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(Talking Points Memo)   OK Sen. Tom Coburn (R-heartless): No disaster aid for my constituents until budget cuts are made to compensate   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 289
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2013-05-21 09:46:23 AM  
The stupid hicks of that state will still reelect him with an overwhelming majority.
 
2013-05-21 09:50:32 AM  
Way to stick it to Obama!

I'm sure your constituents will appreciate your integrity and moral backbone from their tent next to the ditch. That will get you re elected!

Oh youre retiring in two years?

DIAF!
 
2013-05-21 09:51:07 AM  

Despair of the Cheese: Hooray for Cantor version 2.0. How do these utter wastes of space keep getting elected?


For the same reason "small government" conservatives were elected in the 1790s. People don't want the government helping black people.
 
2013-05-21 09:52:31 AM  
.....and yet the people of his state will still overwhelmingly vote Republican, even though Republicans don't give a fark about them, their property, their pets, their livelihoods, nothing.

So really, they get the representation they deserve.  Vote for garbage, you'll get treated like garbage.  Remember that as you rebuild your house and await the next tornado to blow through and knock it to the ground.
 
2013-05-21 09:55:09 AM  

Wendy's Chili: Despair of the Cheese: Hooray for Cantor version 2.0. How do these utter wastes of space keep getting elected?

For the same reason "small government" conservatives were elected in the 1790s. People don't want the government helping black people.


Hey hey hey heyheyhey - don't mention the founders being hypocritical slave owners. Real America doesn't like that.

/unless you meant 1990s
//in which case replace founders with republicans
///pat buchanan didn't help
 
2013-05-21 09:57:21 AM  
Well you elected this guy.  Enjoy.
 
2013-05-21 10:11:09 AM  
If you're a Republican in 2013, there's something wrong with you.

I don't care how the people of Oklahoma vote. They need our help right now, and we need to give them that help. Argue about the budget and spending and taxes some other time.
 
2013-05-21 10:20:28 AM  

The Why Not Guy: If you're a Republican in 2013, there's something wrong with you.

I don't care how the people of Oklahoma vote.


It seems you do.They vote Republican. Heavily. As in, to the point of singularity.
 
2013-05-21 10:21:51 AM  
I plan to send Oklahomans a set of bootstraps to help them recover from the disaster.
 
2013-05-21 10:22:14 AM  
These tornadoes wouldn't have happened if they put jesus back in the hearts of oklahomans. It's god's judgement for them being backwoods farknuts...

/could barely do that with a straight face
 
2013-05-21 10:25:21 AM  
Here's a fun Twitter game:

Let's name some budget items that Sen. Coburn can cut so his constituents can get disaster aid.

Use the hashtag #Coburnscuts


/tweet it out
//or tout, if you're Michael Cole
 
2013-05-21 10:25:28 AM  

Spaz-master: skullkrusher: Spaz-master: skullkrusher:

maybe they saw how fun scandalizin' was and want to find one of their very own.
Coburn spokesman asked a question about disaster aid. Spokesman says that Coburn's position is that disaster aid should be offset by cuts elsewhere. ZOMG WHY DOES HE WANT TO LEAVE CHILDREN BURIED IN THE RUBBBBBBBLES?!

THIS

Coburn is a shiatbag but my my my the Fark left is particularly frothy these days

Exactly.
They are wasting some unresolved anger on something like this.  Perhaps the scandal rumours have caused more butthurt than previously known.


Nah, we're just tired of people like you that say "OMG BARTFONGO SCANDEL~!" and yet when the truth comes out, guys like you slink away and hide until the next "scandal" involving the President is made up.

Also: GOP approval rating hits all-time low.

So, do go ahead and keep farking that chicken, eh?
 
2013-05-21 10:27:07 AM  

Target Builder: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist:

Because when you're holding the broken body of your dead child, the only thing that can offset that grief is knowing that the firefighter, who pulled little Timmy out of the school, was paid for with monies earmarked for poor brown people.

Nobody is going to get their earmarks cut. There are 99 other Senators and most of them will vote to pass whatever funding bill reaches them, which will almost certainly be a clean bill. This is just Coburn being a jackass trying to have his cake and eat it with regards to disaster spending when he should be trying to do something productive or supportive for his constituents.


Keep in mind, Senate GOP was almost unanimous in opposition to Sandy Relief.
 
