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2013-05-20 01:11:15 PM

willfullyobscure: Kahabut: Just in case anyone here doesn't already know.

The gun in question fires a .357sig round.  Which is a 9mm bullet (.355) in 10mm casing (.357).

It's the semi-auto equivalent of a .357magnum.  (well, it's supposed to be anyway)

The ammo is probably going to be mildly hard to find.  They chose poorly when stealing.

http://ammoseek.com/?gun=handgun&cal=17


Right, because the first thing all ILLEGAL gun owners are going to want to do is order ammo online.  It's not like they could get your name, age, race, sex, address, types of guns owned and approx. ammo usage.

:deadpan:

You don't really order ammo from there, do you?
 
2013-05-20 01:11:52 PM

Sultan Of Herf: frankencj: YoOjo:

Ten bucks says they try and use 9mm ammo in that .357 SIG

I was thinking the same thing.

/Or wondering why a .357 S&W mag will not fit in the magazine.

Or why 357 magnum ammo wont fit in the magazine or the gun. Though of all the errors they are likely to have, Ill say the 9mm folly is the most likely. Yo, it too small ta be fordy-five, it gots ta be a 9.


Of course no non-black would ever be confused or mistaken about guns and bullets. It took me a while to get straight that a .357 magnum revolver will chamber & fire .38 Special bullets but a .38 won't handle the magnum rounds: it's a good thing I didn't actually try any such thing or I mighta blowed my dumb honky hand off. Which in no way disproves your racist-sounding "elucidation," given that I am transracial: one of these days I gotta buy three weeks in a tanning booth to make the outside match my Negro innards. Or something. (It's a good thing that I'm already hung better than most paler brethren: I read on the Internet that them Big Peter pills don't work and I's all skeered o' sharp objects since my circumcision went kinda sideways.)


Yes please: jaybeezey: Clearly all of you missed the subtle point of this article which is "minorities are untrustworthy".

Subtext - it's everywhere.

It's so subtle that they don't even mention the suspects' race anywhere in the article. That's farking devious.


TFA included a helpful picture:

www.wmur.com

Can you guess who the thieves might be in this photograph?

One big problem about such photos is it's damn hard to recognize any individual from them: I might be able to know who the African-American gentleman in the white T-shirt is if I were already well acquainted with him, but otherwise I'd have a hard time separating these individuals from any of hundreds of other people of similar build and complexion. You'd have to show me several stills from several angles before I'd venture a guess that might get an innocent person admitted to the hoosegow. Kinda like a description of the guy behind the display case might get me pulled in: "a chubby white guy with black-framed glasses, darkish hair and a bald spot in back" -- which would do for telling either of us from e.g. a Chinese woman but otherwise ain't good for much. And the (white) woman in the clever sunglasses disguise looks something like my lovely sister, but she'd never be caught dead in a gun shop.

As for the pistol, I tracked down some photos of what it might be.

The left side looks like this,

www.sigsauer.com

and the right side is pictured below.

www.sigsauer.com

If that's it you'll see that there's enough information stamped into the gun to allow one to type a few characters into Google, which might lead one to the manufacturer's product page, with gobs of helpful information. The Wikipedially inclined might even locate a very very informative entry here. Of course all this presupposes a tad more Internet expertise than you'd need to locate a photo of Beyonce naked (NSFW), but any reasonably literate and mentally competent individual should, once s/he establishes that a 9mm bullet won't fit, be able to find out as much information as s/he'd need to employ said firearm to go shoot a(nother) thug dead. The (below) Irishman, albeit only an academic and Public Intellectual, should have no problem with it.

upload.wikimedia.org

In short, there's a lot of racism in this thread, even among those who wouldn't know a battle flag of the Army of Tennessee from something Mr. Wipple won't want you to squeeze. Y'all out there who think I might be talking to you might do well to give some thought to the matter, if you know how, and might even consider taking steps to remedy this condition.

Or you could SEND ME MONEY to the Paypal account linked to the email address you'll find hinted at in my Profile: for enough remuneration I'll forgive anybody of anything. Please make a note of it.
 
2013-05-20 01:15:27 PM

diaphoresis: **please don't be a black**
**clicks link**
** GDMFSOB **

Sterotypes suck


Take heart, maybe they're Republicans.
 
