Yankees that hate the baby Jesus and pay lots more taxes than they do.
 
2013-05-21 01:45:08 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: This is the mindset of today's GOP.  Millions of dollars towards useless gestures like voting to repeal Obamacare, billions of dollars fo outdated and unused military programs, but for AMERICANS that really need help?  Fark them.

And this guy is even FROM Oklahoma?  What a farking piece of shiat.


Well, he has to, really - otherwise, he'd look like a single-minded hypocritical git given his need to slash disaster aid to other states. And it's not like he has anything to lose, as the article points out - he can happily carry water for the GOP's "fark you, got mine" message until 2016, when he retires with a nice fat pension, lots of speaking gigs & promotions, and a smug sense of self-satisfaction that, although he tried to screw his own constituents, he kept the people he thought were important happy.
 
2013-05-21 01:46:56 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: skullkrusher: one man's windmill is another man's concept that you apparently aren't bright enough to grasp

Nice work, coming back with an insult to the intelligence. Aren't you just a peach.

But please, don't let me stop you from trying to show everyone how much smarter than us you are.


awww, insult in response to an insult and now someone's feelings are hurt.
 
2013-05-21 02:00:18 PM  
Actually, I happen to agree with Senator Coburn.   I believe the federal government should immediately shut down this place, which will more than adequately cover for the expenses of tornado clean up...

Then this place can go away
 
2013-05-21 02:02:16 PM  
The Christian thing to do would be to get the aid to the people that need it.

The American thing to do would be to get the aid to the people that need it.

The right thing to do would be to get the aid to the people that need it.

/please feel free to point out how the above statements are incorrect.  We're waiting.
 
2013-05-21 02:23:29 PM  

chuggernaught: The Christian thing to do would be to get the aid to the people that need it.

The American thing to do would be to get the aid to the people that need it.

The right thing to do would be to get the aid to the people that need it.

/please feel free to point out how the above statements are incorrect.  We're waiting.


And in no way did the statements of the Senator's office differ. He simply said to secure payment options.  How dare he.
 
2013-05-21 02:29:02 PM  

DeaH: Somehow, I don't think the people who voted for him are going to like this. Of course, he's retiring, and I bet with a lot more money than when he joined congress.


And these same voters will choose another douchbag to replace him. So it goes.

/gummint to big an don't work.
//here, let me prove it
 
2013-05-21 02:31:40 PM  
What the fark is wrong with him?
 
2013-05-21 02:36:05 PM  

TV's Vinnie: I was wondering who would be the first republican sh*tsack to deny aid to these people. All that's left of my predictions is to see the WBC show up with their usual van full of signs.


Yup, I'm hoping for a good WBC turnout at the mass funerals. Republicans are so great!
 
2013-05-21 02:49:02 PM  
Tune in tomorrow when Tom Coburn's approval rating sinks to unprecedented depths...
 
2013-05-21 03:03:27 PM  

skullkrusher: Satanic_Hamster: Fine.  I'm sure we can find budget cuts of Federal spending in Oklahoma to compensate.

yeah! Fark those poor and needy in OK! That'll show Coburn!

This is why you people aren't nearly as wise or compassionate as you like to tell each other you are.


As opposed to farking over the poor and needy everywhere else, which is what Coburn is likely aiming to do?

Or, as someone else above mentioned...how about we kill off some defense spending contracts in Oklahoma to pay for it?

Disasters like this are what deficit and discretionary spending are meant for.  Sorry you can't see past the politics of it.
 
2013-05-21 03:10:52 PM  

Dog Welder: As opposed to farking over the poor and needy everywhere else, which is what Coburn is likely aiming to do?


no, that's a bad thing. Just as cutting funding to his state to show them Okies is bad. Why is it that people think it is effective to decry someone and then in the very next breath engage in extremely similar thinking with the "lol he did it first"? Seriously, are you people 10 farking years old? Coburn pulled your hair so you're gonna pinch him?

Dog Welder: Or, as someone else above mentioned...how about we kill off some defense spending contracts in Oklahoma to pay for it?


sounds good to me. Or just defense spending in general. Why must it be localized to Oklahoma because their senator happens to be a cockbag? Oh, right. Because the people who don't think that way are just collateral damage. Brilliant. See above.

Dog Welder: Disasters like this are what deficit and discretionary spending are meant for. Sorry you can't see past the politics of it.


I've seen past he politics of it a long time ago. My observation that Fark is filled with terrible people has nothing to do with the politics of it.
 
2013-05-21 03:54:25 PM  

skullkrusher: Dog Welder: As opposed to farking over the poor and needy everywhere else, which is what Coburn is likely aiming to do?

no, that's a bad thing. Just as cutting funding to his state to show them Okies is bad. Why is it that people think it is effective to decry someone and then in the very next breath engage in extremely similar thinking with the "lol he did it first"? Seriously, are you people 10 farking years old? Coburn pulled your hair so you're gonna pinch him?

Dog Welder: Or, as someone else above mentioned...how about we kill off some defense spending contracts in Oklahoma to pay for it?

sounds good to me. Or just defense spending in general. Why must it be localized to Oklahoma because their senator happens to be a cockbag? Oh, right. Because the people who don't think that way are just collateral damage. Brilliant. See above.

