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2013-05-20 08:17:19 PM

Uchiha_Cycliste: Can I ask a stupid question?
Do tornadoes really have super strong sucking upwards forces like cartoons depict? Or are the winds just really strong spinning winds that sometimes happen to have debris make their way upwards? Does the question make sense? Put another way, is the center of a tornado like a vacuum or just fierce spinning winds?


It really depends on the tornado and the location of the debris. Yes and no. What you can often expect are the spinning winds that keep debris aloft. Does some debris get sucked upwards? Definitely. Is it like a vacuum? Eh....
 
2013-05-20 08:17:35 PM

Uchiha_Cycliste: Can I ask a stupid question?
Do tornadoes really have super strong sucking upwards forces like cartoons depict? Or are the winds just really strong spinning winds that sometimes happen to have debris make their way upwards?
Does the question make sense? Put another way, is the center of a tornado like a vacuum or just fierce spinning winds?


Both really... Winds are horizontal, but there are updrafts and variations in wind speed that create little spinning eddies that throw things everywhere.

Also the difference in wind speed from ground level to just above ground level (faster) creates lift.

But.. mostly just horizontal when you get down to the "what would I feel standing near it"
 
2013-05-20 08:17:43 PM

Ravage: Is it to early to talk about tornado control?


www.charlock.org
 
2013-05-20 08:17:47 PM
Tornadoes are planetary storms.  Defend your self using the planet.  Build underground homes and businesses.

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com  assets.dornob.com
Bless the poor OK folks.
 
2013-05-20 08:17:50 PM
How big are schools in OKC?
My HS had over 4k students.
 
2013-05-20 08:17:55 PM

Uchiha_Cycliste: Can I ask a stupid question?
Do tornadoes really have super strong sucking upwards forces like cartoons depict? Or are the winds just really strong spinning winds that sometimes happen to have debris make their way upwards?
Does the question make sense? Put another way, is the center of a tornado like a vacuum or just fierce spinning winds?


I think it's just mostly horizontal wind.  There is an intense low pressure in the middle (which drives the winds) but there isn't so much suction for heavier things, the strong wind can just get under some things and toss it upward.
 
2013-05-20 08:17:58 PM

optikeye: Geeze their interviewing one guy that's home was destroyed and he's talking about how all his guns where in a gun safe and he only lost one gun. Seriously, WTF dude.


They asked if he had "anything left", right now, that's all he's sure of, because the safe is still there, he's going to have to dig to see if there's anything else (probably very little)
 
2013-05-20 08:18:02 PM
This is what happens when you legalize gay marriage.

/I am joking
 
2013-05-20 08:18:02 PM

optikeye: Geeze their interviewing one guy that's home was destroyed and he's talking about how all his guns where in a gun safe and he only lost one gun. Seriously, WTF dude.


You expect him not to talk sympathetically about the one thing in this world that means more to him than his kids?

/I farking hate gun people...
 
2013-05-20 08:18:10 PM
The thing that makes me so sad right now is that if we know, in Huntsville, that there is a strong likelihood of tornadoes, they cancel school well before the storms get here. Not that it probably would have mattered in this case, I understand that...
 
2013-05-20 08:18:17 PM
37 dead
 
2013-05-20 08:18:19 PM
If 30 sq mi is the accurate estimate, that is more than 6 times the area leveled at Hiroshima.
 
2013-05-20 08:18:47 PM

ancker: How about you have some empathy for those affected instead of using this tragedy as a soapbox for your atheism.

What is wrong with you people? The victims have enough to deal with, they don't need you trying to rip away the only sense of comfort they have right now.


It's hard for us non believers to understand why a victim of this type of horrific event would still have faith in an all powerful entity that by their own beliefs caused this.
 
2013-05-20 08:18:48 PM
CBS News @CBSNews 49s

BREAKING NEWS: Oklahoma Medical Examiner's office tells @CBSNews that at least 37 are killed after tornado hits Moore, OK
 
2013-05-20 08:18:51 PM

Mitrovarr: optikeye:
It's actually true. Here in Alabama they where useless for the Tuscaloosa Tornado outbreak.
All money to the red-cross goes into their 'general fund' very little of that actually reaches people in need.
Better to go on a website and donate to the local chapter of the Salvation Army in OKC---they target the area; and a very streamlined overhead cost.

