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(Talking Points Memo)   OK Sen. Tom Coburn (R-heartless): No disaster aid for my constituents until budget cuts are made to compensate   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 289
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2013-05-21 08:19:15 AM

skullkrusher: Spaz-master: HotWingConspiracy: Spaz-master: Dracolich: Spaz-master: It's amazing how many of the respondents didn't RTFA and only this flametatic headline.

FTFA "Oklahoma Republican Sen. Tom Coburn will seek to offset federal aid to victims of amassive tornado that blasted through Oklahoma City suburbs on Monday with cuts elsewhere in the budget. "

Bookkeeping is now heartless? I guess some of you would say that the only way to have a heart is blind spending without at least trying to manage the accounts being spent?

It's about priorities.  Right now, there are potentially still people trapped in rubble waiting to be rescued.  He's concerned about a political agenda.  It's like having a fire chief ask about your personal finances to pay for their visit while they're putting out your fire.  We all know it needs to be paid for, but perhaps his head should be in the game.

Perhaps, but he made this statement in response to the question about it... So wouldn't the member of the press be the Supreme Ultra Douche in this case, not the person who responded honestly?

Yeah man, the press is totally at fault for Coburn's policies.

So responding with a "Yes, we will offset this spending as before" is the heartless aspect, not the press member who inflamed something so obvious.  Do you also get angered when people point out that water is wet and that the sky is blue?  How heartless of them.

maybe they saw how fun scandalizin' was and want to find one of their very own.
Coburn spokesman asked a question about disaster aid. Spokesman says that Coburn's position is that disaster aid should be offset by cuts elsewhere. ZOMG WHY DOES HE WANT TO LEAVE CHILDREN BURIED IN THE RUBBBBBBBLES?!


I think his position is reasonable, just that he could phrased in a better way, as if offsetting the spending wasn't on the same level of priorities as disaster relief.
 
2013-05-21 08:19:22 AM
OH HO HO.

The plot thickens.

Oklahoma gets $1.35 in Federal spending for every dollar they receive in taxes.

This is a leach state.  An entire state of takers.

Yeah, we can definitely find cuts in Federal spending in this state to offset the disaster aid.
 
2013-05-21 08:19:53 AM

Hobodeluxe: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: The alternative is federal spending gets cut elsewhere, negatively impacting poor and needy there.

So it IS true that all our federal spending is on the poor?  shiat, that's a problem

HotWingConspiracy: Coburn's state actually feeling the effects of his decision making seems a perfectly cromulent compromise.

yeah, about half of whom voted for the other guy. Sins of the neighbor is good enough cuz boy would that burn Coburn!

yeah well that is how things work. we can't just give to the people who vote for social programs and emergency funds. the selfish get the same relief.
it's like how the red states get money from the blue states because they don't tax their people accordingly. they keep their taxes lower depending on others to supplement them. all the while stealing jobs from them because of their tax policies.


yeah, that's how it works. An unfortunate side effect of the democratic process. Not something to crow about while trying to berate SOMEONE ELSE for their stupidity and callousness
 
2013-05-21 08:20:16 AM

Electrify: The saddest part is that Oklahoma will still vote Republican despite this.


He isn't going to stop aid reaching OK. The bill to find this will pass just fine, all this douche is doing is claiming to oppose spending he secretly wants. My guess is that when all is said and done the folks who voted for him will probably be happy with him because they will get the disaster aid money they need and want but can pretend that "we never wanted this, we were going to pull ourselves up by our bootstraps anyway".
 
2013-05-21 08:20:45 AM

skullkrusher: Spaz-master: skullkrusher:

maybe they saw how fun scandalizin' was and want to find one of their very own.
Coburn spokesman asked a question about disaster aid. Spokesman says that Coburn's position is that disaster aid should be offset by cuts elsewhere. ZOMG WHY DOES HE WANT TO LEAVE CHILDREN BURIED IN THE RUBBBBBBBLES?!

THIS

Coburn is a shiatbag but my my my the Fark left is particularly frothy these days


To be fair, both sides are bad.....
 
