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2013-05-20 09:40:25 AM  
Not strange.
They knew the report was coming out.
So they dumped the news on Friday naively hoping that people won't notice or that they would get credit for being "honest" and straightforward about it.
Bonus points is that they could plant the spin about it just being a silly old regional office.
 
2013-05-20 09:44:39 AM  
Is Lois Lerner a Republican?
 
2013-05-20 09:44:53 AM  
Let's see where she gets a job when this settles down.
 
2013-05-20 09:49:38 AM  
Like when Dwight Gooden told the Mets to drug test him?

Audit her.
 
2013-05-20 10:00:51 AM  
The heart of this scandal is that folks were applying for tax free status to operate a political action group, and were essentially running a tax dodge. That they were approved IS a scandal.

Just not the one that folks think it is.
 
2013-05-20 10:09:00 AM  
let's see if we can't figure this out:

1) republicans cut IRS budget by a billion dollars
2) citizens united causes a massive influx of new applications for 501(c)(4) status
3) the vast majority of requests are from conservative groups
4) to ease the workload, some genius in the cincinnati office figures out that doing a keyword search for "tea party" and "patriot" will likely flag most of these requests for the scrutiny they require
5) ???
6) SCANDAL
 
2013-05-20 10:13:41 AM  

hubiestubert: The heart of this scandal is that folks were applying for tax free status to operate a political action group, and were essentially running a tax dodge. That they were approved IS a scandal.

Just not the one that folks think it is.



Obama has made the strategic choice to throw the IRS under the bus for doing their job à la  Sherrod, VanJones, and ACORN.  Retarded illustration of just how broken this nation is.
 
2013-05-20 10:31:11 AM  

AeAe: Is Lois Lerner a Republican?


She is a Bush administration appointee (2005).

Link
 
2013-05-20 10:31:48 AM  

DarnoKonrad: hubiestubert: The heart of this scandal is that folks were applying for tax free status to operate a political action group, and were essentially running a tax dodge. That they were approved IS a scandal.

Just not the one that folks think it is.


Obama has made the strategic choice to throw the IRS under the bus for doing their job à la  Sherrod, VanJones, and ACORN.  Retarded illustration of just how broken this nation is.


or he is picking his battles. none on those had any real negative to obama but all hurt us due to how they were handled. when i hear "obama is mad about" or "obama to get tough on" i know it's something that has overwhelming support nationally and also doesn't really mean much in the vast scheme of things.

yeah i voted for him twice, didn't you.
 
2013-05-20 10:35:20 AM  

Curious: DarnoKonrad: hubiestubert: The heart of this scandal is that folks were applying for tax free status to operate a political action group, and were essentially running a tax dodge. That they were approved IS a scandal.

Just not the one that folks think it is.


Obama has made the strategic choice to throw the IRS under the bus for doing their job à la  Sherrod, VanJones, and ACORN.  Retarded illustration of just how broken this nation is.

or he is picking his battles. none on those had any real negative to obama but all hurt us due to how they were handled. when i hear "obama is mad about" or "obama to get tough on" i know it's something that has overwhelming support nationally and also doesn't really mean much in the vast scheme of things.

yeah i voted for him twice, didn't you.



I agree it's politically expedient -- but it comes at the cost of creating a new tax loop hole for partisan political organizations to exploit.
 
2013-05-20 10:39:56 AM  

Delay: AeAe: Is Lois Lerner a Republican?

She is a Bush administration appointee (2005). Link


Where does it say that she was appointed by the bush administration?
 
2013-05-20 10:49:02 AM  
Not sure why "subby" put "quotations" around "scandal."
 
2013-05-20 10:56:28 AM  

enik: Not sure why "subby" put "quotations" around "scandal."


um... because it's not a scandal? just a thought.
 
2013-05-20 11:06:11 AM  

DarnoKonrad: hubiestubert: The heart of this scandal is that folks were applying for tax free status to operate a political action group, and were essentially running a tax dodge. That they were approved IS a scandal.

Just not the one that folks think it is.


Obama has made the strategic choice to throw the IRS under the bus for doing their job à la  Sherrod, VanJones, and ACORN.  Retarded illustration of just how broken this nation is.


This. He loses nothing from that gambit, versus the shiatstorm if he was plain about the facts.

Mr. President, it's time. Round up all the right wing reactionaries and send them to re-education camps, install revolutionary governments in all red states, and execute Congress for treason.
 