While I'm not sure about this specific case, worrying about executive salaries or 'general funds' is not always a good idea with charities. If you want a huge, multinational charitable organization to survive and function, you need career work from educated professionals. It's not at all unreasonable that some of them, particularly highly educated or very experienced ones, might have six figure salaries. As far as 'general funds' go, the Red Cross does that because well known disasters tend to get carpet-bombed with way more aid than they can use while lesser ones are completely ignored; a general fund helps spread some of that out.


I am going to echo these sentiments, both in my experiences after the Alabama tornadoes (they actually tried to impede other groups from doing relief work when they showed up to slap notices on rubble), and after a major fire at my apartment complex last week that displaced 130 people. They carted off the displaced to a shelter and gave them a comfort kit, but that was it - and it took me raising some hell for them to even be willing to work with me to connect local nonprofits to the victims. They actually REFUSED my assistance in organizing additional aid. It's not like I'm just some random schmoe off the street, either, I'm a professor who runs a nonprofit center at the local university and I've got excellent contacts in the local nonprofit community.

The Red Cross is not worth your money. Some of the best relief work I saw done after the tornadoes was done by C.A.R.E. out of Intercourse, PA. It's part of the Mennonite Disaster Service.

http://www.mds.mennonite.net/
 
2013-05-20 08:18:55 PM

Uchiha_Cycliste: How big are schools in OKC?
My HS had over 4k students.


most schools here are much bigger.  That was a particularly small school.
 
2013-05-20 08:18:56 PM
Plaza Tower sounds like it's gonna be bad "more than 2 dozen" in the rubble, (shut-up about Moore
jokes :( )
/Such a sad day.
//How are the other tornado warnings going along the line?
/Just watching 9 out of where ever.
 
2013-05-20 08:19:10 PM

ontariolightning: 37 dead


Fark...
 
2013-05-20 08:19:20 PM

RatOmeter: like cancelling school in the areas that the NWS forecast that the SAME shiat IN THE SAME AREA AS YESTERDAY WOULD LIKELY HAPPEN TODAY!


They never cancel school for forecast tornadoes or t-storms, you'd never get through the school year.

/lived in Nebraska
//did many duck & cover actions in elementary school
///May 6, 1975, one took out about 1/4 of Omaha, went over my school, luckily only 3 dead in the city
 
2013-05-20 08:19:31 PM
AP Newsflash: State medical examiner's office has confirmed 37 dead from the Oklahoma tornado so far, with the number expected to rise
 
2013-05-20 08:19:34 PM

jdcgonzalez: Things just got interesting here in NW Arkansas. Tornado warning and severe thunderstorms. It went from still and quiet to torrential in a matter of seconds.


Stay safe, Farker!
 
2013-05-20 08:19:37 PM
AP reporting from OK State authorities saying 37 dead, number expected to rise.
 
2013-05-20 08:19:43 PM

Shadow Blasko: Uchiha_Cycliste: Can I ask a stupid question?
Do tornadoes really have super strong sucking upwards forces like cartoons depict? Or are the winds just really strong spinning winds that sometimes happen to have debris make their way upwards?
Does the question make sense? Put another way, is the center of a tornado like a vacuum or just fierce spinning winds?

Both really... Winds are horizontal, but there are updrafts and variations in wind speed that create little spinning eddies that throw things everywhere.

Also the difference in wind speed from ground level to just above ground level (faster) creates lift.

But.. mostly just horizontal when you get down to the "what would I feel standing near it"


Okay. So if I understand correctly, debris can get sucked way up if the drafts are right but primarily its just fierce spinning winds. In other words cartoons and media have taken some creative liberties with what the middle of a tornado does. Thanks!
 