2013-05-21 08:20:51 AM

skullkrusher: I also don't embrace the Osama bin Laden "Vote against Bush or all of America will feel my wrath" mentality where we cavalierly talk about "government you deserve" when most elections are decided by a slim majority.


You're really good at setting up windmills, aren't you?

/precious
 
2013-05-21 08:21:47 AM

Almost Everybody Poops: skullkrusher: Spaz-master: HotWingConspiracy: Spaz-master: Dracolich: Spaz-master: It's amazing how many of the respondents didn't RTFA and only this flametatic headline.

FTFA "Oklahoma Republican Sen. Tom Coburn will seek to offset federal aid to victims of amassive tornado that blasted through Oklahoma City suburbs on Monday with cuts elsewhere in the budget. "

Bookkeeping is now heartless? I guess some of you would say that the only way to have a heart is blind spending without at least trying to manage the accounts being spent?

It's about priorities.  Right now, there are potentially still people trapped in rubble waiting to be rescued.  He's concerned about a political agenda.  It's like having a fire chief ask about your personal finances to pay for their visit while they're putting out your fire.  We all know it needs to be paid for, but perhaps his head should be in the game.

Perhaps, but he made this statement in response to the question about it... So wouldn't the member of the press be the Supreme Ultra Douche in this case, not the person who responded honestly?

Yeah man, the press is totally at fault for Coburn's policies.

So responding with a "Yes, we will offset this spending as before" is the heartless aspect, not the press member who inflamed something so obvious.  Do you also get angered when people point out that water is wet and that the sky is blue?  How heartless of them.

maybe they saw how fun scandalizin' was and want to find one of their very own.
Coburn spokesman asked a question about disaster aid. Spokesman says that Coburn's position is that disaster aid should be offset by cuts elsewhere. ZOMG WHY DOES HE WANT TO LEAVE CHILDREN BURIED IN THE RUBBBBBBBLES?!

I think his position is reasonable, just that he could phrased in a better way, as if offsetting the spending wasn't on the same level of priorities as disaster relief.


Sure he could have. So that's the story? Coburn's spokesman is a dick for not deflecting a question? OK I guess
 
2013-05-21 08:22:26 AM

skullkrusher: Almost Everybody Poops: skullkrusher: Spaz-master: HotWingConspiracy: Spaz-master: Dracolich: Spaz-master: It's amazing how many of the respondents didn't RTFA and only this flametatic headline.

FTFA "Oklahoma Republican Sen. Tom Coburn will seek to offset federal aid to victims of amassive tornado that blasted through Oklahoma City suburbs on Monday with cuts elsewhere in the budget. "

Bookkeeping is now heartless? I guess some of you would say that the only way to have a heart is blind spending without at least trying to manage the accounts being spent?

It's about priorities.  Right now, there are potentially still people trapped in rubble waiting to be rescued.  He's concerned about a political agenda.  It's like having a fire chief ask about your personal finances to pay for their visit while they're putting out your fire.  We all know it needs to be paid for, but perhaps his head should be in the game.

Perhaps, but he made this statement in response to the question about it... So wouldn't the member of the press be the Supreme Ultra Douche in this case, not the person who responded honestly?

Yeah man, the press is totally at fault for Coburn's policies.

So responding with a "Yes, we will offset this spending as before" is the heartless aspect, not the press member who inflamed something so obvious.  Do you also get angered when people point out that water is wet and that the sky is blue?  How heartless of them.

maybe they saw how fun scandalizin' was and want to find one of their very own.
Coburn spokesman asked a question about disaster aid. Spokesman says that Coburn's position is that disaster aid should be offset by cuts elsewhere. ZOMG WHY DOES HE WANT TO LEAVE CHILDREN BURIED IN THE RUBBBBBBBLES?!

I think his position is reasonable, just that he could phrased in a better way, as if offsetting the spending wasn't on the same level of priorities as disaster relief.

Sure he could have. So that's the story? Coburn's spokesman is a dick for not deflec ...


