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2013-05-20 01:46:31 PM  

PowerSlacker: That link just told me that we need a pro version of the Fulmer Cup.

Then again, could anyone else even compete with Oakland and Cincinnati?


So you see Oakland at the bottom with 0 and lump them in with the criminals that play in Cincy? I suppose it would suprise you to learn  that the Raiders are only mid-pack in arrests since 2000? I know farkers can never tell the difference between perception and reality but the real thugs in the AFC West are the Denver Broncos who can't lay off the PEDs or stay out of jail.
 
2013-05-20 01:49:35 PM  

the1hatman: PowerSlacker: That link just told me that we need a pro version of the Fulmer Cup.

Then again, could anyone else even compete with Oakland and Cincinnati?

So you see Oakland at the bottom with 0 and lump them in with the criminals that play in Cincy? I suppose it would suprise you to learn  that the Raiders are only mid-pack in arrests since 2000? I know farkers can never tell the difference between perception and reality but the real thugs in the AFC West are the Denver Broncos who can't lay off the PEDs or stay out of jail.


Well, the Chiefs did have that one guy too.

And whatever Philip Rivers is doing in SD should be considered a crime.
 
2013-05-20 01:50:57 PM  

Killer Cars: seumasokelly: Feign outrage all you want about how an ADD drug taken by children all over the country is somehow affecting the purity of NFL football and Pete Carroll is the #1 pusher. The fact is they've got one more suspension over the last few years than the next two teams behind them. Whoopty frigging doo.

I don't disagree, but speaking as a Pats fan who still takes shots for spygate (even though I personally never tried to rationalize it as anything other than "something really bad and indefensible we got caught for"), you're better off just letting haters hate on some things.


Which is the right thing to do.  I never thought spygate was that big a deal, but it was fun to use to make fun of Pats fans for that year or so before they stopped getting all riled up about it.  It was fun only because a team that was so dominant had something stupid and unnecessary to hide.

But when was the last time that Seahawks were caught breaking the rules and the fans and organization didn't try to point the finger at everyone else?
 
2013-05-20 01:59:22 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Killer Cars: seumasokelly: Feign outrage all you want about how an ADD drug taken by children all over the country is somehow affecting the purity of NFL football and Pete Carroll is the #1 pusher. The fact is they've got one more suspension over the last few years than the next two teams behind them. Whoopty frigging doo.

I don't disagree, but speaking as a Pats fan who still takes shots for spygate (even though I personally never tried to rationalize it as anything other than "something really bad and indefensible we got caught for"), you're better off just letting haters hate on some things.

Which is the right thing to do.  I never thought spygate was that big a deal, but it was fun to use to make fun of Pats fans for that year or so before they stopped getting all riled up about it.  It was fun only because a team that was so dominant had something stupid and unnecessary to hide.

But when was the last time that Seahawks were caught breaking the rules and the fans and organization didn't try to point the finger at everyone else?


Organization? I've been trying to make the point here that Seattle is not the only offender on the PED front, and that has been perceived as a lazy homer whitewashing his team's drug problem, but the organization has never blamed anyone else for these suspensions. Sherman appealed his and won, but the organization had nothing to do with that unless you want to include encouraging Browner to take his suspension immediately instead of appealing on the same grounds, as it seems he should have.
 
2013-05-20 02:00:52 PM  

seumasokelly: Organization? I've been trying to make the point here that Seattle is not the only offender on the PED front, and that has been perceived as a lazy homer whitewashing his team's drug problem, but the organization has never blamed anyone else for these suspensions. Sherman appealed his and won, but the organization had nothing to do with that unless you want to include encouraging Browner to take his suspension immediately instead of appealing on the same grounds, as it seems he should have.


It's okay, the rapist fan's just trolling.
 
2013-05-20 02:04:58 PM  

IAmRight: seumasokelly: Organization? I've been trying to make the point here that Seattle is not the only offender on the PED front, and that has been perceived as a lazy homer whitewashing his team's drug problem, but the organization has never blamed anyone else for these suspensions. Sherman appealed his and won, but the organization had nothing to do with that unless you want to include encouraging Browner to take his suspension immediately instead of appealing on the same grounds, as it seems he should have.

It's okay, the rapist fan's just trolling.


After your defense of Richard Sherman, who tested positive and was suspended only to have it overturned on a technicality, it's funny that you think that someone who has never even been tried for a crime is guilty.
 
2013-05-20 02:05:47 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: IAmRight: seumasokelly: Organization? I've been trying to make the point here that Seattle is not the only offender on the PED front, and that has been perceived as a lazy homer whitewashing his team's drug problem, but the organization has never blamed anyone else for these suspensions. Sherman appealed his and won, but the organization had nothing to do with that unless you want to include encouraging Browner to take his suspension immediately instead of appealing on the same grounds, as it seems he should have.

It's okay, the rapist fan's just trolling.

After your defense of Richard Sherman, who tested positive and was suspended only to have it overturned on a technicality, it's funny that you think that someone who has never even been tried for a crime is guilty.


Let's equate rape and taking adderall some more.
 
2013-05-20 02:08:23 PM  

seumasokelly: AdmirableSnackbar: IAmRight: seumasokelly: Organization? I've been trying to make the point here that Seattle is not the only offender on the PED front, and that has been perceived as a lazy homer whitewashing his team's drug problem, but the organization has never blamed anyone else for these suspensions. Sherman appealed his and won, but the organization had nothing to do with that unless you want to include encouraging Browner to take his suspension immediately instead of appealing on the same grounds, as it seems he should have.

It's okay, the rapist fan's just trolling.

After your defense of Richard Sherman, who tested positive and was suspended only to have it overturned on a technicality, it's funny that you think that someone who has never even been tried for a crime is guilty.

Let's equate rape and taking adderall some more.


Clenbuterol can have the same initial markings as adderal, just saying......
 
2013-05-20 02:09:23 PM  

seumasokelly: Well, the Chiefs did have that one guy too.

And whatever Philip Rivers is doing in SD should be considered a crime.


Even as a Raiders fan I have never understood all the hate for Rivers. Seems like a harmless goof to me. As for the shootings in KC I think that was just one guy with issues more than any teamwide problem even though the Chefs rank pretty high on the arrest list as well. Maybe they need more Snickers?
 
