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(SFGate)   Sixth Seahawk since 2011 tests positive for performance enhancing drugs, will miss first 4 games. That's a nice trend you got there Pete the cheat   (blog.sfgate.com ) divider line 132
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2013-05-20 11:36:54 AM  
Guess we should do a better job of masking it, like the 49ers.

/anyone who believes any team has no players who have taken banned substances in the past three years is dumber than Goodell
 
2013-05-20 11:40:46 AM  
The trend is that his players are dumb enough to get caught.
 
2013-05-20 11:46:00 AM  

IAmRight: Guess we should do a better job of masking it, like the 49ers.

/anyone who believes any team has no players who have taken banned substances in the past three years is dumber than Goodell


Jeez, even as a Giants fan I don't go there on the Eagles and Cowboys.  Is this a west coast thing now?
 
2013-05-20 11:50:37 AM  

Rwa2play: Jeez, even as a Giants fan I don't go there on the Eagles and Cowboys.  Is this a west coast thing now?


Well, I've been saying that only a retard would think these guys aren't using PEDs since back when everyone wanted to pretend it was a huge deal in baseball, so I'm pretty much being consistent.

I'd rather have a good team that had a few guys who got caught than a sh*t team that everyone was "clean" on, since I don't have a hardon for the War on Drugs.
 
2013-05-20 12:04:47 PM  

Rwa2play: IAmRight: Guess we should do a better job of masking it, like the 49ers.

/anyone who believes any team has no players who have taken banned substances in the past three years is dumber than Goodell

Jeez, even as a Giants fan I don't go there on the Eagles and Cowboys.  Is this a west coast thing now?


Yeah, even an Iggles fan like me wouldn't go there.  But then again we have Romo and Dallas to pick on.
 
2013-05-20 12:05:37 PM  
Time for Pete to head back to the NCAA?
 
2013-05-20 12:05:40 PM  
Well apparently, the drugs don't work very well then.
 
2013-05-20 12:07:54 PM  

IAmRight: Rwa2play: Jeez, even as a Giants fan I don't go there on the Eagles and Cowboys.  Is this a west coast thing now?

Well, I've been saying that only a retard would think these guys aren't using PEDs since back when everyone wanted to pretend it was a huge deal in baseball, so I'm pretty much being consistent.

I'd rather have a good team that had a few guys who got caught than a sh*t team that everyone was "clean" on, since I don't have a hardon for the War on Drugs.


I don't watch the game to see a fair clean contest.  I watch the game to be entertained.  And PEDs only add to the entertainment level.  They should be actively encouraged at the pro level.  After all, it's not my balls that are shriveling up.
 
2013-05-20 12:11:56 PM  

FloydA: Well apparently, the drugs don't work very well then.


You know how I know you aren't a long suffering Seahawks fan?
 
2013-05-20 12:14:10 PM  
Would now be a good time to point out that it is really 5, not 6, since Sherman's was overturned on appeal because the collection process was farked up?
 
2013-05-20 12:14:45 PM  

xaks: Would now be a good time to point out that it is really 5, not 6, since Sherman's was overturned on appeal because the collection process was farked up?


No.  Sherman did test positive after all.
 
2013-05-20 12:17:42 PM  

PowerSlacker: xaks: Would now be a good time to point out that it is really 5, not 6, since Sherman's was overturned on appeal because the collection process was farked up?

No.  Sherman did test positive after all.


You guys really keep track of this stuff?
 
2013-05-20 12:17:48 PM  

xaks: Would now be a good time to point out that it is really 5, not 6, since Sherman's was overturned on appeal because the collection process was farked up?


It's still 6. Sherman just used the Ryan Braun defense, that's it. He still pissed hot.
 
2013-05-20 12:17:49 PM  
Please if under half the league is doping, I'd be shocked.  Although I'm sure we'll have people in here to argue how all the appearance of all these 330 pound manbeasts (who are solid muscle) is totally normal and just the result of training.

The Seahawks suck because I'd imagine it is like pro bike racing where you have a lot of infrastructure to support covert doping, so you have to be extra farking stupid to get caught.
 
2013-05-20 12:22:37 PM  

desertgeek: It's still 6. Sherman just used the Ryan Braun defense, that's it. He still pissed hot.


Again, for everyone that says this, I hope you take a drug test, have the collector, who is known to have collected samples improperly at least a half-dozen times, give you a cup that leaks, and just tells you to pour it in this extra one he has over here, that's open and not sealed. Then you pop positive. I feel like you'd change your tune about that being a legitimate defense.
 
2013-05-20 12:22:41 PM  

desertgeek: Sherman just used the Ryan Braun defense, that's it. He still pissed hot.


I'm not going to defend anyone who tests positive, but, I'm glad both Sherman and Braun were able to get their cases overturned.

I may hate cheaters, but I'm beyond flabbergasted that entities like the NFL and MLB, in the super-touchy era we live in with regards to performance-enhancers, would be dumb enough to employ/contract dimwits who can't follow procedure when handling samples. You deserve scorn and embarrassment for that.
 
2013-05-20 12:29:50 PM  

IAmRight: desertgeek: It's still 6. Sherman just used the Ryan Braun defense, that's it. He still pissed hot.

Again, for everyone that says this, I hope you take a drug test, have the collector, who is known to have collected samples improperly at least a half-dozen times, give you a cup that leaks, and just tells you to pour it in this extra one he has over here, that's open and not sealed. Then you pop positive. I feel like you'd change your tune about that being a legitimate defense.


Not to mention false positives that have a highly probable chance of occurring if every player in the league gets tested even twice a year.
 
2013-05-20 12:34:01 PM  
They quoted Craig Dahl?  Dahl should consider taking some PEDs himself.  Ask any Rams fan.
 
2013-05-20 12:35:15 PM  

IAmRight: desertgeek: It's still 6. Sherman just used the Ryan Braun defense, that's it. He still pissed hot.

Again, for everyone that says this, I hope you take a drug test, have the collector, who is known to have collected samples improperly at least a half-dozen times, give you a cup that leaks, and just tells you to pour it in this extra one he has over here, that's open and not sealed. Then you pop positive. I feel like you'd change your tune about that being a legitimate defense.


Lighten up.  Sherman's mouth alone will always make him look guilty in the court of public opinion.
 
2013-05-20 12:35:52 PM  

desertgeek: He still pissed hot.


Doesn't everyone?
 
2013-05-20 12:37:18 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: PowerSlacker: xaks: Would now be a good time to point out that it is really 5, not 6, since Sherman's was overturned on appeal because the collection process was farked up?

No.  Sherman did test positive after all.

You guys really keep track of this stuff?


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-20 12:37:45 PM  

Killer Cars: desertgeek: Sherman just used the Ryan Braun defense, that's it. He still pissed hot.

I'm not going to defend anyone who tests positive, but, I'm glad both Sherman and Braun were able to get their cases overturned.

I may hate cheaters, but I'm beyond flabbergasted that entities like the NFL and MLB, in the super-touchy era we live in with regards to performance-enhancers, would be dumb enough to employ/contract dimwits who can't follow procedure when handling samples. You deserve scorn and embarrassment for that.


I agree with this. I also would say that in Braun's case, the public shouldn't know about a failed drug test until after an appeal has been heard and denied.

But based on the information that publicly available, the mishandling did not affect the test specimens in any way. In Braun's case, that's been proven. Sherman's case, I'm not as certain about.
 
2013-05-20 12:50:09 PM  

desertgeek: xaks: Would now be a good time to point out that it is really 5, not 6, since Sherman's was overturned on appeal because the collection process was farked up?

It's still 6. Sherman just used the Ryan Braun defense, that's it. He still pissed hot.


Is that one plus two plus one plus one or was it one plus one plus 2 plus one?
 
2013-05-20 12:54:31 PM  

desertgeek: Killer Cars: desertgeek: Sherman just used the Ryan Braun defense, that's it. He still pissed hot.

I'm not going to defend anyone who tests positive, but, I'm glad both Sherman and Braun were able to get their cases overturned.

I may hate cheaters, but I'm beyond flabbergasted that entities like the NFL and MLB, in the super-touchy era we live in with regards to performance-enhancers, would be dumb enough to employ/contract dimwits who can't follow procedure when handling samples. You deserve scorn and embarrassment for that.

I agree with this. I also would say that in Braun's case, the public shouldn't know about a failed drug test until after an appeal has been heard and denied.

But based on the information that publicly available, the mishandling did not affect the test specimens in any way. In Braun's case, that's been proven. Sherman's case, I'm not as certain about.


Pouring a leaky sample into the "totally clean, trust me" cup with the seal already broken doesn't affect the sample? That's f*cking ridiculous.
 
2013-05-20 12:59:30 PM  
Link

A little perspective for anyone who thinks the Seahawks are ZOMGCHEATERS.
 
2013-05-20 01:03:14 PM  

seumasokelly: Link

A little perspective for anyone who thinks the Seahawks are ZOMGCHEATERS.


when half the league has no players or only one suspended and your team has six it does add "a little perspective"
 
2013-05-20 01:03:17 PM  

seumasokelly: Link

A little perspective for anyone who thinks the Seahawks are ZOMGCHEATERS.


All that article says is the Seahawks are cheating the most.
 
2013-05-20 01:05:37 PM  

seumasokelly: Link

A little perspective for anyone who thinks the Seahawks are ZOMGCHEATERS.


So... Having twice as many player known to use PED than any other team in the NFL makes them less of cheaters? Or is this an "Everybody's doin' it!" Post?
 
2013-05-20 01:06:48 PM  

IAmRight: Guess we should do a better job of masking it, like the 49ers.

/anyone who believes any team has no players who have taken banned substances in the past three years is dumber than Goodell


Keep telling yourself that.  The Niners are still going to end up on top of the hawks regardless.
 
2013-05-20 01:07:41 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: I don't watch the game to see a fair clean contest. I watch the game to be entertained. And PEDs only add to the entertainment level.


If you're a psychopath, anyway.  The problem with PEDs in the NFL is that the improvements in equipment aren't keeping up.  Let me pre-empt the usual "you're just blinded by nostalgia" counterpoint by acknowledging that, yes, concussions in football pre-date PEDs and the NFL itself.  Also, advances in equipment safety have certainly gone a long way toward mitigating injuries.  That said, players these days are a terrifying combination of power and speed.  For example, it's a myth that the linemen from twenty years ago are smaller (try going back farther than that), but they were certainly slower.  A 2013 DE needs to be about as fast as a 1993 linebacker just to make the roster, and momentum is a combination of mass AND velocity.  All that flying meat causes bad things to happen.

That said, there's only so much you can do if the culture itself embraces PEDs.  In those cases, though, at least have it be all one or the other -- permanently ban anyone who uses them without coddling the superstars or covering up systemic abuse, or make it a goddamn free-for-all.  Half-assed PR measures only hurt the guys who have integrity, which is exactly how not to run a society.

So of course we're going to go the half-assed PR route, because if there's a dirty world it's professional sports.
 
2013-05-20 01:08:07 PM  

Rwa2play: IAmRight: Guess we should do a better job of masking it, like the 49ers.

/anyone who believes any team has no players who have taken banned substances in the past three years is dumber than Goodell

Jeez, even as a Giants fan I don't go there on the Eagles and Cowboys.  Is this a west coast thing now?


No he's just a douche, when the peahawks suck he just roots for the packers, there are plenty of people that use adderal for legit medical reasons. The problem is that all these players seem to not bother getting medical clearance.
 
