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(Opposing Views)   Attention all straight people with children, anything with the word "gay" in it is "inappropriate for kids," says anti-gay activist John Stemberger who is fighting to keep you-know-what out of the Boy Scouts   (opposingviews.com) divider line 202
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2013-05-20 06:58:53 PM
So I guess watching The Flintstones is out of the question.
 
2013-05-20 07:02:21 PM
Isn't that the policy of every public school these days?
 
2013-05-20 07:02:46 PM

Lorelle: This is perfectly acceptable, because "gay" isn't in it:

[pmlol.com image 623x480]


pmlol.com

I lol'd. I don't know if they still do group showers in schools, but as late as the early 90s (when I was in high school), that's how you showered after football practice. It was awkward because you had to do anything possible to not make eye contact with another guy's penis. I don't mean that to say that I'd be repulsed by it; it's just the unspoken rule not to be broken and sometimes when you turned around there was an unexpected dick right in front of you. After a few times in the shower you learn to just stop a giving a damn about being surrounded by penises. However, you never stared even if it was out of curiosity (half of human history can be explained as men comparing dick sizes).

"Hey Frank [whose dick is hanging out], that was an awesome punt return today."

"Thanks Alex [my dick also hanging out]." And then you just take a shower.

I imagine that groups showers no longer occur because of guys like the one in TFA being terrified that someone would be attracted to his son. Well, guess what bro - gay men have been looking at penises in group showers for as long as such showers have existed. Just as they've always been in the military and team sports. That it's 2013 and far fewer people care about teh ghey doesn't mean everyone suddenly turned fabulous overnight.
 
2013-05-20 07:03:18 PM

radiovox: So I guess watching The Flintstones is out of the question.


The Flintstones was a show developed for adults, not children.
 
Ant
2013-05-20 07:06:34 PM

InsaneJelloTroll: What about anything that has the word 'gay' in it?

  "James 2:3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:"


We already knew that the Holy Babble was inappropriate for kids.
 
2013-05-20 07:09:01 PM
imageshack.us
 
2013-05-20 07:20:49 PM

dickfreckle: Lorelle: This is perfectly acceptable, because "gay" isn't in it:

[pmlol.com image 623x480]

[pmlol.com image 623x480]

I lol'd. I don't know if they still do group showers in schools, but as late as the early 90s (when I was in high school), that's how you showered after football practice. It was awkward because you had to do anything possible to not make eye contact with another guy's penis. I don't mean that to say that I'd be repulsed by it; it's just the unspoken rule not to be broken and sometimes when you turned around there was an unexpected dick right in front of you. After a few times in the shower you learn to just stop a giving a damn about being surrounded by penises. However, you never stared even if it was out of curiosity (half of human history can be explained as men comparing dick sizes).

"Hey Frank [whose dick is hanging out], that was an awesome punt return today."

"Thanks Alex [my dick also hanging out]." And then you just take a shower.

I imagine that groups showers no longer occur because of guys like the one in TFA being terrified that someone would be attracted to his son. Well, guess what bro - gay men have been looking at penises in group showers for as long as such showers have existed. Just as they've always been in the military and team sports. That it's 2013 and far fewer people care about teh ghey doesn't mean everyone suddenly turned fabulous overnight.


Is Alex the one who coined your handle?
 
2013-05-20 07:28:04 PM
How gay.
 
2013-05-20 07:48:16 PM
memecrunch.com
 
2013-05-20 08:02:57 PM

cubic_spleen: BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOP!


I'm thankful that my drink was empty, or I'd be mopping it up right now.
 
2013-05-20 08:40:02 PM
We could always change the dictionary definition.  It's been done before.


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-20 08:45:38 PM

Lochsteppe: Is Alex the one who coined your handle?


Believe it or not, I don't actually have a freckle on my sadly average penis. The handle started as something of an inside joke after a girlfriend and her relatives got hold of my old login (because I gave it to them while drunk) but I kept using this one, which means my reputation (such as it is) is now to tied to this name. I want to change it but would hate having to spend two years rebuilding a reputation in the Fark.com community.

