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(South Florida News-Press)   18' 8" Burmese python, about 10 pair of boots, caught on side of the road   (news-press.com ) divider line
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2013-05-21 02:03:32 AM  
Smackledorfer:

I'm confused, are you saying reptiles are more aggressive than "most creatures" or less, because they don't care, and how does that affect whether there has to be more to the story or not?

My experience with snakes (and most creatures :D ) is that at best they are never completely predictable, so I'm not going to sit behind my computer and tell someone hundreds of miles away what a critter did in response to his actions.


I don't think reptiles are more aggressive, by nature, than any other creature even though they are pretty much all carnivores.  But every time I've handled one, snake, lizard, iguana, whatever... it's not like picking up a puppy.  Reptiles look at you like they just want a chance to kill and eat you and don't care if you weigh ten times their weight. There is no anthropomorphism with a reptile.  OK, maybe if you're psychotic.  The whole story just sounded fishy to me.  Driving down a random road, saw part of a snake, had to stop and mess with it, it was the biggest ever, tried to attack me, good thing I had a knife, hello Guinness book of world records...
 
2013-05-21 02:37:56 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Ryker's Peninsula: There's got to be more to the story than is being reported.  Most creatures in nature will leave you alone unless you come at them to do harm.  Reptiles are different, they don't care.  An 18 foot snake is a freaking monster.  I've taken care of boas and pythons for friends that were 6 feet long, and people wouldn't be in the same room as the cage they were in.  Feeding something like that was always a little scary. A snake 3 times as big as me, I'm going no where near even if I've got Ice Cube and Jennifer Lopez next to me.

I posted a link to the Miami Herald which tells much more.  The story is perfectly believable.  Guy saw snake sticking three feet out of roadside brush, stopped,  grabbed it behind the head.  Snake wrapped around his leg for leverage in an attempt to pull its head free.  Guy didn't release head for fear of getting bitten.  Snake probably threw more coils around him (having plenty to spare).  Friends were useless.  Guy finally felt he had to kill it.

Had he released the snake's head, it would likely not have struck at him.  It would have headed straight for the brush.  Snakes are wise critters who do not seek trouble and try to escape it as soon as possible.

IDK how you were feeding boas but when prey comes near them they strike it quickly, of course. OTOH, I've seen large pythons in zoos that had exquisite table manners; they would simply rear up a foot or two, open their jaws like baby birds, and wait for the keeper to drop dead  chickens into their mouths.

I always fed mine live food; that's one of the best parts of keeping snakes.


Oh shiat, you're "snake guy". Do you also have rollerblades and a ponytail?
 
2013-05-21 03:27:04 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: I always fed mine live food; that's one of the best parts of keeping snakes.


That's cruel to the animals, but since you likely don't care, consider that it's cruel to the snake because a rat or mouse can fark up a captive snake pretty bad. The only time I've seen a pro feed live food to his animals was a herpetologist putting live mice on a float in the caiman tub, but crocs are not snakes. A snake may like it's food warm and wiggling, but that's what hot water and a long hemostat is for.
 
2013-05-21 03:27:50 AM  
its != it's, my bad.
 
2013-05-21 03:30:55 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I always fed mine live food; that's one of the best parts of keeping snakes.

Oh shiat, you're "snake guy". Do you also have rollerblades and a ponytail?


LOL! Had a ponytail, never rollerbladed.
 
2013-05-21 03:46:08 AM  
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2013-05-21 03:49:50 AM  

UsikFark: BarkingUnicorn: I always fed mine live food; that's one of the best parts of keeping snakes.

That's cruel to the animals, but since you likely don't care, consider that it's cruel to the snake because a rat or mouse can fark up a captive snake pretty bad. The only time I've seen a pro feed live food to his animals was a herpetologist putting live mice on a float in the caiman tub, but crocs are not snakes. A snake may like it's food warm and wiggling, but that's what hot water and a long hemostat is for.


Buddhists don't kill what they're not going to eat.
 