2013-05-20 02:11:35 PM  

seumasokelly: AdmirableSnackbar: IAmRight: seumasokelly: Organization? I've been trying to make the point here that Seattle is not the only offender on the PED front, and that has been perceived as a lazy homer whitewashing his team's drug problem, but the organization has never blamed anyone else for these suspensions. Sherman appealed his and won, but the organization had nothing to do with that unless you want to include encouraging Browner to take his suspension immediately instead of appealing on the same grounds, as it seems he should have.

It's okay, the rapist fan's just trolling.

After your defense of Richard Sherman, who tested positive and was suspended only to have it overturned on a technicality, it's funny that you think that someone who has never even been tried for a crime is guilty.

Let's equate rape and taking adderall some more.


Anything to get away from the topic of the thread, amirite?
 
2013-05-20 02:12:14 PM  

seumasokelly: Killer Cars: seumasokelly: Feign outrage all you want about how an ADD drug taken by children all over the country is somehow affecting the purity of NFL football and Pete Carroll is the #1 pusher. The fact is they've got one more suspension over the last few years than the next two teams behind them. Whoopty frigging doo.

I don't disagree, but speaking as a Pats fan who still takes shots for spygate (even though I personally never tried to rationalize it as anything other than "something really bad and indefensible we got caught for"), you're better off just letting haters hate on some things.

The Seahawks bring it on themselves by being loud. I'm not defending the behavior, I'm just pointing out that it's dumb we only ever hear about the Seahawks testing positive when the half the league has the same problem. People came after the Pats due to a tradition of success that they desperately wanted to explain away as the direct result of cheating. Hopefully the Seahawks will attain that level soon.



Or it might have been that the Patriots had never won a Super Bowl, then started winning a lot, and we later found out they were cheating the entire time they were winning titles.

Refresh my memory, how many Super Bowls have they won since they got caught cheating?
 
2013-05-20 02:12:21 PM  

IAmRight: Guess we should do a better job of masking it, like the 49ers.

/anyone who believes any team has no players who have taken banned substances in the past three years is dumber than Goodell


Lolz. Seadderall Seahwaks fans are so adorable. Peter Carroll ran the dirtiest program in college football when he was at USC, and it now appears that he is running the dirtiest program in the NFL, as well.

Carroll is a slimy, smug, dickhead. Total greaseball.
 
2013-05-20 02:14:00 PM  

vladimpaler: seumasokelly: Killer Cars: seumasokelly: Feign outrage all you want about how an ADD drug taken by children all over the country is somehow affecting the purity of NFL football and Pete Carroll is the #1 pusher. The fact is they've got one more suspension over the last few years than the next two teams behind them. Whoopty frigging doo.

I don't disagree, but speaking as a Pats fan who still takes shots for spygate (even though I personally never tried to rationalize it as anything other than "something really bad and indefensible we got caught for"), you're better off just letting haters hate on some things.

The Seahawks bring it on themselves by being loud. I'm not defending the behavior, I'm just pointing out that it's dumb we only ever hear about the Seahawks testing positive when the half the league has the same problem. People came after the Pats due to a tradition of success that they desperately wanted to explain away as the direct result of cheating. Hopefully the Seahawks will attain that level soon.


Or it might have been that the Patriots had never won a Super Bowl, then started winning a lot, and we later found out they were cheating the entire time they were winning titles.

Refresh my memory, how many Super Bowls have they won since they got caught cheating?


I guess that whole 16-0 season was the result of ... well, I don't know.  I'm sure we can blame it on something, dammit!

\every team did that at the time
\\only difference was that Mangini cornered the NFL
 
2013-05-20 02:16:32 PM  

steamingpile: seumasokelly: AdmirableSnackbar: IAmRight: seumasokelly: Organization? I've been trying to make the point here that Seattle is not the only offender on the PED front, and that has been perceived as a lazy homer whitewashing his team's drug problem, but the organization has never blamed anyone else for these suspensions. Sherman appealed his and won, but the organization had nothing to do with that unless you want to include encouraging Browner to take his suspension immediately instead of appealing on the same grounds, as it seems he should have.

It's okay, the rapist fan's just trolling.

After your defense of Richard Sherman, who tested positive and was suspended only to have it overturned on a technicality, it's funny that you think that someone who has never even been tried for a crime is guilty.

Let's equate rape and taking adderall some more.

Clenbuterol can have the same initial markings as adderal, just saying......


The fact is, we'll never know. The NFL doesn't release the particulars of what drug players tested positive for, so the player can say anything they want. You really have no choice but to take the player at his word if you want to try to talk specifics of a certain case. It seems more likely than for other guys, based on the type of player Browner and Sherman are, that it could be one of your classic anabolics. Both are quite large and muscular for their position and play a physical style that would be helped by steroids - especially when you consider that Browner is fighting tooth and nail to make the league and keep his job and Sherman is playing for that lucrative 2nd contract that makes or breaks your need to sell insurance after retirement.

If we want to talk specifics of their situations, the only thing we've heard from anyone is adderall, but there's a distinct possiblity it was something else. Just like everyone else who's tested positive.

To be fair to both players though, the reason they are Seahawks is because they were freak athletes to begin with.
 
2013-05-20 02:21:39 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: seumasokelly: AdmirableSnackbar: IAmRight: seumasokelly: Organization? I've been trying to make the point here that Seattle is not the only offender on the PED front, and that has been perceived as a lazy homer whitewashing his team's drug problem, but the organization has never blamed anyone else for these suspensions. Sherman appealed his and won, but the organization had nothing to do with that unless you want to include encouraging Browner to take his suspension immediately instead of appealing on the same grounds, as it seems he should have.

It's okay, the rapist fan's just trolling.

After your defense of Richard Sherman, who tested positive and was suspended only to have it overturned on a technicality, it's funny that you think that someone who has never even been tried for a crime is guilty.

Let's equate rape and taking adderall some more.

Anything to get away from the topic of the thread, amirite?


I think that if you pull your head out, you'll notice that I've been more than willing to discuss it.
 
2013-05-20 02:26:14 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: vladimpaler: seumasokelly: Killer Cars: seumasokelly: Feign outrage all you want about how an ADD drug taken by children all over the country is somehow affecting the purity of NFL football and Pete Carroll is the #1 pusher. The fact is they've got one more suspension over the last few years than the next two teams behind them. Whoopty frigging doo.

I don't disagree, but speaking as a Pats fan who still takes shots for spygate (even though I personally never tried to rationalize it as anything other than "something really bad and indefensible we got caught for"), you're better off just letting haters hate on some things.