I'm dickfreckle all over the 'tubes. Now that I'm stuck with it, why the hell not.

Also, "Alex" is not my real name. But I needed a fake one when telling personal stories.
 
2013-05-20 08:49:08 PM

cubic_spleen: says anti-gay activist John Stemberger who is fighting to keep you-know-what out of the Boy Scouts

Let's see, what else do All Republicans (of whom Stemberger is the statistical average) hate?

- compassion
- wisdom
- humility
- humanity
- life
- the future

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOP!


Strange for the Strange Throne!
 
2013-05-20 09:00:36 PM
I'm guessing the son isn't gay. He tries to be all sly, but you can tell he's into the boobies. Then again, who isn't?

/I might not be no psychiatrist, I'm guessing that the kids watching a show with a gay person won't make them gay. Will & Grace annoyed the shiat out of me, though. Something about that gay Sambo character pissed me the hell off... mostly about the Sambo-ness, and not the gay-ness.
 
2013-05-20 09:12:50 PM
The way some are so vociferously railing against homosexuals today, you'd think gay was something that didnt exist before.
 
2013-05-20 09:22:18 PM
As a parent of 4 children I would love to tell this guy to shut the hell up.
 
2013-05-20 09:46:15 PM

Lorelle: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 500x1343]


On a  completely unrelated note....what the hell does "plain" Ovaltine taste like?
 
2013-05-20 09:56:58 PM
I like that phrase. "Anti-gay activist." Let me see if I have this right.


Anti-gay activist:

i2.ytimg.com

Anti-black activist:

lansingworkerscenter.files.wordpress.com

Anti-Catholic activist:

3.bp.blogspot.com

(and yes, that particular dob is none other than Nick "Testicle Face" Griffin)
 
2013-05-20 10:10:26 PM

Gordon Bennett: I like that phrase. "Anti-gay activist." Let me see if I have this right.


Anti-gay activist:

[i2.ytimg.com image 480x360]

Anti-black activist:

[lansingworkerscenter.files.wordpress.com image 600x464]

Anti-Catholic activist:

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 800x533]

(and yes, that particular dob is none other than Nick "Testicle Face" Griffin)


That woman wearing glasses in the KKK picture looks kind of like David Koresh. Any conspiracy theorists willing to run with this?
 
2013-05-20 10:25:24 PM
I am going to say something in a different direction,,,

Why then can or can't I do or say the same thing about "Christians?"  I could argue that (the forced) teaching of "Christianity"  violates my rights as a "Pagan." If I were to say the same sort of "education," or say that xian teachings were a problem, I would/have-been be vilified..

So many "Christians" complain now about being oppressed when they actively now, and have historically oppressed, anyone who is not "Christian" without at second thought. Why the duplicity?

/I once managed  the other half of a duplex to a hardcore "Evangelical Christian" family who freaked out and couldn't understand how I could be more "pure" and "pennant" and "moral" then they were, and be a "evil" pagan"...
 
2013-05-20 11:00:24 PM

TheDirtyNacho: Guys like this end up being gay themselves.  So self loathing they are, they try to suppress even the very mention of it.

I bet you this guy lusts for men and just can't stand it.


Specifically, anytime you come across someone who thinks teh gay is contagious, there are very good odds that that person experiences some same-sex attraction themselves, not reading that the vast majority are not and never will be "tempted" in the slightest.

Now, dudes who go on about how disgusting and horrible teh gay is, those guys are probably just assholes - though there's good odds that they are misogynists who live in mortal fear that some guy wants to treat them the way they themselves treat women.
 
2013-05-20 11:07:03 PM
No more "My Old Kentucky Home"...
 
2013-05-20 11:19:34 PM

Lorelle: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 500x1343]


I love it : )
 
2013-05-20 11:21:29 PM

exick: They want to promote political, social agendas and that's just utterly inappropriate when kida are involved.

It's at this point that his head should have exploded from the cognitive dissonance.


Fourteenth'ed or so... Sorry, don't have time to read the whole thread.
 
2013-05-21 12:34:28 AM
So how long before Mr. John Sternberger is caught with some rentboy or twink???
 