Yup...
///again... outrage meme
 
2013-05-21 08:22:28 AM

Snarfangel: tbhouston: People too stupid to not have life insurance and tornado insurance shouldn't be bailed out by the government

I wonder how different the U.S. would look if it were federally mandated that every home and business have flood/fire/earthquake/tornado/hurricane/whatever insurance, with rates based on actual risk and replacement costs.

Quick, someone whip up a SimCity mod!


Probably wouldn't matter since as we all know if we were Gods we'd just create Tornadoes out of nowhere to decimate everything

/oh the ironing...
 
2013-05-21 08:22:30 AM

skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah I hate democracy too. And no, it wouldn't burn Coburn, he's the one that wants it.

No, I don't hate democracy.


I think you might.

I also don't embrace the Osama bin Laden "Vote against Bush or all of America will feel my wrath" mentality where we cavalierly talk about "government you deserve" when most elections are decided by a slim majority. Apparently some people do. That's cool.

You certainly aren't obligated to embrace reality, but that is the reality of our democracy.

BTW, he won 71% of the vote in his last election.
 
2013-05-21 08:22:41 AM

Zulu_as_Kono: skullkrusher: I also don't embrace the Osama bin Laden "Vote against Bush or all of America will feel my wrath" mentality where we cavalierly talk about "government you deserve" when most elections are decided by a slim majority.

You're really good at setting up windmills, aren't you?

/precious


one man's windmill is another man's concept that you apparently aren't  bright enough to grasp
 
2013-05-21 08:23:01 AM

Snatch Bandergrip: Can any of the few occasionally rational Republicans on this site please give me one reason to vote Republican?


Consistency. Also, hobgoblins.
 
2013-05-21 08:23:56 AM
How about this, why not raise taxes on the wealthy to pay for the disaster relief, instead of offsetting an already strapped budget?  Or if it's the principle, have a mix of spending cuts and tax increases.  Or how about we just send them the aid first and then worry about how to pay it later?

The fundamental point of government is to pool our resources for a common good.  The unresolved anger is that these asshats want to drown government in a bathtub and their cuts to programs like FEMA make getting aid to these folks that much more difficult.  If wanting a rationale disaster response policy that is adequately funded to appropriate levels makes me butthurt, then yes, I am pretty butthurt.

Making statements demanding offsets at this point is totally inappropriate, Coburn is being an ass.
 
2013-05-21 08:24:10 AM
I wish they'd pass a law that there can be no more votes on repealing ObamaCare until OKC gets their relief check.
 
2013-05-21 08:24:16 AM
Administration should offer the cuts the pentagon wants as the offsets, but nothing else.
 
2013-05-21 08:24:28 AM

HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah I hate democracy too. And no, it wouldn't burn Coburn, he's the one that wants it.

No, I don't hate democracy.

I think you might.

I also don't embrace the Osama bin Laden "Vote against Bush or all of America will feel my wrath" mentality where we cavalierly talk about "government you deserve" when most elections are decided by a slim majority. Apparently some people do. That's cool.

You certainly aren't obligated to embrace reality, but that is the reality of our democracy.

BTW, he won 71% of the vote in his last election.


Recognizing democracy's drawbacks is the same as celebrating them? You sure you "think" about anything man? ;)

Yeah I think I was looking at the results of the prior election. Just a matter of degree
 
2013-05-21 08:26:55 AM

skullkrusher: Almost Everybody Poops: skullkrusher: Spaz-master: HotWingConspiracy: Spaz-master: Dracolich: Spaz-master: It's amazing how many of the respondents didn't RTFA and only this flametatic headline.

FTFA "Oklahoma Republican Sen. Tom Coburn will seek to offset federal aid to victims of amassive tornado that blasted through Oklahoma City suburbs on Monday with cuts elsewhere in the budget. "

Bookkeeping is now heartless? I guess some of you would say that the only way to have a heart is blind spending without at least trying to manage the accounts being spent?

It's about priorities.  Right now, there are potentially still people trapped in rubble waiting to be rescued.  He's concerned about a political agenda.  It's like having a fire chief ask about your personal finances to pay for their visit while they're putting out your fire.  We all know it needs to be paid for, but perhaps his head should be in the game.

