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2013-05-20 08:54:26 PM

Di Atribe: And what happens if they cancel school & people stay home from and then nothing touches down? It'd be like canceling for a snowstorm & then it doesn't snow. People be mighty pissed about it. AND another unintended consequence is that the next time they try to shut down for severe weather, people won't believe them. "Well last time nothing happened....." It's a fine line to walk. I wouldn't want my hand on the big red [siren] button.


Precisely.  Same with evacuations.
 
2013-05-20 08:54:33 PM

Uchiha_Cycliste: Thanks you guys for answering my sucky question. It was the first time I'd ever questioned the tornado's vortex and not just taken it's properties for granted.


it does indeed suck upward.
It is a VERY low pressure center.
The out gassing is near the top of the supercell.
That is why you have items found hundred of miles away.
some of the lighter stuff gets sucked up tens of thousands of feet into the air.
 
2013-05-20 08:55:14 PM
51 confirmed dead, per CBS news
 
2013-05-20 08:55:19 PM

Bontesla: Fiction Fan: Fayette County, west of Fayetteville


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near Fayetteville here.
Just FYI, we get tornadoes too.
Spalding County / Henry County / Fayetteville-Griffin-Hampton got hit in 2011.
Six dead then. Was an F3.

Yeah, I knew people who lost everything in Griffin.


Yep, had my home inspector check roof carefully.  Several we looked at had new ones courtesy of that storm.

/Plenty familiar with twisters, have a number of friends in Parkersburg, IA (one of the first EF-5's)
 
2013-05-20 08:55:23 PM

Di Atribe: mrshowrules: wxboy: mrshowrules: wxboy: slackerboy: I haven't read the thread, but what we've been talking about here is, why the fark don't schools in a tornado zone have a saferoom?  Reinforced concrete, a couple of feet down.  ~75 people is what I've seen.  It doesn't have to be that big, you can cram them in for the hour or so before help gets there.  This country is retarded.

An average elementary school might have 200 or more students, and you can't just shove kids into a crawl space like sardines every time the sirens sound.  That would probably cause more problems than it solved.  Building something large enough to shelter everyone reasonably could double the cost of building, and in an era when education budgets are already tight, for the low low probability of an event both during school hours and strong enough to render current procedures inadequate.

Better building this then tanks the Pentagon doesn't need.  Infrastructure spending would be could for the economy right now.  Keeps people employed and it should be separate from the education budget.  Plus, you could easily justify this with the frequency of tornadoes in certain areas.

Forecasting now is at a point where schools could reasonably institute a no-school-today policy when these types of things are possible.  It's already been pointed out that this outbreak was predicted several days in advance.  Cancelling school a few days a year and making them up later would be way more cost-effective than building and retrofitting school buildings with storm shelters.

For many people, they can't afford to stay home from work or risk being laid off for doing so.  It comes back to economic drivers again.

And what happens if they cancel school & people stay home from and then nothing touches down? It'd be like canceling for a snowstorm & then it doesn't snow. People be mighty pissed about it. AND another unintended consequence is that the next time they try to shut down for severe weather, people won't believe them. "Well last time nothing happened....." It's a fine line to walk. I wouldn't want my hand on the big red [siren] button.


I'm fully expecting that after this, the biatching when it happens here will die down for a couple of years.
 
2013-05-20 08:55:23 PM

basemetal: It's bad in Moore, folks, really bad. Surprised the body count isn't higher.


I can't imagine - just relieved to see a post from you. :p
 
2013-05-20 08:55:26 PM

Tom_Slick: Winner Winner Chicken Dinner


yaaay!
 
2013-05-20 08:55:42 PM

WhyteRaven74: Tom_Slick: I live on Lake Lanier now in a town whose name I hate to mention aloud.

Cumming?

/only Georgia town I can think of with a name that would qualify


LOL, I needed a laugh though...
 
2013-05-20 08:55:44 PM
In Corpus we do not usually have tornadoes (only a couple in 30+ years,) but we DO have hurricanes: seven bad ones from 1919--1980, followed by nothing in the last 33 years.

By the law of averages at least, we are long overdue.

People laugh at me for being a prepper, but when the sh*t hits the fan I am the only guy on the block with lights, TV and Innertubes.
 
