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2013-05-20 08:48:31 AM
Mandatory Jenny McCarthy body count website link

Unfortunately you can't just let Darwin takes its course on these morons either because it puts the rest of us in danger. The level of derp it must take...
 
2013-05-20 09:06:04 AM
Hey now, it was the UK that gave us that Andrew Wakefield idiot. They were patient zero for the whole vaccine stupidity.
 
2013-05-20 09:09:52 AM
Measles surging in UK as parents finally realize that Jenny McCarthy is a fooking coont Andrew Wakefield is a greedy child murdering sociopathic bastard.

/Jenny McCarthy is barely known over here
//Here is a clue - if you contract solicitors to sue the manufacturers of a vaccine before you conduct research into said vaccine, that suggests your scientific research isn't likely to be accurate and unbiased
 
2013-05-20 09:10:40 AM
I'd fook her coont. I can go crazy once without any problems right?
 
2013-05-20 09:19:52 AM

BumpInTheNight: Unfortunately you can't just let Darwin takes its course on these morons either because it puts the rest of us in danger.


Well, not if you've had your measles jab. You have had your measles jab right?
 
2013-05-20 09:19:55 AM
But Autism is down, right? So it's a win.
 
2013-05-20 09:31:26 AM
yeaaah, if someone would give jenny a swift kick to the head that'd be great. yeaaah.
 
2013-05-20 09:31:28 AM

King Keepo: BumpInTheNight: Unfortunately you can't just let Darwin takes its course on these morons either because it puts the rest of us in danger.

Well, not if you've had your measles jab. You have had your measles jab right?


Vaccine is not 100% effective, but herd immunity gives us the illusion that it is. In outbreaks, vaccinated patients get it from the unvaccinated subset.

Here is example of what happens when vaccine coverage drops from 99% to 93%. 10% of the cases were in vaccinated people.
http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/47/9/1143.long
 
2013-05-20 09:36:08 AM
I have a family friend who's wife jumped on the anti-vaccine bandwagon in a big way when their son was born. She wouldn't let him get vaccinated for anything. So he took him to a new doctor across town, got his shots done, and found a suitable bribe to keep the kid quiet. Now everybody's happy and nobody dies of measles.
 
2013-05-20 10:10:46 AM
McCarthy's an American problem.  UK has their own anti-vaxer crazies - they don't need any of ours.
 
2013-05-20 10:12:40 AM
This really kills the "only in America" meme that everyone was posting only a few weeks ago.
 
2013-05-20 10:20:03 AM
Okay, I have a conspiracy for you. Vaccine researchers wanted to study the effects on a population for what happens when a segment of it is no longer receiving immunizations. While it would be unethical to keep randomly selected people from receiving vaccinations, it may be possible to convince a significant chunk of the population to voluntarily opt-out of vaccination. Sure you have some self-selection, but to do a large-scale study like this, you're going to have to sacrifice some scientific ideals. The only problem is the experiment went to a much larger scale than originally anticipated and public health consequences greatly increased. Now the researchers are having to pull back and have since convinced their puppets in the anti-vax groups to soften on vaccines (to the degree to which they still control them). That's why it took over a decade to retract Wakefield's original paper when it should never have made it past the first review.
 
2013-05-20 10:41:22 AM

zipdog: Okay, I have a conspiracy for you. Vaccine researchers wanted to study the effects on a population for what happens when a segment of it is no longer receiving immunizations. While it would be unethical to keep randomly selected people from receiving vaccinations, it may be possible to convince a significant chunk of the population to voluntarily opt-out of vaccination. Sure you have some self-selection, but to do a large-scale study like this, you're going to have to sacrifice some scientific ideals. The only problem is the experiment went to a much larger scale than originally anticipated and public health consequences greatly increased. Now the researchers are having to pull back and have since convinced their puppets in the anti-vax groups to soften on vaccines (to the degree to which they still control them). That's why it took over a decade to retract Wakefield's original paper when it should never have made it past the first review.


No need. There's enough kooks in the population who won't vaccinate regardless. You could have utopia and there'd be a percentage of the population who'd want to sit in the rain and starve.
 