2013-05-20 01:10:38 PM  
Hurrr everyone cheats so this is OK now let me get back to doing Seattle things hurrr.
 
2013-05-20 01:11:07 PM  

mooseyfate: seumasokelly: Link

A little perspective for anyone who thinks the Seahawks are ZOMGCHEATERS.

So... Having twice as many player known to use PED than any other team in the NFL makes them less of cheaters? Or is this an "Everybody's doin' it!" Post?


Your math sucks.
 
2013-05-20 01:11:18 PM  

seumasokelly: Link

A little perspective for anyone who thinks the Seahawks are ZOMGCHEATERS.


I find it interesting that out of the teams that have 0 suspensions on that list, only the 49ers and Colts have been any good.
 
2013-05-20 01:12:02 PM  

seumasokelly: desertgeek: Killer Cars: desertgeek: Sherman just used the Ryan Braun defense, that's it. He still pissed hot.

I'm not going to defend anyone who tests positive, but, I'm glad both Sherman and Braun were able to get their cases overturned.

I may hate cheaters, but I'm beyond flabbergasted that entities like the NFL and MLB, in the super-touchy era we live in with regards to performance-enhancers, would be dumb enough to employ/contract dimwits who can't follow procedure when handling samples. You deserve scorn and embarrassment for that.

I agree with this. I also would say that in Braun's case, the public shouldn't know about a failed drug test until after an appeal has been heard and denied.

But based on the information that publicly available, the mishandling did not affect the test specimens in any way. In Braun's case, that's been proven. Sherman's case, I'm not as certain about.

Pouring a leaky sample into the "totally clean, trust me" cup with the seal already broken doesn't affect the sample? That's f*cking ridiculous.


If you read the testimony you will see the cup was just opened for the next test, you act like they crushed up adderal, put it in the cup, then had the leaky cup to say oopsies have to use "this" cup.

Face it he should have been suspended and got.off on a technicality.
 
2013-05-20 01:12:05 PM  

VvonderJesus: seumasokelly: Link

A little perspective for anyone who thinks the Seahawks are ZOMGCHEATERS.

All that article says is the Seahawks are cheating the most.


On the other hand, Allen Barbre isn't with the team; Winston Guy is a marginal end-of-the-roster guy who has barely played and might or might not make the 53-man roster in 2013; and John Moffitt is the guy who couldn't beat out a 7th-round converted-DT rookie, and is also now on the roster bubble.  That leaves them with two convicted PED users of any consequence, Brandon Browner and now Bruce Irvin.
 
2013-05-20 01:12:06 PM  
Maybe they should chat with Ray Lewis or Adrian Peterson to figure out how to not get caught.

Both had catastrophic injuries yet somehow seemed to recover an order or magnitude faster than the norm and perform better than they did before the injury.
 
2013-05-20 01:12:42 PM  

great_tigers: seumasokelly: Link

A little perspective for anyone who thinks the Seahawks are ZOMGCHEATERS.

when half the league has no players or only one suspended and your team has six it does add "a little perspective"


But we're not hearing a peep about Denver and NYG (with one less suspension each) are we? Until this Irvin suspension all you heard about was Seattle when two others had just as many suspensions.
 
2013-05-20 01:20:05 PM  
It's cute that subby thinks footballs fan about PEDs. Football fans care nothing about the integrity of the game or the health of the players.  Football fans care about only three things, Did my team win? How did my Fantasy Football players do?, and Did I cover the points spread?
 
2013-05-20 01:21:18 PM  
Bottom line, the Seahawks have more than their fair share of suspensions over the last few seasons, a whopping 5 out of over 100 players that have cycled through here. Obviously, that means Pete Carroll is a dirty cheater and Adderall is the only reason the Seahawks made the playoffs. Lets get a little perspective here though - 45 players who are not Seahawks have been suspended over the same time frame and I never saw any trolly headlines calling their coaches cheaters.

Feign outrage all you want about how an ADD drug taken by children all over the country is somehow affecting the purity of NFL football and Pete Carroll is the #1 pusher. The fact is they've got one more suspension over the last few years than the next two teams behind them. Whoopty frigging doo.
 
2013-05-20 01:22:38 PM  

seumasokelly: great_tigers: seumasokelly: Link

A little perspective for anyone who thinks the Seahawks are ZOMGCHEATERS.

when half the league has no players or only one suspended and your team has six it does add "a little perspective"

But we're not hearing a peep about Denver and NYG (with one less suspension each) are we? Until this Irvin suspension all you heard about was Seattle when two others had just as many suspensions.


It's obviously a conspiracy against your team.

/farking Seattle fans
//instead of the conspiracy angle how bout just say "I don't care if my team cheats, I only care if I can make fun of your team for cheating", much more honest; much less self righteous and pathetically homerrific
///also it is cheating, even if "everyone" else is doing it...personally I don't care about PEDs, I hope my team is doing them and getting away with it, but to pretend it isn't against the rules because you totally know everyone is doing it, well that's sliding right back into that sad butthurt Seattle fans are famous for
 
2013-05-20 01:30:14 PM  
As a Seahawks fan, I will say this is mildly concerning, but I don't think it has much to do with Carroll.  If I remember correctly, most teams have some sort of compliance officer or something of that nature who lectures the athletes about what they can/can't take, and also is available for questions about supplements.  This could be something as simply as not having or having a shiatty compliance officer.

That said, I do buy Irvin's explanation: apparently, he does have a prescrip for Adderall, but he was taking it before the NFL cleared the paperwork.  Not entirely fair, but them's the rules.
 
2013-05-20 01:31:34 PM  

seumasokelly: Link

A little perspective for anyone who thinks the Seahawks are ZOMGCHEATERS.


That link just told me that we need a pro version of the Fulmer Cup.

Then again, could anyone else even compete with Oakland and Cincinnati?
 
2013-05-20 01:34:05 PM  

js34603: seumasokelly: great_tigers: seumasokelly: Link

A little perspective for anyone who thinks the Seahawks are ZOMGCHEATERS.

when half the league has no players or only one suspended and your team has six it does add "a little perspective"

But we're not hearing a peep about Denver and NYG (with one less suspension each) are we? Until this Irvin suspension all you heard about was Seattle when two others had just as many suspensions.

It's obviously a conspiracy against your team.

/farking Seattle fans
//instead of the conspiracy angle how bout just say "I don't care if my team cheats, I only care if I can make fun of your team for cheating", much more honest; much less self righteous and pathetically homerrific
///also it is cheating, even if "everyone" else is doing it...personally I don't care about PEDs, I hope my team is doing them and getting away with it, but to pretend it isn't against the rules because you totally know everyone is doing it, well that's sliding right back into that sad butthurt Seattle fans are famous for


I never said 95% of the words you just put in my mouth. I agree with you that using substance banned by the league is cheating. I do care if my team is doing them. I just think that when you only ever hear about Seattle cheating, when half the league has had player suspended and a quarter has had multiple players suspended, is disingenuous.

I never said there was a conspiracy against the Seahawks; I just made note that the only NFL articles regarding PED suspensions we seem to see here are trolly Seahawk ones. If I had asked you before today which three teams were tied atop the list of teams with the most PED suspensions, the vast majority of people would say "Seattle and, uh..."

You certainly wouldn't have heard a peep about those noted cheaters, Tom Coughlin and John Fox.

I hate that the Seahawks top that list, but I prefer to keep it in perspective - half the league has had players suspended for PED use the last few years. Let's not pretend Seattle is some kind of outlier here.
 
2013-05-20 01:35:47 PM  

seumasokelly: I hate that the Seahawks top that list, but I prefer to keep it in perspective - half the league has had players suspended for PED use the last few years. Let's not pretend Seattle is some kind of outlier here

 
2013-05-20 01:37:44 PM  

On the Side: Is that one plus two plus one plus one or was it one plus one plus 2 plus one?


Either.  Both.   SHUT UP!
 
2013-05-20 01:38:50 PM  

seumasokelly: Feign outrage all you want about how an ADD drug taken by children all over the country is somehow affecting the purity of NFL football and Pete Carroll is the #1 pusher. The fact is they've got one more suspension over the last few years than the next two teams behind them. Whoopty frigging doo.


I don't disagree, but speaking as a Pats fan who still takes shots for spygate (even though I personally never tried to rationalize it as anything other than "something really bad and indefensible we got caught for"), you're better off just letting haters hate on some things.
 
2013-05-20 01:39:39 PM  

PowerSlacker: seumasokelly: I hate that the Seahawks top that list, but I prefer to keep it in perspective - half the league has had players suspended for PED use the last few years. Let's not pretend Seattle is some kind of outlier here


If you don't know what a word means, look it up.
 
2013-05-20 01:42:07 PM  

seumasokelly: I hate that the Seahawks top that list, but I prefer to keep it in perspective - half the league has had players suspended for PED use the last few years. Let's not pretend Seattle is some kind of outlier here.


lh3.googleusercontent.com
 
2013-05-20 01:42:50 PM  

Killer Cars: seumasokelly: Feign outrage all you want about how an ADD drug taken by children all over the country is somehow affecting the purity of NFL football and Pete Carroll is the #1 pusher. The fact is they've got one more suspension over the last few years than the next two teams behind them. Whoopty frigging doo.

I don't disagree, but speaking as a Pats fan who still takes shots for spygate (even though I personally never tried to rationalize it as anything other than "something really bad and indefensible we got caught for"), you're better off just letting haters hate on some things.


The Seahawks bring it on themselves by being loud. I'm not defending the behavior, I'm just pointing out that it's dumb we only ever hear about the Seahawks testing positive when the half the league has the same problem. People came after the Pats due to a tradition of success that they desperately wanted to explain away as the direct result of cheating. Hopefully the Seahawks will attain that level soon.
 
2013-05-20 01:46:31 PM  

PowerSlacker: That link just told me that we need a pro version of the Fulmer Cup.

Then again, could anyone else even compete with Oakland and Cincinnati?


So you see Oakland at the bottom with 0 and lump them in with the criminals that play in Cincy? I suppose it would suprise you to learn  that the Raiders are only mid-pack in arrests since 2000? I know farkers can never tell the difference between perception and reality but the real thugs in the AFC West are the Denver Broncos who can't lay off the PEDs or stay out of jail.
 
2013-05-20 01:49:35 PM  

the1hatman: PowerSlacker: That link just told me that we need a pro version of the Fulmer Cup.

Then again, could anyone else even compete with Oakland and Cincinnati?

So you see Oakland at the bottom with 0 and lump them in with the criminals that play in Cincy? I suppose it would suprise you to learn  that the Raiders are only mid-pack in arrests since 2000? I know farkers can never tell the difference between perception and reality but the real thugs in the AFC West are the Denver Broncos who can't lay off the PEDs or stay out of jail.


Well, the Chiefs did have that one guy too.

And whatever Philip Rivers is doing in SD should be considered a crime.
 
2013-05-20 01:50:57 PM  

Killer Cars: seumasokelly: Feign outrage all you want about how an ADD drug taken by children all over the country is somehow affecting the purity of NFL football and Pete Carroll is the #1 pusher. The fact is they've got one more suspension over the last few years than the next two teams behind them. Whoopty frigging doo.

I don't disagree, but speaking as a Pats fan who still takes shots for spygate (even though I personally never tried to rationalize it as anything other than "something really bad and indefensible we got caught for"), you're better off just letting haters hate on some things.


