Popcorn Johnny: What's the link for the scanner feed?
katfairy: According to some sources I've read, the average thunderstorm releases something on the order of twelve Hiroshima-sized nukes worth of energy every minute. An average thunderstorm. Tornadoes? I would imagine they would be a bit worse.
Andromeda: 75 kids trapped in debris at the schoolI hope CNN is wrong
theurge14: This is not a repeat from 1999.
Almost Everybody Poops: Orr Farm is destroyed!
PowerSlacker: zappaisfrank: Before watching the TV coverage of this, I had no idea there was a town in Oklahoma called "Liberal"...[i5.photobucket.com image 515x455]That's actually Liberal, Kansas.
tinfoil-hat maggie: I'm only imagining these things being a few hundred to thousand feet. Less than record-breaking skyscrapers, though admittedly we're asking it to take an enormous amount of side-winds. You'd almost need a super-structure to help them strengthen each other, and at that point it's basically a giant dumb dome to kill everyone when it collapses.Um, no the supercells that spawn tornadoes are 60,000+ ft tall and mountains although they can affect them they don't stop them. I live in an area that's had some bad tornadoes and has mountains.
mr lawson: LasersHurt: jst3p: LasersHurt: But this idea that tornados are unstoppable, forever, by anything, at all, is ridiculous and I won't have it.That isn't what you originally asked. Currently we can't build a vertical structure to break up the ground speed of a tornado, because ... we can't.Well, that's a bit obvious. I guess I should have phrased it more to the effect of "is anyone currently researching the idea of breaking up the ground level winds of a tornado." I can't imagine it's TECHNICALLY impossible, just improbable or uneconomical.well THAT's totally different.Yes you can.basically, one would have to build a sloping ring (think volcano) around a city and then put a dome on top.as the tornado approaches the slope (example west to east track) air in front of the tornado would be pull down the slope until the vertical twister consumed itself. The result would be the back side to the tornado would become parallel to the ground, until it reached the slope and the increase of pressure would dissipate it.At least until it reached the east side of the slope where it would reform*.*pulled out of my ass
LasersHurt: You don't need to stop the whole thing, just disturb the bottom-most part to lower wind speeds.
Now That's What I Call a Taco!: 75 kids could be buried under the debris at one of the schools:-(
ariseatex: PowerSlacker: ohdoublereally: Dear Mrs. ohdoublereally, here's another frigging reason I don't want to move from San Diego to Oklahoma.Why would anyone want to do that...ever?Jobs. There's a lot of meteorology jobs, both governmental and private, centered around Norman (just a few miles to the south). That's the only reason I'd ever move to Oklahoma, to work there.
RatOmeter: Di Atribe: MartinaMcSorley: Yeah, it seems like the best meteorologists come from Oklahoma. I guess I was just wondering if there is some sort of very local topography that makes some places more tornado-y than others. Like, with earthquakes, places that are/were wetlands shake worse than places that are solid granite. So, I was wondering if maybe hills or bodies of water could channel tornadoes into certain areas. Honestly, though, from what I see of OKC, there isn't a hill in the whole state. That place is flat, flat, flat!There are some short-ish mountains just south of OKC. That may contribute to a bit of direction. But it's not a guarantee. Chickashaw took a hit last year, I believe. But you're right, outside of those mountains, it is amazingly flat. Nothin between them & Canada but a barbed wire fence.Actually, OK has 12 unique "eco regions" that correspond roughly to different types of geography. Forests in the ESE, tall rolling green hills in part of the NE, planes, mesas, grassland, sand dunes - all sorts of terrain.
poe_zlaw: megalynn44: netizencain: do the elementary schools have basements in OKC?The news is saying basements in OK are rare because the ground is rock, which means you have to use dynomite to blast out a basement.Funny. I am in the underground business and have dug holes 55 ft deep, 100 ft across. I wonder how these work. ;)[i73.photobucket.com image 600x800]
Almost Everybody Poops: 4 year old and 3 month old baby didn't make it :((
soporific: To paraphrase the great Tater Salad, "It's not THAT the wind is blowing, it's WHAT the wind is blowing."
Almost Everybody Poops: It'll respect your right to be swept off your feet.
netizencain: How the fark is a 'hallway' a safe zone in a school in tornado alley? Who the fark approves that?
ArtosRC: LasersHurt: You don't need to stop the whole thing, just disturb the bottom-most part to lower wind speeds.You. Can't. The funnel is the focus of rotation of a ten-mile high wall of rotation. It is the single point of the fastest winds and rotation of the storm. The power involved cannot be prevented by engineering, but only endured. There is no way- and I cannot stress that enough -to slow it down, to nudge it, or to disrupt it. Few buildings can withstand a strong (EF3, some EF4) tornadoes, and incredibly few can withstand anything stronger; it is a matter of endurance. Tornadoes cannot be impacted by anything other than the ingredients in the atmosphere that create the storm to begin with. If anything, that's where you begin. But since large-scale projects (read: hurricane seeding) haven't yielded meaningful results, it's unlikely that would even help.You cannot stop a tornado; you can only hope that it misses you. This is not faith in the mystic, but rather a statement of fact.
LeadFootSpiderMonkey: I dont have TF right now, so I can't post a TFD thread. We have family in Wagoner, Ok, the storms are headed there, I dont think they have a safe place to hunker down, any TFers in the area have a little extra room?????
Di Atribe: poe_zlaw: megalynn44: netizencain: do the elementary schools have basements in OKC?The news is saying basements in OK are rare because the ground is rock, which means you have to use dynomite to blast out a basement.Funny. I am in the underground business and have dug holes 55 ft deep, 100 ft across. I wonder how these work. ;)[i73.photobucket.com image 600x800]Not sure if serious, considering your name, but it's not that simple, considering the geography. If basements were possible, don't you think we'd all have one? You think you're the first person to have this idea?
mikaloyd: They need some big ass skiploaders or something to clear paths for Emergency crews just to get through
Dusk-You-n-Me: [pbs.twimg.com image 768x1024]
ArtosRC: Jesus, the tornado outside of White Bead/Pauls Valley is as massive as the Moore tornado.
ringersol: ArtosRC: "This is a force of nature. It cannot be stopped."Neither can hurricanes. But as it turns out, there are man-made structures that we can put in their path that are wildly 'profitable' in reducing storm damage and improving outcomes.
ariseatex: netizencain: How the fark is a 'hallway' a safe zone in a school in tornado alley? Who the fark approves that?Only space in the building without windows? It's not the safest place imaginable, but it's the safest place in the building. If what I'm hearing about the water table preventing basement building, then the hallway is as safe as you can get.
uncleacid: The Weather Channel is like, what a terrible tragedy but our ratings are going through the roof.
LasersHurt: Felgraf: LasersHurt: Can't we put up some kind of vertical structures to break up the ground speeds of tornados? I've seen all manner of things designed to break up waves, etc - surely a similar principle could be used to protect residential areas?I think the kinetic energy just makes that impossible.The idea I had was just to disturb the bottom layer of the wind, not stop or disrupt the entire storm.
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