Perhaps, but he made this statement in response to the question about it... So wouldn't the member of the press be the Supreme Ultra Douche in this case, not the person who responded honestly?

Yeah man, the press is totally at fault for Coburn's policies.

So responding with a "Yes, we will offset this spending as before" is the heartless aspect, not the press member who inflamed something so obvious.  Do you also get angered when people point out that water is wet and that the sky is blue?  How heartless of them.

maybe they saw how fun scandalizin' was and want to find one of their very own.
Coburn spokesman asked a question about disaster aid. Spokesman says that Coburn's position is that disaster aid should be offset by cuts elsewhere. ZOMG WHY DOES HE WANT TO LEAVE CHILDREN BURIED IN THE RUBBBBBBBLES?!

I think his position is reasonable, just that he could phrased in a better way, as if offsetting the spending wasn't on the same level of priorities as disaster relief.

Sure he could have. So that's the story? Coburn's spokesman is a dick for not deflec ...


No, I think the headline is overly dramatic and sensational (on fark? really??).  And context is key, I dunno if the quote in the article was just after he expressed deep thoughts and feelings for those affected, like Jack Handey.  I guess my point is.... well....

Fark.
 
2013-05-21 08:27:29 AM

Target Builder: Electrify: The saddest part is that Oklahoma will still vote Republican despite this.

He isn't going to stop aid reaching OK. The bill to find this will pass just fine, all this douche is doing is claiming to oppose spending he secretly wants. My guess is that when all is said and done the folks who voted for him will probably be happy with him because they will get the disaster aid money they need and want but can pretend that "we never wanted this, we were going to pull ourselves up by our bootstraps anyway".


Because when you're holding the broken body of your dead child, the only thing that can offset that grief is knowing that the firefighter, who pulled little Timmy out of the school, was paid for with monies earmarked for poor brown people.
 
2013-05-21 08:27:46 AM

skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah I hate democracy too. And no, it wouldn't burn Coburn, he's the one that wants it.

No, I don't hate democracy. I also don't embrace the Osama bin Laden "Vote against Bush or all of America will feel my wrath" mentality where we cavalierly talk about "government you deserve" when most elections are decided by a slim majority. Apparently some people do. That's cool.


Of course Bin Laden could have been using reverse psychology knowing how Americans would react to such a threat. But I don't see it any different than Cheney's "It's absolutely essential that eight weeks from today, on Nov. 2, we make the right choice, because if we make the wrong choice then the danger is that we'll get hit again and we'll be hit in a way that will be devastating from the standpoint of the United States,"

Now if bin Laden was making a terroristic threat couldn't the same be said about Cheney?
 
2013-05-21 08:28:08 AM

skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah I hate democracy too. And no, it wouldn't burn Coburn, he's the one that wants it.

No, I don't hate democracy.

I think you might.

I also don't embrace the Osama bin Laden "Vote against Bush or all of America will feel my wrath" mentality where we cavalierly talk about "government you deserve" when most elections are decided by a slim majority. Apparently some people do. That's cool.

You certainly aren't obligated to embrace reality, but that is the reality of our democracy.

BTW, he won 71% of the vote in his last election.

Recognizing democracy's drawbacks is the same as celebrating them? You sure you "think" about anything man? ;)

Yeah I think I was looking at the results of the prior election. Just a matter of degree


In fairness to the people of OK, this guy was the competition:

upload.wikimedia.org

I'm not joking. I know nothing about the man, but try to clean up for your official photo.
 
2013-05-21 08:28:15 AM

TheMysteriousStranger: Give him some credit, most Republicans are against aid for everyone else but want money bags for their own state.

He is a nut, but an honest one.


Are you under the impression that the "offsets" he is talking about are coming out of federal money to Oklahoma?  The dirtbag wants someone else in the country to take cuts to make up for the money his constituents will get.
 
2013-05-21 08:28:35 AM
This storm is, without a doubt, the best thing to happen to Democratic partisans in weeks.  It's impossible that they're going to let this opportunity go to waste.
 
2013-05-21 08:29:00 AM

Satanic_Hamster: OH HO HO.

