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(BBC)   Men with iron bar rob UK delivery van. Inanimate carbon rod vows to bring the perps to justice. In rod we trust   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 26
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2013-05-20 08:49:04 AM
Rod Stewart sought for assistance with enquiries.
 
2013-05-20 08:51:19 AM
So a man walks into a bar...

(sorry)
 
2013-05-20 08:52:31 AM
It goes without saying that now they need to ban iron bars. Since getting rid of guns and knives worked so well in stopping crime.
 
2013-05-20 08:54:40 AM
"The security guard was left shaken, but not injured."

Was he stirred?
 
2013-05-20 08:55:40 AM

Random Guy: It goes without saying that now they need to ban iron bars. Since getting rid of guns and knives worked so well in stopping crime.


But then only the criminals will have iron bars.
 
2013-05-20 08:57:58 AM
This guy?

www.madmaxmovies.com


pic is borrowed
 
2013-05-20 08:59:41 AM
www.parl.gc.ca
'All in favor of the ban on all metal bars with more strength than an aluminum can, say Aye.'
'The motion is passed, now onto cricket bats, garden hoes and...'
 
2013-05-20 09:03:04 AM

Darkrover2: 'All in favor of the ban on all metal bars with more strength than an aluminum can, say Aye.'
'The motion is passed, now onto cricket bats, garden hoes and...'


Making scary faces?
 
2013-05-20 09:04:13 AM

Random Guy: Since getting rid of guns and knives worked so well in stopping crime.


Psssst.  This hasn't happened.  Stop getting your opinions on other countries from Fark and The Simpsons.
 
2013-05-20 09:05:06 AM

Random Guy: It goes without saying that now they need to ban iron bars. Since getting rid of guns and knives worked so well in stopping crime.


You do realize what you are suggesting is something they already consider to be a viable idea...


/Their crazy train left the station a long time ago.
 
2013-05-20 09:09:25 AM

way south: Random Guy: It goes without saying that now they need to ban iron bars. Since getting rid of guns and knives worked so well in stopping crime.

You do realize what you are suggesting is something they already consider to be a viable idea...


/Their crazy train left the station a long time ago.


Really?
 
2013-05-20 09:16:30 AM
Why would anyone oppose common sense metal bar regulation?  All we are asking is that you pass a $100 safety course, pay $100 and submit 3 notarized character references,  make an appointment for a face to face interview with the police chief,  then wait 6 months for us to do a background check and to approve your permit.  then pass another background check everytime you buy a metal bar.  And if you are trying to buy a metal bar from your friend, family member or neighbor go to a licensed metal bar dealer and pay him a fee to run the background check you've already passed many times.

Surely no one sees any of that of as infringement of their rights.  It's not like we're asking you for ID to vote, that would be intimidating and can only be intended to dissuade people from exercising their right.
 
2013-05-20 09:19:31 AM
ROD POLE
 
2013-05-20 09:24:13 AM
images.wikia.com
Really, Fark? I expected this as the Boobies.
 
2013-05-20 09:26:05 AM
When a metal bar is developed the sole purpose of which is to send multiple projectiles with lethal energy over a substantial distance the comparison with firearms will be valid. Until then? Not so much. As to regulation dissuading people from ownership of firearms? Relatively onerous requirements to legally drive and register automobiles don't appear to have put people off.
 
2013-05-20 09:37:02 AM

The Envoy: way south: Random Guy: It goes without saying that now they need to ban iron bars. Since getting rid of guns and knives worked so well in stopping crime.

You do realize what you are suggesting is something they already consider to be a viable idea...


/Their crazy train left the station a long time ago.

Really?


Really. The 53' prevention of crime act.
If they deem one of their subjects had no reasonable purpose for carrying an iron bar (or a screwdriver for that matter) then they can give that person four years in the pen.
 
2013-05-20 09:40:39 AM

FarkinNortherner: When a metal bar is developed the sole purpose of which is to send multiple projectiles with lethal energy over a substantial distance the comparison with firearms will be valid. Until then? Not so much. As to regulation dissuading people from ownership of firearms? Relatively onerous requirements to legally drive and register automobiles don't appear to have put people off.


You don't have a Constitutional right to drive a car on public roads.  But you can buy or build a car and drive it on private property all you want without a registration, insurance or licence.
 
2013-05-20 09:43:30 AM

way south: The Envoy: way south: Random Guy: It goes without saying that now they need to ban iron bars. Since getting rid of guns and knives worked so well in stopping crime.

You do realize what you are suggesting is something they already consider to be a viable idea...


/Their crazy train left the station a long time ago.

Really?

Really. The 53' prevention of crime act.
If they deem one of their subjects had no reasonable purpose for carrying an iron bar (or a screwdriver for that matter) then they can give that person four years in the pen.


Wrong.  You probably should read it a bit more closely.  Do you agree that guns and knives have already been banned in the UK?
 
2013-05-20 09:55:03 AM

Random Guy: It goes without saying that now they need to ban iron bars. Since getting rid of guns and knives worked so well in stopping crime.


No one got shot.
 
2013-05-20 09:59:07 AM

The Envoy: way south: The Envoy: way south: Random Guy: It goes without saying that now they need to ban iron bars. Since getting rid of guns and knives worked so well in stopping crime.

You do realize what you are suggesting is something they already consider to be a viable idea...


/Their crazy train left the station a long time ago.

Really?

Really. The 53' prevention of crime act.
If they deem one of their subjects had no reasonable purpose for carrying an iron bar (or a screwdriver for that matter) then they can give that person four years in the pen.

Wrong.  You probably should read it a bit more closely.  Do you agree that guns and knives have already been banned in the UK?


