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2013-05-20 05:11:04 PM  
Funniest thread in a long time.
 
2013-05-20 05:17:15 PM  

vladimpaler: Steelers used steroids in the 70s (as did every other team before they were against the rules)


How is Dr. Rydze?
 
2013-05-20 05:19:49 PM  

ShiningWizard: RonwellQuincyDobbs: the1hatman: PowerSlacker: That link just told me that we need a pro version of the Fulmer Cup.

Then again, could anyone else even compete with Oakland and Cincinnati?

So you see Oakland at the bottom with 0 and lump them in with the criminals that play in Cincy? I suppose it would suprise you to learn  that the Raiders are only mid-pack in arrests since 2000? I know farkers can never tell the difference between perception and reality but the real thugs in the AFC West are the Denver Broncos who can't lay off the PEDs or stay out of jail.

Just as the Seattle fans aren't happy with being called cheaters and Pats fans are sick of hearing about Spygate, some Cincinnati fans (by birth more than choice here) are sick of the criminal thing.  The Lions have been head and shoulders above the rest of the league in the last few years, but every time someone gets arrested the "hurr durr, I bet the Bengals will sign him" comments come flying.  The Lions had six people get arrested last year to Cincinnati's two, but no one seems to know or care.

/Still...please stay out of trouble AJ!

And much like the Seattle fans, that's just too bad because you still have to own it. Just like the Hawks have double the PED hits of most of the league's teams you guys still rank #2 on the arrest chart this century. Yea the Lions have had a tough couple of years but even with their mini crime spree they are still ranked in the bottom half of the league with half the # Cincy has. Maybe you guys really are on the way to cleaning out the thugs but untill then suck it up!

And next time compare them to the Vikings not the Lions. Would've made a lot more sense.


How so?  The Vikings had the most arrests in 2011, but the Lions have been leading the league since then with a whopping eight since the beginning of 2012, and that's not counting Titus Young.  I'm also not sure how going back 13 years makes much sense for today's team given a lot of factors, including turnover.  It doesn't take that long to get better at something, or in this case stop being awful at it.  Cincinnati absolutely earned their rep for most the 'oughts' and while the number arrests for them are still embarrassingly high, at least they've leveled out to around two per year which is pretty much league average.  The Bengals led the league in 2001 and 2006.  Denver, and I believe Atlanta have also done it twice since then.  I just think it's a case of perception more than reality.  Oh, well; keep those hysterical jokes coming.

/You'd probably be a criminal too if you worked for Mike Brown
 
2013-05-20 05:20:55 PM  

downstairs: digistil: downstairs: IAmRight: I'd rather have a good team that had a few guys who got caught than a sh*t team that everyone was "clean" on, since I don't have a hardon for the War on Drugs.

You should check out the documentary "Bigger, Stronger, Faster*"... its on Netflix, and if you Google it, appears you can watch it free at some places.

It gives a lot of rationale as to why it may be best to just let players use PED's.  And busts a lot of myths about 'roids.

No matter your stance, its totally worth watching.  It changed my mind on a lot of things.

I still think cheating is cheating- rules are rules and all.

I'm honestly not sure Adderall should be considered cheating.

Wow, is that on the banned list?  I guess I should have RTFA.  That seems over-reaching on the part of the NFL to me.


Adderall is pure speed. It's amphetamine salts with a fancy marketing campaign.

At the moment the NFL is more dirty than cycling. 4 weeks for a ped is a joke, nothing more than a PR exercise.
 
2013-05-20 05:27:18 PM  

downstairs: digistil: downstairs: IAmRight: I'd rather have a good team that had a few guys who got caught than a sh*t team that everyone was "clean" on, since I don't have a hardon for the War on Drugs.

You should check out the documentary "Bigger, Stronger, Faster*"... its on Netflix, and if you Google it, appears you can watch it free at some places.

It gives a lot of rationale as to why it may be best to just let players use PED's.  And busts a lot of myths about 'roids.

No matter your stance, its totally worth watching.  It changed my mind on a lot of things.