Which is the right thing to do.  I never thought spygate was that big a deal, but it was fun to use to make fun of Pats fans for that year or so before they stopped getting all riled up about it.  It was fun only because a team that was so dominant had something stupid and unnecessary to hide.

But when was the last time that Seahawks were caught breaking the rules and the fans and organization didn't try to point the finger at everyone else?
 
2013-05-20 01:59:22 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Killer Cars: seumasokelly: Feign outrage all you want about how an ADD drug taken by children all over the country is somehow affecting the purity of NFL football and Pete Carroll is the #1 pusher. The fact is they've got one more suspension over the last few years than the next two teams behind them. Whoopty frigging doo.

I don't disagree, but speaking as a Pats fan who still takes shots for spygate (even though I personally never tried to rationalize it as anything other than "something really bad and indefensible we got caught for"), you're better off just letting haters hate on some things.

Which is the right thing to do.  I never thought spygate was that big a deal, but it was fun to use to make fun of Pats fans for that year or so before they stopped getting all riled up about it.  It was fun only because a team that was so dominant had something stupid and unnecessary to hide.

But when was the last time that Seahawks were caught breaking the rules and the fans and organization didn't try to point the finger at everyone else?


Organization? I've been trying to make the point here that Seattle is not the only offender on the PED front, and that has been perceived as a lazy homer whitewashing his team's drug problem, but the organization has never blamed anyone else for these suspensions. Sherman appealed his and won, but the organization had nothing to do with that unless you want to include encouraging Browner to take his suspension immediately instead of appealing on the same grounds, as it seems he should have.
 
2013-05-20 02:00:52 PM  

seumasokelly: Organization? I've been trying to make the point here that Seattle is not the only offender on the PED front, and that has been perceived as a lazy homer whitewashing his team's drug problem, but the organization has never blamed anyone else for these suspensions. Sherman appealed his and won, but the organization had nothing to do with that unless you want to include encouraging Browner to take his suspension immediately instead of appealing on the same grounds, as it seems he should have.


It's okay, the rapist fan's just trolling.
 
2013-05-20 02:04:58 PM  

IAmRight: seumasokelly: Organization? I've been trying to make the point here that Seattle is not the only offender on the PED front, and that has been perceived as a lazy homer whitewashing his team's drug problem, but the organization has never blamed anyone else for these suspensions. Sherman appealed his and won, but the organization had nothing to do with that unless you want to include encouraging Browner to take his suspension immediately instead of appealing on the same grounds, as it seems he should have.

It's okay, the rapist fan's just trolling.


After your defense of Richard Sherman, who tested positive and was suspended only to have it overturned on a technicality, it's funny that you think that someone who has never even been tried for a crime is guilty.
 
2013-05-20 02:05:47 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: IAmRight: seumasokelly: Organization? I've been trying to make the point here that Seattle is not the only offender on the PED front, and that has been perceived as a lazy homer whitewashing his team's drug problem, but the organization has never blamed anyone else for these suspensions. Sherman appealed his and won, but the organization had nothing to do with that unless you want to include encouraging Browner to take his suspension immediately instead of appealing on the same grounds, as it seems he should have.

It's okay, the rapist fan's just trolling.

After your defense of Richard Sherman, who tested positive and was suspended only to have it overturned on a technicality, it's funny that you think that someone who has never even been tried for a crime is guilty.


Let's equate rape and taking adderall some more.
 
2013-05-20 02:08:23 PM  

seumasokelly: AdmirableSnackbar: IAmRight: seumasokelly: Organization? I've been trying to make the point here that Seattle is not the only offender on the PED front, and that has been perceived as a lazy homer whitewashing his team's drug problem, but the organization has never blamed anyone else for these suspensions. Sherman appealed his and won, but the organization had nothing to do with that unless you want to include encouraging Browner to take his suspension immediately instead of appealing on the same grounds, as it seems he should have.

It's okay, the rapist fan's just trolling.

After your defense of Richard Sherman, who tested positive and was suspended only to have it overturned on a technicality, it's funny that you think that someone who has never even been tried for a crime is guilty.

Let's equate rape and taking adderall some more.


Clenbuterol can have the same initial markings as adderal, just saying......
 
2013-05-20 02:09:23 PM  

seumasokelly: Well, the Chiefs did have that one guy too.

And whatever Philip Rivers is doing in SD should be considered a crime.


Even as a Raiders fan I have never understood all the hate for Rivers. Seems like a harmless goof to me. As for the shootings in KC I think that was just one guy with issues more than any teamwide problem even though the Chefs rank pretty high on the arrest list as well. Maybe they need more Snickers?
 
2013-05-20 02:11:35 PM  

seumasokelly: AdmirableSnackbar: IAmRight: seumasokelly: Organization? I've been trying to make the point here that Seattle is not the only offender on the PED front, and that has been perceived as a lazy homer whitewashing his team's drug problem, but the organization has never blamed anyone else for these suspensions. Sherman appealed his and won, but the organization had nothing to do with that unless you want to include encouraging Browner to take his suspension immediately instead of appealing on the same grounds, as it seems he should have.

It's okay, the rapist fan's just trolling.

After your defense of Richard Sherman, who tested positive and was suspended only to have it overturned on a technicality, it's funny that you think that someone who has never even been tried for a crime is guilty.

Let's equate rape and taking adderall some more.


Anything to get away from the topic of the thread, amirite?
 
2013-05-20 02:12:14 PM  

seumasokelly: Killer Cars: seumasokelly: Feign outrage all you want about how an ADD drug taken by children all over the country is somehow affecting the purity of NFL football and Pete Carroll is the #1 pusher. The fact is they've got one more suspension over the last few years than the next two teams behind them. Whoopty frigging doo.

I don't disagree, but speaking as a Pats fan who still takes shots for spygate (even though I personally never tried to rationalize it as anything other than "something really bad and indefensible we got caught for"), you're better off just letting haters hate on some things.

The Seahawks bring it on themselves by being loud. I'm not defending the behavior, I'm just pointing out that it's dumb we only ever hear about the Seahawks testing positive when the half the league has the same problem. People came after the Pats due to a tradition of success that they desperately wanted to explain away as the direct result of cheating. Hopefully the Seahawks will attain that level soon.



Or it might have been that the Patriots had never won a Super Bowl, then started winning a lot, and we later found out they were cheating the entire time they were winning titles.

Refresh my memory, how many Super Bowls have they won since they got caught cheating?
 
2013-05-20 02:12:21 PM  

IAmRight: Guess we should do a better job of masking it, like the 49ers.

/anyone who believes any team has no players who have taken banned substances in the past three years is dumber than Goodell


Lolz. Seadderall Seahwaks fans are so adorable. Peter Carroll ran the dirtiest program in college football when he was at USC, and it now appears that he is running the dirtiest program in the NFL, as well.

Carroll is a slimy, smug, dickhead. Total greaseball.
 
2013-05-20 02:14:00 PM  

vladimpaler: seumasokelly: Killer Cars: seumasokelly: Feign outrage all you want about how an ADD drug taken by children all over the country is somehow affecting the purity of NFL football and Pete Carroll is the #1 pusher. The fact is they've got one more suspension over the last few years than the next two teams behind them. Whoopty frigging doo.

I don't disagree, but speaking as a Pats fan who still takes shots for spygate (even though I personally never tried to rationalize it as anything other than "something really bad and indefensible we got caught for"), you're better off just letting haters hate on some things.

The Seahawks bring it on themselves by being loud. I'm not defending the behavior, I'm just pointing out that it's dumb we only ever hear about the Seahawks testing positive when the half the league has the same problem. People came after the Pats due to a tradition of success that they desperately wanted to explain away as the direct result of cheating. Hopefully the Seahawks will attain that level soon.


Or it might have been that the Patriots had never won a Super Bowl, then started winning a lot, and we later found out they were cheating the entire time they were winning titles.

Refresh my memory, how many Super Bowls have they won since they got caught cheating?


I guess that whole 16-0 season was the result of ... well, I don't know.  I'm sure we can blame it on something, dammit!

\every team did that at the time
\\only difference was that Mangini cornered the NFL
 
2013-05-20 02:16:32 PM  

steamingpile: seumasokelly: AdmirableSnackbar: IAmRight: seumasokelly: Organization? I've been trying to make the point here that Seattle is not the only offender on the PED front, and that has been perceived as a lazy homer whitewashing his team's drug problem, but the organization has never blamed anyone else for these suspensions. Sherman appealed his and won, but the organization had nothing to do with that unless you want to include encouraging Browner to take his suspension immediately instead of appealing on the same grounds, as it seems he should have.

It's okay, the rapist fan's just trolling.

After your defense of Richard Sherman, who tested positive and was suspended only to have it overturned on a technicality, it's funny that you think that someone who has never even been tried for a crime is guilty.

Let's equate rape and taking adderall some more.

Clenbuterol can have the same initial markings as adderal, just saying......


The fact is, we'll never know. The NFL doesn't release the particulars of what drug players tested positive for, so the player can say anything they want. You really have no choice but to take the player at his word if you want to try to talk specifics of a certain case. It seems more likely than for other guys, based on the type of player Browner and Sherman are, that it could be one of your classic anabolics. Both are quite large and muscular for their position and play a physical style that would be helped by steroids - especially when you consider that Browner is fighting tooth and nail to make the league and keep his job and Sherman is playing for that lucrative 2nd contract that makes or breaks your need to sell insurance after retirement.

If we want to talk specifics of their situations, the only thing we've heard from anyone is adderall, but there's a distinct possiblity it was something else. Just like everyone else who's tested positive.

To be fair to both players though, the reason they are Seahawks is because they were freak athletes to begin with.
 
2013-05-20 02:21:39 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: seumasokelly: AdmirableSnackbar: IAmRight: seumasokelly: Organization? I've been trying to make the point here that Seattle is not the only offender on the PED front, and that has been perceived as a lazy homer whitewashing his team's drug problem, but the organization has never blamed anyone else for these suspensions. Sherman appealed his and won, but the organization had nothing to do with that unless you want to include encouraging Browner to take his suspension immediately instead of appealing on the same grounds, as it seems he should have.

It's okay, the rapist fan's just trolling.

After your defense of Richard Sherman, who tested positive and was suspended only to have it overturned on a technicality, it's funny that you think that someone who has never even been tried for a crime is guilty.

Let's equate rape and taking adderall some more.

Anything to get away from the topic of the thread, amirite?


I think that if you pull your head out, you'll notice that I've been more than willing to discuss it.
 
2013-05-20 02:26:14 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: vladimpaler: seumasokelly: Killer Cars: seumasokelly: Feign outrage all you want about how an ADD drug taken by children all over the country is somehow affecting the purity of NFL football and Pete Carroll is the #1 pusher. The fact is they've got one more suspension over the last few years than the next two teams behind them. Whoopty frigging doo.

I don't disagree, but speaking as a Pats fan who still takes shots for spygate (even though I personally never tried to rationalize it as anything other than "something really bad and indefensible we got caught for"), you're better off just letting haters hate on some things.

The Seahawks bring it on themselves by being loud. I'm not defending the behavior, I'm just pointing out that it's dumb we only ever hear about the Seahawks testing positive when the half the league has the same problem. People came after the Pats due to a tradition of success that they desperately wanted to explain away as the direct result of cheating. Hopefully the Seahawks will attain that level soon.


Or it might have been that the Patriots had never won a Super Bowl, then started winning a lot, and we later found out they were cheating the entire time they were winning titles.

