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(International Business Times)   How five coins and a treasure map can rewrite Australia's history   (ibtimes.com) divider line 22
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2013-05-20 11:55:48 AM
So THAT's where I dropped my "ancient coins of Africa" collection. I've been looking everywhere for those.

Also, if you land somewhere and there are people there to greet you, you did not "discover" that place. Just saying.
 
2013-05-20 12:23:23 PM
Know who ELSE wanted to explore some uninhabited Wessels?

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2013-05-20 12:33:30 PM
I smell a Goonies sequel!
 
2013-05-20 12:35:55 PM
A new archaeological expedition may prove that the continent may have been discovered earlier than previously thought.

theburtonwire.com

You don't say.
 
2013-05-20 12:37:42 PM
nmrsnr:Also, if you land somewhere and there are people there to greet you, you did not "discover" that place. Just saying.

Sure they discovered it, if it's the first time your civilization has made contact with a landmass, then yes, you discovered it.

/I play Civilization, I know these things!!!
 
2013-05-20 12:39:16 PM

Sybarite: A new archaeological expedition may prove that the continent may have been discovered earlier than previously thought.



You don't say.


We all know that Australia was uninhibited until white people showed up. Aborigines only came about as white people were corrupted by the poisonous land.
 
2013-05-20 12:43:23 PM
It's not really discovered until the discovery is shared with the rest of the world.

The Chinese probably visited the Americas before 1492, but they didn't make a major impression and didn't crow about the new world. There isn't much to exploit in coastal Australia and the locals seem to have had little trading to take advantage of. So maybe some Arab sailors visited a thousand years ago, conducted a little trade but didn't leave a durable record, and then the aboriginal Australians didn't know what to do with the coins so they just left them in a hole somewhere.

Islamic sailors rocked the Indian Ocean like Phoenicians on a mission from Allah.
 
2013-05-20 12:47:25 PM
Do we really think some white guys got there before any Asian or African countries?
 
2013-05-20 12:48:58 PM

meat0918: Do we really think some white guys got there before any Asian or African countries people?



FTF pre-Nation State empires and other civilizations.
 
2013-05-20 01:01:20 PM

nmrsnr: Also, if you land somewhere and there are people there to greet you, you did not "discover" that place. Just saying.


But do they have a flag?  Dashed cunning of them.
 
2013-05-20 01:07:02 PM
Wait. FTFA "Four of the nine coins discovered belong to the Dutch East India Company."   So, the DEIC wasn't around 1,000 years ago, why do they assume that Africans brought the coins the other coins there 1,000 years ago? They're just that old, is all.
 
2013-05-20 01:26:01 PM
So it wasn't settled by convicts?
 
2013-05-20 01:31:17 PM
Considering that we are only now finding out about this contact, and there wasn't even so much as a Vinlandic mythology going on here...

I'm gonna say that this merits a paragraph, maybe two, in books mentioning Australian history. Not a rewrite.
 
2013-05-20 02:36:41 PM

wildcardjack: It's not really discovered until the discovery is shared with the rest of the world.

The Chinese probably visited the Americas before 1492, but they didn't make a major impression and didn't crow about the new world. There isn't much to exploit in coastal Australia and the locals seem to have had little trading to take advantage of. So maybe some Arab sailors visited a thousand years ago, conducted a little trade but didn't leave a durable record, and then the aboriginal Australians didn't know what to do with the coins so they just left them in a hole somewhere.

Islamic sailors rocked the Indian Ocean like Phoenicians on a mission from Allah.


That.

Yeah, Columbus didn't discover the New World.  (Vinland, the Chinese in the Pacific, probably some fishing boats who got blown off course by a storm).  But for better or for worse, he's the guy who kicked off the "Hey, there's this massive continent full of resources" thing between the 16th and 18th centuries.  So he gets some kudos.
 
2013-05-20 02:44:47 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Sybarite: A new archaeological expedition may prove that the continent may have been discovered earlier than previously thought.

You don't say.

We all know that Australia was uninhibited until white people showed up. Aborigines only came about as white people were corrupted by the poisonous land.


That's no way to talk about the society that invented the stick.
 
2013-05-20 02:48:40 PM
In In a Sunburned Country Bill Bryson mentions that Australia was discovered many times before Captain Cook, by people who promptly lost it again, or thought they had discovered a tiny island.
 
2013-05-20 03:21:23 PM

meyerkev: Yeah, Columbus didn't discover the New World.  (Vinland, the Chinese in the Pacific, probably some fishing boats who got blown off course by a storm).  But for better or for worse, he's the guy who kicked off the "Hey, there's this massive continent full of resources" thing between the 16th and 18th centuries.  So he gets some kudos.


Yeah, not to mention all those brown people who were so inconveniently here when he arrived. But...you're correct. Columbus  DID start the stampede, so gets the credit and the blame.
 
2013-05-20 03:57:11 PM

Sybarite: A new archaeological expedition may prove that the continent may have been discovered earlier than previously thought.

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You don't say.


I see that has been addressed

The coins just update the time when Europeans may have wandered onto the island.
 
2013-05-20 04:10:37 PM
Back then when coins were made of precious metals they would stay in circulation for a long,long time. They probably were just still in circulation.
 
2013-05-20 04:35:05 PM

Teknowaffle: Back then when coins were made of precious metals they would stay in circulation for a long,long time. They probably were just still in circulation.


I should add, still in circulation at the time they were dropped or buried by Dutch traders. Oddly, looking at it, they are copper coins. That is interesting.
 
2013-05-20 05:02:37 PM
Before modern banking, kangaroos used to bury coins soon after they discovered that two or more coins in their pouch would jingle with every hop. Also when the joey discovered the coins, he'd spend them on video games and bitcoins.

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2013-05-20 09:54:17 PM

meat0918: meat0918: Do we really think some white guys got there before any Asian or African countries people?


FTF pre-Nation State empires and other civilizations.


britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk
In the Arnhem Land (Northern Territory) at least, Makassan traders would trade with the local Aborigines.
 
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