The plot thickens.

Oklahoma gets $1.35 in Federal spending for every dollar they receive in taxes.

This is a leach state.  An entire state of takers.

Yeah, we can definitely find cuts in Federal spending in this state to offset the disaster aid.


and they use that tax deficit to lure jobs from blue states.
 
2013-05-21 08:29:20 AM

Mr. Titanium: TheMysteriousStranger: Give him some credit, most Republicans are against aid for everyone else but want money bags for their own state.

He is a nut, but an honest one.

Are you under the impression that the "offsets" he is talking about are coming out of federal money to Oklahoma?  The dirtbag wants someone else in the country to take cuts to make up for the money his constituents will get.


Isn't that how all federal spending offsets work?
 
2013-05-21 08:29:57 AM

HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah I hate democracy too. And no, it wouldn't burn Coburn, he's the one that wants it.

No, I don't hate democracy.

I think you might.

I also don't embrace the Osama bin Laden "Vote against Bush or all of America will feel my wrath" mentality where we cavalierly talk about "government you deserve" when most elections are decided by a slim majority. Apparently some people do. That's cool.

You certainly aren't obligated to embrace reality, but that is the reality of our democracy.

BTW, he won 71% of the vote in his last election.

Recognizing democracy's drawbacks is the same as celebrating them? You sure you "think" about anything man? ;)

Yeah I think I was looking at the results of the prior election. Just a matter of degree

In fairness to the people of OK, this guy was the competition:



I'm not joking. I know nothing about the man, but try to clean up for your official photo.


That's his best Sunday outfit, bro. The colors match and everything.
 
2013-05-21 08:30:05 AM

skullkrusher: yeah! Fark those poor and needy in OK! That'll show Coburn!

This is why you people aren't nearly as wise or compassionate as you like to tell each other you are.


Are you saying that it's wrong to give the people of Oklahoma precisely what they've been demanding?

If Coburn and Inhofe want the aid to be offset by budget cuts then they're basically demanding that everyone else do with less to benefit OK. If OK is unwilling to bear the burden of helping other states, why should other states bear the burden of helping them?
 
2013-05-21 08:30:25 AM

GoldSpider: This storm is, without a doubt, the best thing to happen to Democratic partisans in weeks.  It's impossible that they're going to let this opportunity go to waste.


Care to elaborate?
 
2013-05-21 08:30:26 AM

GoldSpider: This storm is, without a doubt, the best thing to happen to Democratic partisans in weeks.  It's impossible that they're going to let this opportunity go to waste.


no not the storm. Coburn's asshattery.
 
2013-05-21 08:30:43 AM

GoldSpider: This storm is, without a doubt, the best thing to happen to Democratic partisans in weeks.  It's impossible that they're going to let this opportunity go to waste.


The corollary to this is that Darrell Issa will have to masturbate in private for a few days.
 
2013-05-21 08:31:36 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: If OK is unwilling to bear the burden of helping other states, why should other states bear the burden of helping them?


Because playing along in that game is bad for us all in the long run.
 
2013-05-21 08:32:46 AM

doyner: Monkeyhouse Zendo: If OK is unwilling to bear the burden of helping other states, why should other states bear the burden of helping them?

Because playing along in that game is bad for us all in the long run.


you sound like a socialist commie
 
2013-05-21 08:33:20 AM

Almost Everybody Poops: Care to elaborate?


This will be in the news for the next week or so.  Takes the news cycle attention away from the IRS, AP snooping and intimidating reporters.

Hobodeluxe: no not the storm. Coburn's asshattery.


Both.

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: The corollary to this is that Darrell Issa will have to masturbate in private for a few days.


LOL, wut?
 
2013-05-21 08:34:12 AM

SteakMan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo8iNvmpsbQ


Nice Vid! Good to hear a guy make an argument in his own words.
 
2013-05-21 08:34:16 AM
Wow, I was going to make a joke about this today but this guy came out and actually said it. His own constituents, too. At least he puts his money where his mouth is, but OK richly deserves to have aid held up for a couple of months because of this dude's asshattery (for being stupid enough to elect him), and then he needs to lose his job. He's certainly handing his opponents a bunch of ammunition for the next election.
 