Refresh my memory, how many Super Bowls have they won since they got caught cheating?

I guess that whole 16-0 season was the result of ... well, I don't know.  I'm sure we can blame it on something, dammit!

\every team did that at the time

***CITATION NEEDED***

\\only difference was that Mangini cornered the NFL



I remember the Super Bowl they won that year...Oh wait, they didn't.  They didn't get the last second field goal after a drive where they called the perfect play time after time or the defensive stop where it seemed they knew exactly what play the offense was going to run.  I wonder what happened.
 
2013-05-20 02:29:48 PM  

seumasokelly: AdmirableSnackbar: seumasokelly: AdmirableSnackbar: IAmRight: seumasokelly: Organization? I've been trying to make the point here that Seattle is not the only offender on the PED front, and that has been perceived as a lazy homer whitewashing his team's drug problem, but the organization has never blamed anyone else for these suspensions. Sherman appealed his and won, but the organization had nothing to do with that unless you want to include encouraging Browner to take his suspension immediately instead of appealing on the same grounds, as it seems he should have.

It's okay, the rapist fan's just trolling.

After your defense of Richard Sherman, who tested positive and was suspended only to have it overturned on a technicality, it's funny that you think that someone who has never even been tried for a crime is guilty.

Let's equate rape and taking adderall some more.

Anything to get away from the topic of the thread, amirite?

I think that if you pull your head out, you'll notice that I've been more than willing to discuss it.


If by "discuss" you mean attempt to deflect criticism of your team rather than own up to it, I've noticed.
 
2013-05-20 02:31:32 PM  

vladimpaler: whizbangthedirtfarmer: vladimpaler: seumasokelly: Killer Cars: seumasokelly: Feign outrage all you want about how an ADD drug taken by children all over the country is somehow affecting the purity of NFL football and Pete Carroll is the #1 pusher. The fact is they've got one more suspension over the last few years than the next two teams behind them. Whoopty frigging doo.

I don't disagree, but speaking as a Pats fan who still takes shots for spygate (even though I personally never tried to rationalize it as anything other than "something really bad and indefensible we got caught for"), you're better off just letting haters hate on some things.

The Seahawks bring it on themselves by being loud. I'm not defending the behavior, I'm just pointing out that it's dumb we only ever hear about the Seahawks testing positive when the half the league has the same problem. People came after the Pats due to a tradition of success that they desperately wanted to explain away as the direct result of cheating. Hopefully the Seahawks will attain that level soon.


Or it might have been that the Patriots had never won a Super Bowl, then started winning a lot, and we later found out they were cheating the entire time they were winning titles.

Refresh my memory, how many Super Bowls have they won since they got caught cheating?

I guess that whole 16-0 season was the result of ... well, I don't know.  I'm sure we can blame it on something, dammit!

\every team did that at the time

***CITATION NEEDED***

\\only difference was that Mangini cornered the NFL


I remember the Super Bowl they won that year...Oh wait, they didn't.  They didn't get the last second field goal after a drive where they called the perfect play time after time or the defensive stop where it seemed they knew exactly what play the offense was going to run.  I wonder what happened.


You just keep farking that chicken.  SI ran several articles in the 90s and early 2000s about teams employing their third or second string QB to try to "catch" signals with binoculars.  Haven't you wondered why coaches work so hard to cover their lips when they call plays?  Same deal with videorecording.  Mangini was pissed at his exit from NE, and so basically told the NFL: do something to the Pats, or I'll turn all of this over to the media without any explanation.

And you are seriously going to argue that the team managed to go 16-0 during the year, and then only go to the mythical tapes when they went to the final drive of the Super Bowl?  What, were the tapes all melted in the heat until the very end?  I would guess "what happened" is that the team did its work in practice.  Hell, you can see top-quality teams completely call the opposing team's play from a distance several times a game.  It's called "practice."

\not a game, not a game
 
2013-05-20 02:32:24 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: seumasokelly: AdmirableSnackbar: seumasokelly: AdmirableSnackbar: IAmRight: seumasokelly: Organization? I've been trying to make the point here that Seattle is not the only offender on the PED front, and that has been perceived as a lazy homer whitewashing his team's drug problem, but the organization has never blamed anyone else for these suspensions. Sherman appealed his and won, but the organization had nothing to do with that unless you want to include encouraging Browner to take his suspension immediately instead of appealing on the same grounds, as it seems he should have.

It's okay, the rapist fan's just trolling.

After your defense of Richard Sherman, who tested positive and was suspended only to have it overturned on a technicality, it's funny that you think that someone who has never even been tried for a crime is guilty.

Let's equate rape and taking adderall some more.

Anything to get away from the topic of the thread, amirite?

I think that if you pull your head out, you'll notice that I've been more than willing to discuss it.

If by "discuss" you mean attempt to deflect criticism of your team rather than own up to it, I've noticed.


A) I have nothing to own up to. Wait. I took Adderall once when I was 18. It was fun.

B) Kinda like that whole "Big Ben raped a drunk girl in the bathroom" thing.
 
2013-05-20 02:40:28 PM  

seumasokelly: AdmirableSnackbar: seumasokelly: AdmirableSnackbar: seumasokelly: AdmirableSnackbar: IAmRight: seumasokelly: Organization? I've been trying to make the point here that Seattle is not the only offender on the PED front, and that has been perceived as a lazy homer whitewashing his team's drug problem, but the organization has never blamed anyone else for these suspensions. Sherman appealed his and won, but the organization had nothing to do with that unless you want to include encouraging Browner to take his suspension immediately instead of appealing on the same grounds, as it seems he should have.

It's okay, the rapist fan's just trolling.

After your defense of Richard Sherman, who tested positive and was suspended only to have it overturned on a technicality, it's funny that you think that someone who has never even been tried for a crime is guilty.

Let's equate rape and taking adderall some more.

Anything to get away from the topic of the thread, amirite?

I think that if you pull your head out, you'll notice that I've been more than willing to discuss it.

If by "discuss" you mean attempt to deflect criticism of your team rather than own up to it, I've noticed.

A) I have nothing to own up to. Wait. I took Adderall once when I was 18. It was fun.

B) Kinda like that whole "Big Ben raped a drunk girl in the bathroom" thing.


What I'm saying is that maybe you shouldn't whine about other teams also getting players suspended when Seahawks have tested positive for PEDs at a rate 50% higher than any other team.  Because the thread is about the fact that the Seahawks have a disproportionate amount of players who have tested positive for PEDs.  And I thought we weren't equating taking adderall to rape?  Must be another Seahawks fan thing, since you guys keep doing that too.
 
2013-05-20 02:43:06 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: vladimpaler: whizbangthedirtfarmer: vladimpaler: seumasokelly: Killer Cars: seumasokelly: Feign outrage all you want about how an ADD drug taken by children all over the country is somehow affecting the purity of NFL football and Pete Carroll is the #1 pusher. The fact is they've got one more suspension over the last few years than the next two teams behind them. Whoopty frigging doo.

I don't disagree, but speaking as a Pats fan who still takes shots for spygate (even though I personally never tried to rationalize it as anything other than "something really bad and indefensible we got caught for"), you're better off just letting haters hate on some things.

The Seahawks bring it on themselves by being loud. I'm not defending the behavior, I'm just pointing out that it's dumb we only ever hear about the Seahawks testing positive when the half the league has the same problem. People came after the Pats due to a tradition of success that they desperately wanted to explain away as the direct result of cheating. Hopefully the Seahawks will attain that level soon.


Or it might have been that the Patriots had never won a Super Bowl, then started winning a lot, and we later found out they were cheating the entire time they were winning titles.

Refresh my memory, how many Super Bowls have they won since they got caught cheating?

I guess that whole 16-0 season was the result of ... well, I don't know.  I'm sure we can blame it on something, dammit!

\every team did that at the time

***CITATION NEEDED***

\\only difference was that Mangini cornered the NFL


I remember the Super Bowl they won that year...Oh wait, they didn't.  They didn't get the last second field goal after a drive where they called the perfect play time after time or the defensive stop where it seemed they knew exactly what play the offense was going to run.  I wonder what happened.

You just keep farking that chicken.  SI ran several articles in the 90s and early 2000s about teams employing their third ...



Or...Mangini knew how effective the tapes were and decided he was not going to be Bill's biatch during his Jet career, so he turned him in to get the NFL to enforce their rules.
Who else taped?  Name one coach or team and provide evidence (still waiting for one example during that time period besides the Patriots).

Argue this - three titles while taping, none since (despite having a better regular season record).  Did Brady suddenly become a worse quarterback after January?  Did Bill forget how to coach in the playoffs?

Come on, with tapes Belichick was Vince Lombardi, without them he's Andy Reid.  What's the reason if not the tapes were a help?
 
2013-05-20 02:52:22 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: seumasokelly: AdmirableSnackbar: seumasokelly: AdmirableSnackbar: seumasokelly: AdmirableSnackbar: IAmRight: seumasokelly: Organization? I've been trying to make the point here that Seattle is not the only offender on the PED front, and that has been perceived as a lazy homer whitewashing his team's drug problem, but the organization has never blamed anyone else for these suspensions. Sherman appealed his and won, but the organization had nothing to do with that unless you want to include encouraging Browner to take his suspension immediately instead of appealing on the same grounds, as it seems he should have.

It's okay, the rapist fan's just trolling.

After your defense of Richard Sherman, who tested positive and was suspended only to have it overturned on a technicality, it's funny that you think that someone who has never even been tried for a crime is guilty.

Let's equate rape and taking adderall some more.

Anything to get away from the topic of the thread, amirite?

I think that if you pull your head out, you'll notice that I've been more than willing to discuss it.

If by "discuss" you mean attempt to deflect criticism of your team rather than own up to it, I've noticed.

A) I have nothing to own up to. Wait. I took Adderall once when I was 18. It was fun.

B) Kinda like that whole "Big Ben raped a drunk girl in the bathroom" thing.

What I'm saying is that maybe you shouldn't whine about other teams also getting players suspended when Seahawks have tested positive for PEDs at a rate 50% higher than any other team.  Because the thread is about the fact that the Seahawks have a disproportionate amount of players who have tested positive for PEDs.  And I thought we weren't equating taking adderall to rape?  Must be another Seahawks fan thing, since you guys keep doing that too.


I was just pointing out that that's what you did with the criticism of Rapey Ben. Also, you started it neener neener.
 
2013-05-20 02:59:56 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: What I'm saying is that maybe you shouldn't whine about other teams also getting players suspended when Seahawks have tested positive for PEDs at a rate 50% higher than any other team.


Well, we've already seen that they send a crack crew of multiple-time f*ckups to test at least one of our athletes. The NFL sure is known for its consistency in enforcement of rules, though, so I'm sure there's a lot to be worried about.

Why Would I Read the Article: Peter Carroll ran the dirtiest program in college football when he was at USC


How was it dirty? By having players get paid and not being in the SEC? It's kinda silly to expect a coach to track 100 or so players in the greater LA area and ensure none of 'em are getting any benefits on the side.

Especially when other programs are allowed to cheat all they want and not get punished or get punished far less.

AdmirableSnackbar: After your defense of Richard Sherman, who tested positive and was suspended only to have it overturned on a technicality, it's funny that you think that someone who has never even been tried for a crime is guilty.


Well, in one case the guy was called guilty in advance by authorities who followed illegal procedures to create a negative result. In the other case, one guy was declared not guilty by authorities who refused to acknowledge a woman's rape claim because the perpetrator was famous and a friend of the cop. So yeah, totally similar situations.

