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(Talking Points Memo)   OK Sen. Tom Coburn (R-heartless): No disaster aid for my constituents until budget cuts are made to compensate   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 289
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2013-05-21 11:30:00 AM

MachineHead: Everybody in this thread is missing the real point. The real point here is that Coburn and his gang of fools don't save for a rainy day, and don't set aside money, and therefore, when they get in a crunch, they decide that they will cut from other places in the budget, whether that is budget that is going to OK, or some other region, they don't care.

But the point is, it's the exact opposite of all the moralizing they do: they don't have a plan, they just make shiat up as they go along and the rest of us pay the price.


When a house is on fire, instead of using the large pool next to them as an immediate source of water, they would rather use the bird bath five houses down to put out the fire.
 
2013-05-21 11:37:40 AM
Meh. Oklahoma can go fark themselves. They TWICE voted for this guy to represent their interests after all. I say they should just pray more, and let the invisible hand of the market and private charities take over.
 
2013-05-21 11:55:32 AM
He's a piece of shiat, but at least he's consistently a piece of shiat.
 
2013-05-21 12:06:50 PM
I was wondering who would be the first republican sh*tsack to deny aid to these people. All that's left of my predictions is to see the WBC show up with their usual van full of signs.
 
2013-05-21 12:06:50 PM

Johnny Swank: Meh. Oklahoma can go fark themselves. They TWICE voted for this guy to represent their interests after all. I say they should just pray more, and let the invisible hand of the market and private charities take over.


You sound Conservative.
 
2013-05-21 12:07:19 PM
How about no disaster aid for OK,  you guys voted against Sandy relief aid, so now you guys can go DIAF (or tornado)
 
2013-05-21 12:16:25 PM
One should consider that the following voted against even the portion of Sandy relief that was just for the National Flood Insurance payment portion. This was just the portion of the bill that would allow the people who had flood insurance to actually get paid.

Jim Bridenstine (R-OK)
Markwayne Mullin (R-OK)


However as FDR put it one should not argue with your neighbor over the price of a garden hose when his house is on fire.
 
2013-05-21 12:35:04 PM

verbaltoxin: MachineHead: Everybody in this thread is missing the real point. The real point here is that Coburn and his gang of fools don't save for a rainy day, and don't set aside money, and therefore, when they get in a crunch, they decide that they will cut from other places in the budget, whether that is budget that is going to OK, or some other region, they don't care.

But the point is, it's the exact opposite of all the moralizing they do: they don't have a plan, they just make shiat up as they go along and the rest of us pay the price.

I think you're missing the point: the government does have a budget for emergencies and disasters. It has a whole department for it. But Coburn wants to make cuts anyway because f*ck liberals.


I think I am missing the point. There is no end to the stupidity that is Republican politics.
 
2013-05-21 12:49:55 PM
Well, at least he's not a hypocrite, that's more than you can say for...

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Yet he had no problems trying to strip nearly all disaster aid from the East Coast last year.  Pathetic douchebag.


/submitted to News tab, just for the extra exposure potential
//one of the few times that's called for, imo


...I stand corrected. Just a douchebag. How disappointing.

/Not  surprising, but disappointing.
 
2013-05-21 12:57:15 PM
See, I disagree with those saying OK shouldn't get a dime because of their reps past stinginess when it came to Sandy...

I say give them everything they're asking for and more. Make sure they all know where it's coming from, too, especially those who voted for Senator shiat Heel here.
 
2013-05-21 01:05:53 PM
Do elections have consequences?
 
2013-05-21 01:06:31 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Rwa2play: RexTalionis: I just want to note that in 2013, when the Disaster Relief Appropriations Act, which was created to help the victims of Hurricane Sandy, was up for a vote in the Senate, he voted against it:

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote _c fm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00004

There ya go:  Hypocrisy on the record for all to see.

He always refuses to aid anyone without a budget cut, and that sadly extends to his own people.  the hypocrisy is in his votes for pork projects and needless subsidies to defense and big oil.


That's a good point.  Maybe the offsetting cuts should come to pork that benefits Oklahomans.
 
2013-05-21 01:23:43 PM

BrotherThaddeus: Administration should offer the cuts the pentagon wants as the offsets, but nothing else.


I kind of like that, but another counter-proposal I'd also like a to see would be a disaster aid bill that includes an official censure of Coburn in it.
 
