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2013-05-20 09:13:10 PM

ancker: How about you have some empathy for those affected instead of using this tragedy as a soapbox for your atheism.

What is wrong with you people? The victims have enough to deal with, they don't need you trying to rip away the only sense of comfort they have right now.


I agree, but...
The problem is when people rely on prayer/religion instead of practical solutions.
Which happens sometimes.
 
2013-05-20 09:13:15 PM
All of the children at Briarwood elementary are accounted for
 
2013-05-20 09:13:33 PM

Uchiha_Cycliste: Di Atribe: mr lawson: Uchiha_Cycliste: Thanks you guys for answering my sucky question. It was the first time I'd ever questioned the tornado's vortex and not just taken it's properties for granted.

it does indeed suck upward.
It is a VERY low pressure center.
The out gassing is near the top of the supercell.
That is why you have items found hundred of miles away.
some of the lighter stuff gets sucked up tens of thousands of feet into the air.

[whyfiles.org image 620x324]

Hm, here's a graphic to look at for those of you who are unfamiliar with how tornadoes work. The systems that create tornadoes are generally more complicated than this. Looking for more. Maybe some of you confirmed tornado nerds have something better handy.

That is pretty incredibly complicated.
I'll bet it was a big day for meteorologists when they were able to start collecting this data and start making sense of tornadoes. It looks like there is so much more going on than just what you see on (from) the ground.


Yes, yes, yes, a tornado is the result of some very complex factors and they don't start at the bottom of the storm. they start way up. A lot of the bad ones the jet stream is involved in.
 
2013-05-20 09:13:39 PM

olddinosaur: I got out of Wichita Falls in 1974. The big tornado hit in 1978, and was probably worse than the Moore tornado.


It was 1979 & I was in that one, too. You're an old dinosaur though, so I'll let it slide. 42 died in that one, I believe.


Uchiha_Cycliste: That is pretty incredibly complicated.
I'll bet it was a big day for meteorologists when they were able to start collecting this data and start making sense of tornadoes. It looks like there is so much more going on than just what you see on (from) the ground.


That's actually a pretty simplistic graphic. Tornadic storms are like huge machines, churning hot & cold air up and down, left & right like a conveyor belt. I'm looking for a better graphic. I just figured that was a good one to get you started.

Weather balloons & radar were the two BIG advances in learning how tornadoes work.
 
2013-05-20 09:13:57 PM

tin_man: I'm glad you're okay, man


Thanks, man.

mrshowrules: Is everyone you know OK?


I don't know.  Waiting to hear.
 
2013-05-20 09:14:37 PM
TV affiliates in OKC reporting debris from the Moore, Ok tornado found as far away as Branson.
 
2013-05-20 09:14:44 PM

Uchiha_Cycliste: Thanks! Do you know what it is like way above the tornado?
Does that suction dissipate above the clouds, or create a huge upwards force for miles upwards? would a plane flying at 40,000 feet, 10,000 ft above the top of the clouds be safe?


The huricane hunters can't even fly in these storms.  There have been some flights near big storms with NASA jets but they don't get very close and they have broken planes.  A storm like this would be causing turbulence up to 65,000 feet or more.  The tops of these have messed with weather balloons at 85,000 ft and they kick enough air into space that detectors on the ISS and shuttle can detect it.
 
2013-05-20 09:14:46 PM

Professor Farksworth: LessO2: Now That's What I Call a Taco!: A several ton oil tank flew at least a half mile.  Expert from the Weather Channel says that proves this was an F5.

I'll wait until the Weather Service declares it as such.   Hard to believe a source that is consistently trying to drum up shait and naming winter storms.

If it was Forbes who said it, you can believe it. He studied under Dr. Fujita who invented the original scale and was part of the panel that created the new scale. He knows his shiat.


NWS won't say it until they can get people in on the ground to confirm it for themselves, and that probably won't be until tomorrow.  Probably the EF4 estimate from them right now is just from the media shots they've seen.  They were probably still working on surveying yesterday's tornadoes this morning.
 
2013-05-20 09:15:08 PM

Minarets: All of the children at Briarwood elementary are accounted for


Not sure that's the case, I think they were talking about those two kids.
 