2013-05-20 08:55:57 PM
i.imgur.com
MOVE TO WHERE THE FOOD IS THERE'S NO TORNADOES!

/just sayin'
//stay safe
 
2013-05-20 08:56:15 PM

Mrtraveler01: artemusprine: OK, I get it.  People who don't believe in God think prayer is a waste of time.  It is utterly stupid to hope that people are found alive and well, are reunited with loved ones, and taken care of because hoping changes nothing according to a purely rational worldview.  And why be thankful that you barely survived a massive calamity if there is no God to thank (and if even if there were you can't know that you aren't on his to-do list for the next tornado)?  In the absence of compelling evidence for or against God, a willingness to believe has to be rooted in optimism.  I'll take that optimism over "don't waste your time praying" and "don't embarrass us both by thanking your made-up God" any day.

I'm a Christian but I see their point in thinking it's stupid when someone is saying thank god they're alive while just a few blocks a way, a bunch of children drowned in a bathroom destroyed by a tornado.


Everyone is expressing their feelings in different ways, right now, as I'm watching the coverage, I was trying to figure out why the asphalt on the road is all gone? Is the wind so powerful that it can peel asphalt and concrete off of the ground? It 's too difficult to fathom.
 
2013-05-20 08:56:20 PM
What a horrible situation.
 
2013-05-20 08:56:28 PM

Fiction Fan: AdolfOliverPanties    

aedude01:
How the fark do you drown in a school?  That's a horrible way to go.
Depends.  Is it a school of fish?
/probably too soon for jokes


 Yea. That joke was lamer than FDR's legs.


Hey hey hey. Too soon, man.
 
2013-05-20 08:56:29 PM
TWC Breaking @TWCBreaking 1m

AP reports at least 120 people, including 70 children, hospitalized with injuries from today's OKC/Moore
 
2013-05-20 08:56:31 PM

Bontesla: I've heard that Moore Medical is destroyed. Dispatchers were trying to contact the facility....


I'm pretty sure Moore Medical is where alllll those cars were piled up against a building.
 
2013-05-20 08:56:35 PM

Di Atribe: Linkster: slackerboy: I haven't read the thread, but what we've been talking about here is, why the fark don't schools in a tornado zone have a saferoom?  Reinforced concrete, a couple of feet down.  ~75 people is what I've seen.  It doesn't have to be that big, you can cram them in for the hour or so before help gets there.  This country is retarded.

It's Called money, ask your farking banker!

I'm amazed at how many people are really asking "the tough questions" about why buildings aren't built a certain way. As if NO ONE has thought of their solutions before. Ooooooh they're so smart!


The main reason is money, in that area bedrock is only a few feet down, not enough to excavate. so if you want a basement, your 150,000 dollar house, just became a 500,000 dollar house.
Asking the tough questions, I don't know, for the past 150 years, it's being done as good as is feasible.

Sorry, life is a biatch and all you easterners should not be surprised by this, those of us that grew up and or live in Tornado Alley know that any giving day you could have your ass sent into the next county.

Tragic YES.
 
2013-05-20 08:57:06 PM

knbber2: Bunny Deville: Anyway, the moral of the story is that North Alabama is generally more prone to EF3 and above tornadoes than anywhere else on the planet, so we take that shiat seriously up here.

Jeez, didn't know that.  I've lived in several states that are prone and I've been through a few (luckily missed our house), but other than the Omaha tornado, they were relatively small.  You keep your head down and stay safe.


After researching all of those tornadoes, I found out that they like to form on the OTHER side of the mountain from my house. This makes me a happy bunny.

Madison/Harvest/Monrovia, now... those people need to worry.
 
2013-05-20 08:57:12 PM

The Downfall: 51 confirmed dead, per CBS news


That's ramping up far too quickly if true.  Not good.
 
2013-05-20 08:57:17 PM
CBS News @CBSNews 32s

LIVE: Moore, OK news conference is now underway. At least 51 fatalities reported by medical examiner.
 
2013-05-20 08:57:43 PM

Tom_Slick: TommyDeuce: Apartment I'm in for the rest of the week is in PTC - love walking the trails (and dodging golf carts)

You can get a DUI on a Golf Cart just ask the former Mayor.