2013-05-21 10:27:59 AM  
The FARK headline is inaccurate.  It's more like, "While my constituents are receiving aid, I'm gonna cancel stuff for other people elsewhere in the budget."

Meanwhile, the best information comes from the British weather service because we defunded ours.
 
2013-05-21 10:28:44 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Here's a fun Twitter game:

Let's name some budget items that Sen. Coburn can cut so his constituents can get disaster aid.

Use the hashtag #Coburnscuts


/tweet it out
//or tout, if you're Michael Cole


Download the CoburnCuts app!
 
2013-05-21 10:30:25 AM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: That being said, I do not approve of punishing people for the sin of voting Republican, nor do I like the idea that our already weak social contact will be further degraded to pay for this tragedy, further compounding our tragedy. It's a kind of sick perpetual sadness machine Coburn is attempting to construct in service to some numbers on a ledger.
He's bad, and the people that vote for such ideas are stupid, but helping stupid people without being dicks about it is something you should really strive to do, although I understand the temptation to rub noses in poo a little. But come on, a lot of these people had their homes striped to the foundation.


Agreed; I wouldn't take it out on the people of OK anyway.  However, I'll gladly point out on the record the hypocrisy of people like Tom Coburn who'll gladly play politics with Sandy but will say "DON'T YOU DARE PLAY POLITICS WITH THE PEOPLE OF OKLAHOMA~!"

I wouldn't think twice to help out Oklahoma but I'll gladly embarrass people like him.
 
2013-05-21 10:31:33 AM  

RexTalionis: I just want to note that in 2013, when the Disaster Relief Appropriations Act, which was created to help the victims of Hurricane Sandy, was up for a vote in the Senate, he voted against it:

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote _c fm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00004


There ya go:  Hypocrisy on the record for all to see.
 
2013-05-21 10:33:39 AM  

Rwa2play: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: That being said, I do not approve of punishing people for the sin of voting Republican, nor do I like the idea that our already weak social contact will be further degraded to pay for this tragedy, further compounding our tragedy. It's a kind of sick perpetual sadness machine Coburn is attempting to construct in service to some numbers on a ledger.
He's bad, and the people that vote for such ideas are stupid, but helping stupid people without being dicks about it is something you should really strive to do, although I understand the temptation to rub noses in poo a little. But come on, a lot of these people had their homes striped to the foundation.

Agreed; I wouldn't take it out on the people of OK anyway.  However, I'll gladly point out on the record the hypocrisy of people like Tom Coburn who'll gladly play politics with Sandy but will say "DON'T YOU DARE PLAY POLITICS WITH THE PEOPLE OF OKLAHOMA~!"

I wouldn't think twice to help out Oklahoma but I'll gladly embarrass people like him.


Actually Coburn is playing politics with Oklahoma. That's the topic of this thread.
 
2013-05-21 10:34:14 AM  
I'll translate what Senator Coburn means:

We should give millions in disaster aid to Oklahoma, but only if use that emergency aid as an excuse forcutting programs thatbenefit the poor and minorities.
 
2013-05-21 10:34:34 AM  

Rwa2play: RexTalionis: I just want to note that in 2013, when the Disaster Relief Appropriations Act, which was created to help the victims of Hurricane Sandy, was up for a vote in the Senate, he voted against it:

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote _c fm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00004

There ya go:  Hypocrisy on the record for all to see.


He always refuses to aid anyone without a budget cut, and that sadly extends to his own people.  the hypocrisy is in his votes for pork projects and needless subsidies to defense and big oil.
 
2013-05-21 10:36:32 AM  
Also, if the tea party types in Oklahoma consider the federal government "oppressive tyranny," and want to "live free or die," then they're being pretty disingenuous by accepting federal aid rather than pulling themselves up by their bootstraps.

My point is - the tea party only seems to think the government is a good thing when it directly benefits its members.
 
2013-05-21 10:39:04 AM  
I just hope these comments make  Oklahomans wake up and start elected Democrats
 
2013-05-21 10:40:07 AM  
The FEMA Disaster Relief Fund already has a budget of $6 billion for fiscal year 2013. This is money that is already on the books. What Senator Coburn is doing is holding his own suffering constituents hostage in order to ram through unrelated spending cuts. I will leave it as an exercise for the reader to determine what this says about Coburn's character and what kind of a human being he is.
 