2013-05-20 09:15:09 PM
I went to buy beer.  It's how my family copes.  I suggest beer, a good cry, and maybe getting away from the news for a bit if you have the privilege to be able to do so.  If you're in Oklahoma... fark.  I'll drink one for you.
 
2013-05-20 09:16:04 PM

Linkster: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7759176/84328912#c84328912" target="_blank">wxboy</a>:</b> <i>If parents can deal with snow days, they can deal with tornado days. Of course some can't, but that's true everywhere.</i>

So you have about 30 minutes from Tornado watch to tornado warning, if at all.  Then maybe a touchdown in that big ass box, if at all. It's not THIS WILL HAPPEN!!  They don't know.

when I was Kansas last time. I just sat there and watched the radar, no where to go, no place to hide, today's a good day to die!


And a lot of people don't watch the news during the day. Even if they heard the sirens they might just think it's a regular thunder storm or another test.  If anything, they need a more unique way to warn people.
 
2013-05-20 09:16:04 PM
One of the reasons I bought my house was due to it being built with a fallout shelter. Built in 1958. The house inspector who went through was amazed with the steel beams holding up the concrete that was the base for the garage. I figured that anyone building a house like that, there would be less issues over the years with construction quality.
 
2013-05-20 09:16:05 PM

Bunny Deville: tinfoil-hat maggie: Bunny Deville: knbber2: Bunny Deville: Anyway, the moral of the story is that North Alabama is generally more prone to EF3 and above tornadoes than anywhere else on the planet, so we take that shiat seriously up here.

Jeez, didn't know that.  I've lived in several states that are prone and I've been through a few (luckily missed our house), but other than the Omaha tornado, they were relatively small.  You keep your head down and stay safe.

After researching all of those tornadoes, I found out that they like to form on the OTHER side of the mountain from my house. This makes me a happy bunny.

Madison/Harvest/Monrovia, now... those people need to worry.

Well of course Airport RD/Jones Valley as well, but Cullman seems to be the states bad weather magnate.
/Just saying,
//but yea lots seem to track towards Meridianville and North.

I did a couple of density GIS maps of N. AL, Cullman and Madison definitely have the most. It was not a happy finding, let me tell you.


I'll bet, I'm hiding in a Cove myself but ya never know.
 
2013-05-20 09:16:11 PM

LessO2: Minarets: All of the children at Briarwood elementary are accounted for

Not sure that's the case, I think they were talking about those two kids.


A mother told the reporter that everyone was accounted for, and then that reporter relayed it on air - so nothing official yet.
 
2013-05-20 09:16:29 PM

skozlaw: Iowan73: Just saw a guy being interviewed live on CNN who was wearing a tank top with "She Wants the D" written on it. If you wear something like that, you are almost certain to end up on world-wide live television.

After a tornado.


CSB

After the 1998 tornado that ripped through Hall County GA they were showing pictures of the damage,  a reporter was in front of this huge pile of scrap metal, he went to interview the guy walking around, the pile was not tornado damage but that is how his front yard always looked. He informed them of this fact on live TV stating "I didn't lose a damned thing."

/CSB
 
2013-05-20 09:16:29 PM

basemetal: tin_man: I'm glad you're okay, man

Thanks, man.

mrshowrules: Is everyone you know OK?

I don't know.  Waiting to hear.


I hope the friends and family you are closest to are safe.  Take care.
 
2013-05-20 09:16:38 PM

basemetal: tin_man: I'm glad you're okay, man

Thanks, man.

mrshowrules: Is everyone you know OK?

I don't know.  Waiting to hear.


Hang in there, bro.

fc05.deviantart.net
 
2013-05-20 09:16:38 PM

Uchiha_Cycliste: RatOmeter: Uchiha_Cycliste: Can I ask a stupid question?
Do tornadoes really have super strong sucking upwards forces like cartoons depict? Or are the winds just really strong spinning winds that sometimes happen to have debris make their way upwards?
Does the question make sense? Put another way, is the center of a tornado like a vacuum or just fierce spinning winds?

The center sucks, mostly because it's part of the structure that's making the horribly destructive winds that are rotating around it.  Those are the part that cause the destruction.

Thanks, and do you know if it always sucks, or only sometimes (in some tornadoes). Or does it always suck but sometimes not as strongly?


Yes, it SUCKS.  It's a Nature-damned vortex.  Have you never drained a sink or tub and watched it?