I assume all carts are driven by drunks, children and/or fools.
 
2013-05-20 08:58:07 PM

derpy: Bontesla: I've heard that Moore Medical is destroyed. Dispatchers were trying to contact the facility....

I'm pretty sure Moore Medical is where alllll those cars were piled up against a building.


Yeah. That's my understanding, too.
 
2013-05-20 08:58:19 PM
Apparently the other school was hit worse than the one they have been focusing on all afternoon.
 
2013-05-20 08:58:30 PM
Apparently the debris from Moore is still coming down in Arkansas, according to the weather guy from KFOR....
 
2013-05-20 08:58:39 PM
As a small town first responder I have seen some things that have rattled my cage but I pray to  Buddha, Allah, Brahma, Vishnu, Siva, trees, mushrooms, and Isadora Duncan  that I never find myself in this kind of rescue/recovery situation.

My heart goes out to the people of Moore.
 
2013-05-20 08:58:56 PM

mrshowrules: The Downfall: 51 confirmed dead, per CBS news

That's ramping up far too quickly if true.  Not good.


CBS is getting their numbers from the state medical examiner
 
2013-05-20 08:58:57 PM

Mistymtnhop: Is the wind so powerful that it can peel asphalt and concrete off of the ground? It 's too difficult to fathom.


yes they can..but it is more suction than wind.
 
2013-05-20 08:58:58 PM

Uchiha_Cycliste: Thanks! Do you know what it is like way above the tornado?
Does that suction dissipate above the clouds, or create a huge upwards force for miles upwards? would a plane flying at 40,000 feet, 10,000 ft above the top of the clouds be safe?


It goes up until it hits a temperature inversion layer (where the tops of the clouds form an "Anvil"). From there it more or less spreads out horizontally. That can be as high as 60K feet or so.
 
2013-05-20 08:59:15 PM
 
2013-05-20 08:59:17 PM

mr lawson: Uchiha_Cycliste: Thanks you guys for answering my sucky question. It was the first time I'd ever questioned the tornado's vortex and not just taken it's properties for granted.

it does indeed suck upward.
It is a VERY low pressure center.
The out gassing is near the top of the supercell.
That is why you have items found hundred of miles away.
some of the lighter stuff gets sucked up tens of thousands of feet into the air.


Wow, so TV/movies/cartoons are sort of a little bit accurate, if exaggerated. Thanks, this is really interesting to learn.
 
2013-05-20 08:59:36 PM

mrshowrules: That's ramping up far too quickly if true. Not good.


I'm getting kinda worried that they haven't shown the highways the tornado went over. They showed a bit earlier from one that was just a tangled mess of cars. Couldn't even tell which way they had been going or even if they had been on the highway previous.
 
2013-05-20 08:59:40 PM

Bunny Deville: After researching all of those tornadoes, I found out that they like to form on the OTHER side of the mountain from my house. This makes me a happy bunny.


That's good news,  Hey, I thought you were a TFer, or am I mistaken?
 
2013-05-20 08:59:43 PM
 
2013-05-20 09:00:17 PM
Farking MSNBC didn't switch to the conference....
 
2013-05-20 09:00:31 PM
Wheeling out the big screen TV, really?
 
2013-05-20 09:00:39 PM

WhyteRaven74: mrshowrules: That's ramping up far too quickly if true. Not good.

I'm getting kinda worried that they haven't shown the highways the tornado went over. They showed a bit earlier from one that was just a tangled mess of cars. Couldn't even tell which way they had been going or even if they had been on the highway previous.


Buildings that don't exist don't even provide a place to search so bodies could be anywhere.
 
2013-05-20 09:00:39 PM
A several ton oil tank flew at least a half mile.  Expert from the Weather Channel says that proves this was an F5.
 
2013-05-20 09:00:46 PM
Not reading all the way back,but I just got a text on how to send help, even if you choose not to use the Red Cross, text FOOD to 32333 for $10 to the Oklahoma City food bank, text STORM  to 80888 for $10 to the Salvation Army. Sending my $10 to the food bank
 
2013-05-20 09:01:05 PM

Uchiha_Cycliste: Can I ask a stupid question?
Do tornadoes really have super strong sucking upwards forces like cartoons depict? Or are the winds just really strong spinning winds that sometimes happen to have debris make their way upwards?
Does the question make sense? Put another way, is the center of a tornado like a vacuum or just fierce spinning winds?