The Seahawks bring it on themselves by being loud. I'm not defending the behavior, I'm just pointing out that it's dumb we only ever hear about the Seahawks testing positive when the half the league has the same problem. People came after the Pats due to a tradition of success that they desperately wanted to explain away as the direct result of cheating. Hopefully the Seahawks will attain that level soon.


Or it might have been that the Patriots had never won a Super Bowl, then started winning a lot, and we later found out they were cheating the entire time they were winning titles.

Refresh my memory, how many Super Bowls have they won since they got caught cheating?

I guess that whole 16-0 season was the result of ... well, I don't know.  I'm sure we can blame it on something, dammit!

\every team did that at the time


***CITATION NEEDED***

\\only difference was that Mangini cornered the NFL



I remember the Super Bowl they won that year...Oh wait, they didn't.  They didn't get the last second field goal after a drive where they called the perfect play time after time or the defensive stop where it seemed they knew exactly what play the offense was going to run.  I wonder what happened.
 
2013-05-20 02:29:48 PM  

seumasokelly: AdmirableSnackbar: seumasokelly: AdmirableSnackbar: IAmRight: seumasokelly: Organization? I've been trying to make the point here that Seattle is not the only offender on the PED front, and that has been perceived as a lazy homer whitewashing his team's drug problem, but the organization has never blamed anyone else for these suspensions. Sherman appealed his and won, but the organization had nothing to do with that unless you want to include encouraging Browner to take his suspension immediately instead of appealing on the same grounds, as it seems he should have.

It's okay, the rapist fan's just trolling.

After your defense of Richard Sherman, who tested positive and was suspended only to have it overturned on a technicality, it's funny that you think that someone who has never even been tried for a crime is guilty.

Let's equate rape and taking adderall some more.

Anything to get away from the topic of the thread, amirite?

I think that if you pull your head out, you'll notice that I've been more than willing to discuss it.


If by "discuss" you mean attempt to deflect criticism of your team rather than own up to it, I've noticed.
 
2013-05-20 02:31:32 PM  

vladimpaler: whizbangthedirtfarmer: vladimpaler: seumasokelly: Killer Cars: seumasokelly: Feign outrage all you want about how an ADD drug taken by children all over the country is somehow affecting the purity of NFL football and Pete Carroll is the #1 pusher. The fact is they've got one more suspension over the last few years than the next two teams behind them. Whoopty frigging doo.

I don't disagree, but speaking as a Pats fan who still takes shots for spygate (even though I personally never tried to rationalize it as anything other than "something really bad and indefensible we got caught for"), you're better off just letting haters hate on some things.

The Seahawks bring it on themselves by being loud. I'm not defending the behavior, I'm just pointing out that it's dumb we only ever hear about the Seahawks testing positive when the half the league has the same problem. People came after the Pats due to a tradition of success that they desperately wanted to explain away as the direct result of cheating. Hopefully the Seahawks will attain that level soon.


Or it might have been that the Patriots had never won a Super Bowl, then started winning a lot, and we later found out they were cheating the entire time they were winning titles.

Refresh my memory, how many Super Bowls have they won since they got caught cheating?

I guess that whole 16-0 season was the result of ... well, I don't know.  I'm sure we can blame it on something, dammit!

\every team did that at the time

***CITATION NEEDED***

\\only difference was that Mangini cornered the NFL


I remember the Super Bowl they won that year...Oh wait, they didn't.  They didn't get the last second field goal after a drive where they called the perfect play time after time or the defensive stop where it seemed they knew exactly what play the offense was going to run.  I wonder what happened.


You just keep farking that chicken.  SI ran several articles in the 90s and early 2000s about teams employing their third or second string QB to try to "catch" signals with binoculars.  Haven't you wondered why coaches work so hard to cover their lips when they call plays?  Same deal with videorecording.  Mangini was pissed at his exit from NE, and so basically told the NFL: do something to the Pats, or I'll turn all of this over to the media without any explanation.

And you are seriously going to argue that the team managed to go 16-0 during the year, and then only go to the mythical tapes when they went to the final drive of the Super Bowl?  What, were the tapes all melted in the heat until the very end?  I would guess "what happened" is that the team did its work in practice.  Hell, you can see top-quality teams completely call the opposing team's play from a distance several times a game.  It's called "practice."

\not a game, not a game
 
2013-05-20 02:32:24 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: seumasokelly: AdmirableSnackbar: seumasokelly: AdmirableSnackbar: IAmRight: seumasokelly: Organization? I've been trying to make the point here that Seattle is not the only offender on the PED front, and that has been perceived as a lazy homer whitewashing his team's drug problem, but the organization has never blamed anyone else for these suspensions. Sherman appealed his and won, but the organization had nothing to do with that unless you want to include encouraging Browner to take his suspension immediately instead of appealing on the same grounds, as it seems he should have.

It's okay, the rapist fan's just trolling.

After your defense of Richard Sherman, who tested positive and was suspended only to have it overturned on a technicality, it's funny that you think that someone who has never even been tried for a crime is guilty.

Let's equate rape and taking adderall some more.

Anything to get away from the topic of the thread, amirite?

I think that if you pull your head out, you'll notice that I've been more than willing to discuss it.

If by "discuss" you mean attempt to deflect criticism of your team rather than own up to it, I've noticed.


A) I have nothing to own up to. Wait. I took Adderall once when I was 18. It was fun.

B) Kinda like that whole "Big Ben raped a drunk girl in the bathroom" thing.
 
2013-05-20 02:40:28 PM  

seumasokelly: AdmirableSnackbar: seumasokelly: AdmirableSnackbar: seumasokelly: AdmirableSnackbar: IAmRight: seumasokelly: Organization? I've been trying to make the point here that Seattle is not the only offender on the PED front, and that has been perceived as a lazy homer whitewashing his team's drug problem, but the organization has never blamed anyone else for these suspensions. Sherman appealed his and won, but the organization had nothing to do with that unless you want to include encouraging Browner to take his suspension immediately instead of appealing on the same grounds, as it seems he should have.

It's okay, the rapist fan's just trolling.

After your defense of Richard Sherman, who tested positive and was suspended only to have it overturned on a technicality, it's funny that you think that someone who has never even been tried for a crime is guilty.

Let's equate rape and taking adderall some more.

Anything to get away from the topic of the thread, amirite?

I think that if you pull your head out, you'll notice that I've been more than willing to discuss it.

