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2013-05-20 11:06:14 PM  

Aquapope: Uchiha_Cycliste: I'll bet we are doing a hell of a lot better than we were a hundred years ago. I can't imagine what the cost would be if we had yesterday's technology and today's residential density. These super outbreaks are tragic in every way. At  least we know that there are people working all over to warn people and minimize damage before hand and save lives after the fact.

Just 40 years ago my dad was City Manager of a town in southern Kansas.  We knew a tornado was likely or not... but still when one actually appeared and he had to go to the Emergency Management Center, it usually happened after 11pm and the storm turned from "possible" to "gonna happen" in about 15 minutes.  So he got to the EMC just about when the tornado formed, unless he didn't and it came out of nowhere.  He told me earlier tonight he would have killed for the heads-up they have today.  Moving first responders so well, so quickly, so precisely based on meteorological knowledge and prediction is incredible.  If Joplin had happened in '74, triple the deaths.

Yeah, the sirens go off here when there's a tornado a whole 10 miles away... and goddamn meteorologist Katy Horner cuts into my shows cuz weather makes her wet... but it's really just a way of somebody saying "hey, you could die tonight, so pay a little attention."


Okay before I decide you're an idiot or a troll do you live near the county line? Although even then I'm not sure that would make a difference the way NWS does tornado warnings now.
For now I'm not really believing you or your town has a very poor warning system.
 
2013-05-20 11:06:33 PM  
Holy hell...

I've lived in the Midwest for 35 years, and the absolute power and destructiveness of these things never ceases to amaze me.
 
2013-05-20 11:07:06 PM  
Damnit, Fark. 

Uchiha_Cycliste: Man On Pink Corner:  Chaos theory.  How does it work?

dependably!


golfclap.gif

/Since it's too large and whatnot.
 
2013-05-20 11:09:06 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: IronTom: jimmyjackfunk: IronTom: There should be a prize for designing affordable tornado-proof housing.

Definitely THIS. In 2011 after the storm shelter measure failed, our city manager suggested instead of people complaining about trailer parks and apartment needing them that we needed to go out into the neighborhoods meet the residents and find out who had shelters, get to know them and next time severe weather comes go to your new "friends" house. Needless to say he isn't too popular with the folks who live in the nicer homes with shelters having to contend with Jim Bob showing up at their house.

/true all people are not this way but in an emergency are you really going to wait for someone you barely know when there might be more pressing issues at hand?

You would think that all trailer parks would have a storm shelter.  It doesn't have to be deep, people could lay down or sit in it, as it would only be populated for the duration of the storm.

I was reading last night that some trailer parks aren't required to have a shelter; but if they don't they need to advertise that fact. So it's the option between building a shelter or a big sign that says no shelter.


I believe that was my post last night and my trailer park. And yes they installed a sign you can still see the vents from the old cellars that were filled in. The nerve though that after our storm when we complained we were told that a new swimming pool was more important than a shelter because the residents wanted a pool and a shelter was more of a liability than a pool with no lifeguards and teenagers acting as "monitors"
 
2013-05-20 11:09:58 PM  

ArtosRC: Damnit, Fark. 

Uchiha_Cycliste: Man On Pink Corner:  Chaos theory.  How does it work?

dependably!

golfclap.gif

/Since it's too large and whatnot.


doesn't it suck when fark lets you paste in a picture and then tells you it's too big when you hit post?
I feel your pain.
 
2013-05-20 11:10:47 PM  

jimmyjackfunk: IronTom: There should be a prize for designing affordable tornado-proof housing.

Definitely THIS. In 2011 after the storm shelter measure failed, our city manager suggested instead of people complaining about trailer parks and apartment needing them that we needed to go out into the neighborhoods meet the residents and find out who had shelters, get to know them and next time severe weather comes go to your new "friends" house. Needless to say he isn't too popular with the folks who live in the nicer homes with shelters having to contend with Jim Bob showing up at their house.

/true all people are not this way but in an emergency are you really going to wait for someone you barely know when there might be more pressing issues at hand?