2013-05-20 11:08:29 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Delay: AeAe: Is Lois Lerner a Republican?

She is a Bush administration appointee (2005). Link

Where does it say that she was appointed by the bush administration?


Here:  http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/05/14/irs-scandal-s-centra l -figure-lois-lerner-described-as-apolitical.html
 
2013-05-20 11:09:36 AM  
That's like driving around with a bumper sticker"

Ask Me Where the Bodies Are Buried
 
2013-05-20 11:09:44 AM  

enik: Not sure why "subby" put "quotations" around "scandal."


According the Treasury's Inspector General, Lerner had a briefing on the issue on June 29, 2011, in which she was told about the BOLO ("Be On the Look Out") criteria that included words such as "tea party" or "patriots." The Treasury's Inspector General report says Lerner raised concerns about the wording and "instructed that the criteria be immediately revised." She continued to be heavily involved in the issue in the months preceding the new reports, according to the timeline.
"I don't believe anybody has asked me that question before."

 

This was Lerner's excuse during the media call on May 10, for why she had not addressed the issue before.


So, Lerner was fibbing when she believed that a random ABA meeting question prompted the disclosure. We now know Lerner planted the question.

 
2013-05-20 11:18:49 AM  
astroturf
 
2013-05-20 11:27:03 AM  

enik: Not sure why "subby" put "quotations" around "scandal."


Because it's not a scandal. At least not in the way Republicans want. If anything is a scandal, it's the conservative political groups applying for tax-exempt status. But heaven forbid someone call them out on that aspect. Until that happens, this is not a scandal. This is a "scandal" in that its damning only in the minds of Republicans

/subby
 
2013-05-20 11:29:15 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: So they dumped the news on Friday


And we all know how well Take Out The Trash Day works...  ;)
 
2013-05-20 11:31:27 AM  

FlashHarry: let's see if we can't figure this out:

1) republicans cut IRS budget by a billion dollars
2) citizens united causes a massive influx of new applications for 501(c)(4) status
3) the vast majority of requests are from conservative groups
4) to ease the workload, some genius in the cincinnati office figures out that doing a keyword search for "tea party" and "patriot" will likely flag most of these requests for the scrutiny they require
5) ???
6) SCANDAL


5) Delay processing of application, ask for unneeded information (some of which was a clear no-no), release confidential information about the groups to the public

Yes its scandal and black eye for the IRS no matter how much you wanna keep lying and telling yourself its not just because you don't like the tea tards
 
2013-05-20 11:32:27 AM  
A manufactured scandal is manufactured? No...........
 
2013-05-20 11:32:47 AM  

somedude210: enik: Not sure why "subby" put "quotations" around "scandal."

Because it's not a scandal. At least not in the way Republicans want. If anything is a scandal, it's the conservative political groups applying for tax-exempt status. But heaven forbid someone call them out on that aspect. Until that happens, this is not a scandal. This is a "scandal" in that its damning only in the minds of Republicans

/subby


Especially considering that the groups were approved. They just had to wait for the money laundering to begin. And shocked, shocked, shocked that they might be questioned from their high minded purposes to do anything so shallow and low as use that tax free status to shill, despite their politically charged names and purposes...
 
2013-05-20 11:34:58 AM  

ShadowKamui: 5) Delay processing of application, ask for unneeded information (some of which was a clear no-no), release confidential information about the groups to the public

Yes its scandal and black eye for the IRS no matter how much you wanna keep lying and telling yourself its not just because you don't like the tea tards


wait, which confidential information was released to the public? And what constitutes unneeded information that is different from the information asked for from the non-conservative groups? Delays happened, yes, but that's the only "damnable" aspect of this.

no, it's not a scandal and a "cry wolf" moment for the GOP no matter how much you wanna keep lying and see the democrat in the white house replaced by a tea tard
 
2013-05-20 11:36:20 AM  

hubiestubert: Especially considering that the groups were approved. They just had to wait for the money laundering to begin. And shocked, shocked, shocked that they might be questioned from their high minded purposes to do anything so shallow and low as use that tax free status to shill, despite their politically charged names and purposes...


do you think it's possible to find some legitimate journalists to start asking questions about this at GOP press conferences? Seems only fair, I mean if the GOP really does believe there's a scandal

/I'm just asking questions
 
2013-05-20 11:37:37 AM  

ShadowKamui: Yes its scandal and black eye for the IRS no matter how much you wanna keep lying and telling yourself its not just because you don't like the tea tards


i agree that it's a black eye for the IRS. i agree that it's wrong to use political association to profile groups. but this isn't a scandal - not yet. and no matter how you guys rage and spit, it's not going to touch the president.
 