I still think cheating is cheating- rules are rules and all.

I'm honestly not sure Adderall should be considered cheating.

Wow, is that on the banned list?  I guess I should have RTFA.  That seems over-reaching on the part of the NFL to me.


It's only banned if you don't have a prescription for it.  You have to be pretty naive to think that so many players (Ty Sash, Jermaine Cunningham, Brandon Browner, Sherman, Brandon Spikes, Eric Wright, Joe Haden, Aqib Talib, Mike Neal, Austin Pettis, Weslye Saunders, etc) would risk getting a four game ban for something that they just need to clear with the league first.  Adderall is the go to excuse now but it isn't what these guys are being suspended for.
 
2013-05-20 05:29:03 PM  

ShiningWizard: Maybe you guys really are on the way to cleaning out the thugs but untill then suck it up!


DUI's and Adderall = Thugs

Okay then.
 
2013-05-20 05:30:15 PM  

ancker: digistil: ancker: Maybe they should chat with Ray Lewis or Adrian Peterson to figure out how to not get caught.

Both had catastrophic injuries yet somehow seemed to recover an order or magnitude faster than the norm and perform better than they did before the injury.

Your hate for AD is getting tired.

My hate? I have never once posted about him. How is a single post getting 'tired'?


If it's not you, it's someone with a very similar username that's been accusing him of PEDs and other forms of cheating for the last few years.
 
2013-05-20 05:47:22 PM  

ancker: Maybe they should chat with Ray Lewis or Adrian Peterson to figure out how to not get caught.

Both had catastrophic injuries yet somehow seemed to recover an order or magnitude faster than the norm and perform better than they did before the injury.


Well, according to Peterson, it's 'genetics.'  Otherwise known as the "my dad is almost 50 and he's still ripped" defense

o_0

I'm pretty sure your propensity to carry around less body fat has absolutely nothing to do with your ability to heal like freaking Wolverine.  Meth addicts have six packs, too, but that doesn't mean they can heal any faster than the average person.  In fact, super low body fat percentages have more disadvantages vs. advantages....outside of attracting women
 
2013-05-20 05:56:38 PM  

yelmrog: ShiningWizard: Maybe you guys really are on the way to cleaning out the thugs but untill then suck it up!

DUI's and Adderall = Thugs

Okay then.


If you believe those were only charges Bengal players faced in that time you need to read a little more.

Okay then indeed.
 
2013-05-20 06:15:00 PM  
The real sad thing is that subby had a good tongue-twister going there for about three words.
 
2013-05-20 06:23:13 PM  

ShiningWizard: yelmrog: ShiningWizard: Maybe you guys really are on the way to cleaning out the thugs but untill then suck it up!

DUI's and Adderall = Thugs

Okay then.

If you believe those were only charges Bengal players faced in that time you need to read a little more.

Okay then indeed.


haha, my bad, I thought you were referring to Seattle.
 
2013-05-20 06:23:22 PM  
Let me try again: the Sixth Seattle Seahawk to Sully the Seattle name Since Shawn alexander Smashed Seattle's record on Sunday night football.
 
2013-05-20 06:30:17 PM  

spiderpaz: Let me try again: the Sixth Seattle Seahawk to Sully the Seattle name Since Shawn alexander Smashed Seattle's record on Sunday night football.


Also, Sorry for the Sad Seattle Seahawk Submission IAmRight, but I thought you already Sent Several Superfluous Series of eSpcially Seattle Sausage Sucking Stories, So there
 
2013-05-20 06:37:50 PM  

beantowndog: vladimpaler: Steelers used steroids in the 70s (as did every other team before they were against the rules)

How is Dr. Rydze?


Which Steeler got drugs from him?  Name one, please.  Because I know you have information the federal government, the state governments of Florida and Pennsylvania, and the NFL missed in their five year investigation of the doctor.

The Patriots have a bigger history of PED cheating than the Steelers do.  No Steeler, on any of their record six (6) Super Bowl Championship teams, was ever found to be in violation of NFL rules or US laws in regard to PED use.  The Patriots had Rodney Harrison suspended after a Super Bowl win*.
 