2013-05-21 12:43:00 AM

ISO15693: A few weekends ago, at an LDS father-son camp, we sang (among many other songs) "Kookaburra sits in the old gum tree":

Kookaburra sits in the old gum tree
Merry, merry king of the bush is he
Laugh, Kookaburra! Laugh, Kookaburra!
Gay your life must be

Not one person mentioned, or had an issue with, the last line of that verse. Everyone understood the context. There wasn't any reason to censor the song. It never occurred to me that it might be an issue for someone. The kids ranged from 2 to 16 or so.

The only reason we sang it was because one of the dads was Australian. Obviously the kids were smart enough to understand the context, with the word meaning happy.


Someone tell the primary, then.  "gladly helping each other, merry and happy and gay are they".
 
2013-05-21 12:44:58 AM

xria: "Anti-gay activist" has the word gay in it, so by his own rules he should have nothing to do with children and the Boy Scouts in particular, right?


Except he won't call himself an "anti-gay activist."   These right-wing folks never do.  Just as people opposed to legal abortion call themselves "Pro-Life" rather than "anti-choice" or "anti-abortion," the anti-gay folks like to call themselves "pro-family values" or something like that.

That's something the Right-wing folks do very effectively.  They take a neutral or positive term like "family" and charge it with a political meaning.
 
2013-05-21 01:03:39 AM

ciberido: xria: "Anti-gay activist" has the word gay in it, so by his own rules he should have nothing to do with children and the Boy Scouts in particular, right?

Except he won't call himself an "anti-gay activist."   These right-wing folks never do.  Just as people opposed to legal abortion call themselves "Pro-Life" rather than "anti-choice" or "anti-abortion," the anti-gay folks like to call themselves "pro-family values" or something like that.

That's something the Right-wing folks do very effectively.  They take a neutral or positive term like "family" and charge it with a political meaning.


Well of coarse you wouldn't expect them to call their organization we wanna crucify gay people would you?
 
2013-05-21 01:06:57 AM

Seventyfifth: No more "My Old Kentucky Home"...


They already had to edit that line once.
 
2013-05-21 01:11:52 AM

stampylives: namegoeshere: Wellon Dowd: As a Scout leader I'd advise anyone to keep their sons out of a troop that discusses the leaders' sexuality, whatever it is.

A straight scout leader could say, "My wife and I camped here last summer," without raising an eyebrow.  A gay scout leader (LOLWUT?) could not say, "My husband and I went camping here last summer," because that would be discussing their sexuality.

did your autocorrect turn "vacation" into "sexuality" at the end there, or are you just an asshole?


Well, since we're asking about motivations, did you fail to see his point because you're stupid, or are you pretending to be stupid to be an asshole?
 
2013-05-21 01:30:00 AM

ciberido: stampylives: namegoeshere: Wellon Dowd: As a Scout leader I'd advise anyone to keep their sons out of a troop that discusses the leaders' sexuality, whatever it is.

A straight scout leader could say, "My wife and I camped here last summer," without raising an eyebrow.  A gay scout leader (LOLWUT?) could not say, "My husband and I went camping here last summer," because that would be discussing their sexuality.

did your autocorrect turn "vacation" into "sexuality" at the end there, or are you just an asshole?

Well, since we're asking about motivations, did you fail to see his point because you're stupid, or are you pretending to be stupid to be an asshole?


Hmmm, actually you know one would be discussing sexuality and one would be discussing a vacation so, no need to call anyone an asshole here.
 
2013-05-21 01:37:40 AM

GreenSun: How did the word gay evolve into meaning homosexual? From a simple definition of "happy", I really can't imagine how in the world it started to mean a person's sexual orientation. Were homosexuals back then very happy and cheerful all the time, and that's why the word gay changed its meaning? Why is it that females who love females are called lesbians, even though sometimes people refer to them as "gay"? Don't homosexual men get to have a special word made for them like the lesbians?


As you might expect, "gay" meaning "homosexual" comes from earlier meanings of "gay" such as "immoral," which date back  to the 1630s.
 