2013-05-20 11:43:35 AM  

somedude210: hubiestubert: Especially considering that the groups were approved. They just had to wait for the money laundering to begin. And shocked, shocked, shocked that they might be questioned from their high minded purposes to do anything so shallow and low as use that tax free status to shill, despite their politically charged names and purposes...

do you think it's possible to find some legitimate journalists to start asking questions about this at GOP press conferences? Seems only fair, I mean if the GOP really does believe there's a scandal

/I'm just asking questions


Crap, no. It's far easier to go with the flow, and this scandal keeps page views rolling, ad revenue flowing. It's generated Sturm und Drang, and that means continued fodder, which means a narrative can be created.

Which is the problem. We don't have news much any more. We have narrative. We have storytelling. We have writers who want to create drama, as opposed to journalists. Reality is a subjective term at this point, depending entirely upon viewpoint, and while the facts don't change, folks are willing to step up and spin them, to show them from angles and create a fiction that is convenient. Cripes: look at climate change information. Look at jobs numbers. Look at military spending. No one wants to look at anything in a way that is objective, because we have a public that is media illiterate at this point, despite constant inundation of information, because it folks were actually able, by and large, to filter through the deluge of constant "factoids" and see a larger picture, we'd have Congresscritters at the end of ropes and lobbying houses in flames.
 
2013-05-20 11:56:35 AM  

lilbjorn: tenpoundsofcheese: Delay: AeAe: Is Lois Lerner a Republican?

She is a Bush administration appointee (2005). Link

Where does it say that she was appointed by the bush administration?

Here:  http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/05/14/irs-scandal-s-centra l -figure-lois-lerner-described-as-apolitical.html


Appointed during =/= political appointee.

There are only 2 political positions at the Internal Revenue Service: (1) Chief Counsel and (2) Commissioner. Everyone else is career.
 
2013-05-20 12:03:12 PM  

hubiestubert: Which is the problem. We don't have news much any more. We have narrative. We have storytelling. We have writers who want to create drama, as opposed to journalists. Reality is a subjective term at this point, depending entirely upon viewpoint, and while the facts don't change, folks are willing to step up and spin them, to show them from angles and create a fiction that is convenient. Cripes: look at climate change information. Look at jobs numbers. Look at military spending. No one wants to look at anything in a way that is objective, because we have a public that is media illiterate at this point, despite constant inundation of information, because it folks were actually able, by and large, to filter through the deluge of constant "factoids" and see a larger picture, we'd have Congresscritters at the end of ropes and lobbying houses in flames.


Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?
 
2013-05-20 12:10:43 PM  

hubiestubert: The heart of this scandal is that folks were applying for tax free status to operate a political action group, and were essentially running a tax dodge. That they were approved IS a scandal.

Just not the one that folks think it is.


But let's pretend its about Obama being mean to the Teahadists anyway because why not.
 
2013-05-20 12:31:07 PM  

Gyrfalcon: hubiestubert: The heart of this scandal is that folks were applying for tax free status to operate a political action group, and were essentially running a tax dodge. That they were approved IS a scandal.

Just not the one that folks think it is.

But let's pretend its about Obama being mean to the Teahadists anyway because why not.


It's akin to being angry that you got stopped by a cop for a broken tail light, while you were rolling down the highway at 110 with a bale of weed, and three underage girls drinking Southern Comfort from the bottle in the back. HOW DARE THEY?
 
2013-05-20 12:57:37 PM  

FlashHarry: ShadowKamui: Yes its scandal and black eye for the IRS no matter how much you wanna keep lying and telling yourself its not just because you don't like the tea tards

i agree that it's a black eye for the IRS. i agree that it's wrong to use political association to profile groups. but this isn't a scandal - not yet. and no matter how you guys rage and spit, it's not going to touch the president.


I haven't voted for a Republican for higher office other than Hutchinson & the RR comish in over 10 years.  The leftwing derp brigade however needs to get their collective heads out of its asses, stop trying to circle the wagons for a bunch of bureaucratic aholes and/or idiots and stop cheering on authoritarian behavior cause they don't like the victim.  What the IRS did was seriously wrong and yes this is a scandal for the IRS not Obama.  Though it does go w/ the point that Obama has some seriously stupid people working under him
 
2013-05-20 01:17:46 PM  
The bigger scandals are 1.  Why is the IRS looking at there qualifications to be tax exempt, if there just approving everyone.