2013-05-21 10:41:18 AM  
Does this mean that Coburn is going to get primaried for being a dick?

Can one hope that something good might come out of this tornado?
 
2013-05-21 10:41:45 AM  

verbaltoxin: Rwa2play: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: That being said, I do not approve of punishing people for the sin of voting Republican, nor do I like the idea that our already weak social contact will be further degraded to pay for this tragedy, further compounding our tragedy. It's a kind of sick perpetual sadness machine Coburn is attempting to construct in service to some numbers on a ledger.
He's bad, and the people that vote for such ideas are stupid, but helping stupid people without being dicks about it is something you should really strive to do, although I understand the temptation to rub noses in poo a little. But come on, a lot of these people had their homes striped to the foundation.

Agreed; I wouldn't take it out on the people of OK anyway.  However, I'll gladly point out on the record the hypocrisy of people like Tom Coburn who'll gladly play politics with Sandy but will say "DON'T YOU DARE PLAY POLITICS WITH THE PEOPLE OF OKLAHOMA~!"

I wouldn't think twice to help out Oklahoma but I'll gladly embarrass people like him.

Actually Coburn is playing politics with Oklahoma. That's the topic of this thread.


I understand that, that's why I made it more of a generalization (or at least I tried to).
 
2013-05-21 10:42:49 AM  

Rwa2play: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: That being said, I do not approve of punishing people for the sin of voting Republican, nor do I like the idea that our already weak social contact will be further degraded to pay for this tragedy, further compounding our tragedy. It's a kind of sick perpetual sadness machine Coburn is attempting to construct in service to some numbers on a ledger.
He's bad, and the people that vote for such ideas are stupid, but helping stupid people without being dicks about it is something you should really strive to do, although I understand the temptation to rub noses in poo a little. But come on, a lot of these people had their homes striped to the foundation.

Agreed; I wouldn't take it out on the people of OK anyway.  However, I'll gladly point out on the record the hypocrisy of people like Tom Coburn who'll gladly play politics with Sandy but will say "DON'T YOU DARE PLAY POLITICS WITH THE PEOPLE OF OKLAHOMA~!"

I wouldn't think twice to help out Oklahoma but I'll gladly embarrass people like him.



Yeah, I'd just like to add that while we're understandably having a pity party for the people of Oklahoma, they voted this clown in because THEY BELIEVE THAT SHIAT, TOO. They're the same people who were rallying behind him when he did this to the people of NJ. So...yeah.
 
2013-05-21 10:42:57 AM  

meat0918: Does this mean that Coburn is going to get primaried for being a dick?

Can one hope that something good might come out of this tornado?


Nah, that SOB already said he wouldn't run for another term.  That being said, this wouldn't come out of his yap had he been running for another term.
 
2013-05-21 10:43:16 AM  

Chummer45: Also, if the tea party types in Oklahoma consider the federal government "oppressive tyranny," and want to "live free or die," then they're being pretty disingenuous by accepting federal aid rather than pulling themselves up by their bootstraps.

My point is - the tea party only seems to think the government is a good thing when it directly benefits its members.


The bolded part is what they are full-time. It's ignorance. People don't understand how government works, so they assume anything bad is the government's fault, and it should be cut down and done away with like some nuisance. And then a tornado, hurricane, blizzard or oil spill happens.

We've only been through this what, four or five times in as many years and we're still discussing this?
 
2013-05-21 10:43:33 AM  
i.qkme.me
 
2013-05-21 10:44:23 AM  
If he wasn't retiring he'd be screaming for federal aid so loud he'd get a "keep it down" email from nuclear test sites.

No matter what the first rule of politics is "Re-elected at all costs" and even Oklahomans would remember their U.S. Senator essentially saying "Oh, your town got obliterated? I'll sell you this extra-large bag of dicks, because I'm too afraid of Grover Norquist to do my job. If you have another kid to replace the one that died be sure to save up to send it to a private school with a better tornado shelter."
 
2013-05-21 10:44:23 AM  

Epoch_Zero: It seems you do.They vote Republican. Heavily. As in, to the point of singularity.


Uh, you seem to have missed the part where I said "they need our help and we need to give them that help" regardless of how they vote or who they elect to office. I can't say it any clearer.
 