2013-05-20 10:56:26 AM

zipdog: Okay, I have a conspiracy for you. Vaccine researchers wanted to study the effects on a population for what happens when a segment of it is no longer receiving immunizations. While it would be unethical to keep randomly selected people from receiving vaccinations, it may be possible to convince a significant chunk of the population to voluntarily opt-out of vaccination. Sure you have some self-selection, but to do a large-scale study like this, you're going to have to sacrifice some scientific ideals. The only problem is the experiment went to a much larger scale than originally anticipated and public health consequences greatly increased. Now the researchers are having to pull back and have since convinced their puppets in the anti-vax groups to soften on vaccines (to the degree to which they still control them). That's why it took over a decade to retract Wakefield's original paper when it should never have made it past the first review.


The meth-filled paranoid zombie of Philip K. Dick bows respectfully.
 
2013-05-20 10:59:39 AM

lake_huron: King Keepo: BumpInTheNight: Unfortunately you can't just let Darwin takes its course on these morons either because it puts the rest of us in danger.

Well, not if you've had your measles jab. You have had your measles jab right?

Vaccine is not 100% effective, but herd immunity gives us the illusion that it is. In outbreaks, vaccinated patients get it from the unvaccinated subset.

Here is example of what happens when vaccine coverage drops from 99% to 93%. 10% of the cases were in vaccinated people.
http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/47/9/1143.long


I was put under quarantine in high school along with a handful of other students because our measles vaccinations were no longer good for various reasons. One girl had a bad batch overseas, mine was known to be vulnerable from the window I was vaccinated in on the east coast. I think one person hadn't ever had theirs. Anyway, we were removed to the football stadium until our parents could come get us. My mom took me to the doctor that day, but the school wasn't letting us back without the vaccination. My parents were more than happy to do it, both are very science minded (despite the religious batshiattery on my mom's side that she also shares) and were glad to know the vaccine was no longer good.

But I'm sure there's a lot of instances like this where people don't know. And that's a somewhat unavoidable risk, but refusing to vaccinate isn't an unavoidable risk. It's just farking stupid.

Now, there are exceptions. I was eligible for some vaccinations (due to my partner's work) back after 9/11 when they were doing that. I had zero interest in it. The risk of the vaccine wasn't worth it. But I was weighing the risk factors realistically. People look around and go 'oh no measles' and think they're safely determining risk factors. They're not. Additionally these vaccines are so safe your kid has better odds of dying by drowning in the toilet. Or being eaten by sharks.
 
2013-05-20 11:07:56 AM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: I have a family friend who's wife jumped on the anti-vaccine bandwagon in a big way when their son was born. She wouldn't let him get vaccinated for anything. So he took him to a new doctor across town, got his shots done, and found a suitable bribe to keep the kid quiet. Now everybody's happy and nobody dies of measles.


Hopefully he is divorcing that moon-bat and suing for full custody, as she is obviously a danger to the health and well-being of the child.
 
2013-05-20 11:10:39 AM
Some explain to me again how putting a cocktail of chemicals into a baby who's immune system is still developing is necessary?

/and we wouldn't need vaccines if you white folk didn't throw your shiat out the window back in the day...
 
2013-05-20 11:12:43 AM

Charlie Chingas: Some explain to me again how putting a cocktail of chemicals into a baby who's immune system is still developing is necessary?

/and we wouldn't need vaccines if you white folk didn't throw your shiat out the window back in the day...


You're talking about food right.. food?
 
2013-05-20 11:12:57 AM

Charlie Chingas: Some explain to me again how putting a cocktail of chemicals into a baby who's immune system is still developing is necessary?

/and we wouldn't need vaccines if you white folk didn't throw your shiat out the window back in the day...


The neat thing about science is you don't have to believe in it for it to still be true.  If you really want to educate yourself on how these sorts of initiatives work then by all means there is a gigantic knowledge base known as the internet.  I highly recommend start with the link I put into the Boobies of this thread, for instance.
 
2013-05-20 11:13:44 AM
hehehe, Boobies, fark filter I love you sometimes.
 
2013-05-20 11:15:24 AM
This also happened when then doctor, now unlicensed hack, Andrew Wakefield fabricated the results linking the MMR shot to autisim with his "tests" so he could sell the his own measles vaccine.
 