2013-05-20 06:41:19 PM  
Is this the part where the Packers getting f*cked over by the refs totally makes up for that Super Bowl screw-job from a home-town head official?
 
2013-05-20 06:42:09 PM  

stevie1der: vladimpaler: The NFL is full of legal spy tactics, but sources say only the Patriots are known to have used illegal videotaping procedures.

That is the problem.  No Patriot fan has ever stood up and said "Yeah, we cheated and we won.  So?"  It's always, "Everybody taped, we just got caught, but the 49ers and the Cowboys violated the salary cap in the 80s and 90s and the Steelers used steroids in the 70s (as did every other team before they were against the rules), so we're not that bad, and besides, the tapes didn't help anyway, we just did it for seven years to give people jobs".

Own your cheating, admit to the possibility the taping helped, and move on with your pathetic lives.

Jimmy Johnson has been quoted as saying several teams engage in the practices that the Patriots got in trouble for.  And Bill Cowher is on record saying the same thing as well as noting that he doesn't think the illegal taping had any role in the Patriots beating the Steelers during their early run of success.

The margins for victory and defeat are razor thin in the NFL.  Games are literally won and lost on single plays every week.  The fact that in the years since Spygate the Patriots have literally the most wins in the NFL speaks to the dominance of the program and the frivolous nature of the taping.  That the Patriots have not won a Super Bowl since then in simply an exercise in probability where high level championship games are a coin flip. They got heads three times in a row and two tails after that.


They won 3 times in four years....and then, poof! Just...unlucky I guesses!

Cup them balls, boy. The Cheatriots like it that way.
 
2013-05-20 06:47:19 PM  
Oh damn, I should've read the thread... we're on Cheatriot talk, now.

It's clear as f*cking day that the Patriots spying HELPED them win the Super Bowl. I can't help but think that they were spying on the actual pre-SB practices of their opponents, though I mean, it doesn't matter when the liquored-up, idiot kicker boots the kickoff out of bounds.
 
2013-05-20 06:47:24 PM  
 
2013-05-20 07:06:30 PM  

needmorecowbell: The Redskins have 7 in the last 20 months...  http://bloggingthebeast.com/2013/03/21/in-the-last-20-months-7-redski n s-have-been-pinched-for-substance-abuse/  GO HAWKS!!!


 THIS !!

/ Go Hawks !!!
 
2013-05-20 07:13:00 PM  
I would just like to remind everyone that the Seahawks lost to Matt Ryan in the playoffs last year.

MATT.  RYAN.

They might not be anything more than the same old Seahawks.  Just sayin'
 
2013-05-20 07:34:32 PM  

FriarReb98: I would just like to remind everyone that the Seahawks lost to Matt Ryan in the playoffs last year.

MATT.  RYAN.

They might not be anything more than the same old Seahawks.  Just sayin'


You mean MATT. RYAN. and 44 other guys, too.

Just sayin
 
2013-05-20 07:37:20 PM  

xaks: stevie1der: vladimpaler: The NFL is full of legal spy tactics, but sources say only the Patriots are known to have used illegal videotaping procedures.

That is the problem.  No Patriot fan has ever stood up and said "Yeah, we cheated and we won.  So?"  It's always, "Everybody taped, we just got caught, but the 49ers and the Cowboys violated the salary cap in the 80s and 90s and the Steelers used steroids in the 70s (as did every other team before they were against the rules), so we're not that bad, and besides, the tapes didn't help anyway, we just did it for seven years to give people jobs".

Own your cheating, admit to the possibility the taping helped, and move on with your pathetic lives.

Jimmy Johnson has been quoted as saying several teams engage in the practices that the Patriots got in trouble for.  And Bill Cowher is on record saying the same thing as well as noting that he doesn't think the illegal taping had any role in the Patriots beating the Steelers during their early run of success.