To make it comparable to your defense of a serial rapist, Sherman would have had to actually tested positive, but the guy who took the test threw out the sample and replaced it with his own so Sherman wouldn't get in trouble.
 
2013-05-20 03:03:26 PM  

seumasokelly: AdmirableSnackbar: seumasokelly: AdmirableSnackbar: seumasokelly: AdmirableSnackbar: seumasokelly: AdmirableSnackbar: IAmRight: seumasokelly: Organization? I've been trying to make the point here that Seattle is not the only offender on the PED front, and that has been perceived as a lazy homer whitewashing his team's drug problem, but the organization has never blamed anyone else for these suspensions. Sherman appealed his and won, but the organization had nothing to do with that unless you want to include encouraging Browner to take his suspension immediately instead of appealing on the same grounds, as it seems he should have.

It's okay, the rapist fan's just trolling.

After your defense of Richard Sherman, who tested positive and was suspended only to have it overturned on a technicality, it's funny that you think that someone who has never even been tried for a crime is guilty.

Let's equate rape and taking adderall some more.

Anything to get away from the topic of the thread, amirite?

I think that if you pull your head out, you'll notice that I've been more than willing to discuss it.

If by "discuss" you mean attempt to deflect criticism of your team rather than own up to it, I've noticed.

A) I have nothing to own up to. Wait. I took Adderall once when I was 18. It was fun.

B) Kinda like that whole "Big Ben raped a drunk girl in the bathroom" thing.

What I'm saying is that maybe you shouldn't whine about other teams also getting players suspended when Seahawks have tested positive for PEDs at a rate 50% higher than any other team.  Because the thread is about the fact that the Seahawks have a disproportionate amount of players who have tested positive for PEDs.  And I thought we weren't equating taking adderall to rape?  Must be another Seahawks fan thing, since you guys keep doing that too.

I was just pointing out that that's what you did with the criticism of Rapey Ben. Also, you started it neener neener.


No, that's not what I did, nor did I "start it".  You might want to look in the direction of your douchetastic partner IAmRight on that one.  I've never defended Roethlisberger because there is no defense for him.  I only noted that IAR has an interesting definition of guilt that changed depending on whether or not he supports the team of someone accused of breaking the law.
 
2013-05-20 03:04:16 PM  
This is fun. We should do this more often.

If you guys want - here's a freebie - Josh Portis (Seattle's 3rd string QB) was arrested for DUI a couple weeks ago, but the news just broke today. One of his blood samples tested under the limit, while the other was over, so we can talk about what constitutes a technicality there too.
 
2013-05-20 03:04:24 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: Peter Carroll ran the dirtiest program in college football when he was at USC


Dirtiest in the Pac 12 maybe.  But he has nothing on the SEC.
 
2013-05-20 03:04:42 PM  

vladimpaler: whizbangthedirtfarmer: vladimpaler: whizbangthedirtfarmer: vladimpaler: seumasokelly: Killer Cars: seumasokelly: Feign outrage all you want about how an ADD drug taken by children all over the country is somehow affecting the purity of NFL football and Pete Carroll is the #1 pusher. The fact is they've got one more suspension over the last few years than the next two teams behind them. Whoopty frigging doo.

I don't disagree, but speaking as a Pats fan who still takes shots for spygate (even though I personally never tried to rationalize it as anything other than "something really bad and indefensible we got caught for"), you're better off just letting haters hate on some things.

The Seahawks bring it on themselves by being loud. I'm not defending the behavior, I'm just pointing out that it's dumb we only ever hear about the Seahawks testing positive when the half the league has the same problem. People came after the Pats due to a tradition of success that they desperately wanted to explain away as the direct result of cheating. Hopefully the Seahawks will attain that level soon.


Or it might have been that the Patriots had never won a Super Bowl, then started winning a lot, and we later found out they were cheating the entire time they were winning titles.

Refresh my memory, how many Super Bowls have they won since they got caught cheating?

I guess that whole 16-0 season was the result of ... well, I don't know.  I'm sure we can blame it on something, dammit!

\every team did that at the time

***CITATION NEEDED***

\\only difference was that Mangini cornered the NFL


I remember the Super Bowl they won that year...Oh wait, they didn't.  They didn't get the last second field goal after a drive where they called the perfect play time after time or the defensive stop where it seemed they knew exactly what play the offense was going to run.  I wonder what happened.

You just keep farking that chicken.  SI ran several articles in the 90s and early 2000s about team ...


Hmmm...you know, I seem to think that Belichick is doing well, even without these tapesLike I said, every team engages in some sort of spying.  The only difference is that the Pats got caught with the tapes.
 
2013-05-20 03:06:45 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: IAmRight: seumasokelly: Organization? I've been trying to make the point here that Seattle is not the only offender on the PED front, and that has been perceived as a lazy homer whitewashing his team's drug problem, but the organization has never blamed anyone else for these suspensions. Sherman appealed his and won, but the organization had nothing to do with that unless you want to include encouraging Browner to take his suspension immediately instead of appealing on the same grounds, as it seems he should have.

It's okay, the rapist fan's just trolling.

After your defense of Richard Sherman, who tested positive and was suspended only to have it overturned on a technicality, it's funny that you think that someone who has never even been tried for a crime is guilty.


That's your version of the story.
 
2013-05-20 03:07:50 PM  

stappawho: Why Would I Read the Article: Peter Carroll ran the dirtiest program in college football when he was at USC

Dirtiest in the Pac 12 maybe.  But he has nothing on the SEC.


The ACC and The Carolina WayTM are trying to throw their hat in the ring too.
 
2013-05-20 03:09:01 PM  
Anyway, teams with most suspensions in that span:

Seahawks
Broncos
NY Giants
Patriots

...okay, I'm fine with doing things like those franchises.
 
2013-05-20 03:12:54 PM  

seumasokelly: steamingpile: seumasokelly: AdmirableSnackbar: IAmRight: seumasokelly: Organization? I've been trying to make the point here that Seattle is not the only offender on the PED front, and that has been perceived as a lazy homer whitewashing his team's drug problem, but the organization has never blamed anyone else for these suspensions. Sherman appealed his and won, but the organization had nothing to do with that unless you want to include encouraging Browner to take his suspension immediately instead of appealing on the same grounds, as it seems he should have.

It's okay, the rapist fan's just trolling.

After your defense of Richard Sherman, who tested positive and was suspended only to have it overturned on a technicality, it's funny that you think that someone who has never even been tried for a crime is guilty.

Let's equate rape and taking adderall some more.

Clenbuterol can have the same initial markings as adderal, just saying......

The fact is, we'll never know. The NFL doesn't release the particulars of what drug players tested positive for, so the player can say anything they want. You really have no choice but to take the player at his word if you want to try to talk specifics of a certain case. It seems more likely than for other guys, based on the type of player Browner and Sherman are, that it could be one of your classic anabolics. Both are quite large and muscular for their position and play a physical style that would be helped by steroids - especially when you consider that Browner is fighting tooth and nail to make the league and keep his job and Sherman is playing for that lucrative 2nd contract that makes or breaks your need to sell insurance after retirement.

If we want to talk specifics of their situations, the only thing we've heard from anyone is adderall, but there's a distinct possiblity it was something else. Just like everyone else who's tested positive.

To be fair to both players though, the reason they are Seahawks is because they were freak athletes to begin with.


Oh we know he used something illegal but got off on a technicality just like Braun.
 
2013-05-20 03:14:57 PM  

stappawho: Why Would I Read the Article: Peter Carroll ran the dirtiest program in college football when he was at USC

Dirtiest in the Pac 12 maybe.  But he has nothing on the SEC.


Yet more teams have had sanctions in the pac12 than the sec the past few years, but yet people still spew this BS.
 
2013-05-20 03:20:26 PM  

ancker: Maybe they should chat with Ray Lewis or Adrian Peterson to figure out how to not get caught.

Both had catastrophic injuries yet somehow seemed to recover an order or magnitude faster than the norm and perform better than they did before the injury.


Your hate for AD is getting tired.
 
2013-05-20 03:20:53 PM  

IAmRight: I'd rather have a good team that had a few guys who got caught than a sh*t team that everyone was "clean" on, since I don't have a hardon for the War on Drugs.


You should check out the documentary "Bigger, Stronger, Faster*"... its on Netflix, and if you Google it, appears you can watch it free at some places.

It gives a lot of rationale as to why it may be best to just let players use PED's.  And busts a lot of myths about 'roids.

No matter your stance, its totally worth watching.  It changed my mind on a lot of things.

I still think cheating is cheating- rules are rules and all.
 
2013-05-20 03:30:30 PM  

downstairs: IAmRight: I'd rather have a good team that had a few guys who got caught than a sh*t team that everyone was "clean" on, since I don't have a hardon for the War on Drugs.

You should check out the documentary "Bigger, Stronger, Faster*"... its on Netflix, and if you Google it, appears you can watch it free at some places.

It gives a lot of rationale as to why it may be best to just let players use PED's.  And busts a lot of myths about 'roids.

No matter your stance, its totally worth watching.  It changed my mind on a lot of things.

I still think cheating is cheating- rules are rules and all.


I'm honestly not sure Adderall should be considered cheating.
 
2013-05-20 03:44:57 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: vladimpaler: whizbangthedirtfarmer: vladimpaler: whizbangthedirtfarmer: vladimpaler: seumasokelly: Killer Cars: seumasokelly: Feign outrage all you want about how an ADD drug taken by children all over the country is somehow affecting the purity of NFL football and Pete Carroll is the #1 pusher. The fact is they've got one more suspension over the last few years than the next two teams behind them. Whoopty frigging doo.

I don't disagree, but speaking as a Pats fan who still takes shots for spygate (even though I personally never tried to rationalize it as anything other than "something really bad and indefensible we got caught for"), you're better off just letting haters hate on some things.

The Seahawks bring it on themselves by being loud. I'm not defending the behavior, I'm just pointing out that it's dumb we only ever hear about the Seahawks testing positive when the half the league has the same problem. People came after the Pats due to a tradition of success that they desperately wanted to explain away as the direct result of cheating. Hopefully the Seahawks will attain that level soon.


Or it might have been that the Patriots had never won a Super Bowl, then started winning a lot, and we later found out they were cheating the entire time they were winning titles.

Refresh my memory, how many Super Bowls have they won since they got caught cheating?

I guess that whole 16-0 season was the result of ... well, I don't know.  I'm sure we can blame it on something, dammit!

\every team did that at the time

***CITATION NEEDED***

\\only difference was that Mangini cornered the NFL


I remember the Super Bowl they won that year...Oh wait, they didn't.  They didn't get the last second field goal after a drive where they called the perfect play time after time or the defensive stop where it seemed they knew exactly what play the offense was going to run.  I wonder what happened.

You just keep farking that chicken.  SI ran several articles in the 90s and early 200 ...


they (the pats) actually have a better regular season record, better completion %, more touchdowns, more offensive production, more interceptions, etc. since getting caught

unless they moved from using cameras to telekinesis, the effect whatever footage they had is about as overblown as 9/11 trutherisms

as for the whole "everybody cheats!" thing well... it's probably true, i mean for example if you went into a university and expelled everybody who cheated you wouldn't have a school anymore, i have a hard time believing that all these other sports are just as treacherous as the real world but somehow the NFL is this shining beacon of virginity and angelic behavior...

that said, Pete Carroll carries this stuff everywhere, i mean there's a difference between joe sixpack getting free internet and a mob boss, and Pete definitely comes across more like a mob boss
 
2013-05-20 03:48:17 PM  

the1hatman: PowerSlacker: That link just told me that we need a pro version of the Fulmer Cup.