The difference is that it's the rotating winds - no, save that.  It's that it's a difference in pressure.  In tornadoes it happens that the forces are somewhat inverted, with respect to a kitchen sink.   The physics are the same^W^W similar.   Awww, fark it.  The physics are the same,  it's just a matter of scale and what forces are in action.
 
2013-05-20 09:16:42 PM

basemetal: tin_man: I'm glad you're okay, man

Thanks, man.

mrshowrules: Is everyone you know OK?

I don't know.  Waiting to hear.


I hope the news is good - and that you get it soon.
 
2013-05-20 09:16:58 PM

Radioactive Ass: Uchiha_Cycliste: Wow. So a plane would have to be really, REALLY high up. Not something for a commercial airliner.

Other than storm chasing planes no pilot in their right mind will go anywhere near a thunderstorm on purpose. They will even go a hundred+ miles out of the way to avoid it if they have to. Not only because of the winds (which can drop an airplane thousands of feet in a few seconds in they hit a down draft) (what goes up must come down you know) but also because there's hail in there a lot of the time and that can bring it down in some conditions.


So these storms are just massive volumes of danger, chaos and instability whose reach far extends their visible appearance.
 
2013-05-20 09:16:59 PM

KhamanV: I went to buy beer.  It's how my family copes.  I suggest beer, a good cry, and maybe getting away from the news for a bit if you have the privilege to be able to do so.  If you're in Oklahoma... fark.  I'll drink one for you.


THIS!
 
2013-05-20 09:17:52 PM

Cytokine Storm: ArkAngel: If tornadoes in Kansas bring you to Oz, where do tornadoes in Oklahoma bring you?

Arkansas

/sometimes Missouri


Whew, I'm glad I don't have to handle this one.
 
2013-05-20 09:18:10 PM

Begoggle: skozlaw: QueenMamaBee: Not reading all the way back,but I just got a text on how to send help, even if you choose not to use the Red Cross, text FOOD to 32333 for $10 to the Oklahoma City food bank, text STORM to 80888 for $10 to the Salvation Army. Sending my $10 to the food bank

Which is fine, but people should also need be dissuaded from using the Red Cross. If you really believe the derp about them, fine, send to one of the other places, but don't just not donate because one dickhead said stupid things about them on TV.

The best option is to directly give the things that are needed to those who need them, but obviously this isn't possible for everyone.
I don't like the way Red Cross or a lot of big charities operate, but they are the best option for now.


Again, I highly recommend Mennonite Disaster Services,  http://www.mds.mennonite.net/. Those people are amazing, and they really impressed me after the Alabama tornadoes two years ago.
 
2013-05-20 09:18:47 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Bunny Deville: tinfoil-hat maggie: Bunny Deville: knbber2: Bunny Deville: Anyway, the moral of the story is that North Alabama is generally more prone to EF3 and above tornadoes than anywhere else on the planet, so we take that shiat seriously up here.

Jeez, didn't know that.  I've lived in several states that are prone and I've been through a few (luckily missed our house), but other than the Omaha tornado, they were relatively small.  You keep your head down and stay safe.

After researching all of those tornadoes, I found out that they like to form on the OTHER side of the mountain from my house. This makes me a happy bunny.

Madison/Harvest/Monrovia, now... those people need to worry.

Well of course Airport RD/Jones Valley as well, but Cullman seems to be the states bad weather magnate.
/Just saying,
//but yea lots seem to track towards Meridianville and North.

I did a couple of density GIS maps of N. AL, Cullman and Madison definitely have the most. It was not a happy finding, let me tell you.

I'll bet, I'm hiding in a Cove myself but ya never know.


No shiat, me too! I'm in Camelot off Bailey Cove.
 
2013-05-20 09:19:23 PM

LessO2: Minarets: All of the children at Briarwood elementary are accounted for

Not sure that's the case, I think they were talking about those two kids.


The mother said she had been told all were accounted for.  So, second hand information, but here's hoping.
 
2013-05-20 09:19:35 PM

basemetal: tin_man: I'm glad you're okay, man

Thanks, man.

mrshowrules: Is everyone you know OK?

I don't know.  Waiting to hear.


haven't read all of the thread, did you take a hit?
 