2013-05-21 10:46:19 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Yeah, I'd just like to add that while we're understandably having a pity party for the people of Oklahoma, they voted this clown in because THEY BELIEVE THAT SHIAT, TOO. They're the same people who were rallying behind him when he did this to the people of NJ. So...yeah.


Yeah, but you know what? None of that matters right now. Give them the help they need, and later on I can laugh about how this gay atheist Liberal is a better Christian then they are. But right now they need our help.
 
2013-05-21 10:47:19 AM  

seventypercent: The FEMA Disaster Relief Fund already has a budget of $6 billion for fiscal year 2013. This is money that is already on the books. What Senator Coburn is doing is holding his own suffering constituents hostage in order to ram through unrelated spending cuts. I will leave it as an exercise for the reader to determine what this says about Coburn's character and what kind of a human being he is.



I, for one, would like to thank Coburn for at least being intellectually consistent.  The GOP is trying to leverage everything under the sun to force through spending cuts, consequences be damned.  At least now it may hurt GOP voters, and not just the usual targets of poor "urban" folks.  Who knows? Maybe this will make GOP voters wake up and realize that the GOP's hostage taking is neither responsible governance nor coherent public policy.

But I'm probably being too optimistic.
 
2013-05-21 10:48:07 AM  
I don't see the problem here.  Well, I do.  He's an asshole.  But he's doing what he was elected to do, regardless of personal impact.  I assume that the people of his state wanted someone who would vote no on any disaster relief until it was paid for, such as the storms in the northeast.  After all they voted for him.  In which case he's doing exactly what the people wanted when they voted for him.

Maybe in the future they won't be so retarded.  Or maybe they will be and they'll vote for another guy like this, in which case I hope he sticks to his guns again.
 
2013-05-21 10:49:17 AM  

KellyX: I just hope these comments make  Oklahomans wake up and start elected Democrats


I'm in stitches over here.

Joplin was a solidly red area before the tornado struck and still is a solidly red area after the tornado struck.

As long as people in that part of the country think that the GOP is the party of Jesus, people will still vote Republican.
 
2013-05-21 10:51:10 AM  

Mrtraveler01: KellyX: I just hope these comments make  Oklahomans wake up and start elected Democrats

I'm in stitches over here.

Joplin was a solidly red area before the tornado struck and still is a solidly red area after the tornado struck.

As long as people in that part of the country think that the GOP is the party of Jesus, people will still vote Republican.


Apparently Jesus keeps teaching them a lesson, but there is some debate over exactly what it is.
 
2013-05-21 10:51:20 AM  

Mrtraveler01: KellyX: I just hope these comments make  Oklahomans wake up and start elected Democrats

I'm in stitches over here.

Joplin was a solidly red area before the tornado struck and still is a solidly red area after the tornado struck.

As long as people in that part of the country think that the GOP is the party of Jesus, people will still vote Republican.



Yup.  They'll attribute bad things that happen as an act of God, or the Democrats' fault.  OK is crazy conservative/authoritarian, and there is no way in hell it will turn blue any time soon.
 
2013-05-21 10:51:26 AM  

Chummer45: I'll translate what Senator Coburn means:

We should give millions in disaster aid to Oklahoma, but only if use that emergency aid as an excuse forcutting programs thatbenefit the poor and minorities.


THIS!

It's pretty sad when the GOP treats a disaster as another excuse to cut programs that don't like.

Because we know that they don't want to off set those cuts with cuts in Defense spending.

At least Coburn is consistent when it comes to being an asshole.
 
2013-05-21 10:52:01 AM  

Mrtraveler01: KellyX: I just hope these comments make  Oklahomans wake up and start elected Democrats

I'm in stitches over here.

Joplin was a solidly red area before the tornado struck and still is a solidly red area after the tornado struck.

As long as people in that part of the country think that the GOP is the party of Jesus, people will still vote Republican.


And Texas after Perry cut services for fighting fires while the state was on fire.
 
2013-05-21 10:52:35 AM  
Well, I don't mean to sound callous, but why should they get any tax money? They knew what they were getting into when they foolishly chose to live in that region. It's not like nobody could see an inevitable storm tearing those flimsy, cheaply constructed buildings apart, and their houses are put right in front of danger, what the hell did they expect?


Oh, crap, my bad! I had my computer set on "Conservative Reactions to Katrina Victims" for a moment there. Isn't it strange how it was so easy to be crass to those victims? I wonder why.
 