2013-05-20 11:30:06 AM
Had to restrain myself from ripping into a Facebook acquaintance the other day for posting a meme with the text "Why would my unvaccinated kids be a threat to your vaccinated kids if you're so sure vaccines work?"

THAT'S NOT HOW HERD IMMUNITY WORKS DAMMIT! And is it so hard to believe that I *gasp* might care about the welfare of kids other than my own?

I settled for linking to the Dana McCaffery story and leaving it at that.

/anti vaxxers piss me off to no end
 
2013-05-20 11:51:11 AM

meat0918: This also happened when then doctor, now unlicensed hack, Andrew Wakefield fabricated the results linking the MMR shot to autisim with his "tests" so he could sell the his own measles vaccine.


The actual findings as printed in the study were not all that outrageous or controversial - that they found a possible casual link between an bowel condition and the MMR vaccine in children with autism and that more research was needed. But then Wakefield got on TV and made a bunch of shiat up.

/study was also very flawed. Who the hell bases a medical study on 12 kids?!
 
2013-05-20 11:56:05 AM

Target Builder: meat0918: This also happened when then doctor, now unlicensed hack, Andrew Wakefield fabricated the results linking the MMR shot to autisim with his "tests" so he could sell the his own measles vaccine.

The actual findings as printed in the study were not all that outrageous or controversial - that they found a possible casual link between an bowel condition and the MMR vaccine in children with autism and that more research was needed. But then Wakefield got on TV and made a bunch of shiat up.

/study was also very flawed. Who the hell bases a medical study on 12 kids?!


The same kind of person that lets the study be funded by lawyers.
 
2013-05-20 12:20:56 PM
Fark is like a broken record with this. Get over it already.
 
2013-05-20 12:43:55 PM

BumpInTheNight: Mandatory Jenny McCarthy body count website link

Unfortunately you can't just let Darwin takes its course on these morons either because it puts the rest of us in danger. The level of derp it must take...


If your vaccinated how are you in danger?
 
2013-05-20 12:46:21 PM
In before the Fark Antivaxxer Brigade, amazingly enough.
 
2013-05-20 12:47:40 PM

spentshells: If your vaccinated how are you in danger?


Sorry your fingers are broken.
 
2013-05-20 12:49:31 PM

theorellior: In before the Fark Antivaxxer Brigade, amazingly enough.


You are two posts too late :P
 
2013-05-20 12:51:24 PM

BumpInTheNight: You are two posts too late :P


Oh, is Mr. Parnell an antivaxxer? Welcome to Loonie Lavender.
 
2013-05-20 12:51:52 PM
What if I don't want to? My choice right?
If your worried about me not being vaccinated and you are vaccinated and you can catch it from me then I guess you are not really vaccinated are you?

I feel no need to get needles unless I am going to die

Don't give me that my choice affects others because I know that and my choice also affects me.
 
2013-05-20 12:55:45 PM

spentshells: What if I don't want to? My choice right?
If your worried about me not being vaccinated and you are vaccinated and you can catch it from me then I guess you are not really vaccinated are you?

I feel no need to get needles unless I am going to die

Don't give me that my choice affects others because I know that and my choice also affects me.


If you really, truly understood that your choice affects others we wouldn't be having this conversation.
 
2013-05-20 12:59:15 PM

BumpInTheNight: spentshells: What if I don't want to? My choice right?
If your worried about me not being vaccinated and you are vaccinated and you can catch it from me then I guess you are not really vaccinated are you?

I feel no need to get needles unless I am going to die

Don't give me that my choice affects others because I know that and my choice also affects me.

If you really, truly understood that your choice affects others we wouldn't be having this conversation.


It's called evolution baby we gotta weed out the weak like yourself in order to form a strong army for the coming class war.

Totally kidding but seriously needles full of sickness and mercury that doesn't protect you from catching the disease/ virus from other people doesn't really seem worthwhile to my health.
 
2013-05-20 01:00:02 PM

spentshells: What if I don't want to? My choice right?


Sometimes there are tradeoffs between personal liberty and the good of society. If you don't believe me, stop moving your lawn and taking out your trash and try that excuse on your neighbors.
 
