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(Talking Points Memo)   OK Sen. Tom Coburn (R-heartless): No disaster aid for my constituents until budget cuts are made to compensate   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 289
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2013-05-21 07:56:17 AM  

Spaz-master: It's amazing how many of the respondents didn't RTFA and only this flametatic headline.

FTFA "Oklahoma Republican Sen. Tom Coburn will seek to offset federal aid to victims of amassive tornado that blasted through Oklahoma City suburbs on Monday with cuts elsewhere in the budget. "

Bookkeeping is now heartless? I guess some of you would say that the only way to have a heart is blind spending without at least trying to manage the accounts being spent?


It's about priorities.  Right now, there are potentially still people trapped in rubble waiting to be rescued.  He's concerned about a political agenda.  It's like having a fire chief ask about your personal finances to pay for their visit while they're putting out your fire.  We all know it needs to be paid for, but perhaps his head should be in the game.
 
2013-05-21 07:56:29 AM  
 
2013-05-21 07:56:31 AM  
There's a lot of defense spending in his state.  Let's get rid of that first.
 
2013-05-21 07:57:54 AM  

Dracolich: Spaz-master: It's amazing how many of the respondents didn't RTFA and only this flametatic headline.

FTFA "Oklahoma Republican Sen. Tom Coburn will seek to offset federal aid to victims of amassive tornado that blasted through Oklahoma City suburbs on Monday with cuts elsewhere in the budget. "

Bookkeeping is now heartless? I guess some of you would say that the only way to have a heart is blind spending without at least trying to manage the accounts being spent?

It's about priorities.  Right now, there are potentially still people trapped in rubble waiting to be rescued.  He's concerned about a political agenda.  It's like having a fire chief ask about your personal finances to pay for their visit while they're putting out your fire.  We all know it needs to be paid for, but perhaps his head should be in the game.


Perhaps, but he made this statement in response to the question about it... So wouldn't the member of the press be the Supreme Ultra Douche in this case, not the person who responded honestly?
 
2013-05-21 07:58:32 AM  
Can any of the few occasionally rational Republicans on this site please give me one reason to vote Republican?
 
2013-05-21 07:59:55 AM  

Dracolich: Spaz-master: It's amazing how many of the respondents didn't RTFA and only this flametatic headline.

FTFA "Oklahoma Republican Sen. Tom Coburn will seek to offset federal aid to victims of amassive tornado that blasted through Oklahoma City suburbs on Monday with cuts elsewhere in the budget. "

Bookkeeping is now heartless? I guess some of you would say that the only way to have a heart is blind spending without at least trying to manage the accounts being spent?

It's about priorities.  Right now, there are potentially still people trapped in rubble waiting to be rescued.  He's concerned about a political agenda.  It's like having a fire chief ask about your personal finances to pay for their visit while they're putting out your fire.  We all know it needs to be paid for, but perhaps his head should be in the game.


Again, FTFA:
"That's always been his position [to offset disaster aid]," a spokesman told theHuffington Post Monday night. "He supported offsets to the bill funding the OKC bombing recovery effort."
Mountain out of Molehill

insert outrage meme here....
///obligatory
 
2013-05-21 07:59:56 AM  
Fine.  I'm sure we can find budget cuts of Federal spending in Oklahoma to compensate.
 
2013-05-21 08:01:05 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Fine.  I'm sure we can find budget cuts of Federal spending in Oklahoma to compensate.


yeah! Fark those poor and needy in OK! That'll show Coburn!

This is why you people aren't nearly as wise or compassionate as you like to tell each other you are.
 
2013-05-21 08:02:16 AM  

Dracolich: Spaz-master: It's amazing how many of the respondents didn't RTFA and only this flametatic headline.

FTFA "Oklahoma Republican Sen. Tom Coburn will seek to offset federal aid to victims of amassive tornado that blasted through Oklahoma City suburbs on Monday with cuts elsewhere in the budget. "

Bookkeeping is now heartless? I guess some of you would say that the only way to have a heart is blind spending without at least trying to manage the accounts being spent?