If by "discuss" you mean attempt to deflect criticism of your team rather than own up to it, I've noticed.

A) I have nothing to own up to. Wait. I took Adderall once when I was 18. It was fun.

B) Kinda like that whole "Big Ben raped a drunk girl in the bathroom" thing.


What I'm saying is that maybe you shouldn't whine about other teams also getting players suspended when Seahawks have tested positive for PEDs at a rate 50% higher than any other team.  Because the thread is about the fact that the Seahawks have a disproportionate amount of players who have tested positive for PEDs.  And I thought we weren't equating taking adderall to rape?  Must be another Seahawks fan thing, since you guys keep doing that too.
 
2013-05-20 02:43:06 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: vladimpaler: whizbangthedirtfarmer: vladimpaler: seumasokelly: Killer Cars: seumasokelly: Feign outrage all you want about how an ADD drug taken by children all over the country is somehow affecting the purity of NFL football and Pete Carroll is the #1 pusher. The fact is they've got one more suspension over the last few years than the next two teams behind them. Whoopty frigging doo.

I don't disagree, but speaking as a Pats fan who still takes shots for spygate (even though I personally never tried to rationalize it as anything other than "something really bad and indefensible we got caught for"), you're better off just letting haters hate on some things.

The Seahawks bring it on themselves by being loud. I'm not defending the behavior, I'm just pointing out that it's dumb we only ever hear about the Seahawks testing positive when the half the league has the same problem. People came after the Pats due to a tradition of success that they desperately wanted to explain away as the direct result of cheating. Hopefully the Seahawks will attain that level soon.


Or it might have been that the Patriots had never won a Super Bowl, then started winning a lot, and we later found out they were cheating the entire time they were winning titles.

Refresh my memory, how many Super Bowls have they won since they got caught cheating?

I guess that whole 16-0 season was the result of ... well, I don't know.  I'm sure we can blame it on something, dammit!

\every team did that at the time

***CITATION NEEDED***

\\only difference was that Mangini cornered the NFL


I remember the Super Bowl they won that year...Oh wait, they didn't.  They didn't get the last second field goal after a drive where they called the perfect play time after time or the defensive stop where it seemed they knew exactly what play the offense was going to run.  I wonder what happened.

You just keep farking that chicken.  SI ran several articles in the 90s and early 2000s about teams employing their third ...



Or...Mangini knew how effective the tapes were and decided he was not going to be Bill's biatch during his Jet career, so he turned him in to get the NFL to enforce their rules.
Who else taped?  Name one coach or team and provide evidence (still waiting for one example during that time period besides the Patriots).

Argue this - three titles while taping, none since (despite having a better regular season record).  Did Brady suddenly become a worse quarterback after January?  Did Bill forget how to coach in the playoffs?

Come on, with tapes Belichick was Vince Lombardi, without them he's Andy Reid.  What's the reason if not the tapes were a help?
 
2013-05-20 02:52:22 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: seumasokelly: AdmirableSnackbar: seumasokelly: AdmirableSnackbar: seumasokelly: AdmirableSnackbar: IAmRight: seumasokelly: Organization? I've been trying to make the point here that Seattle is not the only offender on the PED front, and that has been perceived as a lazy homer whitewashing his team's drug problem, but the organization has never blamed anyone else for these suspensions. Sherman appealed his and won, but the organization had nothing to do with that unless you want to include encouraging Browner to take his suspension immediately instead of appealing on the same grounds, as it seems he should have.

It's okay, the rapist fan's just trolling.

After your defense of Richard Sherman, who tested positive and was suspended only to have it overturned on a technicality, it's funny that you think that someone who has never even been tried for a crime is guilty.

Let's equate rape and taking adderall some more.

Anything to get away from the topic of the thread, amirite?

I think that if you pull your head out, you'll notice that I've been more than willing to discuss it.

If by "discuss" you mean attempt to deflect criticism of your team rather than own up to it, I've noticed.

A) I have nothing to own up to. Wait. I took Adderall once when I was 18. It was fun.

B) Kinda like that whole "Big Ben raped a drunk girl in the bathroom" thing.

What I'm saying is that maybe you shouldn't whine about other teams also getting players suspended when Seahawks have tested positive for PEDs at a rate 50% higher than any other team.  Because the thread is about the fact that the Seahawks have a disproportionate amount of players who have tested positive for PEDs.  And I thought we weren't equating taking adderall to rape?  Must be another Seahawks fan thing, since you guys keep doing that too.


I was just pointing out that that's what you did with the criticism of Rapey Ben. Also, you started it neener neener.
 
2013-05-20 02:59:56 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: What I'm saying is that maybe you shouldn't whine about other teams also getting players suspended when Seahawks have tested positive for PEDs at a rate 50% higher than any other team.


Well, we've already seen that they send a crack crew of multiple-time f*ckups to test at least one of our athletes. The NFL sure is known for its consistency in enforcement of rules, though, so I'm sure there's a lot to be worried about.

Why Would I Read the Article: Peter Carroll ran the dirtiest program in college football when he was at USC


How was it dirty? By having players get paid and not being in the SEC? It's kinda silly to expect a coach to track 100 or so players in the greater LA area and ensure none of 'em are getting any benefits on the side.

Especially when other programs are allowed to cheat all they want and not get punished or get punished far less.

AdmirableSnackbar: After your defense of Richard Sherman, who tested positive and was suspended only to have it overturned on a technicality, it's funny that you think that someone who has never even been tried for a crime is guilty.


Well, in one case the guy was called guilty in advance by authorities who followed illegal procedures to create a negative result. In the other case, one guy was declared not guilty by authorities who refused to acknowledge a woman's rape claim because the perpetrator was famous and a friend of the cop. So yeah, totally similar situations.

To make it comparable to your defense of a serial rapist, Sherman would have had to actually tested positive, but the guy who took the test threw out the sample and replaced it with his own so Sherman wouldn't get in trouble.
 
2013-05-20 03:03:26 PM  

seumasokelly: AdmirableSnackbar: seumasokelly: AdmirableSnackbar: seumasokelly: AdmirableSnackbar: seumasokelly: AdmirableSnackbar: IAmRight: seumasokelly: Organization? I've been trying to make the point here that Seattle is not the only offender on the PED front, and that has been perceived as a lazy homer whitewashing his team's drug problem, but the organization has never blamed anyone else for these suspensions. Sherman appealed his and won, but the organization had nothing to do with that unless you want to include encouraging Browner to take his suspension immediately instead of appealing on the same grounds, as it seems he should have.