2013-05-20 01:01:56 PM

spentshells: Totally kidding but seriously needles full of sickness and mercury that doesn't protect you from catching the disease/ virus from other people doesn't really seem worthwhile to my health.


Brave talk coming from someone who's never seen a diphtheria epidemic or a polio ward.
 
2013-05-20 01:08:50 PM

spentshells: It's called evolution baby we gotta weed out the weak like yourself in order to form a strong army for the coming class war.

Totally kidding but seriously needles full of sickness and mercury that doesn't protect you from catching the disease/ virus from other people doesn't really seem worthwhile to my health.


I think we'll have to hammer down that definition of protecting you, a condom doesn't provide %100 immunity against babby forming either but if my goal was to avoid that while still procreating I'll sure as hell take its %99.something odds over shooting from the hip and hoping for the best ;)  Same for everything else it greatly enhances your odds of avoiding.
 
2013-05-20 01:16:20 PM

BumpInTheNight: spentshells: It's called evolution baby we gotta weed out the weak like yourself in order to form a strong army for the coming class war.

Totally kidding but seriously needles full of sickness and mercury that doesn't protect you from catching the disease/ virus from other people doesn't really seem worthwhile to my health.

I think we'll have to hammer down that definition of protecting you, a condom doesn't provide %100 immunity against babby forming either but if my goal was to avoid that while still procreating I'll sure as hell take its %99.something odds over shooting from the hip and hoping for the best ;)  Same for everything else it greatly enhances your odds of avoiding.


and if you haven't gotten a handle on that whole 'herd immunization' concept:  Unlike condoms the more people who do it the lesser the odds of it bad things happening.  Giggity.
 
2013-05-20 01:41:13 PM

theorellior: spentshells: Totally kidding but seriously needles full of sickness and mercury that doesn't protect you from catching the disease/ virus from other people doesn't really seem worthwhile to my health.

Brave talk coming from someone who's never seen a diphtheria epidemic or a polio ward.


Ill be sure to never go to a polio ward, issue solved without injecting mercury and other assorted unhealthy things into my body, but as stated if someone has it they can give it to you even if you've had the shot so where are we going with this?
 
2013-05-20 01:46:01 PM

spentshells: so where are we going with this?

I'm

going to clarify that you have never experienced what communicable diseases were like before vaccines were readily available, so you're sitting smug about a protective medicine people waited in lines for sixty years ago. Now you're going to take your bullshiat dumbfarkery and GTFO.
 
2013-05-20 01:49:31 PM

BumpInTheNight: BumpInTheNight: spentshells: It's called evolution baby we gotta weed out the weak like yourself in order to form a strong army for the coming class war.

Totally kidding but seriously needles full of sickness and mercury that doesn't protect you from catching the disease/ virus from other people doesn't really seem worthwhile to my health.

I think we'll have to hammer down that definition of protecting you, a condom doesn't provide %100 immunity against babby forming either but if my goal was to avoid that while still procreating I'll sure as hell take its %99.something odds over shooting from the hip and hoping for the best ;)  Same for everything else it greatly enhances your odds of avoiding.

and if you haven't gotten a handle on that whole 'herd immunization' concept:  Unlike condoms the more people who do it the lesser the odds of it bad things happening.  Giggity.


On that premise keep it in your pants and don't worry about it? I just don't think injecting high amounts of mercury and sickness into tiny children with no immune systems is good thing, personally I get the feeling autism is related to bacteria  in the stomach and other organs, but I watched a few shows on it so im not quite what you would call a doctor.... yet
 
2013-05-20 01:50:36 PM

spentshells: but I watched a few shows on it so im not quite what you would call a doctor.... yet


Nice. 10/10.
 
2013-05-20 02:50:39 PM

theorellior: I'm going to clarify that you have never experienced what communicable diseases were like before vaccines were readily available


The incidences of polio and other things were already on the decline when vaccines appeared. Herd immunity happening naturally like it has for millenia. I'm not saying all vaccines are evil, but i'm skeptical of anyone who says every single one is safe and no one should question them. They should each be examined and questioned the same way every pill is, and not given a free ride just because someone slaps the vaccine label on them.