It's about priorities.  Right now, there are potentially still people trapped in rubble waiting to be rescued.  He's concerned about a political agenda.  It's like having a fire chief ask about your personal finances to pay for their visit while they're putting out your fire.  We all know it needs to be paid for, but perhaps his head should be in the game.


Exactly... All the bodies haven't even been recovered yet, and this shameless asshole is already using the disaster to push his political bullshiat. It's pathetic, but it's what I've come to expect from Republicans lately.
 
2013-05-21 08:02:55 AM  

skullkrusher: Satanic_Hamster: Fine.  I'm sure we can find budget cuts of Federal spending in Oklahoma to compensate.

yeah! Fark those poor and needy in OK! That'll show Coburn!

This is why you people aren't nearly as wise or compassionate as you like to tell each other you are.


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2013-05-21 08:03:26 AM  

skullkrusher: Satanic_Hamster: Fine.  I'm sure we can find budget cuts of Federal spending in Oklahoma to compensate.

yeah! Fark those poor and needy in OK! That'll show Coburn!

This is why you people aren't nearly as wise or compassionate as you like to tell each other you are.


"They that sow the wind, shall reap the whirlwind"
 
2013-05-21 08:03:35 AM  

Spaz-master: Dracolich: Spaz-master: It's amazing how many of the respondents didn't RTFA and only this flametatic headline.

FTFA "Oklahoma Republican Sen. Tom Coburn will seek to offset federal aid to victims of amassive tornado that blasted through Oklahoma City suburbs on Monday with cuts elsewhere in the budget. "

Bookkeeping is now heartless? I guess some of you would say that the only way to have a heart is blind spending without at least trying to manage the accounts being spent?

It's about priorities.  Right now, there are potentially still people trapped in rubble waiting to be rescued.  He's concerned about a political agenda.  It's like having a fire chief ask about your personal finances to pay for their visit while they're putting out your fire.  We all know it needs to be paid for, but perhaps his head should be in the game.

Perhaps, but he made this statement in response to the question about it... So wouldn't the member of the press be the Supreme Ultra Douche in this case, not the person who responded honestly?


Yeah man, the press is totally at fault for Coburn's policies.
 
2013-05-21 08:03:35 AM  

Spaz-master: Average Farker


....and? is there anything wrong with that?
 
2013-05-21 08:04:24 AM  
What an ass. He knows the Federal government is the only way these people are going to get help and he's holding it back from them.
 
2013-05-21 08:05:03 AM  
Something something something government you deserve.
 
2013-05-21 08:05:19 AM  

Giant Clown Shoe: [wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net image 594x425]

"Shanna, they bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into. I say, let 'em crash."

/f'ing career politician against government
//ass cancer, please get it


Technically he's also a gynecologist who seems to know nothing about women.
 
2013-05-21 08:05:34 AM  
Can't wait to read what all the RWNJ sites that said New York and New Jersey shouldn't get any federal aid have to say about this.  I bet they'll criticize the government for not helping people in Oklahoma fast enough.
 
2013-05-21 08:06:07 AM  
He had to choose between being heartless and being hypocritical.
 
2013-05-21 08:06:15 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Spaz-master: Dracolich: Spaz-master: It's amazing how many of the respondents didn't RTFA and only this flametatic headline.

FTFA "Oklahoma Republican Sen. Tom Coburn will seek to offset federal aid to victims of amassive tornado that blasted through Oklahoma City suburbs on Monday with cuts elsewhere in the budget. "

Bookkeeping is now heartless? I guess some of you would say that the only way to have a heart is blind spending without at least trying to manage the accounts being spent?

It's about priorities.  Right now, there are potentially still people trapped in rubble waiting to be rescued.  He's concerned about a political agenda.  It's like having a fire chief ask about your personal finances to pay for their visit while they're putting out your fire.  We all know it needs to be paid for, but perhaps his head should be in the game.