2013-05-21 04:49:33 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: UsikFark: BarkingUnicorn: I always fed mine live food; that's one of the best parts of keeping snakes.

That's cruel to the animals, but since you likely don't care, consider that it's cruel to the snake because a rat or mouse can fark up a captive snake pretty bad. The only time I've seen a pro feed live food to his animals was a herpetologist putting live mice on a float in the caiman tub, but crocs are not snakes. A snake may like it's food warm and wiggling, but that's what hot water and a long hemostat is for.

Buddhists don't kill what they're not going to eat.


They sell bulk bags of frozen rodents for reptile food. Feeding live rodents to captive snakes breaks DBAA.
 
2013-05-21 06:08:28 AM  
Read the comments on the first article for world-class derp.

What part of "invasive species destroying native wildlife" do people not understand?
 
2013-05-21 07:24:11 AM  
Mention of "Burma" and "roadside" and not one "shave."

// Not even close.
 
2013-05-21 08:06:15 AM  
Thumbs down for the dipshiat that killed the snake.
 
2013-05-21 08:26:38 AM  
"Scary" Tag trumped "Florida" Tag?

/I suppose they're interchangeable, though
 
2013-05-21 09:21:04 AM  

squibbits: Thumbs down for the dipshiat that killed the snake.


The python thing in Florida is a big problem. Just a couple idiots dumped their pet snakes that don't belong on this continent into the Everglades and now there's hundreds of them eating all the rest of the wildlife and destroying the ecosystem. Sorry but they need to be killed.
 
2013-05-21 10:19:57 AM  

desertmouse: quietwalker: Note that it doesn't say it bit him?

If a burmese python was attacking him, it would have bit and then constricted.  More likely, it was once owned, felt no fear from humans, and crawled over expecting to be warm and eventually taken care of, and was no more threat to a full grown human moving in a non-threatening way than a pool noodle would be, wielded by a 5 year old.  It's not a poisonous snake, or a violent one like an anaconda, heck, they don't even move very fast compared to most snakes.

'course, it actually could have been attacking, but it sounds like at best, he provoked it and then stabbed it until it died.  I bet he didn't do anything as compassionate as sever the spinal cord.  Anyone who goes into the roadside brush to screw with a snake and then 'kills it with a knife' after it winds around his leg sounds like a douchebag.  Since he apparently owns/owned a burmese himself, I'd even bet he's the sort of person that got a snake just so he could watch it kill things for his enjoyment.

Several years ago, a pet Burmese python got out of its container, stalked, bit, constricted and killed a two-year old girl while everyone in the house was sleeping.  In Florida of course.  That pretty much negates anything you may have to say on the subject.


The vast majority of deaths by 'pet' snakes are due to negligence by the owners: allowing them to interact unattended with children or small pets, passing out or becoming drunk/high, etc.

Unlike standard pets, snakes are not domesticated.  They are, at all times, wild animals.  They can't really even be trained - they're just a bunch of instincts with some really basic pattern recognition.  That doesn't mean you can't interact with them safely, but you can't treat them like a cat or dog.  There are many people that think they have some sort of mystical empathy with animals, that they won't be harmed by even potentially dangerous animals, and snake owners are no exception.  They also, for whatever reason, tend to be ignorant white trash hicks.

You can check the stats themselves, but for pure venomous snake deaths, you almost have as many deaths per year from 'captive' snakes as you have wild snakes.  Outside of religious themes, you'll often note the phrase "alcohol was involved".  There's so few non-venomous snake deaths in the US, it's hard to find discrete statistics, but I can't remember one case in the US that didn't involve a pet vs. a wild animal.

Bravo to this guy for removing an ecological disaster and genuine safety hazard in whatever fashion he deemed appropriate.

I doubt that it was a safety hazard for humans, and probably could have been removed from the environment with no great effort.
 
2013-05-21 10:26:34 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: quietwalker: Note that it doesn't say it bit him?