2013-05-21 08:34:31 AM

DeaH: Somehow, I don't think the people who voted for him are going to like this. Of course, he's retiring, and I bet with a lot more money than when he joined congress.


And he won't be going back to Oklahoma. I'd wager there's a fat partnership at a lobby-house waiting for him.
 
2013-05-21 08:34:58 AM
On the other side of it, Tom Cole (Republican Congressman) was on the radio (NPR) earlier talking about how when he voted for Sandy Relief, he had said that, "we are just one tornado away" from the same situation. His home was less than a mile from the path of destruction, and he apparently worked as a groundskeeper at the elementary school that was destroyed as a teen.

Not all of them are assholes, and I'm sure Cole will be on the line to chew out Coburn shortly.
 
2013-05-21 08:35:12 AM

Hobodeluxe: doyner: Monkeyhouse Zendo: If OK is unwilling to bear the burden of helping other states, why should other states bear the burden of helping them?

Because playing along in that game is bad for us all in the long run.

you sound like a socialist commie


I'm sure many folks think that.
 
2013-05-21 08:35:50 AM

doyner: Monkeyhouse Zendo: If OK is unwilling to bear the burden of helping other states, why should other states bear the burden of helping them?

Because playing along in that game is bad for us all in the long run.


We've already been playing that game for decades.  OK has received more federal money then it's given back for it's entire existence.  It's time we started to halt that.  We have a budget crisis, after all.
 
2013-05-21 08:36:11 AM

Hobodeluxe: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah I hate democracy too. And no, it wouldn't burn Coburn, he's the one that wants it.

No, I don't hate democracy. I also don't embrace the Osama bin Laden "Vote against Bush or all of America will feel my wrath" mentality where we cavalierly talk about "government you deserve" when most elections are decided by a slim majority. Apparently some people do. That's cool.

Of course Bin Laden could have been using reverse psychology knowing how Americans would react to such a threat. But I don't see it any different than Cheney's "It's absolutely essential that eight weeks from today, on Nov. 2, we make the right choice, because if we make the wrong choice then the danger is that we'll get hit again and we'll be hit in a way that will be devastating from the standpoint of the United States,"

Now if bin Laden was making a terroristic threat couldn't the same be said about Cheney?


Ok... What's your point?
 
2013-05-21 08:36:14 AM

GoldSpider: Almost Everybody Poops: Care to elaborate?

This will be in the news for the next week or so.  Takes the news cycle attention away from the IRS, AP snooping and intimidating reporters.


Ah, maybe for a few days but there will be so many hearings those "scandals" will be in the news for weeks.
 
2013-05-21 08:36:18 AM
Remember folks, being morally consistent isn't the same as being consistently moral.
 
2013-05-21 08:36:20 AM
So wait... tragedy occurs due to gunman and "too soon to talk about gun legislation."

But a natural disaster occurs and inmediately "we need to cut the budget to pay relief efforts."
 
2013-05-21 08:36:22 AM

GoldSpider: This storm is, without a doubt, the best thing to happen to Democratic partisans in weeks.  It's impossible that they're going to let this opportunity go to waste.


I've read you're posts for a few years now. You're better than this.

We're going to ensure that OK gets the disaster relief it needs regardless of whether, as a state, they've been working to deny that sort of aid to other states. That's how the US works, whether they like it or not. If Coburn wants to be a dick and require that the aid be offset by budget cuts then I see no reason why OK shouldn't bear the burden of those cuts.
 
2013-05-21 08:37:09 AM

GoldSpider: This will be in the news for the next week or so. Takes the news cycle attention away from the IRS, AP snooping and intimidating reporters.


nah the today show has already ran those stories this morning too. I'm guessing they won't be the main focus of attention but they are still giving them lip service once an hour.
 
2013-05-21 08:37:25 AM

cptjeff: On the other side of it, Tom Cole (Republican Congressman) was on the radio (NPR) earlier talking about how when he voted for Sandy Relief, he had said that, "we are just one tornado away" from the same situation. His home was less than a mile from the path of destruction, and he apparently worked as a groundskeeper at the elementary school that was destroyed as a teen.

