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(Talking Points Memo)   Treasury Secretary Le0e0e0ew: RAISE THE FARKING DEBT CEILING WITHOUT YOUR PANDERING CRAP FOR ONCE. God, it's like dealing with a bunch of farking 3 year olds   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 44
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2013-05-20 09:27:08 AM  
You should have played the reverse psychology trick, Lew. Tell them you're willing to accept any and all conditions on raising the debt ceiling. Then they'd voluntarily decide to raise it with no conditions.
 
2013-05-20 09:27:51 AM  
The 3yo would shut up for five minutes after getting what they want instead of continuing to cry after getting their toy.
 
2013-05-20 09:28:34 AM  
OK, so can you just raise revenues whenever you want?  No, you cannot.  See, a federal budget is like your beer money budget.  You really want to drink good stuff like Michelob, but because of the libs you can only get gay wine coolers.
 
2013-05-20 09:29:24 AM  
It will be interesting (sad) to see if the Tea Party wing will turn this into a showdown like they did last time. Lew is saying this be cause he understands that the credit of our nation hangs in the balance. This isn't something to screw around with. If they stall again and get downgraded or even if people start to get scared and markets spiral downward as well as interest rates going up due to this, it could be very dangerous to our fragile economy.
 
2013-05-20 09:30:04 AM  
Yeah, as the father of a 3 year old, I can tell you that the threat of a time out is a wonderful, wonderful thing.

Man that boy hates time outs.  I hope this lasts well in to his 30s.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-05-20 09:37:50 AM  
The thing I'm worried about is that this party before country crap will become the new norm.  Other than getting into the industrial revolution early, it's the only thing that has really separated us from the third world nations.
 
2013-05-20 09:38:22 AM  
He's right. This debt ceiling nonsense has got to stop.
 
2013-05-20 09:40:45 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: He's right. This debt ceiling nonsense has got to stop.


Right. Just not the way you're implying.
 
2013-05-20 09:40:56 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: He's right. This debt ceiling nonsense has got to stop.


Once there's a Republican or at least a white male Democrat sitting in the Oval Office again, the nonsense will end. It'll be "business as usual" faster than you can say "The GOP is a bunch of Racist, Misogynistic Pigs!"
 
2013-05-20 09:52:42 AM  

MmmmBacon: Debeo Summa Credo: He's right. This debt ceiling nonsense has got to stop.

Once there's a Republican or at least a white male Democrat sitting in the Oval Office again, the nonsense will end. It'll be "business as usual" faster than you can say "The GOP is a bunch of Racist, Misogynistic Pigs!"


Clinton for at least 4 more years of FUnnnnnnnnnnn!
 
2013-05-20 09:54:57 AM  

powhound: MmmmBacon: Debeo Summa Credo: He's right. This debt ceiling nonsense has got to stop.

Once there's a Republican or at least a white male Democrat sitting in the Oval Office again, the nonsense will end. It'll be "business as usual" faster than you can say "The GOP is a bunch of Racist, Misogynistic Pigs!"

Clinton for at least 4 more years of FUnnnnnnnnnnn!


I'd vote for him.
 
2013-05-20 09:55:50 AM  
A "limit" is no longer a "limit" if it is raised every time it is reached.

Get rid of the damned thing already.  Its only use anymore is political posturing.

I'd be interested to hear of a valid reason to keep it in place.
 
2013-05-20 09:59:58 AM  

GanjSmokr: A "limit" is no longer a "limit" if it is raised every time it is reached.

Get rid of the damned thing already.  Its only use anymore is political posturing.

I'd be interested to hear of a valid reason to keep it in place.


The GOP would say the valid reason would be "Keeping the Black Man down".
 
2013-05-20 10:19:27 AM  

MmmmBacon: GanjSmokr: A "limit" is no longer a "limit" if it is raised every time it is reached.

Get rid of the damned thing already.  Its only use anymore is political posturing.

I'd be interested to hear of a valid reason to keep it in place.