2013-05-20 01:17:24 PM
Ten bucks says they try and use 9mm ammo in that .357 SIG

I tried to save money by using .22 ammo in my .357, but the bullets kept falling out.
 
2013-05-20 01:19:02 PM

Pick: Ten bucks says they try and use 9mm ammo in that .357 SIG

I tried to save money by using .22 ammo in my .357, but the bullets kept falling out.


You have to keep the barrel pointed up.
 
2013-05-20 01:37:51 PM

madgonad: vygramul: YoOjo: Ten bucks says they try and use 9mm ammo in that .357 SIG

A .357 sig semiauto is really expensive, and so's the ammo. God knows what they'll try.

Ammo is as little at $0.67.rd if you don't mind the WWB. Only about a 30-50% premium over 9mm Luger - and that money buy a hell of a lot more stopping power


Don't get me wrong - I want one. But if you can't afford the gun and have to steal it, that ammo is going to be a problem.
 
2013-05-20 01:57:52 PM
Kahabut:

Just in case anyone here doesn't already know.

The gun in question fires a .357sig round.  Which is a 9mm bullet (.355) in 10mm casing (.357).

It's the semi-auto equivalent of a .357magnum.  (well, it's supposed to be anyway)

The ammo is probably going to be mildly hard to find.  They chose poorly when stealing.


They should be more careful next time. Ask to see the gun they want, then point this gun at the guy behind the counter and relieve him of that one.

It makes sense to use a pistol whose ammo is cheap and easy to find, once you've established the size of the entry wound you hope to make. For example, .357 SIG ammo generally runs about twice the price of 9mm or .38 Special, and it's about $5 box (of 50) more than .357 magnum. And for the average drug-addled thug a revolver will be easier to clean & maintain than a semi-auto, so I'd recommend a .38 special snubnose if you're going to conceal it or a .357 magnum with at least a 4" barrel if concealment isn't such an issue; the latter would be more economical in the long run because a .357 will shoot .38 spl ammo just fine.

But anyway.
 
2013-05-20 02:00:46 PM

Yes please: jaybeezey: Yes please: jaybeezey: Clearly all of you missed the subtle point of this article which is "minorities are untrustworthy".

Subtext - it's everywhere.

It's so subtle that they don't even mention the suspects' race anywhere in the article. That's farking devious.

that's why it's called subtext

This is three levels below subtext.  Start at subtext, go down past implicit, keep going through intimated, and once you hit projection, you'll know you're there.


No it's fark
 
2013-05-20 02:00:50 PM

vygramul: madgonad: vygramul: YoOjo: Ten bucks says they try and use 9mm ammo in that .357 SIG

A .357 sig semiauto is really expensive, and so's the ammo. God knows what they'll try.

Ammo is as little at $0.67.rd if you don't mind the WWB. Only about a 30-50% premium over 9mm Luger - and that money buy a hell of a lot more stopping power

Don't get me wrong - I want one. But if you can't afford the gun and have to steal it, that ammo is going to be a problem.




It's possible they could afford it but knew they couldn't pass the background check.
Ammunition may be expensive but those with criminal intent don't need much of it.

Criminals always seem to find a way.
 
2013-05-20 02:23:03 PM
Lotta racism from the gun-nut crowd around here, but I suppose I'm the REAL offender for noticing.
 
2013-05-20 02:35:57 PM

The One True TheDavid: Sultan Of Herf: frankencj: YoOjo:

Ten bucks says they try and use 9mm ammo in that .357 SIG

I was thinking the same thing.

/Or wondering why a .357 S&W mag will not fit in the magazine.

Or why 357 magnum ammo wont fit in the magazine or the gun. Though of all the errors they are likely to have, Ill say the 9mm folly is the most likely. Yo, it too small ta be fordy-five, it gots ta be a 9.

Of course no non-black would ever be confused or mistaken about guns and bullets. It took me a while to get straight that a .357 magnum revolver will chamber & fire .38 Special bullets but a .38 won't handle the magnum rounds: it's a good thing I didn't actually try any such thing or I mighta blowed my dumb honky hand off. Which in no way disproves your racist-sounding "elucidation," given that I am transracial: one of these days I gotta buy three weeks in a tanning booth to make the outside match my Negro innards. Or something. (It's a good thing that I'm already hung better than most paler brethren: I read on the Internet that them Big Peter pills don't work and I's all skeered o' sharp objects since my circumcision went kinda sideways.)