2013-05-20 09:19:35 PM

Theory Of Null: Linkster: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7759176/84328912#c84328912" target="_blank">wxboy</a>:</b> <i>If parents can deal with snow days, they can deal with tornado days. Of course some can't, but that's true everywhere.</i>

So you have about 30 minutes from Tornado watch to tornado warning, if at all.  Then maybe a touchdown in that big ass box, if at all. It's not THIS WILL HAPPEN!!  They don't know.

when I was Kansas last time. I just sat there and watched the radar, no where to go, no place to hide, today's a good day to die!

And a lot of people don't watch the news during the day. Even if they heard the sirens they might just think it's a regular thunder storm or another test.  If anything, they need a more unique way to warn people.


It's gotten better, when I was a kid the twister would have dissipated about the time the sirens go off.

Trust me, Tornado sirens are what they are, no one in that area blows sirens for a pussy ass thunderstorm.
 
2013-05-20 09:19:45 PM

MrSteve007: So is this now a documentary?

[www.psychologyinaction.org image 800x599]


That was a weird movie....
 
2013-05-20 09:19:55 PM
And I can't watch this anymore.
 
2013-05-20 09:19:55 PM
basemetal:

mrshowrules: Is everyone you know OK?

I don't know.  Waiting to hear.


Sending positive thoughts your way...
 
2013-05-20 09:20:55 PM

exvaxman: One of the reasons I bought my house was due to it being built with a fallout shelter. Built in 1958. The house inspector who went through was amazed with the steel beams holding up the concrete that was the base for the garage. I figured that anyone building a house like that, there would be less issues over the years with construction quality.


The tornado room was a deciding factor in my home purchase, sure it has vinyl floors and Formica counters but it is has a tornado room.

/Please tell me you have a Fallout Shelter sign.
 
2013-05-20 09:20:59 PM
CAN JERRY JONES PLEASE SHUT THE HELL UP?!?!  STOP CHUCKLING!!!
 
2013-05-20 09:21:14 PM
According to AccuWeather, Fort Worth is under a tornado watch but Dallas is not.  However, everything to the north, west, and southwest of Dallas (almost to San Antonio) is under a tornado watch.
 
2013-05-20 09:21:28 PM

Bunny Deville: tinfoil-hat maggie: Bunny Deville: tinfoil-hat maggie: Bunny Deville: knbber2: Bunny Deville: Anyway, the moral of the story is that North Alabama is generally more prone to EF3 and above tornadoes than anywhere else on the planet, so we take that shiat seriously up here.

Jeez, didn't know that.  I've lived in several states that are prone and I've been through a few (luckily missed our house), but other than the Omaha tornado, they were relatively small.  You keep your head down and stay safe.

After researching all of those tornadoes, I found out that they like to form on the OTHER side of the mountain from my house. This makes me a happy bunny.

Madison/Harvest/Monrovia, now... those people need to worry.

Well of course Airport RD/Jones Valley as well, but Cullman seems to be the states bad weather magnate.
/Just saying,
//but yea lots seem to track towards Meridianville and North.

I did a couple of density GIS maps of N. AL, Cullman and Madison definitely have the most. It was not a happy finding, let me tell you.

I'll bet, I'm hiding in a Cove myself but ya never know.

No shiat, me too! I'm in Camelot off Bailey Cove.


I'm on the Meridianville/New Market line. The tornado last March missed my house by less than 1000 feet. Three houses down the road and it was total destruction.
 
2013-05-20 09:21:47 PM

Bontesla: TV affiliates in OKC reporting debris from the Moore, Ok tornado found as far away as Branson.


Damn, but sorta expected : (
 
2013-05-20 09:22:03 PM
TV affiliates in OKC reporting debris from the  Moore, Ok tornado found as far away as Branson.

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Jeezus. Who the hell goes to Branson? Not a very classy tornado.
 
2013-05-20 09:22:37 PM
I don't care about CNN's accuracy in reporting, this blonde is a farking babe.
 
2013-05-20 09:22:40 PM

basemetal: tin_man: I'm glad you're okay, man

Thanks, man.

mrshowrules: Is everyone you know OK?

I don't know.  Waiting to hear.


*hugs*
 
2013-05-20 09:22:53 PM
Seriously, every woman they interview from Oklahoma is obese.
 
2013-05-20 09:23:21 PM
Bill Nye is on CNN. I know this dude is smart, but I just can't take him seriously.
 