The GOP would say the valid reason would be "Keeping the Black Man down".



Why do I have a funny feeling they'd all still be bickering about this no matter the color of the person in charge?


Does anyone here have an actual valid reason to keep the debt ceiling in place?
 
2013-05-20 10:32:49 AM  
Reid needs to tell Boehner to get his party in line or the Senate ends the filibuster. Confirmation hearings to start immediately.
 
2013-05-20 10:35:00 AM  
GanjSmokr:


Does anyone here have an actual valid reason to keep the debt ceiling in place?

It makes tactically-abysmal partisan hackery more 'showy,' thereby leading to solid name-branding for the GOP and plays well with the folks who still watch reruns of 'Green Acres.'  It's the same principle, only far more shiatty, as all the flexing and grunting before a sumo match.  Get that zanshin!
 
2013-05-20 10:56:53 AM  

KhamanV: GanjSmokr:


Does anyone here have an actual valid reason to keep the debt ceiling in place?

It makes tactically-abysmal partisan hackery more 'showy,' thereby leading to solid name-branding for the GOP and plays well with the folks who still watch reruns of 'Green Acres.'  It's the same principle, only far more shiatty, as all the flexing and grunting before a sumo match.  Get that zanshin!


Yes, we all know that the GOP is full of a bunch of racist partisan hacks.  That's why they want to keep it.

And I'm sure the dems didn't want to raise the ceiling in 2006 because they were just trying to be fiscally responsible.


But in all seriousness, without getting all "MY SIDE ROCKS AND YOUR SIDE SUCKS!!!", can anyone give a valid reason to keep the debt ceiling.
 
2013-05-20 11:19:56 AM  
Dear Teahadists:

This is to pay for spending YOU ALREADY F*CKING VOTED TO APPROVE. Refusing to raise the ceiling is ironclad proof you are all bipolar and need to be locked up.
 
2013-05-20 11:20:44 AM  
A federal budget is more like a refrigerator: when it stops running, your go-box with the scallopini from Olive Garden spoils, which is why it's important to change the oil every 5,000 miles. If you don't, what does that cost? MORE MONEY. We already spend way too much, and the Army can't even get tanks. We wouldn't even be having this conversation if the gays weren't actively trying to neuter the military by making Marines hold umbrellas. This is how communism starts.
 
2013-05-20 12:06:08 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: He's right. This debt ceiling nonsense has got to stop.


Right, this habit of routinely raising the debt ceiling with little or no delay or obstruction has to stop.

Until there's a Republican in office.  Then it's back to business-as-always-before-Obama
 
2013-05-20 12:37:37 PM  
The admin actually should call Congress, "The ChildrenTM". They should keep referring to them in that way until they get stuff done.
 
2013-05-20 12:41:52 PM  

Rapmaster2000: OK, so can you just raise revenues whenever you want?  No, you cannot.  See, a federal budget is like your beer money budget.  You really want to drink good stuff like Michelob Newcastle, but because of the libs Bush you can only get gay wine coolers Michelob.


Fixed, but I think I found your first problem.
 
2013-05-20 01:12:38 PM  
I'll take a coin in Platinum, plz
 
2013-05-20 01:32:02 PM  

GanjSmokr: A "limit" is no longer a "limit" if it is raised every time it is reached.

Get rid of the damned thing already.  Its only use anymore is political posturing.

I'd be interested to hear of a valid reason to keep it in place.


I suppose we could really just call "raising the debt limit" what it really is, "asking the public to borrow more money", but people who are so stupid that they think funding a national government should be anything like balancing a personal checkbook would not be able to see how borrowing money is a necessary part of every day operations even if the government is leveraged etc. out.
 
2013-05-20 01:43:35 PM  

Rapmaster2000: OK, so can you just raise revenues whenever you want?  No, you cannot.  See, a federal budget is like your beer money budget.  You really want to drink good stuff like Michelob, but because of the libs you can only get gay wine coolers.