Yes please: jaybeezey: Clearly all of you missed the subtle point of this article which is "minorities are untrustworthy".

Subtext - it's everywhere.

It's so subtle that they don't even mention the suspects' race anywhere in the article. That's farking devious.

TFA included a helpful picture:

[www.wmur.com image 320x240]

Can you guess who the thieves might be in this photograph?

One big problem about such photos is it's damn hard to recognize any individual from them: I might be able to know who the African-American gentleman in the white T-shirt is if I were already well acquainted with him, but otherwise I'd have a hard time separating these individuals from any of hundreds of other people of similar build and complexion. You'd have to show me several stills from several angles before I'd venture a guess that might get an innocent ...


...so you did not have to google '.357 Sig' ?  You knew all about this caliber and the firearms that are chambered in it?  I am sure the crooks looked at the price tag plus the location (ease of access) rather than caliber, make and model.
 
2013-05-20 03:25:56 PM
This should solve the age-old question of "If we have such awesome background checks, how do crimunals keep getting guns?" Looks like the grabbers can finally rest at ease that we have solved their dilemma.
 
2013-05-20 03:31:32 PM

The One True TheDavid: If that's it you'll see that there's enough information stamped into the gun to allow one to type a few characters into Google, which might lead one to the manufacturer's product page, with gobs of helpful information. The Wikipedially inclined might even locate a very very informative entry here. Of course all this presupposes a tad more Internet expertise than you'd need to locate a photo of Beyonce naked (NSFW), but any reasonably literate and mentally competent individual should, once s/he establishes that a 9mm bullet won't fit, be able to find out as much information as s/he'd need to employ said firearm to go shoot a(nother) thug dead.


Too much effort.  The proper ammunition type is stamped on the chamber for everyone and god to see.  You can see it clearly in your bottom picture.
 
2013-05-20 03:39:42 PM
Click Click D'oh:

The proper ammunition type is stamped on the chamber for everyone and god to see.  You can see it clearly in your bottom picture.

Yeah but it's not always stamped on all guns. And looking stuff up tells you more about the firearm's features than you'd ever need to know.

Cut me some slack, okay? Because of my very high IQ the easy way never occurs to me. Back in 6th grade I actually had to look up how to sniff glue.
 
2013-05-20 03:55:48 PM

jaybeezey: Clearly all of you missed the subtle point of this article which is "minorities are untrustworthy".

Subtext - it's everywhere.


25.media.tumblr.com

They tried to tell you......
 
2013-05-20 04:05:04 PM

Psycoholic_Slag: adragontattoo: YoOjo:

Ten bucks says they try and use 9mm ammo in that .357 SIG

Uh 357sig is a 9mm bullet in a necked down 40.

Oh really, well they should have no problem firing 9mm rounds in the 357 SIG.   YoOjo is obviously an idiot.


I looked it up and found this, which says among other things:

NVGdude  [Member]2/6/2009 1:22:55 AM

The bullets are the same with a few caveats.

For hollow points, the bullets designed for the .357 Sig are usually constructed heavier, either with a heavier jacket, or a shallower HP, because the expectation is that the bullet will be traveling faster.
For FMJ, some bullets designed specifically for the Sig have a flat meplat due to magazine length restrictions. Any truncated cone design should be fine though.

Most 9mm bullets will work just fine, you just need to be certain that you have good neck tension and are not over mag length.


Other guys on other sites say pretty much the same thing.


But keep in mind these people are bullet geeks who reload their own damn shells FFS, not your average garden-variety practitioners of thuggery. I only know you can load a .357 magnum with .38 spl because somebody told me, and I'm a certified near-genius.

You're welcome to demonstrate popping 9mms out of a P266 .357 Sig to show you're right. Put it up on Youtube, everybody knows how to find stuff there.

Otherwise I'd recommend a normal criminal get a make/model s/he and/or his/her gangbanging buddies are already familiar with. These people are already so "challenged" they think they need firearms to commit felonies; you wouldn't want 'em to hurt themselves trying to kill people, wouldja?
 
2013-05-20 04:11:26 PM
Put me down for incorrect ammo causing the perspective thieves all sorts of inconvenience camp.