The margins for victory and defeat are razor thin in the NFL.  Games are literally won and lost on single plays every week.  The fact that in the years since Spygate the Patriots have literally the most wins in the NFL speaks to the dominance of the program and the frivolous nature of the taping.  That the Patriots have not won a Super Bowl since then in simply an exercise in probability where high level championship games are a coin flip. They got heads three times in a row and two tails after that.

They won 3 times in four years....and then, poof! Just...unlucky I guesses!

Cup them balls, boy. The Cheatriots like it that way.


Again, after the "cheating," the Pats improved in almost every statistical category; they also posted a 16-0 season.  Youc an say, oh gee, they lost the SB, but it would be mighty difficult to say that a 16-0 season isn't an accomplishment that ranks with "unlucky."
 
2013-05-20 08:22:18 PM  

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I stopped giving a flying fark about PEDs during the height of the Barry Bonds drama. When I found myself trying to argue against it but couldn't come up with anything that didn't sound naive or disingenuous.
Ultimately I decided since it's all entertainment, why bother fighting it.
We pay to watch athletes put their bodies and lives on line, why not let them use something to enhance either their performance or healing or both.
"B-b-b-b-ut there's a good chance they'll suffer horrible injuries or die young from PEDs"
As I see it, it's same chance without it.
I'm honest with myself, when it comes to contact sports, I pay to watch people get irreparably damaged physically and in some cases horribly mangled or killed in athletic competition for my entertainment.
Sometimes those things also happen in non-contact sports too.
A little PED use is kinda silly to get all worked up about.

Anyhoo, here's some Sea Gals

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2013-05-20 08:39:42 PM  

seumasokelly: This is fun. We should do this more often.

If you guys want - here's a freebie - Josh Portis (Seattle's 3rd string QB) was arrested for DUI a couple weeks ago, but the news just broke today. One of his blood samples tested under the limit, while the other was over, so we can talk about what constitutes a technicality there too.


Because if you're rich you can get out of a dui, just ask Derek Lowe, also its not a MLB violation unless you do something that causes them to get involved.
 
2013-05-20 08:43:37 PM  

digistil: downstairs: IAmRight: I'd rather have a good team that had a few guys who got caught than a sh*t team that everyone was "clean" on, since I don't have a hardon for the War on Drugs.

You should check out the documentary "Bigger, Stronger, Faster*"... its on Netflix, and if you Google it, appears you can watch it free at some places.

It gives a lot of rationale as to why it may be best to just let players use PED's.  And busts a lot of myths about 'roids.

No matter your stance, its totally worth watching.  It changed my mind on a lot of things.

I still think cheating is cheating- rules are rules and all.

I'm honestly not sure Adderall should be considered cheating.


Its not cheating if you get clearance and that is not too hard to accomplish, seems some people are just lazy or think the rules don't apply.

Since adderal will help focus you then there is a reason why its banned, if you haven't taken it then you wouldn't realize what it does.
 
2013-05-20 08:43:47 PM  

seumasokelly: Bottom line, the Seahawks have more than their fair share of suspensions over the last few seasons, a whopping 5 out of over 100 players that have cycled through here. Obviously, that means Pete Carroll is a dirty cheater and Adderall is the only reason the Seahawks made the playoffs. Lets get a little perspective here though - 45 players who are not Seahawks have been suspended over the same time frame and I never saw any trolly headlines calling their coaches cheaters.

Feign outrage all you want about how an ADD drug taken by children all over the country is somehow affecting the purity of NFL football and Pete Carroll is the #1 pusher. The fact is they've got one more suspension over the last few years than the next two teams behind them. Whoopty frigging doo.


You really think he tested positive for adderall? That is adorable.

The NFL doesn't say what they tested positive for, so they pick the most innocent drug on the banned list.  Vast majority of players are juicing but aren't stupid enough to get caught.

And anyone who thinks the second cup made Sherman's piss test hot is an idiot. He got off on a technicality, ala Braun.
 
2013-05-20 08:53:38 PM  

machoprogrammer: seumasokelly: Bottom line, the Seahawks have more than their fair share of suspensions over the last few seasons, a whopping 5 out of over 100 players that have cycled through here. Obviously, that means Pete Carroll is a dirty cheater and Adderall is the only reason the Seahawks made the playoffs. Lets get a little perspective here though - 45 players who are not Seahawks have been suspended over the same time frame and I never saw any trolly headlines calling their coaches cheaters.