It's okay, the rapist fan's just trolling.

After your defense of Richard Sherman, who tested positive and was suspended only to have it overturned on a technicality, it's funny that you think that someone who has never even been tried for a crime is guilty.

Let's equate rape and taking adderall some more.

Anything to get away from the topic of the thread, amirite?

I think that if you pull your head out, you'll notice that I've been more than willing to discuss it.

If by "discuss" you mean attempt to deflect criticism of your team rather than own up to it, I've noticed.

A) I have nothing to own up to. Wait. I took Adderall once when I was 18. It was fun.

B) Kinda like that whole "Big Ben raped a drunk girl in the bathroom" thing.

What I'm saying is that maybe you shouldn't whine about other teams also getting players suspended when Seahawks have tested positive for PEDs at a rate 50% higher than any other team.  Because the thread is about the fact that the Seahawks have a disproportionate amount of players who have tested positive for PEDs.  And I thought we weren't equating taking adderall to rape?  Must be another Seahawks fan thing, since you guys keep doing that too.

I was just pointing out that that's what you did with the criticism of Rapey Ben. Also, you started it neener neener.


No, that's not what I did, nor did I "start it".  You might want to look in the direction of your douchetastic partner IAmRight on that one.  I've never defended Roethlisberger because there is no defense for him.  I only noted that IAR has an interesting definition of guilt that changed depending on whether or not he supports the team of someone accused of breaking the law.
 
2013-05-20 03:04:16 PM  
This is fun. We should do this more often.

If you guys want - here's a freebie - Josh Portis (Seattle's 3rd string QB) was arrested for DUI a couple weeks ago, but the news just broke today. One of his blood samples tested under the limit, while the other was over, so we can talk about what constitutes a technicality there too.
 
2013-05-20 03:04:24 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: Peter Carroll ran the dirtiest program in college football when he was at USC


Dirtiest in the Pac 12 maybe.  But he has nothing on the SEC.
 
2013-05-20 03:04:42 PM  

vladimpaler: whizbangthedirtfarmer: vladimpaler: whizbangthedirtfarmer: vladimpaler: seumasokelly: Killer Cars: seumasokelly: Feign outrage all you want about how an ADD drug taken by children all over the country is somehow affecting the purity of NFL football and Pete Carroll is the #1 pusher. The fact is they've got one more suspension over the last few years than the next two teams behind them. Whoopty frigging doo.

I don't disagree, but speaking as a Pats fan who still takes shots for spygate (even though I personally never tried to rationalize it as anything other than "something really bad and indefensible we got caught for"), you're better off just letting haters hate on some things.

The Seahawks bring it on themselves by being loud. I'm not defending the behavior, I'm just pointing out that it's dumb we only ever hear about the Seahawks testing positive when the half the league has the same problem. People came after the Pats due to a tradition of success that they desperately wanted to explain away as the direct result of cheating. Hopefully the Seahawks will attain that level soon.


Or it might have been that the Patriots had never won a Super Bowl, then started winning a lot, and we later found out they were cheating the entire time they were winning titles.

Refresh my memory, how many Super Bowls have they won since they got caught cheating?

I guess that whole 16-0 season was the result of ... well, I don't know.  I'm sure we can blame it on something, dammit!

\every team did that at the time

***CITATION NEEDED***

\\only difference was that Mangini cornered the NFL


I remember the Super Bowl they won that year...Oh wait, they didn't.  They didn't get the last second field goal after a drive where they called the perfect play time after time or the defensive stop where it seemed they knew exactly what play the offense was going to run.  I wonder what happened.

You just keep farking that chicken.  SI ran several articles in the 90s and early 2000s about team ...


Hmmm...you know, I seem to think that Belichick is doing well, even without these tapesLike I said, every team engages in some sort of spying.  The only difference is that the Pats got caught with the tapes.
 
2013-05-20 03:06:45 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: IAmRight: seumasokelly: Organization? I've been trying to make the point here that Seattle is not the only offender on the PED front, and that has been perceived as a lazy homer whitewashing his team's drug problem, but the organization has never blamed anyone else for these suspensions. Sherman appealed his and won, but the organization had nothing to do with that unless you want to include encouraging Browner to take his suspension immediately instead of appealing on the same grounds, as it seems he should have.

It's okay, the rapist fan's just trolling.

After your defense of Richard Sherman, who tested positive and was suspended only to have it overturned on a technicality, it's funny that you think that someone who has never even been tried for a crime is guilty.


That's your version of the story.
 
2013-05-20 03:07:50 PM  

stappawho: Why Would I Read the Article: Peter Carroll ran the dirtiest program in college football when he was at USC

Dirtiest in the Pac 12 maybe.  But he has nothing on the SEC.


The ACC and The Carolina WayTM are trying to throw their hat in the ring too.
 
2013-05-20 03:09:01 PM  
Anyway, teams with most suspensions in that span:

Seahawks
Broncos
NY Giants
Patriots

...okay, I'm fine with doing things like those franchises.
 
2013-05-20 03:12:54 PM  

seumasokelly: steamingpile: seumasokelly: AdmirableSnackbar: IAmRight: seumasokelly: Organization? I've been trying to make the point here that Seattle is not the only offender on the PED front, and that has been perceived as a lazy homer whitewashing his team's drug problem, but the organization has never blamed anyone else for these suspensions. Sherman appealed his and won, but the organization had nothing to do with that unless you want to include encouraging Browner to take his suspension immediately instead of appealing on the same grounds, as it seems he should have.

It's okay, the rapist fan's just trolling.

After your defense of Richard Sherman, who tested positive and was suspended only to have it overturned on a technicality, it's funny that you think that someone who has never even been tried for a crime is guilty.

Let's equate rape and taking adderall some more.

Clenbuterol can have the same initial markings as adderal, just saying......

The fact is, we'll never know. The NFL doesn't release the particulars of what drug players tested positive for, so the player can say anything they want. You really have no choice but to take the player at his word if you want to try to talk specifics of a certain case. It seems more likely than for other guys, based on the type of player Browner and Sherman are, that it could be one of your classic anabolics. Both are quite large and muscular for their position and play a physical style that would be helped by steroids - especially when you consider that Browner is fighting tooth and nail to make the league and keep his job and Sherman is playing for that lucrative 2nd contract that makes or breaks your need to sell insurance after retirement.