Not really the best analogy for the debt ceiling. It's more like you already ordered (the budget) and drank 20,000 cases of Michelob, which we will agree for the sake of argument is the "good stuff." Now, you are refusing to pay for what you already drank.
 
2013-05-20 02:01:15 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: A federal budget is more like a refrigerator: when it stops running, your go-box with the scallopini from Olive Garden spoils, which is why it's important to change the oil every 5,000 miles. If you don't, what does that cost? MORE MONEY. We already spend way too much, and the Army can't even get tanks. We wouldn't even be having this conversation if the gays weren't actively trying to neuter the military by making Marines hold umbrellas. This is how communism starts.


That was the most impressive word salad I've read all month.  Well done.
 
2013-05-20 02:28:17 PM  

GanjSmokr: KhamanV: GanjSmokr:


Does anyone here have an actual valid reason to keep the debt ceiling in place?

It makes tactically-abysmal partisan hackery more 'showy,' thereby leading to solid name-branding for the GOP and plays well with the folks who still watch reruns of 'Green Acres.'  It's the same principle, only far more shiatty, as all the flexing and grunting before a sumo match.  Get that zanshin!

Yes, we all know that the GOP is full of a bunch of racist partisan hacks.  That's why they want to keep it.

And I'm sure the dems didn't want to raise the ceiling in 2006 because they were just trying to be fiscally responsible.


But in all seriousness, without getting all "MY SIDE ROCKS AND YOUR SIDE SUCKS!!!", can anyone give a valid reason to keep the debt ceiling.


In a perfect world, the debate around the debt ceiling would be like deciding to ask the bank (who is known to be very easy to deal with) for an expansion of the HELOC.  We've already decide to run our spending like this (the budget) and our income looks like this (tax policy, current economy) so we're going to have to continue borrowing (soaking up someone else's savings) to make up the difference.  It should be one of those "Honey come over here and sign this" moments.

Congress, being the sovereign and all, should sign off on this, even if what they are doing is signing off on letting someone else deciding when to expand the credit line.  At least there would be a trace from the creation of the debt back to an authorization by our government.

But then in a perfect world Congress would be the adults and the president is just a manager.  But we haven't seen that in a long time, if we ever did.
 
2013-05-20 02:29:30 PM  

GanjSmokr: A "limit" is no longer a "limit" if it is raised every time it is reached.

Get rid of the damned thing already.  Its only use anymore is political posturing.

I'd be interested to hear of a valid reason to keep it in place.


Exactly. It's just a means of throwing a wrench in the works IMO.
 
2013-05-20 02:34:04 PM  
On to more important matters, is this the first instance of the Le0e0e0ew meme?  Because that's just beautiful.  Nice job subs.
 
2013-05-20 04:02:51 PM  
Speaker2Animals: This is to pay for spending YOU ALREADY F*CKING VOTED TO APPROVE.

Bearsrepeating.jpg.

Refusing to raise the debt ceiling is like throwing a hissyfit when your credit card bill comes in, and refusing to pay it. And then wondering why your credit goes to shiat.
 
2013-05-20 06:19:17 PM  

GanjSmokr: MmmmBacon: GanjSmokr: A "limit" is no longer a "limit" if it is raised every time it is reached.

Get rid of the damned thing already.  Its only use anymore is political posturing.

I'd be interested to hear of a valid reason to keep it in place.

The GOP would say the valid reason would be "Keeping the Black Man down".


Why do I have a funny feeling they'd all still be bickering about this no matter the color of the person in charge?


Does anyone here have an actual valid reason to keep the debt ceiling in place?


Because you are ignorant of history?
 
2013-05-20 06:59:30 PM  
To Subby,

Sweet Jack Lew signature joke.

Forever hatin',
PapaC.
 
2013-05-20 07:00:34 PM  
Let's see what 2006 Obama had to say about it... Hrm...

