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2013-05-20 06:00:24 PM

WhyteRaven74: craigzy: but do you need a special pass from the cops to be a storm chaser?

Nope, there's a few Farkers who are storm chasers. I'm sure they'll show up eventually.


I wonder if they're out chasing.
 
2013-05-20 06:00:40 PM
man, woman, and baby found dead in the 7-eleven..

I have a bad feeling the body count is gonna be much higher than Joplin.
 
2013-05-20 06:00:40 PM
This is a very serious situation, but I had to laugh when KFOR out of Oklahoma City interviewed a black guy named Lando.
 
2013-05-20 06:00:54 PM

WhyteRaven74: craigzy: but do you need a special pass from the cops to be a storm chaser?

Nope, there's a few Farkers who are storm chasers. I'm sure they'll show up eventually.


I'm a spotter, but I don't chase. Chasing takes a brand of crazy that I am not.
 
2013-05-20 06:00:59 PM
This is horrific....
 
2013-05-20 06:01:04 PM
KOCO 5 news live vid
 
2013-05-20 06:01:04 PM

ravenlore: Preliminary EF4?

nothing swept clean? i find that difficult to believe.


Very preliminary.  The NWS guys who do the surveys are undoubtedly still busy with the active weather situation.  Wouldn't be surprised to see an upgrade later.
 
2013-05-20 06:01:08 PM
Interviewing a dude who discovered fatalities?!?
 
2013-05-20 06:01:10 PM

Warthog: Almost Everybody Poops: All kids at elementary school have been accounted for!!!

Finally good news.

Accounting for a child and confirming the child is still drawing a breath are unfortunately two different things.


Trying not to think about that just yet. Everyone made it out of the daycare center and they're all okay - and they were right next door - so there's hope for the same at the school
 
2013-05-20 06:01:10 PM

Di Atribe: Marine1: They're possible, you just have to be willing to build one. We carved a damn fortress into Cheyenne Mountain, for fark's sake.

They should be built into the price of a home. This thing where people get killed and they find the corpse 1/2 a mile away from the home because they didn't have anywhere to go is getting really old. Especially when it's a kid.

Yeah ok whatever you say. I suppose you're the expert in the geology of Oklahoma. Again, if they were widely available & feasible, don't you think everyone would have one?


They probably don't have them because of the costs associated.

You're talking a guy who grew up in the Missouri River Valley. They'd find limestone boulders the size of Honda Civics when they were digging foundations in my neighborhood growing up. I know what a pain it is to remove huge hunks of rock from the ground. It's worse to be dead.
 
2013-05-20 06:01:14 PM

Professor Farksworth: craigzy: this is probably a stupid question, but do you need a special pass from the cops to be a storm chaser?

Most of us are volunteers who work with the National Weather Service's SkyWarn program. We have decals on our cars that indicate us as SkyWarn Storm Spotters but we get no special privileges with speed/red lights etc. but occasionally do get access to damage sites.

/SkyWarn Spotter for 3 years
//Cops let me in to inspect local fairgrounds that got hit by an EF-2


My FIL volunteers with SkyWarn - but he works the HAM radio dispatch.
 
2013-05-20 06:01:25 PM

Coco LaFemme: Almost Everybody Poops: Dumb-ass reporter talking to a guy who lost is home:

"Where do you live? Where is your home?"

Guy points to wreckage.

Apparently when you go into broadcast journalism, they don't make you take a class on how to speak someone who has just been affected by a natural disaster.


Oh yes they do.  That's part of the reason Fark was invented.
 
2013-05-20 06:01:31 PM
Marine1:
They're possible, you just have to be willing to build one. We carved a damn fortress into Cheyenne Mountain, for fark's sake.

They should be built into the price of a home. This thing where people get killed and they find the corpse 1/2 a mile away from the home because they didn't have anywhere to go is getting really old. Especially when it's a kid.


Why would a business offer a service like that at a price people here could afford, much less for free? They're there to make money, not care about people.
 
2013-05-20 06:02:14 PM

Almost Everybody Poops: man, woman, and baby found dead in the 7-eleven..

I have a bad feeling the body count is gonna be much higher than Joplin.


How many died in Joplin?  *googles*
 
2013-05-20 06:02:14 PM
Agape (sp) daycare was destroyed but all children made it out beforehand and are OK (no pun intended)
 
2013-05-20 06:02:26 PM
Ok, that is creepy.  You can see the track in Google's traffic monitor.  Just this big hole where there are no cars.  and big red lines leading in.
 
2013-05-20 06:02:51 PM

Popcorn Johnny: How can there possibly be schools in Oklahoma without underground tornado shelters?


water table, Oklahoma sits on top of a huge aquifer, one of the biggest in the world that stretches north through Nebraska, Kansas etc.
 
2013-05-20 06:02:58 PM

dugitman: LeadFootSpiderMonkey: I dont have TF right now, so I can't post a TFD thread. We have family in Wagoner, Ok, the storms are headed there, I dont think they have a safe place to hunker down, any TFers in the area have a little extra room?????

gave you TF


Guess your five bucks is worth it. His wasn't.
 
