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(Washington Post)   Turns out AP wasn't the only news outlet Obama was tapping, FOX News also was spied on. Come on Obama, you just completed the right-wing conspiracy trifecta in just two weeks, At least make it hard for them   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 241
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2013-05-20 09:00:47 AM
And so it goes on. And yet people somehow think this guy is on top of things, honest and genuine guy. I mean this guy is another typical Chicago politician who's a crooked as a $3 bill
 
2013-05-20 09:05:32 AM
It's amazing how for the past 12 years the government has had the power to do the exact same thing to citizens with the total compliance and silence of the media, but the moment the same things happen to them, they raise a stink.
 
2013-05-20 09:10:01 AM

jedihirsch: And so it goes on. And yet people somehow think this guy is on top of things, honest and genuine guy. I mean this guy is another typical Chicago politician who's a crooked as a $3 bill


FTA:  Privacy protections limit searching or seizing a reporter's work, but not when there is evidence that the journalist broke the law against unauthorized leaks. A federal judge signed off on the search warrant - agreeing that there was probable cause that Rosen was a co-conspirator.


Reading is hard, for you anyway.
 
2013-05-20 09:15:22 AM

Aarontology: It's amazing how for the past 12 years the government has had the power to do the exact same thing to citizens with the total compliance and silence of the media, but the moment the same things happen to them, they raise a stink.


And no one is proposing taking that power away from the executive branch. They're just mad the blah guy is using it.
 
2013-05-20 09:20:27 AM

SilentStrider: And no one is proposing taking that power away from the executive branch. They're just mad the blah guy is using it.


As a general rule, that's how you can tell how full of shiat people are.

When there's more time spent on assigning blame and rabble rousing instead of taking action to make sure it can't happen again, you can tell that the people upset about it aren't that upset.
 
2013-05-20 09:24:17 AM
Woohoo, I get to be the initial person to beat subby for linking to page 3 of the article!
 
2013-05-20 09:27:38 AM
Ah, perfect time to turn my phone's tethering name back to "Surveillance Unit Seven" and walk around randomly with broadcast on, I see.
 
2013-05-20 09:53:12 AM

PreMortem: jedihirsch: And so it goes on. And yet people somehow think this guy is on top of things, honest and genuine guy. I mean this guy is another typical Chicago politician who's a crooked as a $3 bill

FTA:  Privacy protections limit searching or seizing a reporter's work, but not when there is evidence that the journalist broke the law against unauthorized leaks. A federal judge signed off on the search warrant - agreeing that there was probable cause that Rosen was a co-conspirator.


Reading is hard, for you anyway.


Someone should just quote this every 4th or 5th post in this thread.  There really isn't a whole lot else to be said.
 
2013-05-20 09:53:54 AM
And these are the only tappings that were FOUND OUT.

I remember when spooks showed up at my restaurant reservation in San Diego after following me along hwy 8.
No one knew about the reservation except my work phone.
NICE.
 
2013-05-20 09:54:13 AM
Now FoxNews is gonna come after him.
 
2013-05-20 09:54:50 AM
Sort of lamenting cheer leading for the telecoms' immunity, eh?
 
2013-05-20 09:55:19 AM
Whatever. The important thing everyone's overlooking here is that we were able to foil those pretend terror attacks.
 
2013-05-20 09:56:27 AM
When will they start reporting on the Fark Modmin vast right-wing conservative conspiracy? tens of thousands of greenlights from only a handful of extremist right-wing sources. WAKE UP SHEEPLE
 
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2013-05-20 09:57:02 AM

SlothB77: Now FoxNews is gonna come after him.


Oh Noes!!!!
 
2013-05-20 09:57:43 AM
Everything that has been reported the government has done to media outlets was authorized under the Patriot Act. In the past they got court orders to look at civilian phone and email records, now they're doing it to media outlets, and suddenly people are outraged? It's all legal and written down in black and white, and a judge signed off on it. Don't like it, conservatives? Go ahead and amend and/or repeal the Patriot Act, then.

Oh, you don't like it because a Democrat is using the bill you pushed through Congress. Well, that makes all the difference, doesn't it?

