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(The Business Journals)   LivingSocial's gun-shooting events do not mix shooting with booze... at least, not in the "Hey, y'all, hold my beer and watch this" sense of things   (bizjournals.com) divider line 20
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2013-05-20 08:27:20 AM
 
2013-05-20 08:53:18 AM
I just read some of that vomit that passes for "commonsense" among the gun control crowd.  I'm pretty sure LivingSocial has a libel case on their hands.  CREDO is actually a large company, too, not a DC address with a fax machine.
 
2013-05-20 09:59:23 AM
We should ban alcohol.

For the children.
 
2013-05-20 10:02:03 AM

Molavian: We should ban alcohol.

For the children.


Ban children.

For the alcohol.
 
2013-05-20 10:11:41 AM
I've found that many things become more interesting after I've been drinking. So, why not guns and ammo.
 
2013-05-20 10:11:59 AM
Those bastards.  How dare they follow recreational events with other recreational events.

I wonder how they would feel if an event had go-kart racing or professional driving lessons followed by drinks at the nearby bar.
 
2013-05-20 10:13:33 AM
A really important rule is first use guns, then clean guns, and then drink alcohol.  A lot of people make the bad mistake of drinking while cleaning, and like eating or smoking while cleaning, this is a bad idea for several reasons.

While someone failing to properly clear their gun when they have finished shooting is always a concern, drinking or eating or smoking while cleaning is like drinking or eating or smoking in a chemistry lab.  Some of those solvent fumes can be harsh and volatile.  You do not want to consume or have an open flame near any of that stuff.
 
2013-05-20 10:15:19 AM
Guns and explosives first.

Alcohol and cigars later.

That's a good day.
 
2013-05-20 10:16:19 AM

Ned Stark: Molavian: We should ban alcohol.

For the children.

Ban children.

For the alcohol.




This idea is intriguing.
Newsletter required.
 
2013-05-20 10:58:27 AM

ginkor: A really important rule is first use guns, then clean guns, and then drink alcohol.  A lot of people make the bad mistake of drinking while cleaning, and like eating or smoking while cleaning, this is a bad idea for several reasons.

While someone failing to properly clear their gun when they have finished shooting is always a concern, drinking or eating or smoking while cleaning is like drinking or eating or smoking in a chemistry lab.  Some of those solvent fumes can be harsh and volatile.  You do not want to consume or have an open flame near any of that stuff.


You are correct, but missed out on a very important reason why you don't eat/drink/smoke while cleaning guns - lead. The chance of you "setting off" a round because of e/d/s is almost near impossible (unless you shoot yourself - see the Four Rules). But lead is a very toxic metal that loves organic tissue. When you're shooting, you're getting that stuff all over yourself and breathing it in (which is my I shoot with an OSHA respirator at indoor ranges, even if some people chuckle at me). You can tell you are breathing it in when you taste something golden-sweet after leaving the range (this is why kids eat paint).

e/d/s makes it very very easy for you to absorb more lead.
 
2013-05-20 11:00:12 AM
Oh, and I have to say this - I respect the way the mods here do their job well. It's very balanced - not just one side or the other of this argument. That this results in lots of clicks and debate means they are doing their job well.
 
2013-05-20 11:21:11 AM

dittybopper: You think that's bad?   The NRA of India is accusing one of their shooters of doping ahead of the Athens Olympics.


Seriously:  what kind of drugs enhance shooting performance?  Carotene?  Something Michael J. Fox takes?
 
2013-05-20 11:22:30 AM

Molavian: We should ban alcohol.

For the children.


A lot more children would die if parents couldn't drink.
 
2013-05-20 11:28:22 AM

Ned Stark: Molavian: We should ban alcohol.

For the children.

Ban children.

For the alcohol.


Ferment children.  For the alcohol.
 
2013-05-20 11:32:21 AM

BarkingUnicorn: dittybopper: You think that's bad?   The NRA of India is accusing one of their shooters of doping ahead of the Athens Olympics.

Seriously:  what kind of drugs enhance shooting performance?  Carotene?  Something Michael J. Fox takes?


Got me.

I'd think that different disciplines would need different drugs.  Something like skeet, where you need to be hyper-aware and have quick reflexes would require different drugs than something like the target shooting disciplines, where you need to slow down your heart rate and actually concentrate.

Of course, a shooting even like biathlon, where you ski and then shoot, would be susceptible to the same sorts of doping that cycling and track would be, because it's a timed event.

/Proudly dope free for primitive biathlons.
//Well, except for the coffee.
 