2.  Why are political organizations tax exempt.
 
2013-05-20 01:24:46 PM  

maudibjr: 2. Why are political organizations tax exempt.


That's the real scandal.

The section of the tax code sought by the tea party groups was established for the benefit of groups that promote social welfare, generally nonprofit operations.
They're not supposed to be "primarily" political.
 
2013-05-20 01:35:40 PM  

maudibjr: The bigger scandals are 1.  Why is the IRS looking at there qualifications to be tax exempt, if there just approving everyone.

2.  Why are political organizations tax exempt.

 
2013-05-20 01:37:40 PM  

Delay: AeAe: Is Lois Lerner a Republican?

She is a Bush administration appointee (2005). Link


ORLY? FTA, "Lerner came to the IRS in 2001 from the Federal Election Commission"
 
2013-05-20 01:37:54 PM  

hubiestubert: It's akin to being angry that you got stopped by a cop for a broken tail light, while you were rolling down the highway at 110 with a bale of weed, and three underage girls drinking Southern Comfort from the bottle in the back. HOW DARE THEY?



They weren't even stopped by the cops.

To reword your analogy:
The IRS are the police running a DUI checkpoint. The tea party is the driver of a car covered in pro-pot bumperstickers who pulls up to the cops while smoking a handrolled tobacco cigarette. The driver is then outraged, OUTRAGED that the cops made him stop and roll down his window for a good sniff before they waved him through.
 
2013-05-20 02:08:10 PM  

Obama's Reptiloid Master: DarnoKonrad: hubiestubert: The heart of this scandal is that folks were applying for tax free status to operate a political action group, and were essentially running a tax dodge. That they were approved IS a scandal.

Just not the one that folks think it is.


Obama has made the strategic choice to throw the IRS under the bus for doing their job à la  Sherrod, VanJones, and ACORN.  Retarded illustration of just how broken this nation is.

This. He loses nothing from that gambit, versus the shiatstorm if he was plain about the facts.

Mr. President, it's time. Round up all the right wing reactionaries and send them to re-education camps, install revolutionary governments in all red states, and execute Congress for treason.


We get it, all who disagree with you must be punished for treason.
 
2013-05-20 02:12:15 PM  
I think the real outrage here is not from the "tea party" and "patriot" groups.

Yeah, like good little lemmings they are screaming their heads off about it but, as we seem to be clear on, they don't seem to have missed a day of tax exemption.

Sure, the uncertainty of whether the exemption status meant that if they didn't pass muster they would of had to pony up at the end off the process.

The real "scandal" here is that while they waited I am sure big money donors sat on the side least their names be made public.

That's where the real ire comes from.

The donors

If they didn't have to wait to funnel money, the ads buys would have rolled out quicker. It's the tea party's new theory on why they lost yet another election.
 
2013-05-20 07:00:24 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: Like when Dwight Gooden told the Mets to drug test him?

Audit her.


imageshack.us
 
2013-05-20 07:57:45 PM  

tbeatty: Delay: AeAe: Is Lois Lerner a Republican?

She is a Bush administration appointee (2005). Link

ORLY? FTA, "Lerner came to the IRS in 2001 from the Federal Election Commission"


If you're trying to defend Republicans on this one, you  just might want to think about what you just wrote.
 
2013-05-21 01:37:18 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Let's see where she gets a job when this settles down.


That will, indeed, be interesting.
 
2013-05-21 02:50:05 AM  
Lerner planting the question so she could be on record as saying basically "Yeah, I saw that shiat and I took action to stop it" in order to try to and get out in advance of the oncoming GOP derpstorm is hardly strange.

It's what a bureaucratic lifer would and did do.
 
2013-05-21 04:34:00 AM  

that bosnian sniper: tbeatty: Delay: AeAe: Is Lois Lerner a Republican?

She is a Bush administration appointee (2005). Link

ORLY? FTA, "Lerner came to the IRS in 2001 from the Federal Election Commission"

If you're trying to defend Republicans on this one, you  just might want to think about what you just wrote.


You think the Clinton hired her for the FEC or are are you smart enough to realize she was never appointed and her hiring is not political?
 
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