/ .357 sig is an aweful specific ammunition. .45 gap eat your heart out.
 
2013-05-20 04:13:51 PM

The One True TheDavid: Psycoholic_Slag: adragontattoo: YoOjo:

Ten bucks says they try and use 9mm ammo in that .357 SIG

Uh 357sig is a 9mm bullet in a necked down 40.

Oh really, well they should have no problem firing 9mm rounds in the 357 SIG.   YoOjo is obviously an idiot.

I looked it up and found this, which says among other things:

NVGdude  [Member]2/6/2009 1:22:55 AM

The bullets are the same with a few caveats.

For hollow points, the bullets designed for the .357 Sig are usually constructed heavier, either with a heavier jacket, or a shallower HP, because the expectation is that the bullet will be traveling faster.
For FMJ, some bullets designed specifically for the Sig have a flat meplat due to magazine length restrictions. Any truncated cone design should be fine though.

Most 9mm bullets will work just fine, you just need to be certain that you have good neck tension and are not over mag length.


Other guys on other sites say pretty much the same thing.


But keep in mind these people are bullet geeks who reload their own damn shells FFS, not your average garden-variety practitioners of thuggery. I only know you can load a .357 magnum with .38 spl because somebody told me, and I'm a certified near-genius.

You're welcome to demonstrate popping 9mms out of a P266 .357 Sig to show you're right. Put it up on Youtube, everybody knows how to find stuff there.

Otherwise I'd recommend a normal criminal get a make/model s/he and/or his/her gangbanging buddies are already familiar with. These people are already so "challenged" they think they need firearms to commit felonies; you wouldn't want 'em to hurt themselves trying to kill people, wouldja?


You know they are talking about using the 9mm projectile in .357 Sig cases...not shooting 9mm rounds from a .357 Sig chambered firearm......
 
2013-05-20 04:14:42 PM

BgJonson79: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: diaphoresis: **please don't be a black**
**clicks link**
** GDMFSOB **

Sterotypes suck

You'd think in New Hampshire they'd get shot just for that.

Why would you say that?  We're not Georgia, for God's sake!


Yeah, in NH blacks aren't oppressed... They just mostly don't exist at all!

www.raconline.org
 
2013-05-20 04:27:01 PM

iheartscotch: Put me down for incorrect ammo causing the perspective thieves all sorts of inconvenience camp.

/ .357 sig is an aweful specific ammunition. .45 gap eat your heart out.


I jumped all over the .400 Corbon a while back.
 
2013-05-20 04:31:46 PM

frankencj: iheartscotch: Put me down for incorrect ammo causing the perspective thieves all sorts of inconvenience camp.

/ .357 sig is an aweful specific ammunition. .45 gap eat your heart out.

I jumped all over the .400 Corbon a while back.


.400 corbon? That's one of those you'll never see at Wally world
 
2013-05-20 04:35:04 PM

iheartscotch: frankencj: iheartscotch: Put me down for incorrect ammo causing the perspective thieves all sorts of inconvenience camp.

/ .357 sig is an aweful specific ammunition. .45 gap eat your heart out.

I jumped all over the .400 Corbon a while back.

.400 corbon? That's one of those you'll never see at Wally world


Yea.  I don't think I have seen it locally for a while either.  Honesty, I only shoot what I can find from Wally World or Academy.  I haven't shot much lately.
 
2013-05-20 04:58:43 PM
frankencj:

You know they are talking about using the 9mm projectile in .357 Sig cases...not shooting 9mm rounds from a .357 Sig chambered firearm......

Funny, you just proved you don't know what anyone is talking about.

Allow me to explain, AGAIN.  The .357 sig IS a 9mm bullet in a 10mm casing.  How much farking more difficult do you want to make this?

Will the gun fire a standard 9mm?  Probably.  Define "standard 9mm" and I'll tell you for sure.  Is it far more likely to jam on that kind of round?  YES.  Will it shoot, almost 100% yes (once).
 
2013-05-20 06:11:58 PM
The gun laws obama and joe have no time to enforce?

Those gun laws?
 
2013-05-20 06:32:29 PM

Kahabut: frankencj:

You know they are talking about using the 9mm projectile in .357 Sig cases...not shooting 9mm rounds from a .357 Sig chambered firearm......