Then again, could anyone else even compete with Oakland and Cincinnati?

So you see Oakland at the bottom with 0 and lump them in with the criminals that play in Cincy? I suppose it would suprise you to learn  that the Raiders are only mid-pack in arrests since 2000? I know farkers can never tell the difference between perception and reality but the real thugs in the AFC West are the Denver Broncos who can't lay off the PEDs or stay out of jail.


Just as the Seattle fans aren't happy with being called cheaters and Pats fans are sick of hearing about Spygate, some Cincinnati fans (by birth more than choice here) are sick of the criminal thing.  The Lions have been head and shoulders above the rest of the league in the last few years, but every time someone gets arrested the "hurr durr, I bet the Bengals will sign him" comments come flying.  The Lions had six people get arrested last year to Cincinnati's two, but no one seems to know or care.

/Still...please stay out of trouble AJ!
 
2013-05-20 03:57:24 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: vladimpaler: whizbangthedirtfarmer: vladimpaler: whizbangthedirtfarmer: vladimpaler: seumasokelly: Killer Cars: seumasokelly: Feign outrage all you want about how an ADD drug taken by children all over the country is somehow affecting the purity of NFL football and Pete Carroll is the #1 pusher. The fact is they've got one more suspension over the last few years than the next two teams behind them. Whoopty frigging doo.

I don't disagree, but speaking as a Pats fan who still takes shots for spygate (even though I personally never tried to rationalize it as anything other than "something really bad and indefensible we got caught for"), you're better off just letting haters hate on some things.

The Seahawks bring it on themselves by being loud. I'm not defending the behavior, I'm just pointing out that it's dumb we only ever hear about the Seahawks testing positive when the half the league has the same problem. People came after the Pats due to a tradition of success that they desperately wanted to explain away as the direct result of cheating. Hopefully the Seahawks will attain that level soon.


Or it might have been that the Patriots had never won a Super Bowl, then started winning a lot, and we later found out they were cheating the entire time they were winning titles.

Refresh my memory, how many Super Bowls have they won since they got caught cheating?

I guess that whole 16-0 season was the result of ... well, I don't know.  I'm sure we can blame it on something, dammit!

\every team did that at the time

***CITATION NEEDED***

\\only difference was that Mangini cornered the NFL


I remember the Super Bowl they won that year...Oh wait, they didn't.  They didn't get the last second field goal after a drive where they called the perfect play time after time or the defensive stop where it seemed they knew exactly what play the offense was going to run.  I wonder what happened.

You just keep farking that chicken.  SI ran several articles in the 90s and early 200 ...


From your post:

\every team did that at the time

From the article you linked to:


The NFL is full of legal spy tactics, but sources say only the Patriots are known to have used illegal videotaping procedures.

That is the problem.  No Patriot fan has ever stood up and said "Yeah, we cheated and we won.  So?"  It's always, "Everybody taped, we just got caught, but the 49ers and the Cowboys violated the salary cap in the 80s and 90s and the Steelers used steroids in the 70s (as did every other team before they were against the rules), so we're not that bad, and besides, the tapes didn't help anyway, we just did it for seven years to give people jobs".

Own your cheating, admit to the possibility the taping helped, and move on with your pathetic lives.
 
2013-05-20 04:02:15 PM  

RonwellQuincyDobbs: Just as the Seattle fans aren't happy with being called cheaters and Pats fans are sick of hearing about Spygate, some Cincinnati fans are sick of the criminal thing. The Lions have been head and shoulders above the rest of the league in the last few years, but every time someone gets arrested the "hurr durr, I bet the Bengals will sign him" comments come flying.


They do?  I think outside of Ohio they're too irrelevant to earn such derision.  I bet a good percentage of people aren't even aware Cincinnati has a team.
 
2013-05-20 04:05:42 PM  

spiderpaz: RonwellQuincyDobbs: Just as the Seattle fans aren't happy with being called cheaters and Pats fans are sick of hearing about Spygate, some Cincinnati fans are sick of the criminal thing. The Lions have been head and shoulders above the rest of the league in the last few years, but every time someone gets arrested the "hurr durr, I bet the Bengals will sign him" comments come flying.

They do?  I think outside of Ohio they're too irrelevant to earn such derision.  I bet a good percentage of people aren't even aware Cincinnati has a team.


That's hilarious.
 
2013-05-20 04:07:52 PM  

digistil: downstairs: IAmRight: I'd rather have a good team that had a few guys who got caught than a sh*t team that everyone was "clean" on, since I don't have a hardon for the War on Drugs.

You should check out the documentary "Bigger, Stronger, Faster*"... its on Netflix, and if you Google it, appears you can watch it free at some places.

It gives a lot of rationale as to why it may be best to just let players use PED's.  And busts a lot of myths about 'roids.

No matter your stance, its totally worth watching.  It changed my mind on a lot of things.

I still think cheating is cheating- rules are rules and all.

I'm honestly not sure Adderall should be considered cheating.


It's a tough call.  I'd say it isn't.  Being mentally focused may or may not help you win a football game.  Like praying.
 
2013-05-20 04:09:14 PM  

RonwellQuincyDobbs: the1hatman: PowerSlacker: That link just told me that we need a pro version of the Fulmer Cup.

Then again, could anyone else even compete with Oakland and Cincinnati?

So you see Oakland at the bottom with 0 and lump them in with the criminals that play in Cincy? I suppose it would suprise you to learn  that the Raiders are only mid-pack in arrests since 2000? I know farkers can never tell the difference between perception and reality but the real thugs in the AFC West are the Denver Broncos who can't lay off the PEDs or stay out of jail.

Just as the Seattle fans aren't happy with being called cheaters and Pats fans are sick of hearing about Spygate, some Cincinnati fans (by birth more than choice here) are sick of the criminal thing.  The Lions have been head and shoulders above the rest of the league in the last few years, but every time someone gets arrested the "hurr durr, I bet the Bengals will sign him" comments come flying.  The Lions had six people get arrested last year to Cincinnati's two, but no one seems to know or care.

/Still...please stay out of trouble AJ!


And much like the Seattle fans, that's just too bad because you still have to own it. Just like the Hawks have double the PED hits of most of the league's teams you guys still rank #2 on the arrest chart this century. Yea the Lions have had a tough couple of years but even with their mini crime spree they are still ranked in the bottom half of the league with half the # Cincy has. Maybe you guys really are on the way to cleaning out the thugs but untill then suck it up!

And next time compare them to the Vikings not the Lions. Would've made a lot more sense.
 
2013-05-20 04:11:55 PM  

ShiningWizard: RonwellQuincyDobbs: the1hatman: PowerSlacker: That link just told me that we need a pro version of the Fulmer Cup.

Then again, could anyone else even compete with Oakland and Cincinnati?

So you see Oakland at the bottom with 0 and lump them in with the criminals that play in Cincy? I suppose it would suprise you to learn  that the Raiders are only mid-pack in arrests since 2000? I know farkers can never tell the difference between perception and reality but the real thugs in the AFC West are the Denver Broncos who can't lay off the PEDs or stay out of jail.

Just as the Seattle fans aren't happy with being called cheaters and Pats fans are sick of hearing about Spygate, some Cincinnati fans (by birth more than choice here) are sick of the criminal thing.  The Lions have been head and shoulders above the rest of the league in the last few years, but every time someone gets arrested the "hurr durr, I bet the Bengals will sign him" comments come flying.  The Lions had six people get arrested last year to Cincinnati's two, but no one seems to know or care.

/Still...please stay out of trouble AJ!

And much like the Seattle fans, that's just too bad because you still have to own it. Just like the Hawks have double the PED hits of most of the league's teams you guys still rank #2 on the arrest chart this century. Yea the Lions have had a tough couple of years but even with their mini crime spree they are still ranked in the bottom half of the league with half the # Cincy has. Maybe you guys really are on the way to cleaning out the thugs but untill then suck it up!

And next time compare them to the Vikings not the Lions. Would've made a lot more sense.


The Vikings turned breaking the law into a team-building activity. They make it a higher artform.
 
2013-05-20 04:12:38 PM  

digistil: downstairs: IAmRight: I'd rather have a good team that had a few guys who got caught than a sh*t team that everyone was "clean" on, since I don't have a hardon for the War on Drugs.

You should check out the documentary "Bigger, Stronger, Faster*"... its on Netflix, and if you Google it, appears you can watch it free at some places.

It gives a lot of rationale as to why it may be best to just let players use PED's.  And busts a lot of myths about 'roids.

No matter your stance, its totally worth watching.  It changed my mind on a lot of things.

I still think cheating is cheating- rules are rules and all.

I'm honestly not sure Adderall should be considered cheating.


Wow, is that on the banned list?  I guess I should have RTFA.  That seems over-reaching on the part of the NFL to me.
 
2013-05-20 04:17:21 PM  

seumasokelly: ShiningWizard: RonwellQuincyDobbs: the1hatman: PowerSlacker: That link just told me that we need a pro version of the Fulmer Cup.

Then again, could anyone else even compete with Oakland and Cincinnati?

So you see Oakland at the bottom with 0 and lump them in with the criminals that play in Cincy? I suppose it would suprise you to learn  that the Raiders are only mid-pack in arrests since 2000? I know farkers can never tell the difference between perception and reality but the real thugs in the AFC West are the Denver Broncos who can't lay off the PEDs or stay out of jail.

Just as the Seattle fans aren't happy with being called cheaters and Pats fans are sick of hearing about Spygate, some Cincinnati fans (by birth more than choice here) are sick of the criminal thing.  The Lions have been head and shoulders above the rest of the league in the last few years, but every time someone gets arrested the "hurr durr, I bet the Bengals will sign him" comments come flying.  The Lions had six people get arrested last year to Cincinnati's two, but no one seems to know or care.

/Still...please stay out of trouble AJ!

And much like the Seattle fans, that's just too bad because you still have to own it. Just like the Hawks have double the PED hits of most of the league's teams you guys still rank #2 on the arrest chart this century. Yea the Lions have had a tough couple of years but even with their mini crime spree they are still ranked in the bottom half of the league with half the # Cincy has. Maybe you guys really are on the way to cleaning out the thugs but untill then suck it up!

And next time compare them to the Vikings not the Lions. Would've made a lot more sense.

The Vikings turned breaking the law into a team-building activity. They make it a higher artform.


On a boat, anything goes.  Because of, you know, the implications.
 
2013-05-20 04:35:35 PM  

vladimpaler: The NFL is full of legal spy tactics, but sources say only the Patriots are known to have used illegal videotaping procedures.

That is the problem.  No Patriot fan has ever stood up and said "Yeah, we cheated and we won.  So?"  It's always, "Everybody taped, we just got caught, but the 49ers and the Cowboys violated the salary cap in the 80s and 90s and the Steelers used steroids in the 70s (as did every other team before they were against the rules), so we're not that bad, and besides, the tapes didn't help anyway, we just did it for seven years to give people jobs".

Own your cheating, admit to the possibility the taping helped, and move on with your pathetic lives.