If a burmese python was attacking him, it would have bit and then constricted.  More likely, it was once owned, felt no fear from humans, and crawled over expecting to be warm and eventually taken care of, and was no more threat to a full grown human moving in a non-threatening way than a pool noodle would be, wielded by a 5 year old.  It's not a poisonous snake, or a violent one like an anaconda, heck, they don't even move very fast compared to most snakes.

'course, it actually could have been attacking, but it sounds like at best, he provoked it and then stabbed it until it died.  I bet he didn't do anything as compassionate as sever the spinal cord.  Anyone who goes into the roadside brush to screw with a snake and then 'kills it with a knife' after it winds around his leg sounds like a douchebag.  Since he apparently owns/owned a burmese himself, I'd even bet he's the sort of person that got a snake just so he could watch it kill things for his enjoyment.

Notice where it says he grabbed it by the head, not the tail?   Miami Herald has a much more detailed account.  The guy cut the snake's head off.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/05/20/3407473/palmetto-bay-man-wrest le s-kills.html

"Leon said he wrestled with the python for about 10 minutes before reaching for a knife to destroy it. He reported the find to wildlife authorities, who brought the snake to University of Florida's Fort Lauderdale Research and Education Center for a necropsy.

"The "thin but healthy" snake had not been carrying eggs and had nothing in its digestive system save for a single bird feather, center spokeswoman Carolina Revilla-Vendrame said."


Thank you for the additional information.  I still maintain that it was not attacking, but he was right to worry about it getting around his neck regardless of it's posture.  That's just not a safe position to be in even if it's a friendly pet.  I'd blame him for putting himself in it, and being a general dumbass.

Still, in 10 minutes, I'm surprised he couldn't just remove it.  it was apparently passive enough that he was able to walk in and grab it by the head/neck.  The biggest obstacle to removal at that point would be doing it without hurting the snake.
 
2013-05-21 12:12:26 PM  

quietwalker: I still maintain that it was not attacking


Even though you admit that animals are unpredictable, you are still surprisingly sure that the story couldn't have happened the way it was reported, based purely on hunches.

Doesn't that seem stupid to you?

Also, since it is legal to kill these snakes in florida, why would anyone feel the need to make up a story anyways? This guy could easily just say  "hey I saw a big snake so I went and knifed the shiat out of it, amurica!" and it would have STILL been a story based on the size of the snake, and the guy would have come off pretty much the same as he is under the story the way the article(s) present it.
 
2013-05-21 01:48:52 PM  

quietwalker: I'd even bet he's the sort of person that got a snake just so he could watch it kill things for his enjoyment.


Um, what other reason(s) are there?
 
2013-05-21 03:48:45 PM  

UsikFark: They sell bulk bags of frozen rodents for reptile food. Feeding live rodents to captive snakes breaks DBAA.


So I should pay someone to be an asshole for me?  I do that only with lawyers and cops, out of necessity.

Freezing is a slow death of greater suffering than suffocation.  If you imagine that rodent breeders humanely euthanize  before freezing, you are delusional.  They just  put a bin full of rodents (cute, hairless newborns, too) in the freezer and call it a day.

There are delusional people who recommend "humane" ways to "pre-kill" rodents.  (Note the absurdity of that term.)

1. "Cervical dislocation" is breaking necks.  While it may stop movement, who's to say how long consciousness remains?
2. Carbon dioxide:  no different from constriction,  both are suffocation.  Constriction is quicker.
3. Drowning:  also suffocation.
4. Put a rodent in a bag and bash it on a counter until it stops moving.  AYFKM?

The goofiest thing I've ever seen is "snake sausages:"  ground up rodent stuffed in a casing.  They have to be force-fed, which is  rather unhealthy for the snake.  The rodents surely go into the grinder alive.  But they don't look anything like an animal, so the human's conscience is comfortably deceived.

In terms of karma, it's a matter of intent. I fed snakes to keep them alive, not to kill rodents.  I took pleasure in observing how the snakes kept themselves alive, not in how the rodents died.  "It's all part of life in The Wild Kingdom," as Marlin Perkins used to  say.
 