Perhaps, but he made this statement in response to the question about it... So wouldn't the member of the press be the Supreme Ultra Douche in this case, not the person who responded honestly?

Yeah man, the press is totally at fault for Coburn's policies.


So responding with a "Yes, we will offset this spending as before" is the heartless aspect, not the press member who inflamed something so obvious.  Do you also get angered when people point out that water is wet and that the sky is blue?  How heartless of them.
 
2013-05-21 08:06:49 AM  

Hobodeluxe: skullkrusher: Satanic_Hamster: Fine.  I'm sure we can find budget cuts of Federal spending in Oklahoma to compensate.

yeah! Fark those poor and needy in OK! That'll show Coburn!

This is why you people aren't nearly as wise or compassionate as you like to tell each other you are.

"They that sow the wind, shall reap the whirlwind"


care to elaborate on that or are you pretty sure you've already said enough?
 
2013-05-21 08:07:00 AM  

skullkrusher: Satanic_Hamster: Fine.  I'm sure we can find budget cuts of Federal spending in Oklahoma to compensate.

yeah! Fark those poor and needy in OK! That'll show Coburn!

This is why you people aren't nearly as wise or compassionate as you like to tell each other you are.


The alternative is federal spending gets cut elsewhere, negatively impacting poor and needy there.

Coburn's state actually feeling the effects of his decision making seems a perfectly cromulent compromise.
 
2013-05-21 08:07:11 AM  

Almost Everybody Poops: Spaz-master: Average Farker

....and? is there anything wrong with that?


It does make for more interesting days at work.
 
2013-05-21 08:07:39 AM  
He's pulling a "Ron Paul". He knows the bill to authorize disaster funding will pass, he wangs it to pass and will almost certainly make sure it includes some goodies for his district but will vote against it so he can claim to have fought against spending.
 
2013-05-21 08:08:05 AM  

Spaz-master: Perhaps, but he made this statement in response to the question about it... So wouldn't the member of the press be the Supreme Ultra Douche in this case, not the person who responded honestly?


He could have stuck to his principles without coming across as a colossally-heartless douche by answering something along the lines of "There will be plenty of time to debate the budgetary implications of disaster aid after everyone is safe."
 
2013-05-21 08:09:06 AM  

Spaz-master: HotWingConspiracy: Spaz-master: Dracolich: Spaz-master: It's amazing how many of the respondents didn't RTFA and only this flametatic headline.

FTFA "Oklahoma Republican Sen. Tom Coburn will seek to offset federal aid to victims of amassive tornado that blasted through Oklahoma City suburbs on Monday with cuts elsewhere in the budget. "

Bookkeeping is now heartless? I guess some of you would say that the only way to have a heart is blind spending without at least trying to manage the accounts being spent?

It's about priorities.  Right now, there are potentially still people trapped in rubble waiting to be rescued.  He's concerned about a political agenda.  It's like having a fire chief ask about your personal finances to pay for their visit while they're putting out your fire.  We all know it needs to be paid for, but perhaps his head should be in the game.

Perhaps, but he made this statement in response to the question about it... So wouldn't the member of the press be the Supreme Ultra Douche in this case, not the person who responded honestly?

Yeah man, the press is totally at fault for Coburn's policies.

So responding with a "Yes, we will offset this spending as before" is the heartless aspect, not the press member who inflamed something so obvious.  Do you also get angered when people point out that water is wet and that the sky is blue?  How heartless of them.


maybe they saw how fun scandalizin' was and want to find one of their very own.
Coburn spokesman asked a question about disaster aid. Spokesman says that Coburn's position is that disaster aid should be offset by cuts elsewhere. ZOMG WHY DOES HE WANT TO LEAVE CHILDREN BURIED IN THE RUBBBBBBBLES?!
 
2013-05-21 08:10:27 AM  
A rational, caring person would have answered the question, "We'll worry about that after we get these people the help and resources they need..."
 