/no it doesn't
//the Patriot Act sucks whether a (D) or (R) is using it
 
2013-05-20 09:58:14 AM

jedihirsch: And so it goes on. And yet people somehow think this guy is on top of things, honest and genuine guy. I mean this guy is another typical Chicago politician who's a crooked as a $3 bill


Thanks for mailing that in.
 
2013-05-20 09:58:26 AM

LowbrowDeluxe: PreMortem: jedihirsch: And so it goes on. And yet people somehow think this guy is on top of things, honest and genuine guy. I mean this guy is another typical Chicago politician who's a crooked as a $3 bill

FTA:  Privacy protections limit searching or seizing a reporter's work, but not when there is evidence that the journalist broke the law against unauthorized leaks. A federal judge signed off on the search warrant - agreeing that there was probable cause that Rosen was a co-conspirator.


Reading is hard, for you anyway.

Someone should just quote this every 4th or 5th post in this thread.  There really isn't a whole lot else to be said.


No, this should be.

Aarontology: It's amazing how for the past 12 years the government has had the power to do the exact same thing to citizens with the total compliance and silence of the media, but the moment the same things happen to them, they raise a stink.

 
2013-05-20 09:59:16 AM
All of these "scandals" that have "exploded" over last few weeks make me think of all the sharks from Shark Week in a frenzy over a Slim Jim wrapper.
 
2013-05-20 10:00:23 AM

PreMortem: jedihirsch: And so it goes on. And yet people somehow think this guy is on top of things, honest and genuine guy. I mean this guy is another typical Chicago politician who's a crooked as a $3 bill

FTA:  Privacy protections limit searching or seizing a reporter's work, but not when there is evidence that the journalist broke the law against unauthorized leaks. A federal judge signed off on the search warrant - agreeing that there was probable cause that Rosen was a co-conspirator.

Reading is hard, for you anyway.


But that raises the issue what what news organizations can and cannot leak. The US government has done lots of legal but morally wrong things in the past. In the future should news organizations be prosecuted because they report on secret and legal but morally corrupt activities?
 
2013-05-20 10:00:31 AM
So remember.  If you ever decide to give an anonymous tip, fark it.  Let the criminal get away
 
2013-05-20 10:00:40 AM
www.bartleby.com

The Dems have found their Nixon.
 
2013-05-20 10:00:41 AM
They had a warrant, which makes it completely different in my book.
 
2013-05-20 10:01:03 AM
"Tapping"?
 
2013-05-20 10:01:17 AM
Come on Fark, admit that your hero is capable of making a mistake.
 
2013-05-20 10:01:48 AM

Bendal: Oh, you don't like it because a Democrat is using the bill you pushed through Congress. Well, that makes all the difference, doesn't it?


You may want to go back and look at the actual vote before making such a claim. The PATRIOT act was as bipartisan as it gets. While you're at it, take a look at who was in charge when it was renewed.

/no it doesn't
//the Patriot Act sucks whether a (D) or (R) is using it


Yes it does, so maybe you should cut the partisan horseshiat so we can work together to do something about it.
 
2013-05-20 10:02:29 AM
Subpoena phone records!=tapping.

For some reason I keep seeing people who want to be really angry about this "confuse" the two

Wonder why they keep doing that?

Is it because it sounds a whole lot worse?
 
2013-05-20 10:02:32 AM
"Hi. I'm from the government. We just killed 8 kajillion brown people in Bumfarkistan. But they we're going to say that they were all terrorists, even the 4 year olds, so that means if you report on it we're going to throw your ass in jail. Kthxbai. FREEDOM!"
 
2013-05-20 10:03:01 AM

cwolf20: So remember.  If you ever decide to give an anonymous tip, fark it.  Let the criminal get away


If you obtained the tip through illegal means, you shouldn't be surprised if law enforcement starts looking into it.

Where did we get the idea that reporting something to the news media somehow confers immunity from prosecution?
 
2013-05-20 10:03:09 AM

Aarontology: SilentStrider: And no one is proposing taking that power away from the executive branch. They're just mad the blah guy is using it.

As a general rule, that's how you can tell how full of shiat people are.

When there's more time spent on assigning blame and rabble rousing instead of taking action to make sure it can't happen again, you can tell that the people upset about it aren't that upset.


They are only upset because now its THEM. They had no issue with it when it was other people. Although, most of the time, people don't care too much about something until it affects them in some way.