Stupid thing is we have it. Heck, there was even a test done on nuke-proof construction back in the late 40's during the above ground nuclear tests that spawned as a competition between the construction guys and the engineers. (The construction guys won, as I remember. I can't find a link for a citation but I heard this from a reputable source.)

The problem is, for whatever reason, people don't want to live in homes that look like hobbit holes. And I can't imagine why. They are generally much more efficent to heat and cool and offer some other benefits as well.
 
2013-05-20 11:10:50 PM  

Corbow6: Fort Smith resident here. It's calmed down a bit in the city for now. It started to get pretty hairy about 30 minutes ago but nothing developed here. Strangely enough, I was also a Joplin resident when the May 22nd one hit. Good times... >_>


Good to hear all is well in NW Arkansas.
 
2013-05-20 11:11:13 PM  
All right I'm ending this with the live feed, saw too much of this today and I hope this system weakens as it makes it's eastward movement.
 
2013-05-20 11:11:29 PM  

aedude01: That woman has one hell of a black eye. Anyone know the source of the photo?


Found it on the BBC website - the original caption reads "Teachers evacuated pupils from another school - Briarwood Elementary - which was also hit by the twister."
 
2013-05-20 11:11:33 PM  

Random Name Generator: What is it about Tulsa that tornadoes avoid?


Professional courtesy. Tulsa sucks enough already.
 
2013-05-20 11:11:35 PM  
lh4.googleusercontent.com
Shot of the hospital/mangled car pile (was 7-8 cars in there)

lh4.googleusercontent.com

Remains of the 7-11 (across the street from my child's daycare- thankfully nobody hurt or killed at daycare, a man, woman and 5mo old did perish at the 7-11)


lh6.googleusercontent.com
 
2013-05-20 11:11:35 PM  

mikaloyd: aedude01: carnifex2005: Heartbreaking pic...

[i.imgur.com image 850x505]

That woman has one hell of a black eye.  Anyone know the source of the photo?

The guy in the center is photoshopped


That's not what I meant.  I meant that it was a good photo and I wanted to look at others from the source.
 
2013-05-20 11:12:01 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: doesn't it suck when fark lets you paste in a picture and then tells you it's too big when you hit post? I feel your pain.


i.imgur.com

I suppose a dirty, boring .JPG will have to suffice.
 
2013-05-20 11:12:02 PM  

jimmyjackfunk: Uchiha_Cycliste: IronTom: jimmyjackfunk: IronTom: There should be a prize for designing affordable tornado-proof housing.

Definitely THIS. In 2011 after the storm shelter measure failed, our city manager suggested instead of people complaining about trailer parks and apartment needing them that we needed to go out into the neighborhoods meet the residents and find out who had shelters, get to know them and next time severe weather comes go to your new "friends" house. Needless to say he isn't too popular with the folks who live in the nicer homes with shelters having to contend with Jim Bob showing up at their house.

/true all people are not this way but in an emergency are you really going to wait for someone you barely know when there might be more pressing issues at hand?

You would think that all trailer parks would have a storm shelter.  It doesn't have to be deep, people could lay down or sit in it, as it would only be populated for the duration of the storm.

I was reading last night that some trailer parks aren't required to have a shelter; but if they don't they need to advertise that fact. So it's the option between building a shelter or a big sign that says no shelter.

I believe that was my post last night and my trailer park. And yes they installed a sign you can still see the vents from the old cellars that were filled in. The nerve though that after our storm when we complained we were told that a new swimming pool was more important than a shelter because the residents wanted a pool and a shelter was more of a liability than a pool with no lifeguards and teenagers acting as "monitors"


Wow... talk about priorities!

Though... it would be biatching if you could do both. Have a button that drains the pool in like 30 seconds and has a  big mechanical ceiling that covers the pool top. Then you could have both for the cost of one hole.
 
2013-05-20 11:13:51 PM  
Situations like this leave me at a loss for words to express what they must be going through. A
 
2013-05-20 11:14:03 PM  

basemetal: DesktopHippie: At least it looks like some people were safe even right in the path of this thing.

[news.bbcimg.co.uk image 384x216]

Gotta get up for work in a few hours. Calling it a night. Stay safe and be well, Oklahoma farkers.