2013-05-21 10:53:41 AM  

EyeballKid: Well, I don't mean to sound callous, but why should they get any tax money? They knew what they were getting into when they foolishly chose to live in that region. It's not like nobody could see an inevitable storm tearing those flimsy, cheaply constructed buildings apart, and their houses are put right in front of danger, what the hell did they expect?


Oh, crap, my bad! I had my computer set on "Conservative Reactions to Katrina Victims" for a moment there. Isn't it strange how it was so easy to be crass to those victims? I wonder why.


I know, right?
 
2013-05-21 10:55:30 AM  

EyeballKid: Well, I don't mean to sound callous, but why should they get any tax money? They knew what they were getting into when they foolishly chose to live in that region. It's not like nobody could see an inevitable storm tearing those flimsy, cheaply constructed buildings apart, and their houses are put right in front of danger, what the hell did they expect?


Oh, crap, my bad! I had my computer set on "Conservative Reactions to Katrina Victims" for a moment there. Isn't it strange how it was so easy to be crass to those victims? I wonder why.


Well, we know it's not racism, because we have a black president now, and therefore racism doesn't exist any more.
 
2013-05-21 10:56:07 AM  
Grand_Moff_Joseph:

Keep in mind, Senate GOP was almost unanimous in opposition to Sandy Relief.

True, but lots of them are from states in Tornado Alley and I don't think the Democrats are going to be assholes about this. All the GOP need to do is skip the filibuster and they'll be fine.
 
2013-05-21 10:58:34 AM  

Target Builder: Grand_Moff_Joseph:

Keep in mind, Senate GOP was almost unanimous in opposition to Sandy Relief.

True, but lots of them are from states in Tornado Alley and I don't think the Democrats are going to be assholes about this. All the GOP need to do is skip the filibuster and they'll be fine.


Oh, I wanna see this...

Don't think Cantor will filibuster this, but Boehner? Gohmert?  Oh, I want to watch CSPAN when this happens.

/gets popcorn
 
2013-05-21 10:58:46 AM  
Surprise surprise
 
2013-05-21 11:02:01 AM  

Rwa2play: Oh, I wanna see this...

Don't think Cantor will filibuster this, but Boehner? Gohmert? Oh, I want to watch CSPAN when this happens.

/gets popcorn



i.i.com.com
"Did somebody say 'filibuster?' Free TV time, here I come! Paul in '16!...Uh, I mean, I come today because I'm very concerned..."
 
2013-05-21 11:10:17 AM  
Everybody in this thread is missing the real point. The real point here is that Coburn and his gang of fools don't save for a rainy day, and don't set aside money, and therefore, when they get in a crunch, they decide that they will cut from other places in the budget, whether that is budget that is going to OK, or some other region, they don't care.

But the point is, it's the exact opposite of all the moralizing they do: they don't have a plan, they just make shiat up as they go along and the rest of us pay the price.
 
2013-05-21 11:15:22 AM  
I await news that House Republicans have tied a repeal of the Affordable Care Act to an Oklahoma recovery bill, so that they can guarantee its failure, which they will then blame on Democrats.
 
2013-05-21 11:16:30 AM  

MachineHead: Everybody in this thread is missing the real point. The real point here is that Coburn and his gang of fools don't save for a rainy day, and don't set aside money, and therefore, when they get in a crunch, they decide that they will cut from other places in the budget, whether that is budget that is going to OK, or some other region, they don't care.

But the point is, it's the exact opposite of all the moralizing they do: they don't have a plan, they just make shiat up as they go along and the rest of us pay the price.


I think you're missing the point: the government does have a budget for emergencies and disasters. It has a whole department for it. But Coburn wants to make cuts anyway because f*ck liberals.
 
2013-05-21 11:18:31 AM  

Rwa2play: Target Builder: Grand_Moff_Joseph:

Keep in mind, Senate GOP was almost unanimous in opposition to Sandy Relief.

True, but lots of them are from states in Tornado Alley and I don't think the Democrats are going to be assholes about this. All the GOP need to do is skip the filibuster and they'll be fine.

Oh, I wanna see this...

Don't think Cantor will filibuster this, but Boehner? Gohmert?  Oh, I want to watch CSPAN when this happens.

/gets popcorn


Neither Cantor, Boehner, nor Gohmert are in the Senate. As such, they cannot filibuster anything.
 
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