2013-05-20 08:19:48 PM

Uchiha_Cycliste: Can I ask a stupid question?
Do tornadoes really have super strong sucking upwards forces like cartoons depict? Or are the winds just really strong spinning winds that sometimes happen to have debris make their way upwards?
Does the question make sense? Put another way, is the center of a tornado like a vacuum or just fierce spinning winds?


Here ya go.
 
2013-05-20 08:20:00 PM

Uchiha_Cycliste: Can I ask a stupid question?
Do tornadoes really have super strong sucking upwards forces like cartoons depict? Or are the winds just really strong spinning winds that sometimes happen to have debris make their way upwards?
Does the question make sense? Put another way, is the center of a tornado like a vacuum or just fierce spinning winds?


There is a rotating updraft in the center of the storm.  The tornado itself isn't necessarily sucking upward, but the entire storm can be.  It's this rotating updraft that spawns the tornado in the first place.
 
2013-05-20 08:20:08 PM
/don't even wanna do the "in a row" joke :-(
 
2013-05-20 08:20:24 PM
WHAT THE FARK!

They've been focusing on the school for so long, they just showed some flyovers of a few neighborhoods and it looks like Dresden ten times over....
 
2013-05-20 08:20:34 PM

Bontesla: jdcgonzalez: Things just got interesting here in NW Arkansas. Tornado warning and severe thunderstorms. It went from still and quiet to torrential in a matter of seconds.

Stay safe, Farker!


That'll be me in about 5 hours if these things stay as strong as this.

/NE Arkansas
 
2013-05-20 08:20:34 PM

Bontesla: CBS News @CBSNews 49s

BREAKING NEWS: Oklahoma Medical Examiner's office tells @CBSNews that at least 37 are killed after tornado hits Moore, OK


This probably includes the Plaza Tower fatalities.

At least I hope it does.
 
2013-05-20 08:21:01 PM
37...ugggh.
 
2013-05-20 08:21:01 PM
Boards stuck into concrete at the medical center.
 
2013-05-20 08:21:03 PM

reillan: That was a particularly small school.


You mean the OKC school(s) that was hit, or my school?
 
2013-05-20 08:21:26 PM

brothajahn: MSNBC reported 30 minutes ago that 24 kids were dead.
Now they are not reporting that and I have not seen any other
news source report that.
I want them to be wrong.


This x 100.
 
2013-05-20 08:21:33 PM

Uchiha_Cycliste: Can I ask a stupid question?
Do tornadoes really have super strong sucking upwards forces like cartoons depict? Or are the winds just really strong spinning winds that sometimes happen to have debris make their way upwards?
Does the question make sense? Put another way, is the center of a tornado like a vacuum or just fierce spinning winds?


Both, once a town called New Hope got hit 30 miles away, pieces of debris started falling where I was working about 10 minutes later.
 
2013-05-20 08:21:49 PM

Uchiha_Cycliste: Can I ask a stupid question?
Do tornadoes really have super strong sucking upwards forces like cartoons depict? Or are the winds just really strong spinning winds that sometimes happen to have debris make their way upwards?
Does the question make sense? Put another way, is the center of a tornado like a vacuum or just fierce spinning winds?


Vacuum. The clouds above are "Sucking upwards (updraft) a huge one that starts to spin and just like in a sink it get going fast enough to form a funnel. The faster the winds the more powerful the funnel is at its tip. This is how things can get thrown for great distances.
 
2013-05-20 08:21:51 PM
37 dead so far.  :-(
 
2013-05-20 08:21:56 PM
Jesus. KFOR said people are looting. But apparently, the police have said "You loot, we shoot."
 
2013-05-20 08:22:04 PM

Russ Feingold's Brass Balls: Bontesla: jdcgonzalez: Things just got interesting here in NW Arkansas. Tornado warning and severe thunderstorms. It went from still and quiet to torrential in a matter of seconds.

Stay safe, Farker!

That'll be me in about 5 hours if these things stay as strong as this.

/NE Arkansas


You stay safe, too.
It sounds like it's going to be a very bumpy night :/
 
2013-05-20 08:22:28 PM

RatOmeter: JolobinSmokin: I'm in Tulsa and over the past 2 days in Mid-town it has hardly rained and barely any wind, I only brought my trash cans, and lawn furniture cushions inside a couple hours ago and still no weather here.