And they are so outraged, they should push this law to be repealed.
 
2013-05-20 10:03:28 AM
Great, Obama.  This means that I will have to endure about a jillion loony emails from my GFs Mom.  And they won't be snopes-killable.  Thanks for giving her legitimacy.

/I'm forwarding it to the whitehouse spam filter out of spite.
//grumble grumble grumble
 
2013-05-20 10:08:07 AM
Hey, Subby, you ignorant slut, obtaining phone records is not the same as phone tapping.
The records only show what calls were made, phone tapping means listening in on the actual conversations.
It may be a minor point, but these are two very different levels of intrusion.
 
2013-05-20 10:08:31 AM

Bendal: Everything that has been reported the government has done to media outlets was authorized under the Patriot Act. In the past they got court orders to look at civilian phone and email records, now they're doing it to media outlets, and suddenly people are outraged? It's all legal and written down in black and white, and a judge signed off on it. Don't like it, conservatives? Go ahead and amend and/or repeal the Patriot Act, then.

Oh, you don't like it because a Democrat is using the bill you pushed through Congress. Well, that makes all the difference, doesn't it?

/no it doesn't
//the Patriot Act sucks whether a (D) or (R) is using it


Whats this "you" stuff. Since when is the AP and the Washington Post part of the vast right wing conspiracy?

/I have no problem with this story as it is. They were investigating a crime.
 
2013-05-20 10:09:34 AM

fireclown: Great, Obama.  This means that I will have to endure about a jillion loony emails from my GFs Mom.  And they won't be snopes-killable.  Thanks for giving her legitimacy.

/I'm forwarding it to the whitehouse spam filter out of spite.
//grumble grumble grumble


Is that code for fl­a­g­[nospam-﹫-backwards]e­suohe­tih­w*go­v?
 
2013-05-20 10:10:35 AM

SlothB77: [www.bartleby.com image 246x300]

The Dems have found their Nixon.


You know, funny you should say that because when all this broke I was laughing my ass off that Obama's basically pulled a page from Nixon's playbook. The GOP could never pull anything like that off anymore because most of their people are too goddamn dumb. Nixon was smarter than hell and pretty awesome. So is Obama.

Basically, Obama's just a way better Nixonion politician than any of the clowns currently in Republican positions of power. And I love it.

Even Nixon's happy that somebody can finally  live up to his legacy of dirty tricks, massive foreign policy success and legislation that redefines America:

www.onepennysheet.com

Face it righties, Obama's kicking your ass six ways from Sunday using your own goddamn playbook. You're just too damn dumb to follow it.
 
2013-05-20 10:12:08 AM

Bendal: Everything that has been reported the government has done to media outlets was authorized under the Patriot Act. In the past they got court orders to look at civilian phone and email records, now they're doing it to media outlets, and suddenly people are outraged? It's all legal and written down in black and white, and a judge signed off on it. Don't like it, conservatives? Go ahead and amend and/or repeal the Patriot Act, then.

Oh, you don't like it because a Democrat is using the bill you pushed through Congress. Well, that makes all the difference, doesn't it?

/no it doesn't
//the Patriot Act sucks whether a (D) or (R) is using it


Why do you assume that everyone critical of how the DoJ handled the AP investigation is conservative? The vast majority of both parties support the Patriot Act. Republicans in the House and Senate have largely defended the Administration's heavy-handed dealing with the AP.  You are correct that the Patriot Act sucks. That's all that needs to be said, but this partisan excuse making isn't going to solve anything.
 
2013-05-20 10:12:18 AM
A subpoena is not a wiretap.

Seeking a warrant and getting one issued because of suspected wrong-doing is not "spying".

Engaging in legally authorized activities is not the same as engaging in illegal activities.

Going through proper channels, by the book, is not the same thing as "getting caught doing something wrong".

(And pointing out these stunningly obvious facts does not make me some starry-eyed fanboi cultist.)

That is all.
 
2013-05-20 10:13:14 AM

Callous: LowbrowDeluxe: PreMortem: jedihirsch: And so it goes on. And yet people somehow think this guy is on top of things, honest and genuine guy. I mean this guy is another typical Chicago politician who's a crooked as a $3 bill

FTA:  Privacy protections limit searching or seizing a reporter's work, but not when there is evidence that the journalist broke the law against unauthorized leaks. A federal judge signed off on the search warrant - agreeing that there was probable cause that Rosen was a co-conspirator.