2013-05-21 04:02:13 PM  

quietwalker: Thank you for the additional information.  I still maintain that it was not attacking, but he was right to worry about it getting around his neck regardless of it's posture.  That's just not a safe position to be in even if it's a friendly pet.  I'd blame him for putting himself in it, and being a general dumbass.

Still, in 10 minutes, I'm surprised he couldn't just remove it.  it was apparently passive enough that he was able to walk in and grab it by the head/neck.  The biggest obstacle to removal at that point would be doing it without hurting the snake.


If his two friends knew how to handle large snakes, they could have managed it.  One guy against that enormous critter, I wouldn't bet on it.

If you confine your moral perspective to the man and the snake, leaving the latter alone is the correct choice.  If you look at the larger picture of the harm that the snake and its brethren do, removing it from the environment is the correct choice.  If you can't remove it alive, killing it is all that remains.
 
2013-05-21 04:19:09 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: UsikFark: They sell bulk bags of frozen rodents for reptile food. Feeding live rodents to captive snakes breaks DBAA.

So I should pay someone to be an asshole for me?  I do that only with lawyers and cops, out of necessity.

Freezing is a slow death of greater suffering than suffocation.  If you imagine that rodent breeders humanely euthanize  before freezing, you are delusional.  They just  put a bin full of rodents (cute, hairless newborns, too) in the freezer and call it a day.

There are delusional people who recommend "humane" ways to "pre-kill" rodents.  (Note the absurdity of that term.)

1. "Cervical dislocation" is breaking necks.  While it may stop movement, who's to say how long consciousness remains?
2. Carbon dioxide:  no different from constriction,  both are suffocation.  Constriction is quicker.
3. Drowning:  also suffocation.
4. Put a rodent in a bag and bash it on a counter until it stops moving.  AYFKM?

The goofiest thing I've ever seen is "snake sausages:"  ground up rodent stuffed in a casing.  They have to be force-fed, which is  rather unhealthy for the snake.  The rodents surely go into the grinder alive.  But they don't look anything like an animal, so the human's conscience is comfortably deceived.

In terms of karma, it's a matter of intent. I fed snakes to keep them alive, not to kill rodents.  I took pleasure in observing how the snakes kept themselves alive, not in how the rodents died.  "It's all part of life in The Wild Kingdom," as Marlin Perkins used to  say.


To kill a single mouse you actually knock it out with a blow only to the head, it's all in the wrist and the mouse never sees it coming. Breeders use CO2 and I have no problem with that. Pinkies are not cute, fuzzies are a little cute, but mice and rats are not cute until they are hoppers (ambulatory) IMO.
 
2013-05-21 04:59:55 PM  

UsikFark: To kill a single mouse you actually knock it out with a blow only to the head, it's all in the wrist and the mouse never sees it coming. Breeders use CO2 and I have no problem with that. Pinkies are not cute, fuzzies are a little cute, but mice and rats are not cute until they are hoppers (ambulatory) IMO.


To each his own delusions. Boston University's discussion of CO2 euthanasia.

" In adult mice and rats, unconsciousness occurs within 10 seconds and death occurs within 1-2 minutes of exposure to 100% CO2. (Note:Newborn animals and pups are highly resistant to CO2, and require at least 10 minutes of exposure to ensure death.)

100% CO2 levels are not achieved instantaneously; distress builds as CO2 level rises.  Constriction kills in about the same time.

"Exposure to carbon dioxide (CO2) can cause deep narcosis that can appear to be, but is not, death. In such cases, animals that superficially appear to be dead may eventually awaken; this arousal can occur after the disposal of carcasses into refrigerators or freezers."

Snake food breeders do not go to the elaborate extremes described in BU's article to ensure that rodents are really dead.  They'd go out of business if they tried.
 
2013-05-21 06:24:00 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: 2. Carbon dioxide:  no different from constriction,  both are suffocation.  Constriction is quicker.