Just like Stillwater the last couple of days.   Everything,  the bad shiat and the rain, just went south and west.

Old joke.  There's a lot of people in Oklahoma City and quite a few people in Norman.  But there's Moore people in between.

/a few less tonight.
//Damned sad people didn't take extraordinary measures, like cancelling school in the areas that the NWS forecast that the SAME shiat IN THE SAME AREA AS YESTERDAY WOULD LIKELY HAPPEN TODAY!

Norman NWS had a big, bloody map predicting where this stuff would happen published before 11am this morning.

/sobs


Generally they only make plans for that kind of action if the NWS issues a PDS (Particularly Dangerous Situation) warning. Those are extremely rare, and I do not believe that there was one today.

Also, I know this is not going to be a popular opinion at the moment, but your kids are generally safer in school than they are at home in this case. RARELY are their mass casualty events at schools.

In this case, and in the case of an EF5, it would not matter. School won't protect you, home wont protect you. Unless you are underground you are in deep crap.
 
2013-05-20 08:22:28 PM

jdcgonzalez: Things just got interesting here in NW Arkansas. Tornado warning and severe thunderstorms. It went from still and quiet to torrential in a matter of seconds.


Keep your head on the ground. They're saying this thing went from nothing to complete devastation in less than an hour.
 
2013-05-20 08:22:39 PM

skozlaw: They've been focusing on the school for so long, they just showed some flyovers of a few neighborhoods and it looks like Dresden ten times over....


Mile wide tornado, on the ground for 30 miles, including many of those miles in a densely populated area, there's gonna be a lot of that.
 
2013-05-20 08:22:46 PM
KAMC News @KAMCNews 1m

Breaking: State Medical Examiner confirming 37 dead in Moore, OK. 36 died in the May 3rd, 1999 tornado
 
2013-05-20 08:22:58 PM
Press conference coming at 8:30 eastern.
 
2013-05-20 08:23:13 PM
Nother round keyed up for tomorrow. Any of you Arklatex farkers take care of yourselves and pay attention tomorrow afternoon. Its going to be bad again.

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/outlook/day2otlk.html
 
2013-05-20 08:23:20 PM

ariseatex: Bontesla: CBS News @CBSNews 49s

BREAKING NEWS: Oklahoma Medical Examiner's office tells @CBSNews that at least 37 are killed after tornado hits Moore, OK

This probably includes the Plaza Tower fatalities.

At least I hope it does.


No, they specifically said it did not on the weather channel
 
2013-05-20 08:23:31 PM

Uchiha_Cycliste: reillan: That was a particularly small school.

You mean the OKC school(s) that was hit, or my school?


Are you posting while stoned? Go for a bike ride for awhile then remember google still exists.
 
2013-05-20 08:23:39 PM

knbber2: RatOmeter: like cancelling school in the areas that the NWS forecast that the SAME shiat IN THE SAME AREA AS YESTERDAY WOULD LIKELY HAPPEN TODAY!

They never cancel school for forecast tornadoes or t-storms, you'd never get through the school year.

/lived in Nebraska
//did many duck & cover actions in elementary school
///May 6, 1975, one took out about 1/4 of Omaha, went over my school, luckily only 3 dead in the city


They do here if it's supposed to be really bad. Generally at noon so it counts as a full day.
 
2013-05-20 08:24:07 PM
Personally, I blame Al Gore for inventing Climate Change.
 
2013-05-20 08:24:29 PM

Tom_Slick: ariseatex: Bontesla: CBS News @CBSNews 49s

BREAKING NEWS: Oklahoma Medical Examiner's office tells @CBSNews that at least 37 are killed after tornado hits Moore, OK

This probably includes the Plaza Tower fatalities.

At least I hope it does.

No, they specifically said it did not on the weather channel


*curls up into ball*
 
2013-05-20 08:24:49 PM
my buddy in neosho, mo just told me that we've chased worse storms in my t-bird back in the day so hopefully not another repeat of joplin.
 
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