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a Sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. ...Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that 'the buck stops here'. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and Grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."
SENATOR BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, MARCH 2006
 
2013-05-20 07:02:14 PM  

randomjsa: Let's see what 2006 Obama had to say about it... Hrm...

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a Sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. ...Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that 'the buck stops here'. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and Grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."
SENATOR BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, MARCH 2006


But Obama and the Democrats didn't hold the debt ceiling hostage.
 
2013-05-20 07:03:47 PM  

crazydave023: It will be interesting (sad) to see if the Tea Party wing will turn this into a showdown like they did last time. Lew is saying this be cause he understands that the credit of our nation hangs in the balance. This isn't something to screw around with. If they stall again and get downgraded or even if people start to get scared and markets spiral downward as well as interest rates going up due to this, it could be very dangerous to our fragile economy.


Then again look what happened last time, the credit downgrade of US government debt led to a flight to safety... in US government debt. Which incidentally really disproves the rational choice theory in the context of finance.
 
2013-05-20 07:04:12 PM  

randomjsa: Let's see what 2006 Obama had to say about it... Hrm...

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a Sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. ...Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that 'the buck stops here'. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and Grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."
SENATOR BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, MARCH 2006


You are saying it was bad when Bush did it?
 
2013-05-20 07:22:54 PM  

Halli: randomjsa: Let's see what 2006 Obama had to say about it... Hrm...

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a Sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. ...Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that 'the buck stops here'. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and Grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."
SENATOR BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, MARCH 2006

But Obama and the Democrats didn't hold the debt ceiling hostage.


He was just grandstanding then?
Better than the GOP but still pretty farking lame, you have I admit.
 
2013-05-20 07:24:11 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Halli: randomjsa: Let's see what 2006 Obama had to say about it... Hrm...

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a Sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. ...Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that 'the buck stops here'. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and Grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."
SENATOR BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, MARCH 2006

But Obama and the Democrats didn't hold the debt ceiling hostage.

He was just grandstanding then?
Better than the GOP but still pretty farking lame, you have I admit.


Grandstanding is part of being a politician.
 
2013-05-20 08:44:20 PM  
Perhaps there should be a budget.
 
2013-05-20 08:48:18 PM  

LargeCanine: Perhaps there should be a budget.


Budgets originate in the House. Now I wonder which party controls the House, and has been doing nothing but throwing temper tantrums?
 
2013-05-20 08:53:05 PM  

LargeCanine: Perhaps there should be a budget.


Perhaps you should take civics classes...
 
2013-05-20 09:16:46 PM  

machodonkeywrestler: GanjSmokr:Why do I have a funny feeling they'd all still be bickering about this no matter the color of the person in charge?

Does anyone here have an actual valid reason to keep the debt ceiling in place?

Because you are ignorant of history?


randomjsa: Let's see what 2006 Obama had to say about it... Hrm...

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a Sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. ...Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that 'the buck stops here'. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and Grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."
SENATOR BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, MARCH 2006


Sounds a little like bickering to me... but i'm just ignorant.

/we should now change the subject and argue about the definition of "bickering"
 
2013-05-20 09:40:14 PM  

KhamanV: GanjSmokr:


Does anyone here have an actual valid reason to keep the debt ceiling in place?

It makes tactically-abysmal partisan hackery more 'showy,' thereby leading to solid name-branding for the GOP and plays well with the folks who still watch reruns of 'Green Acres.'  It's the same principle, only far more shiatty, as all the flexing and grunting before a sumo match.  Get that zanshin!


Er, i watch reruns of Green Acres. I also watch reruns of MASH, Dark Angel, Firefly and Rocky and Bullwinkle, so let's not judge people based on their television watching choices.
 
2013-05-21 08:49:01 AM  

Selena Luna: Er, i watch reruns of Green Acres. I also watch reruns of MASH, Dark Angel, Firefly and Rocky and Bullwinkle, so let's not judge people based on their television watching choices.


Eva Gabor: FAP
Natasha: FAP
 
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