If we want to talk specifics of their situations, the only thing we've heard from anyone is adderall, but there's a distinct possiblity it was something else. Just like everyone else who's tested positive.

To be fair to both players though, the reason they are Seahawks is because they were freak athletes to begin with.


Oh we know he used something illegal but got off on a technicality just like Braun.
 
2013-05-20 03:14:57 PM  

stappawho: Why Would I Read the Article: Peter Carroll ran the dirtiest program in college football when he was at USC

Dirtiest in the Pac 12 maybe.  But he has nothing on the SEC.


Yet more teams have had sanctions in the pac12 than the sec the past few years, but yet people still spew this BS.
 
2013-05-20 03:20:26 PM  

ancker: Maybe they should chat with Ray Lewis or Adrian Peterson to figure out how to not get caught.

Both had catastrophic injuries yet somehow seemed to recover an order or magnitude faster than the norm and perform better than they did before the injury.


Your hate for AD is getting tired.
 
2013-05-20 03:20:53 PM  

IAmRight: I'd rather have a good team that had a few guys who got caught than a sh*t team that everyone was "clean" on, since I don't have a hardon for the War on Drugs.


You should check out the documentary "Bigger, Stronger, Faster*"... its on Netflix, and if you Google it, appears you can watch it free at some places.

It gives a lot of rationale as to why it may be best to just let players use PED's.  And busts a lot of myths about 'roids.

No matter your stance, its totally worth watching.  It changed my mind on a lot of things.

I still think cheating is cheating- rules are rules and all.
 
2013-05-20 03:30:30 PM  

downstairs: IAmRight: I'd rather have a good team that had a few guys who got caught than a sh*t team that everyone was "clean" on, since I don't have a hardon for the War on Drugs.

You should check out the documentary "Bigger, Stronger, Faster*"... its on Netflix, and if you Google it, appears you can watch it free at some places.

It gives a lot of rationale as to why it may be best to just let players use PED's.  And busts a lot of myths about 'roids.

No matter your stance, its totally worth watching.  It changed my mind on a lot of things.

I still think cheating is cheating- rules are rules and all.


I'm honestly not sure Adderall should be considered cheating.
 
2013-05-20 03:44:57 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: vladimpaler: whizbangthedirtfarmer: vladimpaler: whizbangthedirtfarmer: vladimpaler: seumasokelly: Killer Cars: seumasokelly: Feign outrage all you want about how an ADD drug taken by children all over the country is somehow affecting the purity of NFL football and Pete Carroll is the #1 pusher. The fact is they've got one more suspension over the last few years than the next two teams behind them. Whoopty frigging doo.

I don't disagree, but speaking as a Pats fan who still takes shots for spygate (even though I personally never tried to rationalize it as anything other than "something really bad and indefensible we got caught for"), you're better off just letting haters hate on some things.

The Seahawks bring it on themselves by being loud. I'm not defending the behavior, I'm just pointing out that it's dumb we only ever hear about the Seahawks testing positive when the half the league has the same problem. People came after the Pats due to a tradition of success that they desperately wanted to explain away as the direct result of cheating. Hopefully the Seahawks will attain that level soon.


Or it might have been that the Patriots had never won a Super Bowl, then started winning a lot, and we later found out they were cheating the entire time they were winning titles.

Refresh my memory, how many Super Bowls have they won since they got caught cheating?

I guess that whole 16-0 season was the result of ... well, I don't know.  I'm sure we can blame it on something, dammit!

\every team did that at the time

***CITATION NEEDED***

\\only difference was that Mangini cornered the NFL


I remember the Super Bowl they won that year...Oh wait, they didn't.  They didn't get the last second field goal after a drive where they called the perfect play time after time or the defensive stop where it seemed they knew exactly what play the offense was going to run.  I wonder what happened.

You just keep farking that chicken.  SI ran several articles in the 90s and early 200 ...


they (the pats) actually have a better regular season record, better completion %, more touchdowns, more offensive production, more interceptions, etc. since getting caught

unless they moved from using cameras to telekinesis, the effect whatever footage they had is about as overblown as 9/11 trutherisms

as for the whole "everybody cheats!" thing well... it's probably true, i mean for example if you went into a university and expelled everybody who cheated you wouldn't have a school anymore, i have a hard time believing that all these other sports are just as treacherous as the real world but somehow the NFL is this shining beacon of virginity and angelic behavior...

that said, Pete Carroll carries this stuff everywhere, i mean there's a difference between joe sixpack getting free internet and a mob boss, and Pete definitely comes across more like a mob boss
 
2013-05-20 03:48:17 PM  

the1hatman: PowerSlacker: That link just told me that we need a pro version of the Fulmer Cup.

Then again, could anyone else even compete with Oakland and Cincinnati?

So you see Oakland at the bottom with 0 and lump them in with the criminals that play in Cincy? I suppose it would suprise you to learn  that the Raiders are only mid-pack in arrests since 2000? I know farkers can never tell the difference between perception and reality but the real thugs in the AFC West are the Denver Broncos who can't lay off the PEDs or stay out of jail.


Just as the Seattle fans aren't happy with being called cheaters and Pats fans are sick of hearing about Spygate, some Cincinnati fans (by birth more than choice here) are sick of the criminal thing.  The Lions have been head and shoulders above the rest of the league in the last few years, but every time someone gets arrested the "hurr durr, I bet the Bengals will sign him" comments come flying.  The Lions had six people get arrested last year to Cincinnati's two, but no one seems to know or care.

/Still...please stay out of trouble AJ!
 
2013-05-20 03:57:24 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: vladimpaler: whizbangthedirtfarmer: vladimpaler: whizbangthedirtfarmer: vladimpaler: seumasokelly: Killer Cars: seumasokelly: Feign outrage all you want about how an ADD drug taken by children all over the country is somehow affecting the purity of NFL football and Pete Carroll is the #1 pusher. The fact is they've got one more suspension over the last few years than the next two teams behind them. Whoopty frigging doo.

I don't disagree, but speaking as a Pats fan who still takes shots for spygate (even though I personally never tried to rationalize it as anything other than "something really bad and indefensible we got caught for"), you're better off just letting haters hate on some things.

The Seahawks bring it on themselves by being loud. I'm not defending the behavior, I'm just pointing out that it's dumb we only ever hear about the Seahawks testing positive when the half the league has the same problem. People came after the Pats due to a tradition of success that they desperately wanted to explain away as the direct result of cheating. Hopefully the Seahawks will attain that level soon.