Dog Welder: Disasters like this are what deficit and discretionary spending are meant for. Sorry you can't see past the politics of it.

I've seen past he politics of it a long time ago. My observation that Fark is filled with terrible people has nothing to do with the politics of it.


I think the point of the assertion is that:

1) Coburn is a major cockbag.
2) If he wants to offset the costs of the benefits of other states to fund HIS state, he should look at his state's spending first.
3) Of course, we know Coburn won't go for this because he's a major hypocrite, which is the farking point.  (Good on you for missing it.)

Or, as I've said repeatedly in this very thread, we could be adults about this and fund this through deficit and discretionary spending, like we have in the past for every other major disaster, which is the purpose of deficit and discretionary spending.
 
2013-05-21 04:06:24 PM  

Snarfangel: tbhouston: People too stupid to not have life insurance and tornado insurance shouldn't be bailed out by the government

I wonder how different the U.S. would look if it were federally mandated that every home and business have flood/fire/earthquake/tornado/hurricane/whatever insurance, with rates based on actual risk and replacement costs.

Quick, someone whip up a SimCity mod!


insurance mandates quit being popular some years ago
 
2013-05-21 04:19:10 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Spaz-master: HotWingConspiracy:

Do you also get angered when people point out that water is wet and that the sky is blue?  How heartless of them.

This probably sounded pretty clever in your head.

And I am sure you do in your head as well

Sick burn bro


He's from the Paul Reubens school of comebacks.
 
2013-05-21 05:15:04 PM  

Spaz-master: chuggernaught: The Christian thing to do would be to get the aid to the people that need it.

The American thing to do would be to get the aid to the people that need it.

The right thing to do would be to get the aid to the people that need it.

/please feel free to point out how the above statements are incorrect.  We're waiting.

And in no way did the statements of the Senator's office differ. He simply said to secure payment options.  How dare he.


So, we'll start by cutting all the pork/defense contracts from Sen. Coburn's many projects to pay for it.  Happy now?
 
2013-05-21 05:24:21 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: GoldSpider: Monkeyhouse Zendo: You might also want to acknowledge that what these horrible partisan democrats are proposing is that we give OK precisely what they've been demanding for the last three decades. The people of OK are not children and there is no reason that we should treat them as such.

On the other hand, this could be a teachable moment to the people of Oklahoma about the role and ability of the federal government in a limited crisis.  But considering they already receive $1.35 of funding for every dollar they contribute, perhaps my optimism is undue.

If the people of Oklahoma could be taught, they wouldn't live in f$cking Oklahoma.


As a libby lib liberal atheist living in Oklahoma who loves his ignorant ass fellow Oklahomans, go fark yourself. Also, if you don't understand how important the state of Oklahoma is to the Union then yer a frickin maroon.
Just read the damn wiki on the state and educate yourself FFS. For the record I don't like our politicians and I hope someday my state goes blue but I don't hate anybody with differing viewpoints and I certainly wouldn't deny them aid in order to score some sort of political point BS.

/go on hating though
//I love this state, wouldn't live anywhere else.
///Lotsa slashies
 
2013-05-21 06:24:52 PM  
Has Phil Hartman been reincarnated?

talkingpointsmemo.com

www.biography.com
 
2013-05-21 08:36:20 PM  

Spaz-master: chuggernaught: The Christian thing to do would be to get the aid to the people that need it.

The American thing to do would be to get the aid to the people that need it.

The right thing to do would be to get the aid to the people that need it.

/please feel free to point out how the above statements are incorrect.  We're waiting.

And in no way did the statements of the Senator's office differ. He simply said to secure payment options.  How dare he.


That's how you interpreted that? I interpreted his statements as "we won't provide aid until we secure payment options." You missed the extortive portion of his argument entirely.

It'd be one thing if he'd signed off on the aid, with the understanding that he'd be looking later for ways to recover the cost, but that's not what he did. He balked at signing off on aid, with the understanding that he wouldn't do so unless he received ways to recover the cost now.   The fun part? Take a look at the areas he's traditionally attacked when it comes tofunding.

The man has an agenda, and he's happy to push it by exploiting the suffering of his fellow citizens. There's really no other way to view his actions.
 
2013-05-22 12:56:42 AM  

Evil High Priest: TV's Vinnie: I was wondering who would be the first republican sh*tsack to deny aid to these people. All that's left of my predictions is to see the WBC show up with their usual van full of signs.

Yup, I'm hoping for a good WBC turnout at the mass funerals. Republicans are so great!


Aaaaand it looks like my predictions all become true. I must be a Wizard.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/21/westboro-oklahoma-tornado-_ n_ 3312712.html?utm_hp_ref=politics&ir=Politics
 
2013-05-22 02:11:48 PM  
I've been thinking about Mr. Coburn's position, and I've decided I'm fine with it on one condition. Those cuts must be on money headed to Oklahoma anyway for other programs. If he's truly trying to be be fiscally responsible he'll be fine with that restriction. But if he objects we'll know he's simply trying to cut spending for others while keeping his own slice of the pie, and I'm sure we'll all drop dead of shock.
 
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