2013-05-21 01:23:59 PM

Job Creator: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Rwa2play: RexTalionis: I just want to note that in 2013, when the Disaster Relief Appropriations Act, which was created to help the victims of Hurricane Sandy, was up for a vote in the Senate, he voted against it:

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote _c fm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00004

There ya go:  Hypocrisy on the record for all to see.

He always refuses to aid anyone without a budget cut, and that sadly extends to his own people.  the hypocrisy is in his votes for pork projects and needless subsidies to defense and big oil.

That's a good point.  Maybe the offsetting cuts should come to pork that benefits Oklahomans.


Ding!  Ergo, my creation of the #Coburnscuts hashtag this morning.
 
2013-05-21 01:25:41 PM
He has promised not to seek a third term, so he doesn't give a f*ck.
Wonder how those people in Oklahoma who elected him for that second term feel now... I'm sure some of them were in those areas of the state that got ripped a new asshole yesterday...
If there was some way these tornadoes could just smack the people who voted for this douche and leave those who didn't alone...
 
2013-05-21 01:27:31 PM
Okay... Pretty straight forward:

Go Here

Cancel it all. Frees up a little over 200 million. Use that for rebuilding. Any more and we'll see what else we can gut. If you don't need that much, well - you can pick and choose.
 
2013-05-21 01:27:45 PM

skullkrusher: one man's windmill is another man's concept that you apparently aren't bright enough to grasp


Nice work, coming back with an insult to the intelligence. Aren't you just a peach.

But please, don't let me stop you from trying to show everyone how much smarter than us you are.
 
2013-05-21 01:36:11 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Job Creator: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Rwa2play: RexTalionis: I just want to note that in 2013, when the Disaster Relief Appropriations Act, which was created to help the victims of Hurricane Sandy, was up for a vote in the Senate, he voted against it:

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote _c fm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00004

There ya go:  Hypocrisy on the record for all to see.

He always refuses to aid anyone without a budget cut, and that sadly extends to his own people.  the hypocrisy is in his votes for pork projects and needless subsidies to defense and big oil.

That's a good point.  Maybe the offsetting cuts should come to pork that benefits Oklahomans.

Ding!  Ergo, my creation of the #Coburnscuts hashtag this morning.


Yep, I'm down with that.  Since he wants cuts, fine; offset them by cutting the pork and defense spending to his state.
 
2013-05-21 01:37:50 PM

EyeballKid: Well, I don't mean to sound callous, but why should they get any tax money? They knew what they were getting into when they foolishly chose to live in that region. It's not like nobody could see an inevitable storm tearing those flimsy, cheaply constructed buildings apart, and their houses are put right in front of danger, what the hell did they expect?


Oh, crap, my bad! I had my computer set on "Conservative Reactions to Katrina Victims" for a moment there. Isn't it strange how it was so easy to be crass to those victims? I wonder why.


Because we're Yankees that hate the baby Jesus and pay lots more taxes than they do.
 
2013-05-21 01:45:08 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: This is the mindset of today's GOP.  Millions of dollars towards useless gestures like voting to repeal Obamacare, billions of dollars fo outdated and unused military programs, but for AMERICANS that really need help?  Fark them.

And this guy is even FROM Oklahoma?  What a farking piece of shiat.


Well, he has to, really - otherwise, he'd look like a single-minded hypocritical git given his need to slash disaster aid to other states. And it's not like he has anything to lose, as the article points out - he can happily carry water for the GOP's "fark you, got mine" message until 2016, when he retires with a nice fat pension, lots of speaking gigs & promotions, and a smug sense of self-satisfaction that, although he tried to screw his own constituents, he kept the people he thought were important happy.
 
2013-05-21 01:46:56 PM

Zulu_as_Kono: skullkrusher: one man's windmill is another man's concept that you apparently aren't bright enough to grasp

Nice work, coming back with an insult to the intelligence. Aren't you just a peach.

But please, don't let me stop you from trying to show everyone how much smarter than us you are.


awww, insult in response to an insult and now someone's feelings are hurt.
 
2013-05-21 02:00:18 PM
Actually, I happen to agree with Senator Coburn.   I believe the federal government should immediately shut down this place, which will more than adequately cover for the expenses of tornado clean up...

Then this place can go away
 
2013-05-21 02:02:16 PM
The Christian thing to do would be to get the aid to the people that need it.

The American thing to do would be to get the aid to the people that need it.

