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(Mother Jones)   Does Obamacare not forcing employers to cover spouses matter? Short answer: "Yes" Long answer: "YEEEEEESSSssssss"   (motherjones.com) divider line 22
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2013-05-20 07:19:59 AM  
Problem: under Obamacare, employees are not required to cover spouses.
Not a problem?: the article never states that employers were required to do this pre-Obamacare, meaning the the PPACA didn't change anything in this regard.

Solution either way: single payer.
 
2013-05-20 09:17:00 AM  
Hopefully employers will stop offering health insurance at some point, and we can have a single payer system like other civilized nations.
 
2013-05-20 09:18:00 AM  
I cant wait until employers use this as an excuse to not cover employees' spouses.

Once it goes in to effect, the reactions will be epic.
 
2013-05-20 09:18:00 AM  
Employers offering health insurance should stop all together.  Universal health care should be implemented. Problem solved. Next issue.
 
2013-05-20 09:19:43 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Hopefully employers will stop offering health insurance at some point, and we can have a single payer system like other civilized nations.


My wife and I already buy outside of our employers, because it's the only way to get a halfway decent deal. The current system is straight retarded, yo.
 
2013-05-20 09:20:18 AM  

FarkedOver: Employers offering health insurance should stop all together.  Universal health care should be implemented. Problem solved. Next issue.


At one point, ' employers shouldn't be providing health care at all' was an actual right wing talking point, and a darn good one.
 
2013-05-20 09:22:41 AM  

MFAWG: FarkedOver: Employers offering health insurance should stop all together.  Universal health care should be implemented. Problem solved. Next issue.

At one point, ' employers shouldn't be providing health care at all' was an actual right wing talking point, and a darn good one.


Now it's frightening for businesses (and by extension the GOP) to even consider this because if employment isn't tied to benefits.... people might actually look for jobs they want to work at rather than working jobs they have to work at.
 
2013-05-20 09:23:45 AM  
If you are going to implement that, add a law requiring they pay me the extra they would spend to cover my nonexistent wife and kids, as I'm tired of being paid less based on my marital and family status.

Or screw it and get single payer.
 
2013-05-20 09:25:04 AM  
Employer based insurance is one of the dumbest ideas ever.

It f*cks the workers whose employers offer it , It f*cks the workers whose employers don't offer it, it f*cks the companies, it f*cks the under and unemployed, it f*cks the self employed, it f*cks contractors.
 
2013-05-20 09:32:02 AM  
I'm just going to say Single Payer and leave the thread
 
2013-05-20 09:32:47 AM  
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2013-05-20 09:37:04 AM  

Aarontology: Employer based insurance is one of the dumbest ideas ever.

It f*cks the workers whose employers offer it , It f*cks the workers whose employers don't offer it, it f*cks the companies, it f*cks the under and unemployed, it f*cks the self employed, it f*cks contractors.


Do you know WHY we have employer provided insurance. Wage caps from the 40s/50s caused employers to seek new ways of compensating employees.
 
2013-05-20 09:38:04 AM  

MindStalker: Do you know WHY we have employer provided insurance. Wage caps from the 40s/50s caused employers to seek new ways of compensating employees.


It was also part of a deal to ensure that we didn't end up with a single payer system or something like the British NHS which was too commie for the red scare times.
 
2013-05-20 09:38:31 AM  
Done in one. Was never a requirement.
 
2013-05-20 09:41:09 AM  
I'm sorry if you work for a health insurance company, but what you do for a living farking sucks.  Find a new line of work.  Your days are numbered.
 
2013-05-20 10:49:53 AM  

MindStalker: Aarontology: Employer based insurance is one of the dumbest ideas ever.

It f*cks the workers whose employers offer it , It f*cks the workers whose employers don't offer it, it f*cks the companies, it f*cks the under and unemployed, it f*cks the self employed, it f*cks contractors.

Do you know WHY we have employer provided insurance. Wage caps from the 40s/50s caused employers to seek new ways of compensating employees.


and now employers are seeking ways to not compensate.
 
2013-05-20 11:22:35 AM  

MindStalker: Do you know WHY we have employer provided insurance. Wage caps from the 40s/50s caused employers to seek new ways of compensating employees.


Source? My understanding was that it was an alternative promulgated to defuse the political impetus for a government run single-payer system, which big-business types considered too "Communist".
 
2013-05-20 12:20:11 PM  

FarkedOver: I'm sorry if you work for a health insurance company, but what you do for a living farking sucks.  Find a new line of work.  Your days are numbered.


They will go to work for the government replacement of private insurers.
 
2013-05-20 12:51:24 PM  

abb3w: MindStalker: Do you know WHY we have employer provided insurance. Wage caps from the 40s/50s caused employers to seek new ways of compensating employees.

Source? My understanding was that it was an alternative promulgated to defuse the political impetus for a government run single-payer system, which big-business types considered too "Communist".


According to wikipedia its both
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_insurance_in_the_United_States#T he _rise_of_employer-sponsored_coverage
Here's an NPR thing about it (no I didn't bother to read the NPR link, what am I a monster)
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=114045132
 
2013-05-20 01:45:32 PM  
My old company formerly covered myself, my wife, and my daughter. After we were bought out, the new company only covers myself and my daughter. In their words, they are not responsible for covering another company's employees. This was a few years before Obamacare.
 
2013-05-20 02:09:59 PM  

FarkedOver: I'm sorry if you work for a health insurance company, but what you do for a living farking sucks.  Find a new line of work.  Your days are numbered.


Serriously.  Why does my insurance company decide when I can get an MRI rather than my doctor?
 
2013-05-20 02:31:32 PM  

Graffito: Serriously. Why does my insurance company decide when I can get an MRI rather than my doctor?


Somewhere along the line, someone decided people would rather pay shiat tons of money to receive life saving treatment instead of croaking.

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