But my previous comment was more about the Jenny thing. It was like 4 years ago she made some public comments sharing her opinion about vaccines, and people are still all "a child in Africa died of rubella. JENNY MCCARTHY IS TO BLAME". That would look crazy even on the craziest of all conspiracy sites. With that kind of stuff it's no wonder rational discussion of the subject is nearly impossible.
 
2013-05-20 02:57:46 PM
Anyone taking medical advice from Jenny McCarthy kinda gets what they deserve. It's like taking a public speaking course from George W. Bush or a lecture on treating people who disagree with you respectfully by Barack Obama seriously.

Don't know about this Andrew Wakefield though.
 
2013-05-20 02:58:35 PM
Are you kidding?

Jenny McCarthy is a friggin genius.  She's not just 'some lady ranting on a blog' - she's had really impressive positions at organizations like 'Talk About Curing Autism' and 'Generation Rescue'.  And her book was actually quite successful.

She turned having an autistic kid into a hugely successful career.  Given the fact that she never finished college, I'd say it's quite impressive....but add to it her successful modeling career (she was rich and famous for being a hot, ditzy-blond chick).  How many un/under-employed losers are sitting at home with their college degrees WISHING they had her business smarts?

I'm just saying....she's doing pretty good.
 
2013-05-20 03:00:24 PM

J. Frank Parnell: The incidences of polio and other things were already on the decline when vaccines appeared.


No.

www.poliosurvivorsnetwork.org.uk
Reported rates per 100,000 persons of poliomyelitis and
of death from poliomyetitis, United States, 1932 to 1989.
(IPV = inactivated polio vaccine; OPV = oral polio vaccine)


My father was a polio survivor who contracted polio from the vaccine. I know about this one. You are factually incorrect.
That vaccine saved lives, period, even it cost my father the use of his left arm for the rest of his life.
 
2013-05-20 03:07:12 PM

J. Frank Parnell: They should each be examined and questioned the same way every pill is, and not given a free ride just because someone slaps the vaccine label on them.


Actually, vaccines endure far more rigid testing than drugs. A better thing would be to say, "New medicines should be questioned and examined as thoroughly as every vaccine is, and not given a free ride just because someone slaps the 'drug' label on them.".
 
2013-05-20 03:10:19 PM

J. Frank Parnell: theorellior: I'm going to clarify that you have never experienced what communicable diseases were like before vaccines were readily available

The incidences of polio and other things were already on the decline when vaccines appeared. Herd immunity happening naturally like it has for millenia. I'm not saying all vaccines are evil, but i'm skeptical of anyone who says every single one is safe and no one should question them. They should each be examined and questioned the same way every pill is, and not given a free ride just because someone slaps the vaccine label on them.

But my previous comment was more about the Jenny thing. It was like 4 years ago she made some public comments sharing her opinion about vaccines, and people are still all "a child in Africa died of rubella. JENNY MCCARTHY IS TO BLAME". That would look crazy even on the craziest of all conspiracy sites. With that kind of stuff it's no wonder rational discussion of the subject is nearly impossible.


The reason rational discussion of the subject is neaqrly impossible is because One side if it is necessarily not rational.
 
2013-05-20 03:12:03 PM
1) Childhood vaccines greatly deacrease the risk of certain serious diseases, with comparatively minimal risks stemming from the vaccine itself.

2) Flouridating drinking water at recommended levels carries no health risk.

3) There is no good evidence that genetically modified foods are in any way dangerous.

4) Global warming is happening and anthropegenic causes are a substantial contributing factor.

5) Multicellular life on Earth is the product of evolution.

If you accept that the scientific method is valid, you must agree with all of these statements. You cannot pick and chose which you like and which you don't like. They are all true. There is no more debate to be had except in your own mind. Thank you, and good night.
 
2013-05-20 03:12:40 PM
Jenny McCarthy gained her fame from posing in Playboy.  If you take your medical advice from a stripper, you deserve what you get.
 
2013-05-20 03:20:20 PM

rekraFlatoT: I'd fook her coont. I can go crazy once without any problems right?


Came to say THIS

I miss the pre-anti-vacc Jenny.
 
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