2013-05-20 06:03:06 PM

zomega: Almost Everybody Poops: man, woman, and baby found dead in the 7-eleven..

I have a bad feeling the body count is gonna be much higher than Joplin.

How many died in Joplin?  *googles*


I believe 100 give or take.
 
2013-05-20 06:03:27 PM

ariseatex: Nope. Most of the larger groups won't take you along unless you go through training,


The training involves watching the movie Twister and listening to a guy named Skeeter talk about chasing a real hurricane in his pickup truck one time.
 
2013-05-20 06:03:35 PM
All, jokes aside...hope all farkers, their friends, and families are ok.
 
2013-05-20 06:03:39 PM

mikaloyd: Former gas station with rescue attempts under the rubbl4e

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]


Ch9 just said it was a 7-11, and three deaths.
 
2013-05-20 06:03:40 PM

iheartscotch: LasersHurt: iheartscotch: / You'd have to make every single building tornado disruptive for it to be effective

The idea is more like a grid of devices throughout the area permanently in place for constant protection. It's also entirely academic.

They'd have to be completely independent of the power grid to function.

I suppose a bomb, detonated at the right altitude, COULD, possibly, disrupt the cyclonic effect. But, if you miss, or mess up; you blowup someone's cow



I don't think adding energy to it would help.  Storms are just natural heat driven convection on a macro scale.  If anything, you would need some deus ex machina that absorbs huge quantities of energy.  But then, thermodynamic law of conservation states that energy has to transfer somewhere...

/why yes, I did go see Star Trek this weekend
 
2013-05-20 06:03:42 PM
God DAMN... I just turned on the news and this looks depressingly bad.
 
2013-05-20 06:03:50 PM

netizencain: It doesn't take an expert to build a farking tornado shelter in a public building. So yes, explain to me the logic of electing to not do the right thing. Go ahead... you're the expert.


That's not what you asked. You asked why people get into a hallway, but I guess what you're really asking is why aren't safe rooms built into public buildings.

Try convincing a bunch of GOP faithful that they should cough up extra tax dollars to build a safe room in all public buildings for a once or twice in a lifetime event. Sure, at this point, it might be easy, but let's talk about it in a few months when the devastation isn't so fresh. For the types of tornadoes that USUALLY form (F2, F3), an interior room can keep you safe (including hallways). No outer walls, no windows. An interior room with plumbing is even better.

I'm no expert. But I've lived in Tornado Alley my entire life & I've got a degree in EM. I don't think I'm the final say, but I probably have studied situations like this more than you have.
 
2013-05-20 06:04:07 PM
Looks like we're going to see a few f4's today. The moore tornado was an f5 30mile track of flat foundations that prove it. Please donate to the red cross. Yeah I'm playing on your emotions but we are going to need help after today.
 
2013-05-20 06:04:07 PM

meyerkev: Ok, that is creepy.  You can see the track in Google's traffic monitor.  Just this big hole where there are no cars.  and big red lines leading in.


I think that pulls Data from Cell Towers to estimate cell phones in motion for a traffic guess. So, no cell towers--no data.
 
2013-05-20 06:04:27 PM

zomega: Almost Everybody Poops: man, woman, and baby found dead in the 7-eleven..

I have a bad feeling the body count is gonna be much higher than Joplin.

How many died in Joplin?  *googles*


122, I think.  This one could certainly challenge that number.
 
2013-05-20 06:04:43 PM
Power lines are down, and gas lines are broken.  This has the makings of something bad.
 
2013-05-20 06:05:01 PM

craigzy: KOCO 5 news live vid


What's funny is the "Most Popular" on the lower right.
1.  Storm Predictor
2.  Storm Pictures
3.  Mug Shots
4.  Storm Pictures
5.  Storm Pictures
6.  Storm Predictor
 
2013-05-20 06:05:03 PM

Almost Everybody Poops: man, woman, and baby found dead in the 7-eleven..

I have a bad feeling the body count is gonna be much higher than Joplin.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Tuscaloosa_-_Birmingham_tornado
Dont think itll be worse than this one death/injury wise
 
2013-05-20 06:05:19 PM

ArtosRC: WhyteRaven74: craigzy: but do you need a special pass from the cops to be a storm chaser?

Nope, there's a few Farkers who are storm chasers. I'm sure they'll show up eventually.

I wonder if they're out chasing.


I have friends who are out chasing now. They were in Tulsa OKC area but weren't around Moore. They all have degrees but many don't have any degrees and do it for fun. No training to be a chaser, but to be a trained spotter generally you have at least one class.
 
2013-05-20 06:05:20 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: It's not a stupid question, but it's about arguably stupid people. Fascinating as it is to see the footage from storm chasers, you have to question their judgment. If the storm turns unexpectedly there's nowhere to run, nowhere to hide.


There's places where you can watch from a safe distance.  These storms can easily make a 45 degree turn, but a complete 180 is impossible given the large-scale dynamics in which the storm forms.