That reminds me.  All of you youngins, I know you love your flip flops and sandals, but for gods sake, when you go to a storm shelter, wear some real shoes, because you don't want to be walking around in that mess wearing stupid flip flops.


Yes, and even with good shoes don't let your kids run around.  Also, watch where you are going.  A friend got sucked out of his house during the May 3, 1999 tornado and luckily was not injured except for a few scrapes and bruises.  His biggest injury was stepping on nail when he was searching the wreckage.
 
2013-05-20 11:14:25 PM  
Warnings are popping up again, and mesos are all over the line. There are few things more terrifying than a night twister.
 
2013-05-20 11:16:06 PM  

ArtosRC: Uchiha_Cycliste: doesn't it suck when fark lets you paste in a picture and then tells you it's too big when you hit post? I feel your pain.

[i.imgur.com image 276x182]

I suppose a dirty, boring .JPG will have to suffice.


I always really liked Salem. And Sabrina for that matter. But for entirely different reasons.
 
2013-05-20 11:16:34 PM  

Flying Lasagna Monster: aedude01: That woman has one hell of a black eye. Anyone know the source of the photo?

Found it on the BBC website - the original caption reads "Teachers evacuated pupils from another school - Briarwood Elementary - which was also hit by the twister."


Thank you.
 
2013-05-20 11:18:36 PM  

Aquapope: Uchiha_Cycliste: 8th in population, 9th in pop. density. 94th in area and 44 in GDP. I can see how that adds up to disasters

Right, which makes comparing Bangladesh to anything specious.  Substandard everything and too many people stressing that everything.  People gonna die, and people are pretty much an inexhaustible commodity, so you can't compare it to... pretty much anywhere except India and China.


I don't think that's fair. The question is consequences of tornadoes. There is no reason to discount an area because  of it's position on the socio-economic totem pole. If anything it gives us a benchmark for how much good our structures and warning system are really doing.
 
2013-05-20 11:19:17 PM  
 
2013-05-20 11:19:28 PM  

punk.canuck: That said, you don't need to build a shelter below ground level, you can cover buildings with dirt, or into the side of man made hills.
that should take care of flying debris and flooding issues.

Fair Enough

Alternatively go with foot thick reinforced concrete walls and roofs. even throwing a couple dozen cars at speed at the same location at a wall like that shouldn't be a problem as a properly designed building should have appropriate buffer areas that are sacrificial before damage reaches shelter areas.

So far I haven't seen any reason why the above won't work beyond, it will add cost. Are there engineering difficulty's absolutely, insurmountable difficulties, or particularly new or difficult problems? No. engineers aren't trying to solve fusion here.

So the question, from a strictly monetary view is, How much tax would those children have paid in their lives. Would that have paid for a reinforced school? That i can't answer.


You're right.  There is absolutely no excuse for elementary schools in "Tornado Alley" to not have tornado shelters.  If they can't dig, a concrete block house on the surface with earth piled on all sides would work.  Those sorts of above ground shelters could be mostly prefabricated and trucked to a site.

The ONLY reason these schools didn't have tornado shelters is because of the cheap motherfarker city and town councilors.  Elected officials, many of whom probably send their precious ones to private schools anyway, decided it wasn't worth the money.

What other reason could there be?

The elected officials should be strung up over this.  This is why we need regulations.  Oklahoma should mandate tornado shelters for all schools.

/Good luck with that
 
2013-05-20 11:20:02 PM  

bkosh84: I used to live in Midwest City so this hurts... I hope all my old friends are still doing okay. I've never seen anything like this.


agreed, went to high school in Jenks

/MWC and Jenks was a great football rivalry in early 90s
//I was a swimmer, Westmoore was our rival
///I hope everyone is okay and the death toll is minimal
 
2013-05-20 11:20:05 PM  
Here is the one thing I just can't figure out about this whole situation...

What does Norton LiveUpdate have to do with it?
 
2013-05-20 11:20:57 PM  

12349876: Fiction Fan: TV affiliates in OKC reporting debris from the  Moore, Ok tornado found as far away as Branson.