Feign outrage all you want about how an ADD drug taken by children all over the country is somehow affecting the purity of NFL football and Pete Carroll is the #1 pusher. The fact is they've got one more suspension over the last few years than the next two teams behind them. Whoopty frigging doo.

You really think he tested positive for adderall? That is adorable.

The NFL doesn't say what they tested positive for, so they pick the most innocent drug on the banned list.  Vast majority of players are juicing but aren't stupid enough to get caught.

And anyone who thinks the second cup made Sherman's piss test hot is an idiot. He got off on a technicality, ala Braun.


It's like I just made that point. Strange. I know, reading is hard sometimes.

No one is saying he tested positive because of the second cup, but to contend that flip flopping samples into new cups is a "technicality" is stupid. It's one of the most basic pieces of the test. If you start farking around with the cups, the whole thing is invalid.
 
2013-05-20 09:17:01 PM  
An important note is that the Seahawks are well known to sign/draft players with past character issues. Some work out, some are going to mess up again. Have enough of that type around and this is what you get. Not so much a reflection of the staff but more of the type of player they are willing to take a flyer on. It's a risk they are obviously willing to take.

There are plenty of high character guys on the team. It's a balancing act that at the moment doesn't have the desired outcome.
 
2013-05-20 09:25:02 PM  

seumasokelly: machoprogrammer: seumasokelly: Bottom line, the Seahawks have more than their fair share of suspensions over the last few seasons, a whopping 5 out of over 100 players that have cycled through here. Obviously, that means Pete Carroll is a dirty cheater and Adderall is the only reason the Seahawks made the playoffs. Lets get a little perspective here though - 45 players who are not Seahawks have been suspended over the same time frame and I never saw any trolly headlines calling their coaches cheaters.

Feign outrage all you want about how an ADD drug taken by children all over the country is somehow affecting the purity of NFL football and Pete Carroll is the #1 pusher. The fact is they've got one more suspension over the last few years than the next two teams behind them. Whoopty frigging doo.

You really think he tested positive for adderall? That is adorable.

The NFL doesn't say what they tested positive for, so they pick the most innocent drug on the banned list.  Vast majority of players are juicing but aren't stupid enough to get caught.

And anyone who thinks the second cup made Sherman's piss test hot is an idiot. He got off on a technicality, ala Braun.

It's like I just made that point. Strange. I know, reading is hard sometimes.

No one is saying he tested positive because of the second cup, but to contend that flip flopping samples into new cups is a "technicality" is stupid. It's one of the most basic pieces of the test. If you start farking around with the cups, the whole thing is invalid.


Oh I agree that it was good him and Braun got off. But it isn't like what they did is going to suddenly make the test show a positive, but since the chain of custody was broken in both cases, it is good they got off.

But Sherman didn't test positive for Adderall. I doubt any of them really did.
 
2013-05-20 10:14:39 PM  

vladimpaler: beantowndog: vladimpaler: Steelers used steroids in the 70s (as did every other team before they were against the rules)

How is Dr. Rydze?

Which Steeler got drugs from him? Name one, please.


Indeed.
 
2013-05-20 11:18:22 PM  

IAmRight: Guess we should do a better job of masking it, like the 49ers.

/anyone who believes any team has no players who have taken banned substances in the past three years is dumber than Goodell


I like that the Seahawks are now trying to compete with the rest of the cheaters in the NFL.

Doesn't bother me one bit.
 
2013-05-21 08:57:38 PM  

seumasokelly: This is fun. We should do this more often.

If you guys want - here's a freebie - Josh Portis (Seattle's 3rd string QB) was arrested for DUI a couple weeks ago, but the news just broke today. One of his blood samples tested under the limit, while the other was over, so we can talk about what constitutes a technicality there too.


You can be charged with DUI at any level. The limit simply establishes it as a per se offense.That's not a technicality.
 
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