*shrugs* i'm not even a pats fan (still salty over them preventing us from getting to the super bowl when we had a real chance to make a second run for it) but i don't think the taping helped much, at the end of the day football games are decided on the field, no matter how much fair or unfair preparation you have or the other team has there's no excuses in the end
 
2013-05-20 04:37:53 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: vladimpaler: seumasokelly: Killer Cars: seumasokelly: Feign outrage all you want about how an ADD drug taken by children all over the country is somehow affecting the purity of NFL football and Pete Carroll is the #1 pusher. The fact is they've got one more suspension over the last few years than the next two teams behind them. Whoopty frigging doo.

I don't disagree, but speaking as a Pats fan who still takes shots for spygate (even though I personally never tried to rationalize it as anything other than "something really bad and indefensible we got caught for"), you're better off just letting haters hate on some things.

The Seahawks bring it on themselves by being loud. I'm not defending the behavior, I'm just pointing out that it's dumb we only ever hear about the Seahawks testing positive when the half the league has the same problem. People came after the Pats due to a tradition of success that they desperately wanted to explain away as the direct result of cheating. Hopefully the Seahawks will attain that level soon.


Or it might have been that the Patriots had never won a Super Bowl, then started winning a lot, and we later found out they were cheating the entire time they were winning titles.

Refresh my memory, how many Super Bowls have they won since they got caught cheating?

I guess that whole 16-0 season was the result of ... well, I don't know.  I'm sure we can blame it on something, dammit!

\every team did that at the time
\\only difference was that Mangini cornered the NFL


Lol, whatever helps you sleep at night.
 
2013-05-20 04:50:03 PM  

digistil: ancker: Maybe they should chat with Ray Lewis or Adrian Peterson to figure out how to not get caught.

Both had catastrophic injuries yet somehow seemed to recover an order or magnitude faster than the norm and perform better than they did before the injury.

Your hate for AD is getting tired.


My hate? I have never once posted about him. How is a single post getting 'tired'?
 
2013-05-20 04:51:05 PM  
All I've learned from this thread is that all sides are bad, so root Seahawks.
 
2013-05-20 04:59:57 PM  

vladimpaler: The NFL is full of legal spy tactics, but sources say only the Patriots are known to have used illegal videotaping procedures.

That is the problem.  No Patriot fan has ever stood up and said "Yeah, we cheated and we won.  So?"  It's always, "Everybody taped, we just got caught, but the 49ers and the Cowboys violated the salary cap in the 80s and 90s and the Steelers used steroids in the 70s (as did every other team before they were against the rules), so we're not that bad, and besides, the tapes didn't help anyway, we just did it for seven years to give people jobs".

Own your cheating, admit to the possibility the taping helped, and move on with your pathetic lives.


Jimmy Johnson has been quoted as saying several teams engage in the practices that the Patriots got in trouble for.  And Bill Cowher is on record saying the same thing as well as noting that he doesn't think the illegal taping had any role in the Patriots beating the Steelers during their early run of success.

The margins for victory and defeat are razor thin in the NFL.  Games are literally won and lost on single plays every week.  The fact that in the years since Spygate the Patriots have literally the most wins in the NFL speaks to the dominance of the program and the frivolous nature of the taping.  That the Patriots have not won a Super Bowl since then in simply an exercise in probability where high level championship games are a coin flip. They got heads three times in a row and two tails after that.
 
2013-05-20 05:11:04 PM  
Funniest thread in a long time.
 
2013-05-20 05:17:15 PM  

vladimpaler: Steelers used steroids in the 70s (as did every other team before they were against the rules)


How is Dr. Rydze?
 
2013-05-20 05:19:49 PM  

ShiningWizard: RonwellQuincyDobbs: the1hatman: PowerSlacker: That link just told me that we need a pro version of the Fulmer Cup.

Then again, could anyone else even compete with Oakland and Cincinnati?

So you see Oakland at the bottom with 0 and lump them in with the criminals that play in Cincy? I suppose it would suprise you to learn  that the Raiders are only mid-pack in arrests since 2000? I know farkers can never tell the difference between perception and reality but the real thugs in the AFC West are the Denver Broncos who can't lay off the PEDs or stay out of jail.

Just as the Seattle fans aren't happy with being called cheaters and Pats fans are sick of hearing about Spygate, some Cincinnati fans (by birth more than choice here) are sick of the criminal thing.  The Lions have been head and shoulders above the rest of the league in the last few years, but every time someone gets arrested the "hurr durr, I bet the Bengals will sign him" comments come flying.  The Lions had six people get arrested last year to Cincinnati's two, but no one seems to know or care.

/Still...please stay out of trouble AJ!

And much like the Seattle fans, that's just too bad because you still have to own it. Just like the Hawks have double the PED hits of most of the league's teams you guys still rank #2 on the arrest chart this century. Yea the Lions have had a tough couple of years but even with their mini crime spree they are still ranked in the bottom half of the league with half the # Cincy has. Maybe you guys really are on the way to cleaning out the thugs but untill then suck it up!

And next time compare them to the Vikings not the Lions. Would've made a lot more sense.


How so?  The Vikings had the most arrests in 2011, but the Lions have been leading the league since then with a whopping eight since the beginning of 2012, and that's not counting Titus Young.  I'm also not sure how going back 13 years makes much sense for today's team given a lot of factors, including turnover.  It doesn't take that long to get better at something, or in this case stop being awful at it.  Cincinnati absolutely earned their rep for most the 'oughts' and while the number arrests for them are still embarrassingly high, at least they've leveled out to around two per year which is pretty much league average.  The Bengals led the league in 2001 and 2006.  Denver, and I believe Atlanta have also done it twice since then.  I just think it's a case of perception more than reality.  Oh, well; keep those hysterical jokes coming.

/You'd probably be a criminal too if you worked for Mike Brown
 
2013-05-20 05:20:55 PM  

downstairs: digistil: downstairs: IAmRight: I'd rather have a good team that had a few guys who got caught than a sh*t team that everyone was "clean" on, since I don't have a hardon for the War on Drugs.

You should check out the documentary "Bigger, Stronger, Faster*"... its on Netflix, and if you Google it, appears you can watch it free at some places.

It gives a lot of rationale as to why it may be best to just let players use PED's.  And busts a lot of myths about 'roids.

No matter your stance, its totally worth watching.  It changed my mind on a lot of things.

I still think cheating is cheating- rules are rules and all.

I'm honestly not sure Adderall should be considered cheating.

Wow, is that on the banned list?  I guess I should have RTFA.  That seems over-reaching on the part of the NFL to me.


Adderall is pure speed. It's amphetamine salts with a fancy marketing campaign.

At the moment the NFL is more dirty than cycling. 4 weeks for a ped is a joke, nothing more than a PR exercise.
 
2013-05-20 05:27:18 PM  

downstairs: digistil: downstairs: IAmRight: I'd rather have a good team that had a few guys who got caught than a sh*t team that everyone was "clean" on, since I don't have a hardon for the War on Drugs.

You should check out the documentary "Bigger, Stronger, Faster*"... its on Netflix, and if you Google it, appears you can watch it free at some places.

It gives a lot of rationale as to why it may be best to just let players use PED's.  And busts a lot of myths about 'roids.

No matter your stance, its totally worth watching.  It changed my mind on a lot of things.

I still think cheating is cheating- rules are rules and all.

I'm honestly not sure Adderall should be considered cheating.

Wow, is that on the banned list?  I guess I should have RTFA.  That seems over-reaching on the part of the NFL to me.


It's only banned if you don't have a prescription for it.  You have to be pretty naive to think that so many players (Ty Sash, Jermaine Cunningham, Brandon Browner, Sherman, Brandon Spikes, Eric Wright, Joe Haden, Aqib Talib, Mike Neal, Austin Pettis, Weslye Saunders, etc) would risk getting a four game ban for something that they just need to clear with the league first.  Adderall is the go to excuse now but it isn't what these guys are being suspended for.
 
2013-05-20 05:29:03 PM  

ShiningWizard: Maybe you guys really are on the way to cleaning out the thugs but untill then suck it up!


DUI's and Adderall = Thugs

Okay then.
 
2013-05-20 05:30:15 PM  

ancker: digistil: ancker: Maybe they should chat with Ray Lewis or Adrian Peterson to figure out how to not get caught.

Both had catastrophic injuries yet somehow seemed to recover an order or magnitude faster than the norm and perform better than they did before the injury.

Your hate for AD is getting tired.

My hate? I have never once posted about him. How is a single post getting 'tired'?


If it's not you, it's someone with a very similar username that's been accusing him of PEDs and other forms of cheating for the last few years.
 
2013-05-20 05:47:22 PM  

ancker: Maybe they should chat with Ray Lewis or Adrian Peterson to figure out how to not get caught.

Both had catastrophic injuries yet somehow seemed to recover an order or magnitude faster than the norm and perform better than they did before the injury.


Well, according to Peterson, it's 'genetics.'  Otherwise known as the "my dad is almost 50 and he's still ripped" defense

o_0

I'm pretty sure your propensity to carry around less body fat has absolutely nothing to do with your ability to heal like freaking Wolverine.  Meth addicts have six packs, too, but that doesn't mean they can heal any faster than the average person.  In fact, super low body fat percentages have more disadvantages vs. advantages....outside of attracting women
 
2013-05-20 05:56:38 PM  

yelmrog: ShiningWizard: Maybe you guys really are on the way to cleaning out the thugs but untill then suck it up!

DUI's and Adderall = Thugs

Okay then.


If you believe those were only charges Bengal players faced in that time you need to read a little more.

Okay then indeed.
 
2013-05-20 06:15:00 PM  
The real sad thing is that subby had a good tongue-twister going there for about three words.
 
2013-05-20 06:23:13 PM  

ShiningWizard: yelmrog: ShiningWizard: Maybe you guys really are on the way to cleaning out the thugs but untill then suck it up!

DUI's and Adderall = Thugs

Okay then.

If you believe those were only charges Bengal players faced in that time you need to read a little more.

Okay then indeed.


haha, my bad, I thought you were referring to Seattle.
 
2013-05-20 06:23:22 PM  
Let me try again: the Sixth Seattle Seahawk to Sully the Seattle name Since Shawn alexander Smashed Seattle's record on Sunday night football.
 
2013-05-20 06:30:17 PM  

spiderpaz: Let me try again: the Sixth Seattle Seahawk to Sully the Seattle name Since Shawn alexander Smashed Seattle's record on Sunday night football.


Also, Sorry for the Sad Seattle Seahawk Submission IAmRight, but I thought you already Sent Several Superfluous Series of eSpcially Seattle Sausage Sucking Stories, So there
 
2013-05-20 06:37:50 PM  

beantowndog: vladimpaler: Steelers used steroids in the 70s (as did every other team before they were against the rules)

How is Dr. Rydze?


Which Steeler got drugs from him?  Name one, please.  Because I know you have information the federal government, the state governments of Florida and Pennsylvania, and the NFL missed in their five year investigation of the doctor.

The Patriots have a bigger history of PED cheating than the Steelers do.  No Steeler, on any of their record six (6) Super Bowl Championship teams, was ever found to be in violation of NFL rules or US laws in regard to PED use.  The Patriots had Rodney Harrison suspended after a Super Bowl win*.
 
2013-05-20 06:41:19 PM  
Is this the part where the Packers getting f*cked over by the refs totally makes up for that Super Bowl screw-job from a home-town head official?
 
2013-05-20 06:42:09 PM  

stevie1der: vladimpaler: The NFL is full of legal spy tactics, but sources say only the Patriots are known to have used illegal videotaping procedures.