----
Jeezus. Who the hell goes to Branson? Not a very classy tornado.

I'll pass on writing it down to be sensitive, but if you're in the mood feel free to create your own Yakov Smirnoff joke for this one.


Well in the big ones that hit the southeast like a couple of years ago there was debris from Tuscaloosa in Knoxville.
 
2013-05-20 11:21:59 PM  

punk.canuck: That said, you don't need to build a shelter below ground level, you can cover buildings with dirt, or into the side of man made hills.
that should take care of flying debris and flooding issues.

Alternatively go with foot thick reinforced concrete walls and roofs.  even throwing a couple dozen cars at speed at the same location at a wall like that shouldn't be a problem as a properly designed building should have appropriate buffer areas that are sacrificial before damage reaches shelter areas.

So far I haven't seen any reason why the above won't work beyond, it will add cost.  Are there engineering difficulty's absolutely,  insurmountable difficulties, or particularly new or difficult problems? No.  engineers aren't trying to solve fusion here.


Schools built in the early days of cinder block constructions used double thick walls that were mortar filled for some areas of the halls.  That was mostly discontinued after duck-and-cover wasn't going to work anymore.

A bit of drain pipe big enough to craw in makes a very good shelter up to about an F3.  Above that, it can become a very good projectile unless you can make sure it is attached to the ground. With F5 tornados, you get enough rain that you needs some very good drainage which makes holes a problem.  Much of Oklahoma is covered with red clay so if you dig a hole, it will fill up with water and snakes.
 
2013-05-20 11:22:20 PM  

BlueFalconPunch: jimmyjackfunk: IronTom: There should be a prize for designing affordable tornado-proof housing.

Definitely THIS. In 2011 after the storm shelter measure failed, our city manager suggested instead of people complaining about trailer parks and apartment needing them that we needed to go out into the neighborhoods meet the residents and find out who had shelters, get to know them and next time severe weather comes go to your new "friends" house. Needless to say he isn't too popular with the folks who live in the nicer homes with shelters having to contend with Jim Bob showing up at their house.

/true all people are not this way but in an emergency are you really going to wait for someone you barely know when there might be more pressing issues at hand?

Stupid thing is we have it. Heck, there was even a test done on nuke-proof construction back in the late 40's during the above ground nuclear tests that spawned as a competition between the construction guys and the engineers. (The construction guys won, as I remember. I can't find a link for a citation but I heard this from a reputable source.)

The problem is, for whatever reason, people don't want to live in homes that look like hobbit holes. And I can't imagine why. They are generally much more efficent to heat and cool and offer some other benefits as well.


They would be more secure from break-ins, less electromagnetic radiation, quieter.  But they don;t look 'Victorian' or have quaint rectangular windows and those shingle things.
 
2013-05-20 11:22:28 PM  

Random Name Generator: Radar loop for Moore Tornado


Damn
 
2013-05-20 11:23:17 PM  

b0rg9: Shadow Blasko: http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130519232437AAtBm8P


OK -- I'm speechless.


He's clearly asking to be a smartass. He admits he's trolling.
 
2013-05-20 11:24:12 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: jimmyjackfunk: Uchiha_Cycliste: IronTom: jimmyjackfunk: IronTom: There should be a prize for designing affordable tornado-proof housing.

Definitely THIS. In 2011 after the storm shelter measure failed, our city manager suggested instead of people complaining about trailer parks and apartment needing them that we needed to go out into the neighborhoods meet the residents and find out who had shelters, get to know them and next time severe weather comes go to your new "friends" house. Needless to say he isn't too popular with the folks who live in the nicer homes with shelters having to contend with Jim Bob showing up at their house.

/true all people are not this way but in an emergency are you really going to wait for someone you barely know when there might be more pressing issues at hand?

You would think that all trailer parks would have a storm shelter.  It doesn't have to be deep, people could lay down or sit in it, as it would only be populated for the duration of the storm.

I was reading last night that some trailer parks aren't required to have a shelter; but if they don't they need to advertise that fact. So it's the option between building a shelter or a big sign that says no shelter.