Hhmmm both. Technically it just spins however when you have a large body of air/water etc spinning at high rate, partial vacuum and suction is automatically create.
 
2013-05-20 09:01:26 PM

skozlaw: Farking MSNBC didn't switch to the conference....


Neither is KFOR.
 
2013-05-20 09:01:29 PM

Mistymtnhop: Is the wind so powerful that it can peel asphalt and concrete off of the ground? It 's too difficult to fathom.


It gets scoured off. Kinda like sandblasting only much worse.
 
2013-05-20 09:01:48 PM

Radioactive Ass: Uchiha_Cycliste: Thanks! Do you know what it is like way above the tornado?
Does that suction dissipate above the clouds, or create a huge upwards force for miles upwards? would a plane flying at 40,000 feet, 10,000 ft above the top of the clouds be safe?

It goes up until it hits a temperature inversion layer (where the tops of the clouds form an "Anvil"). From there it more or less spreads out horizontally. That can be as high as 60K feet or so.


Wow. So a plane would have to be really, REALLY high up. Not something for a commercial airliner.
 
2013-05-20 09:01:48 PM
Does anyone have any word on the oil field that was hit? HAZMAT was being called - oil was spilling into a creek.
 
2013-05-20 09:01:51 PM

LessO2: Wheeling out the big screen TV, really?


Do it before the looters do?
 
2013-05-20 09:02:36 PM

QueenMamaBee: Not reading all the way back,but I just got a text on how to send help, even if you choose not to use the Red Cross, text FOOD to 32333 for $10 to the Oklahoma City food bank, text STORM to 80888 for $10 to the Salvation Army. Sending my $10 to the food bank


Which is fine, but people should also need be dissuaded from using the Red Cross. If you really believe the derp about them, fine, send to one of the other places, but don't just not donate because one dickhead said stupid things about them on TV.
 
2013-05-20 09:02:41 PM

Tom_Slick: TommyDeuce: a battery powered radio

I am a dumbass, I honestly did not think of that,  too reliant on internet based tech.

/Off to Radio Shack in the morning.


There's those dynamo crank powered radios these days too. Some even have a USB port to charge things like your phone.
 
2013-05-20 09:02:50 PM

spidermilk: optikeye: Geeze their interviewing one guy that's home was destroyed and he's talking about how all his guns where in a gun safe and he only lost one gun. Seriously, WTF dude.

1. Your home is destroyed by a huge massive force and you miraculously survive- he is probably in a bit of a daze/shock.

2. People don't practice what they are going to say when their home is destroyed and the news want to interview them.

3. Give the guy a break his home was destroyed and he probably has no idea what friends and neighbors have or have not lost.


bears repeating.  I know it's fun to make fun of the rednecks (8 years in OK, the rest in MS), but these folks have lost everything.  I know its Fark, but a little decency might be in order tonight.
 
2013-05-20 09:03:01 PM

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: A several ton oil tank flew at least a half mile.  Expert from the Weather Channel says that proves this was an F5.


I'll wait until the Weather Service declares it as such.   Hard to believe a source that is consistently trying to drum up shait and naming winter storms.
 
2013-05-20 09:03:10 PM
OU Prime is off line.... It is (was?) the best weather radar in the world.  It was on the Moore side of Norman.
 
2013-05-20 09:03:18 PM

hasty ambush: Outrageous Muff: Personally, I blame Al Gore for inventing Climate Change.


March 2013 Tornadoes: Fewest in Decades

Global warming has stalled since 1998


2013 is an odd year, because the global warming situated itself over Greenland.  This caused colder air to stay over the US and make the first 5 months colder than normal.

Basically, March-like weather is just NOW starting to happen - which is why we're seeing the crazy tornado outbreaks of yesterday, today, and tomorrow.
 
2013-05-20 09:03:22 PM

TommyDeuce: LessO2: Wheeling out the big screen TV, really?

Do it before the looters do?


Eh, if you care about your TV that much after all this... Or if it's worth that much.
 
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