That is the problem.  No Patriot fan has ever stood up and said "Yeah, we cheated and we won.  So?"  It's always, "Everybody taped, we just got caught, but the 49ers and the Cowboys violated the salary cap in the 80s and 90s and the Steelers used steroids in the 70s (as did every other team before they were against the rules), so we're not that bad, and besides, the tapes didn't help anyway, we just did it for seven years to give people jobs".

Own your cheating, admit to the possibility the taping helped, and move on with your pathetic lives.

Jimmy Johnson has been quoted as saying several teams engage in the practices that the Patriots got in trouble for.  And Bill Cowher is on record saying the same thing as well as noting that he doesn't think the illegal taping had any role in the Patriots beating the Steelers during their early run of success.

The margins for victory and defeat are razor thin in the NFL.  Games are literally won and lost on single plays every week.  The fact that in the years since Spygate the Patriots have literally the most wins in the NFL speaks to the dominance of the program and the frivolous nature of the taping.  That the Patriots have not won a Super Bowl since then in simply an exercise in probability where high level championship games are a coin flip. They got heads three times in a row and two tails after that.


They won 3 times in four years....and then, poof! Just...unlucky I guesses!

Cup them balls, boy. The Cheatriots like it that way.
 
2013-05-20 06:47:19 PM  
Oh damn, I should've read the thread... we're on Cheatriot talk, now.

It's clear as f*cking day that the Patriots spying HELPED them win the Super Bowl. I can't help but think that they were spying on the actual pre-SB practices of their opponents, though I mean, it doesn't matter when the liquored-up, idiot kicker boots the kickoff out of bounds.
 
2013-05-20 06:47:24 PM  
 
2013-05-20 07:06:30 PM  

needmorecowbell: The Redskins have 7 in the last 20 months...  http://bloggingthebeast.com/2013/03/21/in-the-last-20-months-7-redski n s-have-been-pinched-for-substance-abuse/  GO HAWKS!!!


 THIS !!

/ Go Hawks !!!
 
2013-05-20 07:13:00 PM  
I would just like to remind everyone that the Seahawks lost to Matt Ryan in the playoffs last year.

MATT.  RYAN.

They might not be anything more than the same old Seahawks.  Just sayin'
 
2013-05-20 07:34:32 PM  

FriarReb98: I would just like to remind everyone that the Seahawks lost to Matt Ryan in the playoffs last year.

MATT.  RYAN.

They might not be anything more than the same old Seahawks.  Just sayin'


You mean MATT. RYAN. and 44 other guys, too.

Just sayin
 
2013-05-20 07:37:20 PM  

xaks: stevie1der: vladimpaler: The NFL is full of legal spy tactics, but sources say only the Patriots are known to have used illegal videotaping procedures.

That is the problem.  No Patriot fan has ever stood up and said "Yeah, we cheated and we won.  So?"  It's always, "Everybody taped, we just got caught, but the 49ers and the Cowboys violated the salary cap in the 80s and 90s and the Steelers used steroids in the 70s (as did every other team before they were against the rules), so we're not that bad, and besides, the tapes didn't help anyway, we just did it for seven years to give people jobs".

Own your cheating, admit to the possibility the taping helped, and move on with your pathetic lives.

Jimmy Johnson has been quoted as saying several teams engage in the practices that the Patriots got in trouble for.  And Bill Cowher is on record saying the same thing as well as noting that he doesn't think the illegal taping had any role in the Patriots beating the Steelers during their early run of success.

The margins for victory and defeat are razor thin in the NFL.  Games are literally won and lost on single plays every week.  The fact that in the years since Spygate the Patriots have literally the most wins in the NFL speaks to the dominance of the program and the frivolous nature of the taping.  That the Patriots have not won a Super Bowl since then in simply an exercise in probability where high level championship games are a coin flip. They got heads three times in a row and two tails after that.

They won 3 times in four years....and then, poof! Just...unlucky I guesses!

Cup them balls, boy. The Cheatriots like it that way.


Again, after the "cheating," the Pats improved in almost every statistical category; they also posted a 16-0 season.  Youc an say, oh gee, they lost the SB, but it would be mighty difficult to say that a 16-0 season isn't an accomplishment that ranks with "unlucky."
 
2013-05-20 08:22:18 PM  

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I stopped giving a flying fark about PEDs during the height of the Barry Bonds drama. When I found myself trying to argue against it but couldn't come up with anything that didn't sound naive or disingenuous.
Ultimately I decided since it's all entertainment, why bother fighting it.
We pay to watch athletes put their bodies and lives on line, why not let them use something to enhance either their performance or healing or both.
"B-b-b-b-ut there's a good chance they'll suffer horrible injuries or die young from PEDs"
As I see it, it's same chance without it.
I'm honest with myself, when it comes to contact sports, I pay to watch people get irreparably damaged physically and in some cases horribly mangled or killed in athletic competition for my entertainment.
Sometimes those things also happen in non-contact sports too.
A little PED use is kinda silly to get all worked up about.

Anyhoo, here's some Sea Gals

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2013-05-20 08:39:42 PM  

seumasokelly: This is fun. We should do this more often.

If you guys want - here's a freebie - Josh Portis (Seattle's 3rd string QB) was arrested for DUI a couple weeks ago, but the news just broke today. One of his blood samples tested under the limit, while the other was over, so we can talk about what constitutes a technicality there too.


Because if you're rich you can get out of a dui, just ask Derek Lowe, also its not a MLB violation unless you do something that causes them to get involved.
 
2013-05-20 08:43:37 PM  

digistil: downstairs: IAmRight: I'd rather have a good team that had a few guys who got caught than a sh*t team that everyone was "clean" on, since I don't have a hardon for the War on Drugs.

You should check out the documentary "Bigger, Stronger, Faster*"... its on Netflix, and if you Google it, appears you can watch it free at some places.

It gives a lot of rationale as to why it may be best to just let players use PED's.  And busts a lot of myths about 'roids.

No matter your stance, its totally worth watching.  It changed my mind on a lot of things.

I still think cheating is cheating- rules are rules and all.

I'm honestly not sure Adderall should be considered cheating.


Its not cheating if you get clearance and that is not too hard to accomplish, seems some people are just lazy or think the rules don't apply.

Since adderal will help focus you then there is a reason why its banned, if you haven't taken it then you wouldn't realize what it does.
 
2013-05-20 08:43:47 PM  

seumasokelly: Bottom line, the Seahawks have more than their fair share of suspensions over the last few seasons, a whopping 5 out of over 100 players that have cycled through here. Obviously, that means Pete Carroll is a dirty cheater and Adderall is the only reason the Seahawks made the playoffs. Lets get a little perspective here though - 45 players who are not Seahawks have been suspended over the same time frame and I never saw any trolly headlines calling their coaches cheaters.

Feign outrage all you want about how an ADD drug taken by children all over the country is somehow affecting the purity of NFL football and Pete Carroll is the #1 pusher. The fact is they've got one more suspension over the last few years than the next two teams behind them. Whoopty frigging doo.


You really think he tested positive for adderall? That is adorable.

The NFL doesn't say what they tested positive for, so they pick the most innocent drug on the banned list.  Vast majority of players are juicing but aren't stupid enough to get caught.

And anyone who thinks the second cup made Sherman's piss test hot is an idiot. He got off on a technicality, ala Braun.
 
2013-05-20 08:53:38 PM  

machoprogrammer: seumasokelly: Bottom line, the Seahawks have more than their fair share of suspensions over the last few seasons, a whopping 5 out of over 100 players that have cycled through here. Obviously, that means Pete Carroll is a dirty cheater and Adderall is the only reason the Seahawks made the playoffs. Lets get a little perspective here though - 45 players who are not Seahawks have been suspended over the same time frame and I never saw any trolly headlines calling their coaches cheaters.

Feign outrage all you want about how an ADD drug taken by children all over the country is somehow affecting the purity of NFL football and Pete Carroll is the #1 pusher. The fact is they've got one more suspension over the last few years than the next two teams behind them. Whoopty frigging doo.

You really think he tested positive for adderall? That is adorable.

The NFL doesn't say what they tested positive for, so they pick the most innocent drug on the banned list.  Vast majority of players are juicing but aren't stupid enough to get caught.

And anyone who thinks the second cup made Sherman's piss test hot is an idiot. He got off on a technicality, ala Braun.


It's like I just made that point. Strange. I know, reading is hard sometimes.

No one is saying he tested positive because of the second cup, but to contend that flip flopping samples into new cups is a "technicality" is stupid. It's one of the most basic pieces of the test. If you start farking around with the cups, the whole thing is invalid.
 
2013-05-20 09:17:01 PM  
An important note is that the Seahawks are well known to sign/draft players with past character issues. Some work out, some are going to mess up again. Have enough of that type around and this is what you get. Not so much a reflection of the staff but more of the type of player they are willing to take a flyer on. It's a risk they are obviously willing to take.

There are plenty of high character guys on the team. It's a balancing act that at the moment doesn't have the desired outcome.
 
2013-05-20 09:25:02 PM  

seumasokelly: machoprogrammer: seumasokelly: Bottom line, the Seahawks have more than their fair share of suspensions over the last few seasons, a whopping 5 out of over 100 players that have cycled through here. Obviously, that means Pete Carroll is a dirty cheater and Adderall is the only reason the Seahawks made the playoffs. Lets get a little perspective here though - 45 players who are not Seahawks have been suspended over the same time frame and I never saw any trolly headlines calling their coaches cheaters.

Feign outrage all you want about how an ADD drug taken by children all over the country is somehow affecting the purity of NFL football and Pete Carroll is the #1 pusher. The fact is they've got one more suspension over the last few years than the next two teams behind them. Whoopty frigging doo.

You really think he tested positive for adderall? That is adorable.

The NFL doesn't say what they tested positive for, so they pick the most innocent drug on the banned list.  Vast majority of players are juicing but aren't stupid enough to get caught.

And anyone who thinks the second cup made Sherman's piss test hot is an idiot. He got off on a technicality, ala Braun.

It's like I just made that point. Strange. I know, reading is hard sometimes.

No one is saying he tested positive because of the second cup, but to contend that flip flopping samples into new cups is a "technicality" is stupid. It's one of the most basic pieces of the test. If you start farking around with the cups, the whole thing is invalid.


Oh I agree that it was good him and Braun got off. But it isn't like what they did is going to suddenly make the test show a positive, but since the chain of custody was broken in both cases, it is good they got off.

But Sherman didn't test positive for Adderall. I doubt any of them really did.
 
2013-05-20 10:14:39 PM  

vladimpaler: beantowndog: vladimpaler: Steelers used steroids in the 70s (as did every other team before they were against the rules)

How is Dr. Rydze?

Which Steeler got drugs from him? Name one, please.


Indeed.
 
2013-05-20 11:18:22 PM  

IAmRight: Guess we should do a better job of masking it, like the 49ers.

/anyone who believes any team has no players who have taken banned substances in the past three years is dumber than Goodell


I like that the Seahawks are now trying to compete with the rest of the cheaters in the NFL.

Doesn't bother me one bit.
 
2013-05-21 08:57:38 PM  

seumasokelly: This is fun. We should do this more often.

If you guys want - here's a freebie - Josh Portis (Seattle's 3rd string QB) was arrested for DUI a couple weeks ago, but the news just broke today. One of his blood samples tested under the limit, while the other was over, so we can talk about what constitutes a technicality there too.


You can be charged with DUI at any level. The limit simply establishes it as a per se offense.That's not a technicality.
 
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