2013-05-21 08:10:44 AM  
skullkrusher:

maybe they saw how fun scandalizin' was and want to find one of their very own.
Coburn spokesman asked a question about disaster aid. Spokesman says that Coburn's position is that disaster aid should be offset by cuts elsewhere. ZOMG WHY DOES HE WANT TO LEAVE CHILDREN BURIED IN THE RUBBBBBBBLES?!


THIS
 
2013-05-21 08:10:50 AM  

Spaz-master: HotWingConspiracy: Spaz-master: Dracolich: Spaz-master: It's amazing how many of the respondents didn't RTFA and only this flametatic headline.

FTFA "Oklahoma Republican Sen. Tom Coburn will seek to offset federal aid to victims of amassive tornado that blasted through Oklahoma City suburbs on Monday with cuts elsewhere in the budget. "

Bookkeeping is now heartless? I guess some of you would say that the only way to have a heart is blind spending without at least trying to manage the accounts being spent?

It's about priorities.  Right now, there are potentially still people trapped in rubble waiting to be rescued.  He's concerned about a political agenda.  It's like having a fire chief ask about your personal finances to pay for their visit while they're putting out your fire.  We all know it needs to be paid for, but perhaps his head should be in the game.

Perhaps, but he made this statement in response to the question about it... So wouldn't the member of the press be the Supreme Ultra Douche in this case, not the person who responded honestly?

Yeah man, the press is totally at fault for Coburn's policies.

So responding with a "Yes, we will offset this spending as before" is the heartless aspect,


Yes. Well, that and the policy itself.

not the press member who inflamed something so obvious.

Inflamed? Do you understand what the press does? They ask people questions. They aren't responsible for the answers.

Do you also get angered when people point out that water is wet and that the sky is blue?  How heartless of them.


This probably sounded pretty clever in your head.
 
2013-05-21 08:11:00 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: The alternative is federal spending gets cut elsewhere, negatively impacting poor and needy there.


So it IS true that all our federal spending is on the poor?  shiat, that's a problem

HotWingConspiracy: Coburn's state actually feeling the effects of his decision making seems a perfectly cromulent compromise.


yeah, about half of whom voted for the other guy. Sins of the neighbor is good enough cuz boy would that burn Coburn!
 
2013-05-21 08:12:12 AM  

skullkrusher: Hobodeluxe: skullkrusher: Satanic_Hamster: Fine.  I'm sure we can find budget cuts of Federal spending in Oklahoma to compensate.

yeah! Fark those poor and needy in OK! That'll show Coburn!

This is why you people aren't nearly as wise or compassionate as you like to tell each other you are.

"They that sow the wind, shall reap the whirlwind"

care to elaborate on that or are you pretty sure you've already said enough?


No I think that works really well on a couple of levels.

see it paraphrases the old adage "you get the govt you deserve" on one level
and on the other it ties it into the current situation these people are in.

do you not think that voting against your own interests should ever have a cost?
not very bootstrappy of you.

and yes my heart goes out to those people. and yes I'm being sarcastic. but I revel in pointing out people's hypocrisy.
especially when it bites them in the ass so hard.
 
2013-05-21 08:12:17 AM  
What the folks in Oklahoma need are more tax cuts.  That'll get this whole thing sorted out.
 
2013-05-21 08:12:25 AM  

Spaz-master: skullkrusher:

maybe they saw how fun scandalizin' was and want to find one of their very own.
Coburn spokesman asked a question about disaster aid. Spokesman says that Coburn's position is that disaster aid should be offset by cuts elsewhere. ZOMG WHY DOES HE WANT TO LEAVE CHILDREN BURIED IN THE RUBBBBBBBLES?!

THIS


Coburn is a shiatbag but my my my the Fark left is particularly frothy these days
 
2013-05-21 08:13:12 AM  

skullkrusher: Satanic_Hamster: Fine.  I'm sure we can find budget cuts of Federal spending in Oklahoma to compensate.

yeah! Fark those poor and needy in OK! That'll show Coburn!