The right thing to do would be to get the aid to the people that need it.

/please feel free to point out how the above statements are incorrect.  We're waiting.
 
2013-05-21 02:23:29 PM

chuggernaught: The Christian thing to do would be to get the aid to the people that need it.

The American thing to do would be to get the aid to the people that need it.

The right thing to do would be to get the aid to the people that need it.

/please feel free to point out how the above statements are incorrect.  We're waiting.


And in no way did the statements of the Senator's office differ. He simply said to secure payment options.  How dare he.
 
2013-05-21 02:29:02 PM

DeaH: Somehow, I don't think the people who voted for him are going to like this. Of course, he's retiring, and I bet with a lot more money than when he joined congress.


And these same voters will choose another douchbag to replace him. So it goes.

/gummint to big an don't work.
//here, let me prove it
 
2013-05-21 02:31:40 PM
What the fark is wrong with him?
 
2013-05-21 02:36:05 PM

TV's Vinnie: I was wondering who would be the first republican sh*tsack to deny aid to these people. All that's left of my predictions is to see the WBC show up with their usual van full of signs.


Yup, I'm hoping for a good WBC turnout at the mass funerals. Republicans are so great!
 
2013-05-21 02:49:02 PM
Tune in tomorrow when Tom Coburn's approval rating sinks to unprecedented depths...
 
2013-05-21 03:03:27 PM

skullkrusher: Satanic_Hamster: Fine.  I'm sure we can find budget cuts of Federal spending in Oklahoma to compensate.

yeah! Fark those poor and needy in OK! That'll show Coburn!

This is why you people aren't nearly as wise or compassionate as you like to tell each other you are.


As opposed to farking over the poor and needy everywhere else, which is what Coburn is likely aiming to do?

Or, as someone else above mentioned...how about we kill off some defense spending contracts in Oklahoma to pay for it?

Disasters like this are what deficit and discretionary spending are meant for.  Sorry you can't see past the politics of it.
 
2013-05-21 03:10:52 PM

Dog Welder: As opposed to farking over the poor and needy everywhere else, which is what Coburn is likely aiming to do?


no, that's a bad thing. Just as cutting funding to his state to show them Okies is bad. Why is it that people think it is effective to decry someone and then in the very next breath engage in extremely similar thinking with the "lol he did it first"? Seriously, are you people 10 farking years old? Coburn pulled your hair so you're gonna pinch him?

Dog Welder: Or, as someone else above mentioned...how about we kill off some defense spending contracts in Oklahoma to pay for it?


sounds good to me. Or just defense spending in general. Why must it be localized to Oklahoma because their senator happens to be a cockbag? Oh, right. Because the people who don't think that way are just collateral damage. Brilliant. See above.

Dog Welder: Disasters like this are what deficit and discretionary spending are meant for. Sorry you can't see past the politics of it.


I've seen past he politics of it a long time ago. My observation that Fark is filled with terrible people has nothing to do with the politics of it.
 
2013-05-21 03:54:25 PM

skullkrusher: Dog Welder: As opposed to farking over the poor and needy everywhere else, which is what Coburn is likely aiming to do?

no, that's a bad thing. Just as cutting funding to his state to show them Okies is bad. Why is it that people think it is effective to decry someone and then in the very next breath engage in extremely similar thinking with the "lol he did it first"? Seriously, are you people 10 farking years old? Coburn pulled your hair so you're gonna pinch him?

Dog Welder: Or, as someone else above mentioned...how about we kill off some defense spending contracts in Oklahoma to pay for it?

sounds good to me. Or just defense spending in general. Why must it be localized to Oklahoma because their senator happens to be a cockbag? Oh, right. Because the people who don't think that way are just collateral damage. Brilliant. See above.

Dog Welder: Disasters like this are what deficit and discretionary spending are meant for. Sorry you can't see past the politics of it.

I've seen past he politics of it a long time ago. My observation that Fark is filled with terrible people has nothing to do with the politics of it.


I think the point of the assertion is that:

1) Coburn is a major cockbag.
2) If he wants to offset the costs of the benefits of other states to fund HIS state, he should look at his state's spending first.
3) Of course, we know Coburn won't go for this because he's a major hypocrite, which is the farking point.  (Good on you for missing it.)

Or, as I've said repeatedly in this very thread, we could be adults about this and fund this through deficit and discretionary spending, like we have in the past for every other major disaster, which is the purpose of deficit and discretionary spending.
 