I thought you just went to sleep when the oxygen levels were slowly lowered.

That is absolutely infinitely more humane than being choked out.
 
2013-05-21 06:29:51 PM  

Mugato: squibbits: Thumbs down for the dipshiat that killed the snake.

The python thing in Florida is a big problem. Just a couple idiots dumped their pet snakes that don't belong on this continent into the Everglades and now there's hundreds of them eating all the rest of the wildlife and destroying the ecosystem. Sorry but they need to be killed.


So, how did that "Python Whacking Festival" work out for you?  Get any?
 
2013-05-21 07:30:12 PM  
That looks like a reticulated python.  So there.
 
2013-05-21 07:36:23 PM  

Smackledorfer: BarkingUnicorn: 2. Carbon dioxide:  no different from constriction,  both are suffocation.  Constriction is quicker.

I thought you just went to sleep when the oxygen levels were slowly lowered.


CO2 triggers a distress response.  Helium and other inert gases do not,  which is why helium is fashionable for suicides.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_bag

But research labs, animal pounds, and snake food breeders find helium too expensive, so  they invent bullshiat about how humane CO2 suffocation is.   All of the "humane" methods of killing are shams designed to minimize observers' suffering by enabling the delusion that death is without suffering.

To minimize a death row inmate's suffering, tell him he's been pardoned and drop a cargo container on him as he walks out the prison gate; he'll die as happy as he can be!   Oh, but that would give everyone nightmares.  So instead, let's make him anticipate death for a couple of decades, then walk "the last mile" and submit to being strapped down with dignity and patience.  Then let's spend 45 minutes poking a needle into his arm in search of a good vein, and  gag him if he protests enough to disturb the audience.  Finally, let's inject him with stuff that hides whatever he is experiencing from the audience.

Giving live prey to snakes is no different from sending cows out to pasture; you're just bringing prey and predator together.  The morally irrelevant distinction is that you can't observe the grass' suffering.
 
2013-05-21 09:19:08 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Smackledorfer: BarkingUnicorn: 2. Carbon dioxide:  no different from constriction,  both are suffocation.  Constriction is quicker.

I thought you just went to sleep when the oxygen levels were slowly lowered.

CO2 triggers a distress response.  Helium and other inert gases do not,  which is why helium is fashionable for suicides.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_bag

But research labs, animal pounds, and snake food breeders find helium too expensive, so  they invent bullshiat about how humane CO2 suffocation is.   All of the "humane" methods of killing are shams designed to minimize observers' suffering by enabling the delusion that death is without suffering.

To minimize a death row inmate's suffering, tell him he's been pardoned and drop a cargo container on him as he walks out the prison gate; he'll die as happy as he can be!   Oh, but that would give everyone nightmares.  So instead, let's make him anticipate death for a couple of decades, then walk "the last mile" and submit to being strapped down with dignity and patience.  Then let's spend 45 minutes poking a needle into his arm in search of a good vein, and  gag him if he protests enough to disturb the audience.  Finally, let's inject him with stuff that hides whatever he is experiencing from the audience.

Giving live prey to snakes is no different from sending cows out to pasture; you're just bringing prey and predator together.  The morally irrelevant distinction is that you can't observe the grass' suffering.


Interesting.  Still has to be better than constriction though. meh.

As for feeding snakes life prey, I have zero problem with that.
 
2013-05-21 09:42:54 PM  

Smackledorfer: Still has to be better than constriction though. meh.


Shock is a great painkiller.
 
2013-05-22 06:07:40 AM  

Ryker's Peninsula: special20: Ryker's Peninsula: mudpants:

zappa is kinda old and suks, come up with something new and or funny

Zappa is dead and his music is mostly unlistenable except to old white guys.
But that reference was spot on.


Learn to compose music, have several millions of fans, delight fans all over the planet, then get back to me. Otherwise, you're just being a dick.

Eat yellow snow.


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That's right
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