This is why you people aren't nearly as wise or compassionate as you like to tell each other you are.


Wait.  So you're saying that Senator Coburn, the Tea Party, and Republicans in general aren't compassionate or wise?  Because this is the sort of idea that they've been embracing and voting for in near lockstep the past few years.  You recall the rage from Rep. King over all the other Republicans blocking aid to NY?

Oklahoma elected Coburn.  They obviously approve of his ideas.  Why should people of other states have to pay with money and jobs to make up for what happens in Oklahoma?  The entire state didn't get destroyed, surely we can find federal cuts else where in the state to pay for the disaster recovery in the small portion that did.
 
2013-05-21 08:13:35 AM  
HotWingConspiracy:

Do you also get angered when people point out that water is wet and that the sky is blue?  How heartless of them.

This probably sounded pretty clever in your head.


And I am sure you do in your head as well
 
2013-05-21 08:13:45 AM  

tbhouston: People too stupid to not have life insurance and tornado insurance shouldn't be bailed out by the government


I wonder how different the U.S. would look if it were federally mandated that every home and business have flood/fire/earthquake/tornado/hurricane/whatever insurance, with rates based on actual risk and replacement costs.

Quick, someone whip up a SimCity mod!
 
2013-05-21 08:14:00 AM  
Give him some credit, most Republicans are against aid for everyone else but want money bags for their own state.

He is a nut, but an honest one.
 
2013-05-21 08:14:03 AM  

Hobodeluxe: skullkrusher: Hobodeluxe: skullkrusher: Satanic_Hamster: Fine.  I'm sure we can find budget cuts of Federal spending in Oklahoma to compensate.

yeah! Fark those poor and needy in OK! That'll show Coburn!

This is why you people aren't nearly as wise or compassionate as you like to tell each other you are.

"They that sow the wind, shall reap the whirlwind"

care to elaborate on that or are you pretty sure you've already said enough?

No I think that works really well on a couple of levels.

see it paraphrases the old adage "you get the govt you deserve" on one level
and on the other it ties it into the current situation these people are in.

do you not think that voting against your own interests should ever have a cost?
not very bootstrappy of you.

and yes my heart goes out to those people. and yes I'm being sarcastic. but I revel in pointing out people's hypocrisy.
especially when it bites them in the ass so hard.


47% of voters voted for someone else in the last Senate election in OK. Here's where the you're not as wise as you like to tell each other you are bit comes in
 
2013-05-21 08:14:49 AM  

Electrify: The saddest part is that Oklahoma will still vote Republican despite this.


I'm really torn on this issue. On one hand I have very real compassion for the people who's lived have been shattered by yesterdays storm. On the other, I'd like to see the people of Oklahoma get precisely the level of government that they've been demanding.

Pro Tip, Oklahoma: A federal government that you can drown in a bathtub can't help you rebuild your home and business when they're taken to Oz.
 
2013-05-21 08:14:56 AM  
Blood for the blood god.

/who is apparently Jesus
 
2013-05-21 08:15:07 AM  

skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: The alternative is federal spending gets cut elsewhere, negatively impacting poor and needy there.

So it IS true that all our federal spending is on the poor?  shiat, that's a problem


No, I was just going with your line. I don't know why you believe that.

HotWingConspiracy: Coburn's state actually feeling the effects of his decision making seems a perfectly cromulent compromise.

yeah, about half of whom voted for the other guy. Sins of the neighbor is good enough cuz boy would that burn Coburn!


Yeah I hate democracy too. And no, it wouldn't burn Coburn, he's the one that wants it.
 
2013-05-21 08:15:11 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: So you're saying that Senator Coburn, the Tea Party, and Republicans in general aren't compassionate or wise?


sure. Wow, that assumption sure backfired on ya, huh?
 
2013-05-21 08:15:20 AM  

Electriclectic: I think I actually appreciate this more than Ted Cruz saying disaster relief is pork, then turning around and asking for it after the Waco explosion. This Oklahoma guy might be an asshole, but at least he's consistent.