They effectively are.
Getting a gun permit is a nightmare and anything but "domestic knives" are prohibited for sale without a license. People are going to jail for carrying things we wouldn't even consider a weapon in the US.

If someone possessing an iron bar can be arrested and jailed then it makes little difference if the item is banned by letter of the law. It's just a formality waiting for the right political nanny to propose it.
 
2013-05-20 10:13:46 AM

way south: They effectively are.
Getting a gun permit is a nightmare and anything but "domestic knives" are prohibited for sale without a license. People are going to jail for carrying things we wouldn't even consider a weapon in the US.

If someone possessing an iron bar can be arrested and jailed then it makes little difference if the item is banned by letter of the law. It's just a formality waiting for the right political nanny to propose it.


Epically, mind-numbingly incorrect.  I'd be very interested to find out two things:
1) Your source for this "information"
2) The source for the belief that the information is correct, leading you to make an arse of yourself in public

Getting a shotgun licence is very, very easy.  Getting a firearms certificate is a bit more onerous but is by no means a "nightmare" unless you're a convicted criminal, mentally unstable or you're applying for a licence for a rifle when you live in Soho.  There are estimated to be approximately 4 million licenced guns held by the citizenry.

You can buy non-"domestic" knives everywhere - hardware stores, christ, even garden centres.  Who do you think needs a licence, the buyer or the seller?  WRONG.  The answer is "neither".

Provide a citation for someone being imprisoned for innocently carrying something that is not, and which they didn't intend to, or couldn't possibly have used as, a weapon.  For example, if you post a story about a guy being jailed for carrying a brick in a sock then that's not going to cut it.

So far, everything you've posted has been completely wrong.  Is this some kind of contest to appear to be the most ignorant person ITT?  If it is then you have my apologies, and congratulations for opening up what appears to be an almost unassailable lead.
 
2013-05-20 11:14:17 AM

way south: Getting a gun permit is a nightmare and anything but "domestic knives" are prohibited for sale without a license. People are going to jail for carrying things we wouldn't even consider a weapon in the US.


I read in an article about Terry Pratchett that he got a sword made with meteorite iron, but it's not actually legal for him to possess, as there's no exemption in the knife regulations for knights.
 
2013-05-20 11:17:55 AM

Englebert Slaptyback: This guy?

[www.madmaxmovies.com image 500x360]



www.wall321.com
Or maybe him.
 
2013-05-20 04:56:21 PM

The Envoy: You can buy non-"domestic" knives everywhere - hardware stores, christ, even garden centres.  Who do you think needs a licence, the buyer or the seller?  WRONG.  The answer is "neither".


Depends on where you are, but its a whole lotta someones being swept up in the crossfire.
With a push for new laws continuing, the authorities have pulled out all the stops to make their nation into a libertarian's nightmare.

...and your defense of this is "Its acceptable because not everything is illegal, yet".
Their law allows them to ban anything once they decide it can be used as a weapon. Meaning its merely a matter of time until blunt objects make the list.
 
2013-05-20 05:47:46 PM

whosits_112: [images.wikia.com image 230x219]
Really, Fark? I expected this as the Boobies.


In filter we trust.
 
2013-05-21 04:11:34 AM

way south: Depends on where you are, but its a whole lotta someones being swept up in the crossfire.
With a push for new laws continuing, the authorities have pulled out all the stops to make their nation into a libertarian's nightmare.

...and your defense of this is "Its acceptable because not everything is illegal, yet".
Their law allows them to ban anything once they decide it can be used as a weapon. Meaning its merely a matter of time until blunt objects make the list.


Firstly, Scotland is NOT the whole of the UK, so your first link disproves your original assertion.  Thanks.

Your second link is about people being caught carrying offensive weapons in public.  You'll notice that the word "machete" crops up?  That's not a small knife.  Yes, there are rules against carrying large knives around for no reason.  However, you should know that this does not mean one is automatically charged just for carrying a knife.  As per the Act you referred me to (which you demonstrated a flawed understanding of) one can carry knives if one has a reason - for example, it even states explicitly those for use in kitchen work, such as chef's knives.  You should also look at context - this was an ongoing operation by the Met to stop teenagers and gang members carrying knives, given the level of assault perpetrated using them.  The Met targeted school children and had a heavy presence in Brixton, Streatham and Peckham for instance - known for gang violence.  This was not a "stop and search EVERYONE!" policy, it was a targeted action designed to stop knife crime.  It's disappointing that you chose to misrepresent it to bolster your "argument".

Your third link - WOW.  I suppose I should thank you again, because all it does is further confirm my stance and underline your failure to understand the law here.  You will notice that the policeman, starting at around 1.00, says that they've categorised the pics: those in public and those who aren't.  He then quite clearly states that posessing these weapons within their own homes is not an offense.  Your use of a Youtube video as an attempt at proof is sad enough, that you failed to understand it is damning.

My defense is sound.  The issue here is that your offense is based on ignorance.  You quite clearly do not know what you're talking about.  The final statement about it being a "matter of time" until blunt objects are banned is staggering in its idiocy.  Not only is your initial premise deeply flawed, your extrapolations from it are too.  Setting aside your fundamental errors, stating unequivocally that something that is literally impossible will be codified in to law is moronic.  You should be ashamed of yourself but that presupposes an ability to admit when you're wrong and I don't believe that you're mature enough to do that.  If you were, you might have mentioned the whole "guns" thing that you were ridiculously wrong about but of course you didn't and went off on a different error-strewn tangent.

The message is simple: if you're going to make judgements and pronouncements, make sure you have a basic understanding of the issues, otherwise you end up being completely wrong and looking like a bit of a twat.  Cheers.
 
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