2013-05-21 01:41:50 AM
That's so takei.

/Oh myyy
 
2013-05-21 01:46:34 AM

ciberido: GreenSun: How did the word gay evolve into meaning homosexual? From a simple definition of "happy", I really can't imagine how in the world it started to mean a person's sexual orientation. Were homosexuals back then very happy and cheerful all the time, and that's why the word gay changed its meaning? Why is it that females who love females are called lesbians, even though sometimes people refer to them as "gay"? Don't homosexual men get to have a special word made for them like the lesbians?

As you might expect, "gay" meaning "homosexual" comes from earlier meanings of "gay" such as "immoral," which date back  to the 1630s.


Interesting I did not know that.
 
2013-05-21 01:56:50 AM

dickfreckle: Lorelle: This is perfectly acceptable, because "gay" isn't in it:

[pmlol.com image 623x480]

[pmlol.com image 623x480]

I lol'd. I don't know if they still do group showers in schools, but as late as the early 90s (when I was in high school), that's how you showered after football practice. It was awkward because you had to do anything possible to not make eye contact with another guy's penis. I don't mean that to say that I'd be repulsed by it; it's just the unspoken rule not to be broken and sometimes when you turned around there was an unexpected dick right in front of you. After a few times in the shower you learn to just stop a giving a damn about being surrounded by penises.


I've seen a few penises in my time, but I've never seen one with eyes before.  I'm pretty sure if I looked at a naked guy and saw his penis was looking back at me, I WOULD make eye contact.
 
2013-05-21 02:01:10 AM

ciberido: dickfreckle: Lorelle: This is perfectly acceptable, because "gay" isn't in it:

[pmlol.com image 623x480]

[pmlol.com image 623x480]

I lol'd. I don't know if they still do group showers in schools, but as late as the early 90s (when I was in high school), that's how you showered after football practice. It was awkward because you had to do anything possible to not make eye contact with another guy's penis. I don't mean that to say that I'd be repulsed by it; it's just the unspoken rule not to be broken and sometimes when you turned around there was an unexpected dick right in front of you. After a few times in the shower you learn to just stop a giving a damn about being surrounded by penises.

I've seen a few penises in my time, but I've never seen one with eyes before.  I'm pretty sure if I looked at a naked guy and saw his penis was looking back at me, I WOULD make eye contact.


Oh, you, LOL : )
 
2013-05-21 02:06:16 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: ciberido: stampylives: namegoeshere: Wellon Dowd: As a Scout leader I'd advise anyone to keep their sons out of a troop that discusses the leaders' sexuality, whatever it is.

A straight scout leader could say, "My wife and I camped here last summer," without raising an eyebrow.  A gay scout leader (LOLWUT?) could not say, "My husband and I went camping here last summer," because that would be discussing their sexuality.

did your autocorrect turn "vacation" into "sexuality" at the end there, or are you just an asshole?

Well, since we're asking about motivations, did you fail to see his point because you're stupid, or are you pretending to be stupid to be an asshole?

Hmmm, actually you know one would be discussing sexuality and one would be discussing a vacation so, no need to call anyone an asshole here.



If a man says, "I went camping with my wife/girlfriend," he's declaring himself to be heterosexual.

If a man says, "I went camping with my husband/boyfriend," he's declaring himself to be homosexual.   A statement that casual and innocuous outs you instantly.  It isn't "being in your face," it isn't "shoving it down your throat," but it DOES identify you as homosexual.

People "discuss their sexuality" all the damn time.  It's so difficult not to that the practice of avoiding specifying your sexuality is called the pronoun game and it is a skill that lbgtq people develop over a lifetime, unless/until they come out of the closet.  (And even then, most gay folks who are "out of the closet" are still "in the closet" with respect to SOMEBODY somewhere).

When non-lbgtq folks say things like, "I don't care if you're gay, just don't shove it down my throat," they either have no idea what they are actually saying, they're being dishonest, or they're being assholes.  One of those three.
 