I believe that was my post last night and my trailer park. And yes they installed a sign you can still see the vents from the old cellars that were filled in. The nerve though that after our storm when we complained we were told that a new swimming pool was more important than a shelter because the residents wanted a pool and a shelter was more of a liability than a pool with no lifeguards and teenagers acting as "monitors"

Wow... talk about priorities!

Though... it would be biatching if you could do both. Have a button that drains the pool in like 30 seconds and has a  big mechanical ceiling that covers the pool top. Then you could have both for the cost of one hole.


That is a farking awesome idea.  Really.
 
2013-05-20 11:24:20 PM  

Oldiron_79: 12349876: Fiction Fan: TV affiliates in OKC reporting debris from the  Moore, Ok tornado found as far away as Branson.

----
Jeezus. Who the hell goes to Branson? Not a very classy tornado.

I'll pass on writing it down to be sensitive, but if you're in the mood feel free to create your own Yakov Smirnoff joke for this one.

Well in the big ones that hit the southeast like a couple of years ago there was debris from Tuscaloosa in Knoxville.


Uh, the reason for me thinking of Yakov was BRANSON, where he owns a theater and almost exclusively performs there.  Nothing to do with the tornado.
 
2013-05-20 11:24:29 PM  
If tornadoes in Kansas bring you to Oz, where do tornadoes in Oklahoma bring you?

-----------------

Cleveland?
 
2013-05-20 11:25:59 PM  

The Downfall: b0rg9: Shadow Blasko: http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130519232437AAtBm8P


OK -- I'm speechless.

He's clearly asking to be a smartass. He admits he's trolling.


I can't believe Bengazi got slipped in there.
 
2013-05-20 11:27:27 PM  
I wonder if I'm the only one who saw KFOR out of Oklahoma City interview a black guy named Lando?

It's the only smile I've been able to muster on this horrible day.
 
2013-05-20 11:27:41 PM  
One of the things that is as stomach-turning as the death and damages is the sheer number of police calls I'm hearing on the scanners for LOOTERS. Every cop having to chase these sub-human dog-shiat sucking leeches is a cop that could be helping find and/or dig out a person buried or injured. I would have no problem with a Martial Law decree being instated when something disasterous happens - looters get summary execution.


/was dirt poor for a lot of my life
//no sympathy for scum
 
2013-05-20 11:28:14 PM  
Interestingly, the tornado did not appear to dig into the ground, nor do hurricanes, or snowstorms.
 
2013-05-20 11:28:31 PM  

DON.MAC: A bit of drain pipe big enough to craw in makes a very good shelter up to about an F3.


Speaking as an explorer of ruins and the underground; when it rains, NO DRAINS. This is a very foolish idea.
 
2013-05-20 11:29:26 PM  

ArtosRC: Warnings are popping up again, and mesos are all over the line. There are few things more terrifying than a night twister.


Well horse shiat, One of those are aimed my way.

/no sleep just yet.
 
2013-05-20 11:29:47 PM  

Captain Swoop: One of the things that is as stomach-turning as the death and damages is the sheer number of police calls I'm hearing on the scanners for LOOTERS. Every cop having to chase these sub-human dog-shiat sucking leeches is a cop that could be helping find and/or dig out a person buried or injured. I would have no problem with a Martial Law decree being instated when something disasterous happens - looters get summary execution.


/was dirt poor for a lot of my life
//no sympathy for scum


Too bad we can't do that. One cop on a motorcycle with approval to shoot on site would free up so many others.
 
2013-05-20 11:32:13 PM  
Sorry to be a bother but can someone update me on the kids at the school. I'm not a praying person but I'd like to shout one out for those kids.
 
2013-05-20 11:32:41 PM  

Captain Swoop: One of the things that is as stomach-turning as the death and damages is the sheer number of police calls I'm hearing on the scanners for LOOTERS. Every cop having to chase these sub-human dog-shiat sucking leeches is a cop that could be helping find and/or dig out a person buried or injured. I would have no problem with a Martial Law decree being instated when something disasterous happens - looters get summary execution.