2013-05-20 09:23:22 PM

Uchiha_Cycliste: So these storms are just massive volumes of danger, chaos and instability whose reach far extends their visible appearance.


lol..yeah.
 
2013-05-20 09:23:26 PM

Theory Of Null: Linkster: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7759176/84328912#c84328912" target="_blank">wxboy</a>:</b> <i>If parents can deal with snow days, they can deal with tornado days. Of course some can't, but that's true everywhere.</i>

And a lot of people don't watch the news during the day. Even if they heard the sirens they might just think it's a regular thunder storm or another test.  If anything, they need a more unique way to warn people.


I don't know how tornado sirens work in other towns- but in my city they test the first Weds of the month at noon- if the weather is good and sunny/clear- they would NEVER test if it were raining or questionable or not noon on a Wednesday- there is nothing confusing about it. Otherwise, the sirens are only used if there is a tornado spotted or they see imminent signs on the radar that they think is/will be a tornado. It is a serious thing and then if you turn on your radio they very clearly say when the warning is over (and it is usually short like 15-30 minutes). Not overused, everyone takes them seriously.
 
2013-05-20 09:23:27 PM

star_topology: And I can't watch this anymore.


The vampires & ghouls in the news industry are particularly bad in these times.

/prayers to the victims now, donations to the relief effort when I'm home again
 
2013-05-20 09:23:35 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Uchiha_Cycliste: Di Atribe: mr lawson: Uchiha_Cycliste: Thanks you guys for answering my sucky question. It was the first time I'd ever questioned the tornado's vortex and not just taken it's properties for granted.

it does indeed suck upward.
It is a VERY low pressure center.
The out gassing is near the top of the supercell.
That is why you have items found hundred of miles away.
some of the lighter stuff gets sucked up tens of thousands of feet into the air.

[whyfiles.org image 620x324]

Hm, here's a graphic to look at for those of you who are unfamiliar with how tornadoes work. The systems that create tornadoes are generally more complicated than this. Looking for more. Maybe some of you confirmed tornado nerds have something better handy.

That is pretty incredibly complicated.
I'll bet it was a big day for meteorologists when they were able to start collecting this data and start making sense of tornadoes. It looks like there is so much more going on than just what you see on (from) the ground.

Yes, yes, yes, a tornado is the result of some very complex factors and they don't start at the bottom of the storm. they start way up. A lot of the bad ones the jet stream is involved in.


That's just cheating! jesus
 
2013-05-20 09:23:45 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Shadow Blasko: Tom_Slick: Shadow Blasko: Work boots, gloves, helmets, and something that can make a lot of noise, for each person.

Check, Check, nope, nope.  I am making a list.

Cheap bicycle helmets will work better than nothing, but just have something to protect your head, even for after you get out of the saferoom.

Oh, and talk to your doctor or pharmacy about having a 10 day emergency supply of any essential medications for anyone in your family.

And, a list of post-event things you must do. IE - Turn off gas and/or water if possible (have tools to do both) etc

They interviewed a lady earlier she was still wearing a batters helmet, cool lady she was obviously shaken up but alive.


Yeah, I wanted to give that lady a hug.  She was pretty shaken up but she was cool.
 
2013-05-20 09:23:49 PM

Krustofsky: According to AccuWeather, Fort Worth is under a tornado watch but Dallas is not.  However, everything to the north, west, and southwest of Dallas (almost to San Antonio) is under a tornado watch.


That cell to the SW of the DFW area is just freaking STATIONARY. It's just been sitting there churning in place for almost an hour I think,.
 
2013-05-20 09:23:53 PM
Anyone catch the text number? I have a few texts to send.
 
2013-05-20 09:23:59 PM

Flying Lasagna Monster: Seriously, every woman they interview from Oklahoma is obese.


The light ones were blown away.
 
2013-05-20 09:24:05 PM

Fiction Fan: TV affiliates in OKC reporting debris from the  Moore, Ok tornado found as far away as Branson.

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Jeezus. Who the hell goes to Branson? Not a very classy tornado.


They've cleaned up to town, in recent years. Very few of the casino signs are misspelled. :P
 
2013-05-20 09:24:17 PM
From the way it was described, I was expecting to hear numbers like "100,000 dead, 500,000 injured". So in that sense, it's not that terrible
 
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