Not all of them are assholes, and I'm sure Cole will be on the line to chew out Coburn shortly.


That's actually really good to hear.
 
2013-05-21 08:37:34 AM

HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah I hate democracy too. And no, it wouldn't burn Coburn, he's the one that wants it.

No, I don't hate democracy.

I think you might.

I also don't embrace the Osama bin Laden "Vote against Bush or all of America will feel my wrath" mentality where we cavalierly talk about "government you deserve" when most elections are decided by a slim majority. Apparently some people do. That's cool.

You certainly aren't obligated to embrace reality, but that is the reality of our democracy.

BTW, he won 71% of the vote in his last election.

Recognizing democracy's drawbacks is the same as celebrating them? You sure you "think" about anything man? ;)

Yeah I think I was looking at the results of the prior election. Just a matter of degree

In fairness to the people of OK, this guy was the competition:



I'm not joking. I know nothing about the man, but try to clean up for your official photo.


Hehe dayum!
 
2013-05-21 08:38:12 AM

skullkrusher: Hobodeluxe: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah I hate democracy too. And no, it wouldn't burn Coburn, he's the one that wants it.

No, I don't hate democracy. I also don't embrace the Osama bin Laden "Vote against Bush or all of America will feel my wrath" mentality where we cavalierly talk about "government you deserve" when most elections are decided by a slim majority. Apparently some people do. That's cool.

Of course Bin Laden could have been using reverse psychology knowing how Americans would react to such a threat. But I don't see it any different than Cheney's "It's absolutely essential that eight weeks from today, on Nov. 2, we make the right choice, because if we make the wrong choice then the danger is that we'll get hit again and we'll be hit in a way that will be devastating from the standpoint of the United States,"

Now if bin Laden was making a terroristic threat couldn't the same be said about Cheney?

Ok... What's your point?


I dunno you dragged the bin Laden quote into the conversation.
 
2013-05-21 08:38:37 AM

Hobodeluxe: Satanic_Hamster: OH HO HO.

The plot thickens.

Oklahoma gets $1.35 in Federal spending for every dollar they receive in taxes.

This is a leach state.  An entire state of takers.

Yeah, we can definitely find cuts in Federal spending in this state to offset the disaster aid.

and they use that tax deficit to lure jobs from blue states.


Have you been to Oklahoma? That plan is clearly not working.

That being said, I do not approve of punishing people for the sin of voting Republican, nor do I like the idea that our already weak social contact will be further degraded to pay for this tragedy, further compounding our tragedy. It's a kind of sick perpetual sadness machine Coburn is attempting to construct in service to some numbers on a ledger.
He's bad, and the people that vote for such ideas are stupid, but helping stupid people without being dicks about it is something you should really strive to do, although I understand the temptation to rub noses in poo a little. But come on, a lot of these people had their homes striped to the foundation.
 
2013-05-21 08:39:09 AM

Hobodeluxe: GoldSpider: This will be in the news for the next week or so. Takes the news cycle attention away from the IRS, AP snooping and intimidating reporters.

nah the today show has already ran those stories this morning too. I'm guessing they won't be the main focus of attention but they are still giving them lip service once an hour.


We have 51 dead Americans. What difference at this point does it make?
 
2013-05-21 08:39:13 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: GoldSpider: This storm is, without a doubt, the best thing to happen to Democratic partisans in weeks.  It's impossible that they're going to let this opportunity go to waste.

I've read you're posts for a few years now. You're better than this.

We're going to ensure that OK gets the disaster relief it needs regardless of whether, as a state, they've been working to deny that sort of aid to other states. That's how the US works, whether they like it or not. If Coburn wants to be a dick and require that the aid be offset by budget cuts then I see no reason why OK shouldn't bear the burden of those cuts.


I would find it hilarious if those budget offsets came from Oklahoma itself. "You can have some crop subsidies or a wide scale rescue and relief effort." I would absolutely love to see that public debate.
 
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