2013-05-21 04:06:24 PM

Snarfangel: tbhouston: People too stupid to not have life insurance and tornado insurance shouldn't be bailed out by the government

I wonder how different the U.S. would look if it were federally mandated that every home and business have flood/fire/earthquake/tornado/hurricane/whatever insurance, with rates based on actual risk and replacement costs.

Quick, someone whip up a SimCity mod!


insurance mandates quit being popular some years ago
 
2013-05-21 04:19:10 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Spaz-master: HotWingConspiracy:

Do you also get angered when people point out that water is wet and that the sky is blue?  How heartless of them.

This probably sounded pretty clever in your head.

And I am sure you do in your head as well

Sick burn bro


He's from the Paul Reubens school of comebacks.
 
2013-05-21 05:15:04 PM

Spaz-master: chuggernaught: The Christian thing to do would be to get the aid to the people that need it.

The American thing to do would be to get the aid to the people that need it.

The right thing to do would be to get the aid to the people that need it.

/please feel free to point out how the above statements are incorrect.  We're waiting.

And in no way did the statements of the Senator's office differ. He simply said to secure payment options.  How dare he.


So, we'll start by cutting all the pork/defense contracts from Sen. Coburn's many projects to pay for it.  Happy now?
 
2013-05-21 05:24:21 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: GoldSpider: Monkeyhouse Zendo: You might also want to acknowledge that what these horrible partisan democrats are proposing is that we give OK precisely what they've been demanding for the last three decades. The people of OK are not children and there is no reason that we should treat them as such.

On the other hand, this could be a teachable moment to the people of Oklahoma about the role and ability of the federal government in a limited crisis.  But considering they already receive $1.35 of funding for every dollar they contribute, perhaps my optimism is undue.

If the people of Oklahoma could be taught, they wouldn't live in f$cking Oklahoma.


As a libby lib liberal atheist living in Oklahoma who loves his ignorant ass fellow Oklahomans, go fark yourself. Also, if you don't understand how important the state of Oklahoma is to the Union then yer a frickin maroon.
Just read the damn wiki on the state and educate yourself FFS. For the record I don't like our politicians and I hope someday my state goes blue but I don't hate anybody with differing viewpoints and I certainly wouldn't deny them aid in order to score some sort of political point BS.

/go on hating though
//I love this state, wouldn't live anywhere else.
///Lotsa slashies
 
2013-05-21 06:24:52 PM
Has Phil Hartman been reincarnated?

talkingpointsmemo.com

www.biography.com
 
2013-05-21 08:36:20 PM

Spaz-master: chuggernaught: The Christian thing to do would be to get the aid to the people that need it.

The American thing to do would be to get the aid to the people that need it.

The right thing to do would be to get the aid to the people that need it.

/please feel free to point out how the above statements are incorrect.  We're waiting.

And in no way did the statements of the Senator's office differ. He simply said to secure payment options.  How dare he.


That's how you interpreted that? I interpreted his statements as "we won't provide aid until we secure payment options." You missed the extortive portion of his argument entirely.

It'd be one thing if he'd signed off on the aid, with the understanding that he'd be looking later for ways to recover the cost, but that's not what he did. He balked at signing off on aid, with the understanding that he wouldn't do so unless he received ways to recover the cost now.   The fun part? Take a look at the areas he's traditionally attacked when it comes tofunding.

The man has an agenda, and he's happy to push it by exploiting the suffering of his fellow citizens. There's really no other way to view his actions.
 
2013-05-22 12:56:42 AM

Evil High Priest: TV's Vinnie: I was wondering who would be the first republican sh*tsack to deny aid to these people. All that's left of my predictions is to see the WBC show up with their usual van full of signs.

Yup, I'm hoping for a good WBC turnout at the mass funerals. Republicans are so great!


Aaaaand it looks like my predictions all become true. I must be a Wizard.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/21/westboro-oklahoma-tornado-_ n_ 3312712.html?utm_hp_ref=politics&ir=Politics
 
2013-05-22 02:11:48 PM
I've been thinking about Mr. Coburn's position, and I've decided I'm fine with it on one condition. Those cuts must be on money headed to Oklahoma anyway for other programs. If he's truly trying to be be fiscally responsible he'll be fine with that restriction. But if he objects we'll know he's simply trying to cut spending for others while keeping his own slice of the pie, and I'm sure we'll all drop dead of shock.
 
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