2013-05-21 02:18:47 AM

ciberido: tinfoil-hat maggie: ciberido: stampylives: namegoeshere: Wellon Dowd: As a Scout leader I'd advise anyone to keep their sons out of a troop that discusses the leaders' sexuality, whatever it is.

A straight scout leader could say, "My wife and I camped here last summer," without raising an eyebrow.  A gay scout leader (LOLWUT?) could not say, "My husband and I went camping here last summer," because that would be discussing their sexuality.

did your autocorrect turn "vacation" into "sexuality" at the end there, or are you just an asshole?

Well, since we're asking about motivations, did you fail to see his point because you're stupid, or are you pretending to be stupid to be an asshole?

Hmmm, actually you know one would be discussing sexuality and one would be discussing a vacation so, no need to call anyone an asshole here.


If a man says, "I went camping with my wife/girlfriend," he's declaring himself to be heterosexual.

If a man says, "I went camping with my husband/boyfriend," he's declaring himself to be homosexual.   A statement that casual and innocuous outs you instantly.  It isn't "being in your face," it isn't "shoving it down your throat," but it DOES identify you as homosexual.

People "discuss their sexuality" all the damn time.  It's so difficult not to that the practice of avoiding specifying your sexuality is called the pronoun game and it is a skill that lbgtq people develop over a lifetime, unless/until they come out of the closet.  (And even then, most gay folks who are "out of the closet" are still "in the closet" with respect to SOMEBODY somewhere).

When non-lbgtq folks say things like, "I don't care if you're gay, just don't shove it down my throat," they either have no idea what they are actually saying, they're being dishonest, or they're being assholes.  One of those three.


Oh, I know and maybe I didn't read the thread close enough before posting, I mean I've called people out on saying "I can't stand gays being all out and shoving it down our thoughts" then turning around and saying "my wife and I"
/Well you get the point.
//And yea I agree with your last statement.
 
2013-05-21 02:20:24 AM
Sorry been reading crazy tornado threads all day : (
Oh and I'm out of booze.
/not good
 
2013-05-21 03:07:44 AM

GreenSun: How did the word gay evolve into meaning homosexual? From a simple definition of "happy", I really can't imagine how in the world it started to mean a person's sexual orientation. Were homosexuals back then very happy and cheerful all the time, and that's why the word gay changed its meaning? Why is it that females who love females are called lesbians, even though sometimes people refer to them as "gay"? Don't homosexual men get to have a special word made for them like the lesbians?


No longer can ordinary people (such as we) use an ordinary word (like gay) in an ordinary example of the great British sentence. Without people thinking that you mean pouffe.
And there's another one, pouffe. Used to use it all the time, but now people think you mean arsebandit.

/back in a moment darling, just taking the arsebandit to the menders
//happy to have kids in the Scouts (no, not in the USA)
///scouts here can not only say, sing and semaphore the word gay, they can also be gay.
 
2013-05-21 03:18:11 AM

Lorelle: [katnip.files.wordpress.com image 500x356]


[Gay Johnny and the Texas Vegetables]

OMG!  That would be the most awesome band name EVAR!

capstonereport.com
 
2013-05-21 03:26:58 AM

dickfreckle: "Hey Frank [whose dick is hanging out], that was an awesome punt return today."

"Thanks Alex [my dick also hanging out]." And then you just take a shower.


i115.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-21 08:04:31 AM

dickfreckle: It was awkward because you had to do anything possible to not make eye contact with another guy's penis.


Obviously, you weren't looking at the penises closely enough.  They don't actually have eyes.  If the ones in your school locker room did, odds are they were painted or glue because the other boys suspected one of their classmates was a dick watcher and they wanted to mess with him.
 
2013-05-21 09:21:22 AM
Ensign George Gay to be taken out of our history books.
 
2013-05-21 10:38:16 AM
cocks?

:D
 
2013-05-21 12:48:51 PM
queermusicheritage.us
 
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ic.pics.livejournal.com
 
2013-05-21 12:53:32 PM
farm4.staticflickr.com
 
2013-05-21 12:55:16 PM
pzrservices.typepad.com
 
2013-05-21 12:56:34 PM
worldofwonder.net
 
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