Or it might have been that the Patriots had never won a Super Bowl, then started winning a lot, and we later found out they were cheating the entire time they were winning titles.

Refresh my memory, how many Super Bowls have they won since they got caught cheating?

I guess that whole 16-0 season was the result of ... well, I don't know.  I'm sure we can blame it on something, dammit!

\every team did that at the time

***CITATION NEEDED***

\\only difference was that Mangini cornered the NFL


I remember the Super Bowl they won that year...Oh wait, they didn't.  They didn't get the last second field goal after a drive where they called the perfect play time after time or the defensive stop where it seemed they knew exactly what play the offense was going to run.  I wonder what happened.

You just keep farking that chicken.  SI ran several articles in the 90s and early 200 ...


From your post:

\every team did that at the time

From the article you linked to:


The NFL is full of legal spy tactics, but sources say only the Patriots are known to have used illegal videotaping procedures.

That is the problem.  No Patriot fan has ever stood up and said "Yeah, we cheated and we won.  So?"  It's always, "Everybody taped, we just got caught, but the 49ers and the Cowboys violated the salary cap in the 80s and 90s and the Steelers used steroids in the 70s (as did every other team before they were against the rules), so we're not that bad, and besides, the tapes didn't help anyway, we just did it for seven years to give people jobs".

Own your cheating, admit to the possibility the taping helped, and move on with your pathetic lives.
 
2013-05-20 04:02:15 PM  

RonwellQuincyDobbs: Just as the Seattle fans aren't happy with being called cheaters and Pats fans are sick of hearing about Spygate, some Cincinnati fans are sick of the criminal thing. The Lions have been head and shoulders above the rest of the league in the last few years, but every time someone gets arrested the "hurr durr, I bet the Bengals will sign him" comments come flying.


They do?  I think outside of Ohio they're too irrelevant to earn such derision.  I bet a good percentage of people aren't even aware Cincinnati has a team.
 
2013-05-20 04:05:42 PM  

spiderpaz: RonwellQuincyDobbs: Just as the Seattle fans aren't happy with being called cheaters and Pats fans are sick of hearing about Spygate, some Cincinnati fans are sick of the criminal thing. The Lions have been head and shoulders above the rest of the league in the last few years, but every time someone gets arrested the "hurr durr, I bet the Bengals will sign him" comments come flying.

They do?  I think outside of Ohio they're too irrelevant to earn such derision.  I bet a good percentage of people aren't even aware Cincinnati has a team.


That's hilarious.
 
2013-05-20 04:07:52 PM  

digistil: downstairs: IAmRight: I'd rather have a good team that had a few guys who got caught than a sh*t team that everyone was "clean" on, since I don't have a hardon for the War on Drugs.

You should check out the documentary "Bigger, Stronger, Faster*"... its on Netflix, and if you Google it, appears you can watch it free at some places.

It gives a lot of rationale as to why it may be best to just let players use PED's.  And busts a lot of myths about 'roids.

No matter your stance, its totally worth watching.  It changed my mind on a lot of things.

I still think cheating is cheating- rules are rules and all.

I'm honestly not sure Adderall should be considered cheating.


It's a tough call.  I'd say it isn't.  Being mentally focused may or may not help you win a football game.  Like praying.
 
2013-05-20 04:09:14 PM  

RonwellQuincyDobbs: the1hatman: PowerSlacker: That link just told me that we need a pro version of the Fulmer Cup.

Then again, could anyone else even compete with Oakland and Cincinnati?

So you see Oakland at the bottom with 0 and lump them in with the criminals that play in Cincy? I suppose it would suprise you to learn  that the Raiders are only mid-pack in arrests since 2000? I know farkers can never tell the difference between perception and reality but the real thugs in the AFC West are the Denver Broncos who can't lay off the PEDs or stay out of jail.

Just as the Seattle fans aren't happy with being called cheaters and Pats fans are sick of hearing about Spygate, some Cincinnati fans (by birth more than choice here) are sick of the criminal thing.  The Lions have been head and shoulders above the rest of the league in the last few years, but every time someone gets arrested the "hurr durr, I bet the Bengals will sign him" comments come flying.  The Lions had six people get arrested last year to Cincinnati's two, but no one seems to know or care.

/Still...please stay out of trouble AJ!


And much like the Seattle fans, that's just too bad because you still have to own it. Just like the Hawks have double the PED hits of most of the league's teams you guys still rank #2 on the arrest chart this century. Yea the Lions have had a tough couple of years but even with their mini crime spree they are still ranked in the bottom half of the league with half the # Cincy has. Maybe you guys really are on the way to cleaning out the thugs but untill then suck it up!

And next time compare them to the Vikings not the Lions. Would've made a lot more sense.
 
2013-05-20 04:11:55 PM  

ShiningWizard: RonwellQuincyDobbs: the1hatman: PowerSlacker: That link just told me that we need a pro version of the Fulmer Cup.

Then again, could anyone else even compete with Oakland and Cincinnati?

So you see Oakland at the bottom with 0 and lump them in with the criminals that play in Cincy? I suppose it would suprise you to learn  that the Raiders are only mid-pack in arrests since 2000? I know farkers can never tell the difference between perception and reality but the real thugs in the AFC West are the Denver Broncos who can't lay off the PEDs or stay out of jail.

Just as the Seattle fans aren't happy with being called cheaters and Pats fans are sick of hearing about Spygate, some Cincinnati fans (by birth more than choice here) are sick of the criminal thing.  The Lions have been head and shoulders above the rest of the league in the last few years, but every time someone gets arrested the "hurr durr, I bet the Bengals will sign him" comments come flying.  The Lions had six people get arrested last year to Cincinnati's two, but no one seems to know or care.

/Still...please stay out of trouble AJ!

And much like the Seattle fans, that's just too bad because you still have to own it. Just like the Hawks have double the PED hits of most of the league's teams you guys still rank #2 on the arrest chart this century. Yea the Lions have had a tough couple of years but even with their mini crime spree they are still ranked in the bottom half of the league with half the # Cincy has. Maybe you guys really are on the way to cleaning out the thugs but untill then suck it up!

And next time compare them to the Vikings not the Lions. Would've made a lot more sense.


The Vikings turned breaking the law into a team-building activity. They make it a higher artform.
 