Consistently evil and ignorant, but consistent nonetheless.


Agreed, I have more respect for this man than Ted Cruz, even if I disagree with him.  Ted Cruz is essentially a Tea Party puppet.
 
2013-05-21 08:15:51 AM  

skullkrusher: Spaz-master: skullkrusher:

maybe they saw how fun scandalizin' was and want to find one of their very own.
Coburn spokesman asked a question about disaster aid. Spokesman says that Coburn's position is that disaster aid should be offset by cuts elsewhere. ZOMG WHY DOES HE WANT TO LEAVE CHILDREN BURIED IN THE RUBBBBBBBLES?!

THIS

Coburn is a shiatbag but my my my the Fark left is particularly frothy these days


Exactly.
They are wasting some unresolved anger on something like this.  Perhaps the scandal rumours have caused more butthurt than previously known.
 
2013-05-21 08:15:56 AM  

Spaz-master: HotWingConspiracy:

Do you also get angered when people point out that water is wet and that the sky is blue?  How heartless of them.

This probably sounded pretty clever in your head.

And I am sure you do in your head as well


Sick burn bro
 
2013-05-21 08:16:24 AM  

Mr. Titanium: AdolfOliverPanties: This is the mindset of today's GOP.  Millions of dollars towards useless gestures like voting to repeal Obamacare, billions of dollars fo outdated and unused military programs, but for AMERICANS that really need help?  Fark them.

And this guy is even FROM Oklahoma?  What a farking piece of shiat.

I'm not sure you caught what he is saying.  His constituents can have aid, but some other part of the budget has to be cut to make up for it.  Let someone ELSE suffer!


If that's his position, fine; cut enough non-emergency Federal aid to Oklahoma to offset the relief funding then. Cut highway construction money, military base budgets, Federal money to prisons & universities, etc.
 
2013-05-21 08:17:23 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Yeah I hate democracy too. And no, it wouldn't burn Coburn, he's the one that wants it.


No, I don't hate democracy. I also don't embrace the Osama bin Laden "Vote against Bush or all of America will feel my wrath" mentality where we cavalierly talk about "government you deserve" when most elections are decided by a slim majority. Apparently some people do. That's cool.
 
2013-05-21 08:17:24 AM  
BOOTSTRAPS!
 
2013-05-21 08:17:29 AM  

skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: The alternative is federal spending gets cut elsewhere, negatively impacting poor and needy there.

So it IS true that all our federal spending is on the poor?  shiat, that's a problem

HotWingConspiracy: Coburn's state actually feeling the effects of his decision making seems a perfectly cromulent compromise.

yeah, about half of whom voted for the other guy. Sins of the neighbor is good enough cuz boy would that burn Coburn!


yeah well that is how things work. we can't just give to the people who vote for social programs and emergency funds. the selfish get the same relief.
it's like how the red states get money from the blue states because they don't tax their people accordingly. they keep their taxes lower depending on others to supplement them. all the while stealing jobs from them because of their tax policies.
 
2013-05-21 08:17:39 AM  
Liberals: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.

Republicans: Me. It's all about me.
 
2013-05-21 08:18:37 AM  

Spaz-master: skullkrusher: Spaz-master: skullkrusher:

maybe they saw how fun scandalizin' was and want to find one of their very own.
Coburn spokesman asked a question about disaster aid. Spokesman says that Coburn's position is that disaster aid should be offset by cuts elsewhere. ZOMG WHY DOES HE WANT TO LEAVE CHILDREN BURIED IN THE RUBBBBBBBLES?!

THIS

Coburn is a shiatbag but my my my the Fark left is particularly frothy these days

Exactly.
They are wasting some unresolved anger on something like this.  Perhaps the scandal rumours have caused more butthurt than previously known.


I think they should be happy that this Coburn story has given them a chance to say something aside from "It was ok when Bush did it though!"
 
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