2013-05-20 12:30:10 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Molavian: We should ban alcohol.

For the children.

A lot more children would die if parents couldn't drink.


Most would never be conceived if their parents couldn't drink.
 
2013-05-20 12:33:42 PM
duenor:

When you're shooting, you're getting that stuff all over yourself and breathing it in (which is my I shoot with an OSHA respirator at indoor ranges, even if some people chuckle at me). You can tell you are breathing it in when you taste something golden-sweet after leaving the range (this is why kids eat paint).

e/d/s makes it very very easy for you to absorb more lead.


Quite so.  "Air lead in the breathing space of a shooter is usually in the toxic range (EPA: over 50 mg/m3) with reports varying from 14 mg/m3 to 34,900 mg/m3."

I would recommend both Hygenall LeadOff Wipes and lead decontamination spray, both available at Amazon.  They are like normal wet wipes, except contain surfactants that remove several toxic metals from the skin and surfaces.  Since after shooting, the hands probably have the highest concentration of lead dust, and ordinary soap and water might actually hasten skin absorption.
 
2013-05-20 12:57:33 PM

ginkor: A really important rule is first use guns, then clean guns, and then drink alcohol.  A lot of people make the bad mistake of drinking while cleaning, and like eating or smoking while cleaning, this is a bad idea for several reasons.

While someone failing to properly clear their gun when they have finished shooting is always a concern, drinking or eating or smoking while cleaning is like drinking or eating or smoking in a chemistry lab.  Some of those solvent fumes can be harsh and volatile.  You do not want to consume or have an open flame near any of that stuff.


This is an advantage that black powder has over smokeless.  You can clean it up with warm water and dish soap.

Personally, though, I use 'moose milk', nine parts water to one part water soluble oil.

Don't have to worry about the lead, either, because 1. I shoot outdoors, and 2. I use a patched round ball:  The lead never touches the barrel. so no lead fouling.
 
2013-05-20 04:58:51 PM

ginkor: duenor:

When you're shooting, you're getting that stuff all over yourself and breathing it in (which is my I shoot with an OSHA respirator at indoor ranges, even if some people chuckle at me). You can tell you are breathing it in when you taste something golden-sweet after leaving the range (this is why kids eat paint).

e/d/s makes it very very easy for you to absorb more lead.

Quite so.  "Air lead in the breathing space of a shooter is usually in the toxic range (EPA: over 50 mg/m3) with reports varying from 14 mg/m3 to 34,900 mg/m3."

I would recommend both Hygenall LeadOff Wipes and lead decontamination spray, both available at Amazon.  They are like normal wet wipes, except contain surfactants that remove several toxic metals from the skin and surfaces.  Since after shooting, the hands probably have the highest concentration of lead dust, and ordinary soap and water might actually hasten skin absorption.


Hm! Thank you for the recommendation. Have you used these products yourself?
I've seen a few examples of long term lead exposure at the range, btw. The most vivid is this old guy named norm who would crawl on his hands and knees RIGHT UNDER the firing line tables to pick up discarded brass. He made quite a mint selling the metal but you could tell that he wasn't right in the head. Don't know what he was like before, but the 8-hour a day lead shower that he subjected himself to each day ... *shudder*
 
2013-05-21 07:23:05 AM

duenor: ginkor: A really important rule is first use guns, then clean guns, and then drink alcohol.  A lot of people make the bad mistake of drinking while cleaning, and like eating or smoking while cleaning, this is a bad idea for several reasons.

While someone failing to properly clear their gun when they have finished shooting is always a concern, drinking or eating or smoking while cleaning is like drinking or eating or smoking in a chemistry lab.  Some of those solvent fumes can be harsh and volatile.  You do not want to consume or have an open flame near any of that stuff.

You are correct, but missed out on a very important reason why you don't eat/drink/smoke while cleaning guns - lead. The chance of you "setting off" a round because of e/d/s is almost near impossible (unless you shoot yourself - see the Four Rules). But lead is a very toxic metal that loves organic tissue. When you're shooting, you're getting that stuff all over yourself and breathing it in (which is my I shoot with an OSHA respirator at indoor ranges, even if some people chuckle at me). You can tell you are breathing it in when you taste something golden-sweet after leaving the range (this is why kids eat paint).

e/d/s makes it very very easy for you to absorb more lead.


Um, I would love to see the science on this, cause it sounds like BS.
Considering most target shooters use FMJ bullets, I'm not quite sure where the lead that you're getting all over yourself is coming from, as it's coated in copper until it's way down range.
 
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