2013-05-20 04:12:38 PM  

digistil: downstairs: IAmRight: I'd rather have a good team that had a few guys who got caught than a sh*t team that everyone was "clean" on, since I don't have a hardon for the War on Drugs.

You should check out the documentary "Bigger, Stronger, Faster*"... its on Netflix, and if you Google it, appears you can watch it free at some places.

It gives a lot of rationale as to why it may be best to just let players use PED's.  And busts a lot of myths about 'roids.

No matter your stance, its totally worth watching.  It changed my mind on a lot of things.

I still think cheating is cheating- rules are rules and all.

I'm honestly not sure Adderall should be considered cheating.


Wow, is that on the banned list?  I guess I should have RTFA.  That seems over-reaching on the part of the NFL to me.
 
2013-05-20 04:17:21 PM  

seumasokelly: ShiningWizard: RonwellQuincyDobbs: the1hatman: PowerSlacker: That link just told me that we need a pro version of the Fulmer Cup.

Then again, could anyone else even compete with Oakland and Cincinnati?

So you see Oakland at the bottom with 0 and lump them in with the criminals that play in Cincy? I suppose it would suprise you to learn  that the Raiders are only mid-pack in arrests since 2000? I know farkers can never tell the difference between perception and reality but the real thugs in the AFC West are the Denver Broncos who can't lay off the PEDs or stay out of jail.

Just as the Seattle fans aren't happy with being called cheaters and Pats fans are sick of hearing about Spygate, some Cincinnati fans (by birth more than choice here) are sick of the criminal thing.  The Lions have been head and shoulders above the rest of the league in the last few years, but every time someone gets arrested the "hurr durr, I bet the Bengals will sign him" comments come flying.  The Lions had six people get arrested last year to Cincinnati's two, but no one seems to know or care.

/Still...please stay out of trouble AJ!

And much like the Seattle fans, that's just too bad because you still have to own it. Just like the Hawks have double the PED hits of most of the league's teams you guys still rank #2 on the arrest chart this century. Yea the Lions have had a tough couple of years but even with their mini crime spree they are still ranked in the bottom half of the league with half the # Cincy has. Maybe you guys really are on the way to cleaning out the thugs but untill then suck it up!

And next time compare them to the Vikings not the Lions. Would've made a lot more sense.

The Vikings turned breaking the law into a team-building activity. They make it a higher artform.


On a boat, anything goes.  Because of, you know, the implications.
 
2013-05-20 04:35:35 PM  

vladimpaler: The NFL is full of legal spy tactics, but sources say only the Patriots are known to have used illegal videotaping procedures.

That is the problem.  No Patriot fan has ever stood up and said "Yeah, we cheated and we won.  So?"  It's always, "Everybody taped, we just got caught, but the 49ers and the Cowboys violated the salary cap in the 80s and 90s and the Steelers used steroids in the 70s (as did every other team before they were against the rules), so we're not that bad, and besides, the tapes didn't help anyway, we just did it for seven years to give people jobs".

Own your cheating, admit to the possibility the taping helped, and move on with your pathetic lives.


*shrugs* i'm not even a pats fan (still salty over them preventing us from getting to the super bowl when we had a real chance to make a second run for it) but i don't think the taping helped much, at the end of the day football games are decided on the field, no matter how much fair or unfair preparation you have or the other team has there's no excuses in the end
 
2013-05-20 04:37:53 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: vladimpaler: seumasokelly: Killer Cars: seumasokelly: Feign outrage all you want about how an ADD drug taken by children all over the country is somehow affecting the purity of NFL football and Pete Carroll is the #1 pusher. The fact is they've got one more suspension over the last few years than the next two teams behind them. Whoopty frigging doo.

I don't disagree, but speaking as a Pats fan who still takes shots for spygate (even though I personally never tried to rationalize it as anything other than "something really bad and indefensible we got caught for"), you're better off just letting haters hate on some things.

The Seahawks bring it on themselves by being loud. I'm not defending the behavior, I'm just pointing out that it's dumb we only ever hear about the Seahawks testing positive when the half the league has the same problem. People came after the Pats due to a tradition of success that they desperately wanted to explain away as the direct result of cheating. Hopefully the Seahawks will attain that level soon.


Or it might have been that the Patriots had never won a Super Bowl, then started winning a lot, and we later found out they were cheating the entire time they were winning titles.

Refresh my memory, how many Super Bowls have they won since they got caught cheating?

I guess that whole 16-0 season was the result of ... well, I don't know.  I'm sure we can blame it on something, dammit!

\every team did that at the time
\\only difference was that Mangini cornered the NFL


Lol, whatever helps you sleep at night.
 
2013-05-20 04:50:03 PM  

digistil: ancker: Maybe they should chat with Ray Lewis or Adrian Peterson to figure out how to not get caught.

Both had catastrophic injuries yet somehow seemed to recover an order or magnitude faster than the norm and perform better than they did before the injury.

Your hate for AD is getting tired.


My hate? I have never once posted about him. How is a single post getting 'tired'?
 
2013-05-20 04:51:05 PM  
All I've learned from this thread is that all sides are bad, so root Seahawks.
 
2013-05-20 04:59:57 PM  

vladimpaler: The NFL is full of legal spy tactics, but sources say only the Patriots are known to have used illegal videotaping procedures.

That is the problem.  No Patriot fan has ever stood up and said "Yeah, we cheated and we won.  So?"  It's always, "Everybody taped, we just got caught, but the 49ers and the Cowboys violated the salary cap in the 80s and 90s and the Steelers used steroids in the 70s (as did every other team before they were against the rules), so we're not that bad, and besides, the tapes didn't help anyway, we just did it for seven years to give people jobs".

Own your cheating, admit to the possibility the taping helped, and move on with your pathetic lives.


Jimmy Johnson has been quoted as saying several teams engage in the practices that the Patriots got in trouble for.  And Bill Cowher is on record saying the same thing as well as noting that he doesn't think the illegal taping had any role in the Patriots beating the Steelers during their early run of success.

The margins for victory and defeat are razor thin in the NFL.  Games are literally won and lost on single plays every week.  The fact that in the years since Spygate the Patriots have literally the most wins in the NFL speaks to the dominance of the program and the frivolous nature of the taping.  That the Patriots have not won a Super Bowl since then in simply an exercise in probability where high level championship games are a coin flip. They got heads three times in a row and two tails after that.
 
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