/was dirt poor for a lot of my life
//no sympathy for scum


In 2011 we hadn't even been able to get back in to check on our house and the local cops already had someone in custody coming through a hole in the privacy fence going through the debris. Damn twister hadn't even made it over to the Friend area (less than thirty minutes)
 
2013-05-20 11:33:29 PM  
This storm system is passing overhead St. Louis right now. Truckloads of rain and POWERFUL lighting every 10-15 seconds, but no real wind or hail to speak of.

It looks like we didn't get the worst of it though.
 
2013-05-20 11:33:41 PM  
Looters.  If meth heads would work this hard at real jobs we wouldn't have to send so many jobs overseas.
 
2013-05-20 11:33:47 PM  

AllShelleyAllTheTime: Sorry to be a bother but can someone update me on the kids at the school. I'm not a praying person but I'd like to shout one out for those kids.


You're prayer would be a little late...for all the good that it would do.
 
2013-05-20 11:34:26 PM  

Death Eats a Cracker: AllShelleyAllTheTime: Sorry to be a bother but can someone update me on the kids at the school. I'm not a praying person but I'd like to shout one out for those kids.

You're prayer would be a little late...for all the good that it would do.


*Your
 
2013-05-20 11:34:26 PM  

Taylor Mental: I see the Fark Modmins waited 3 hours to greenlight a breaking news thread about sh*t that could kill you.


missed the first thread then eagle eye?
 
2013-05-20 11:35:29 PM  

BlueFalconPunch: jimmyjackfunk: IronTom: There should be a prize for designing affordable tornado-proof housing.

Definitely THIS. In 2011 after the storm shelter measure failed, our city manager suggested instead of people complaining about trailer parks and apartment needing them that we needed to go out into the neighborhoods meet the residents and find out who had shelters, get to know them and next time severe weather comes go to your new "friends" house. Needless to say he isn't too popular with the folks who live in the nicer homes with shelters having to contend with Jim Bob showing up at their house.

/true all people are not this way but in an emergency are you really going to wait for someone you barely know when there might be more pressing issues at hand?

Stupid thing is we have it. Heck, there was even a test done on nuke-proof construction back in the late 40's during the above ground nuclear tests that spawned as a competition between the construction guys and the engineers. (The construction guys won, as I remember. I can't find a link for a citation but I heard this from a reputable source.)

The problem is, for whatever reason, people don't want to live in homes that look like hobbit holes. And I can't imagine why. They are generally much more efficent to heat and cool and offer some other benefits as well.


I went to college in the Caribbean, and their poured concrete houses are build to withstand hurricanes. If I ever have a chance to build my own house, as a lifelong midwesterner, I'd get a builder from there to draw my plans. No cheap pine, plywood and Tyvek.

The last day of my 9th grade year was spent in a hallway as an F1 or so tornado went over the school. It spared the school, but we saw it hit a house across the street. I have been in and around tornadoes several times in my life (as well as a Cat. 3 hurricane direct hit) but...

Multiply my terror times 1000 and I still won't know what it was like for those who had to suffer today.
 
2013-05-20 11:35:56 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Captain Swoop: One of the things that is as stomach-turning as the death and damages is the sheer number of police calls I'm hearing on the scanners for LOOTERS. Every cop having to chase these sub-human dog-shiat sucking leeches is a cop that could be helping find and/or dig out a person buried or injured. I would have no problem with a Martial Law decree being instated when something disasterous happens - looters get summary execution.


/was dirt poor for a lot of my life
//no sympathy for scum

Too bad we can't do that. One cop on a motorcycle with approval to shoot on site would free up so many others.


National guard and such were supposed to be coming in, sorry, couldn't stay away.
Of course after one of our tornadoes police were some of the looters and got fired later.
/Well a jewelry store got hit : (
 
2013-05-20 11:35:59 PM  

IronTom: Interestingly, the tornado did not appear to dig into the ground, nor do hurricanes, or snowstorms.


They can rip the asphalt off the streets

http://www.stormgasm.com/photosforblog/3-2-12/6.jpg
 
2013-05-20 11:36:36 PM  

basemetal: Looters.  If meth heads would work this hard at real jobs we wouldn't have to send so many jobs overseas.


Well said.
 
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