Reading is hard, for you anyway.

Someone should just quote this every 4th or 5th post in this thread.  There really isn't a whole lot else to be said.

No, this should be.

Aarontology: It's amazing how for the past 12 years the government has had the power to do the exact same thing to citizens with the total compliance and silence of the media, but the moment the same things happen to them, they raise a stink.


also of the GOP don't like this stuff they should have voted for the media shield law. not that it would have stopped this incident here but it might have made the govt jump through a few more hoops in the AP case.
 
2013-05-20 10:13:20 AM
Fox News has "sources"? I thought they pull all their stories out of their own asses.
 
2013-05-20 10:14:28 AM
The funny thing is that it was probably legal, and the outraged conservatives won't ever support the necessary changes to nat. security exceptions that would make it illegal.
 
2013-05-20 10:14:40 AM
Also, in the instance of the AP, a judge did not sign off on the subpoenas. A clerk did, and the subpoenas were to the phone companies and the AP was not made aware of this until after the information had been turned over by the phone companies to the DoJ. Most subpoenae are signed by the clerk of court and a judge will only see it if some sort of motion is filed later in connection with it.
 
2013-05-20 10:15:43 AM

SlothB77: Now FoxNews is gonna come after him.


that may be one of the funniest things i've ever read on fark. so simple. so elegant. so... genius!
 
2013-05-20 10:16:32 AM
www2.b3ta.com
Nixon with charisma?
 
2013-05-20 10:16:42 AM

Bendal: Everything that has been reported the government has done to media outlets was authorized under the Patriot Act. In the past they got court orders to look at civilian phone and email records, now they're doing it to media outlets, and suddenly people are outraged? It's all legal and written down in black and white, and a judge signed off on it. Don't like it, conservatives? Go ahead and amend and/or repeal the Patriot Act, then.

Oh, you don't like it because a Democrat is using the bill you pushed through Congress. Well, that makes all the difference, doesn't it?

/no it doesn't
//the Patriot Act sucks whether a (D) or (R) is using it



Pretty much that. Fark the "Patriot" Act its as useful as a "jobs" bill.
And like so many have said they are not listening in just seeing who the called......as far as we know so far.
 
2013-05-20 10:18:18 AM
"Congress shall make no law . . . abridging the freedom. . . of the press;"


Freedom to do what exactly? Print anything?  What about encryption keys to people's bank accounts?
 
2013-05-20 10:18:48 AM

SlothB77: The Dems have found their Nixon.


David Gregory gave Peg Noonan a pretty good slapdown yesterday when she said these were the worst abuses she'd ever seen by pointing out that Pegs used to work for Nixon
 
2013-05-20 10:18:56 AM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: But that raises the issue what what news organizations can and cannot leak. The US government has done lots of legal but morally wrong things in the past. In the future should news organizations be prosecuted because they report on secret and legal but morally corrupt activities?


I believe the court cases related to Watergate and the Pentagon Papers settled that.  The press can report on evidence of wrongdoing.  They can't report on classified information just because.
 
2013-05-20 10:19:00 AM
Meet the New Boss, same as the Old Boss.

I for one, am shocked, shocked, I say, to find evidence that the POUSA is a crook.
Some might say, just a paid actor following instructions from the same Real Boss as all the rest of the dickheads.
I mean, just look at the trash carried for 50 years.

Remember, if voting changed anything real, it would be illegal.
 
2013-05-20 10:20:23 AM

SilentStrider: Aarontology: It's amazing how for the past 12 years the government has had the power to do the exact same thing to citizens with the total compliance and silence of the media, but the moment the same things happen to them, they raise a stink.

And no one is proposing taking that power away from the executive branch. They're just mad the blah guy is using it.


Yep, got to be race.  No other possible reason.

Put your nose in the corner for an hour and think about what you did.
 
2013-05-20 10:22:30 AM
A leak from the government outed a deep cover operative who was thiiissss close to a master bomb maker.  The intel lost from this leak damaged our effort to fight terrorism.  So, do conservatives support going after the leaker or not?  What would they do different if they were in power is a great question that no one seems to be asking.
 
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