I never went storm chasing, but I got to give the tours of our Meteorology department to prospective undergrads and their concerned parents.  First thing I'd tell them is that it's STORM CHASING, not the STORM CHASING YOU.  If the storm is coming toward you, forget chasing it, just get shelter.  You also don't chase in wooded or hilly areas, only in the flat plains where you can see for miles without something blocking your view.

But, like you said, there's stupid folks that ignore all precautions.

And some of them get cable shows.
 
2013-05-20 06:05:30 PM

God-is-a-Taco: Hmm... time to prepare to shelter I suppose.
I've never seen a tornado survive the journey into Tulsa county, but there's always room for exceptions.
Al Roker protect me!


Stay safe.
 
2013-05-20 06:05:34 PM

Bunny Deville: Watch out, you,re next, cells forming SW of DFW.


We've got a pretty decent cap in place, so not much should get through. We are under a tornado watch, however.
 
2013-05-20 06:05:54 PM

zomega: Almost Everybody Poops: man, woman, and baby found dead in the 7-eleven..

I have a bad feeling the body count is gonna be much higher than Joplin.

How many died in Joplin?  *googles*


I don't think it's going to pass the Joplin death toll (158) but it may pass the 1999 Moore (36)

Both Joplin and Moore were F5
 
2013-05-20 06:06:06 PM

ravenlore: Preliminary EF4?

nothing swept clean? i find that difficult to believe.


Joplin was EF4 before it got upgraded to EF5
 
2013-05-20 06:06:21 PM
Joplin wasn't upgraded to an EF5 until at least the day after. No way they are going to say preliminary 5 and take it away.
 
2013-05-20 06:06:23 PM

Di Atribe: Bunny Deville: Watch out, you,re next, cells forming SW of DFW.

We've got a pretty decent cap in place, so not much should get through. We are under a tornado watch, however.


Didn't DFW get hit last week?
 
2013-05-20 06:06:36 PM
Carl is of no use here.

www.blade-empire.com
 
2013-05-20 06:06:47 PM
Guy on the live feed just said 4th, 5th and 6th grade classes safe and at a local church from the flattened school.  At least six kindergarteners safe too, because their teacher lay on top of them in a bathroom.  They're still trying to get the status of the other class years.
 
2013-05-20 06:07:03 PM
i1182.photobucket.com

This is the stuff of nightmares.
 
2013-05-20 06:07:26 PM
4th, 5th, 6th grade classes accounted for. NOT the Kindergarten, 1st, 2nd, 3rd. Hysterical parents outside school. Jesus.
 
2013-05-20 06:07:27 PM

netizencain: How the fark is a 'hallway' a safe zone in a school in tornado alley?  Who the fark approves that?


You think we have the money to build tornado shelters in every school? You're confusing *safest* with *safe*.

It's also true that this is just a massive tornado. Most steel and cinderblock buildings don't have structural problems with small tornados, these kids just got really unlucky today. Do you want to guard yourself against 10-year storms? How about 100-year or 1000-year storms? What about 1000-year earthquakes? You only have so much money to build schools, and you can't make them invincible.
 
2013-05-20 06:07:31 PM
Anyone have a Moore sitrep/police scanner feed?
 
2013-05-20 06:07:39 PM
THANK YOU to the TFer who is remaining anonymous, they are about to head out, and will be there in less than 10 minutes, you guys rock!!! Thanks for helping keep my family safe while we are so far away!

/would have re-upped myself, but literally have like 75 cents to my name, thanks for the kindness fark, they are heading to a safe place now due to someone gifting me TF and someone in TFD saw it, and told them to come immediately. siiiiiiiiiiigh of relief.
 
2013-05-20 06:07:51 PM
New tornado SW of Rifts Junction, OK.
 
2013-05-20 06:08:25 PM

ArtosRC: LasersHurt: You only need to disturb the bottom of the rotation. A buffer layer of a few hundred to thousand feet would be enough to protect from the worst damage. It would still be a matter of enormous engineering, but I'm not suggesting stopping the entire tornado,  just breaking up the ground layer.

You are asking to create what amounts to a new mountain range in the nation's heartland. That is not "enormous engineering," but rather impossible engineering. Furthermore, there is no way to "disturb" the rotation. There is too much power from the other, oh, eight miles of vertical rotation to prevent any meaningful disruption. 

This is a force of nature. It cannot be stopped.


I never knew the winds went up that *high*.  It makes sense when I think about it...I guess you just mostly think about what you can see, which is the stuff close to the ground.  No wonder they find debris tens of miles away if it is carried up miles and miles into the atmosphere.  Incredible.
 
2013-05-20 06:08:31 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Anyone have a Moore sitrep/police scanner feed?


http://tunein.com/radio/Oklahoma-City-Police-s147235/
 
2013-05-20 06:08:38 PM

violentsalvation: God DAMN... I just turned on the news and this looks depressingly bad.


Yeah, it's looking pretty crappy but it seems the schools that got hit were safer places that homes or businesses.
 
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