Funny, you just proved you don't know what anyone is talking about.

Allow me to explain, AGAIN.  The .357 sig IS a 9mm bullet in a 10mm casing.  How much farking more difficult do you want to make this?

Will the gun fire a standard 9mm?  Probably.  Define "standard 9mm" and I'll tell you for sure.  Is it far more likely to jam on that kind of round?  YES.  Will it shoot, almost 100% yes (once).


More than likely it will ignite the primer and powder.  The chamber is too large for the case so the case will overexpand and break up and not keep the gases forward of the chamber. This is not the ideal for a pleasant shooting experience.  I do know the .357 Sig. It is not normal or advisable to shoot a 9mm in a firearm chambered in .357 sig.  What the guy above was quoting was using a 9mm projectile in a .357 sig case in reloading.
 
2013-05-20 07:26:49 PM
Riley's is a very cramped store, and happens to be the only one in the lower region of NH which has any stock (of anything). The number of employees is kind of low, and they have so much shelving that there are blind corners all over the place. I'm not at all surprised this happened. What should also be mentioned is that police more or less live there. There is a police firing range and supply store here as well.

Now someone else asked how one might shrink the size of the black market for such things. The best example of how to do this, is to look at two other notable forms of prohibition: Pot and Alcohol.
 
2013-05-20 10:04:02 PM
frankencj:

You know they are talking about using the 9mm projectile in .357 Sig cases...not shooting 9mm rounds from a .357 Sig chambered firearm......

There ya go, another reason why if you wanna shoot 9mm bullets you'd better steal a 9mm-bullet-shooting handgun. It's so much easier on the brain.
 
2013-05-20 10:05:54 PM
adragontattoo:

I'm more inclined to believe that they're going to try to fire .40 through the pistol. That would make a big mess.

Disability time.
 
2013-05-20 10:13:50 PM
No need to worry folks, black people don't live in NH.   They won't be able to buy ammo when they get back to Mass. without an FID card.
 
2013-05-20 10:15:02 PM

The One True TheDavid: adragontattoo:

I'm more inclined to believe that they're going to try to fire .40 through the pistol. That would make a big mess.

Disability time.


Nah, lawsuit time. Like he knows the difference among a 9, a fo-tay, and a tree fiddy seben .
 
2013-05-20 10:26:38 PM

scotty425: The One True TheDavid: adragontattoo:

I'm more inclined to believe that they're going to try to fire .40 through the pistol. That would make a big mess.

Disability time.

Nah, lawsuit time. Like he knows the difference among a 9, a fo-tay, and a tree fiddy seben .


Can't sue gun manufacturers. For anything. NRA Congress said so.
 
2013-05-20 10:34:49 PM

RobSeace: BgJonson79: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: diaphoresis: **please don't be a black**
**clicks link**
** GDMFSOB **

Sterotypes suck

You'd think in New Hampshire they'd get shot just for that.

Why would you say that?  We're not Georgia, for God's sake!

Yeah, in NH blacks aren't oppressed... They just mostly don't exist at all!

[www.raconline.org image 850x685]


New Hampshire has a lot of libertarians,

i75.photobucket.com

See the Bottom-left, and the fact that every other example is, for the most part, okay with that one.

It's like how Rand Paul came out and said, "the civil rights act was bad."
 
2013-05-20 11:07:16 PM
They should be obeying the law. I'm not sure why they did not do that; it makes no sense to me. Perhaps more laws will work better. They'll gladly obey more laws.
 
2013-05-20 11:10:05 PM

monoski: neversubmit: jaybeezey: Clearly all of you missed the subtle point of this article which is "minorities are untrustworthy".

Subtext - it's everywhere.

That's why it got the green lite.

I know a white guy who did this also but he got caught.


White guys never get caught. Did you not get the memo?
 
2013-05-21 06:57:37 AM

omnibus_necanda_sunt: scotty425: The One True TheDavid: adragontattoo:

I'm more inclined to believe that they're going to try to fire .40 through the pistol. That would make a big mess.

Disability time.

Nah, lawsuit time. Like he knows the difference among a 9, a fo-tay, and a tree fiddy seben .

Can't sue gun manufacturers. For anything. NRA Congress said so.


No, they didn't.  What a bizarrely stupid thing to say.
 
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