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(Marie Claire)   When Geeks Attack - a report on the tech industry's outrageous, shameless, and totally out-of-control bad-boy "brogrammers"   (marieclaire.com) divider line 182
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2013-05-20 08:28:49 AM
BROgrammers??

*flips desk*
 
2013-05-20 08:57:13 AM
Bro, you're just jealous of our ability to chill out in our cube, kill a natty light and crush some code. You old guys don't have any idea how complex X-code is.
 
2013-05-20 08:59:01 AM

xanadian: BROgrammers??

*flips desk*


Good to know I'm not the only person who saw that and went haywire.  I was worried I'd be needing anger management therapy.
 
2013-05-20 08:59:21 AM
I don't doubt this woman's story, but I've been in IT 16 years now, and I've only known one guy, out of hundreds, who showed any evidence of sexual harassment.  Even in his case, I never actually knew of explicit harassment per se.  More like, he would ask women he worked with for dates, and get shot down every time, and then come and sob to me about it.  He seemed more creepy than dangerous, but I guess I wouldn't be surprised if he was also harassing women.  And I'm sure that the way he took no was not exactly reassuring to them.

Outside of that, though, they've all been married with kids, milquetoast types.

Now if you want to talk about guys in sales or marketing or management, that's a very different story.  I've known some guys who seemed to be bound and determined to get fired and sued, if not arrested.
 
2013-05-20 09:01:05 AM
when i think of "bros" i don't usually think of guys who spend every waking minute coding or thinking of coding
 
2013-05-20 09:02:43 AM

xanadian: BROgrammers??

*flips desk*


yeah that's the latest thing, trying to imply a connection between frat behavior and programmers, since both groups are so similar, being basically all-male in both cases, and....also.....

yeah, but really there's a big connection. So the same blanket statements are valid about both subcultures.
 
2013-05-20 09:04:45 AM
Oh Stupid tab, where art thou? Be now thy name Unlikely?
For Stupid by any other name would be as does,
 
2013-05-20 09:05:42 AM

Kibbler: I don't doubt this woman's story, but I've been in IT 16 years now, and I've only known one guy, out of hundreds, who showed any evidence of sexual harassment.


Perhaps the programmer demographic has been changing with the influx of people who choose it because "you can get a good job" as opposed to the traditional "I really like doing this shiat."
 
2013-05-20 09:05:51 AM
Now, I am not blind, I see tonnes of this in our industry:
imgs.xkcd.com

but...hit the offenders themselves, if you try to paint an entire group the way those few idiots are trying to paint you:  All you do is piss off a lot of people who are way smarter then you and will put your career into the ground.  See Adria Richards.

/I'm kidding about the way smarter part, except for the 'techie turned activist' types who use that to cover for realizing how bad they were at their job
 
2013-05-20 09:05:54 AM
Is there a caste system to programming now? Do the H1-B Visa brigade live on the outskirts of society while Chet Chaddington attends TED in a backwards visor and pink polo with a popped collar?

Look, I don't want to call this lady a liar, but I don't understand a world in which she gets assaulted every time she goes to a tech conference. Three tech conference assaults in a year. It baffles me that this is indicative of the population of the conference and not the population of the events she attends surrounding the conference. I'm not saying "she was at fault", I'm saying I can't imagine a world in which conference seminars are bottomless rape-pits filled with the scum of society trying to finger-bang her during the Q&A session.

And Anita Sarkeesian drummed up $160,000 in unaccountable funds that she did very little actual work with, as per her detractors' predictions. She gained overt popular support of a weak thesis because "fighting gaming sexism online" is the moral outrage trend of the day. I won't argue that jackholes on 4chan were inappropriate in their reaction, but the base of their argument was correct - she was full of shiat, and she didn't use the funds on what she said she was going to, and she used the predictability of the net to drum up a defense force to ensure that nobody could accuse her of being full of shiat and misappropriating funds without being called a cis-privileged net-rapist.
 
2013-05-20 09:09:25 AM

Kibbler: I don't doubt this woman's story...


Its Adria Richards, and an attempt to make her out to be the victim is ludicrous.
 
2013-05-20 09:11:03 AM
I'm not touching this with a ten-foot pole.   Not only is this an article about "brogrammers", it's an article in Marie Claire about "brogrammers".  It's just bound to be mind-numbingly stupid.
 
2013-05-20 09:15:41 AM

evilmrsock: And Anita Sarkeesian drummed up $160,000 in unaccountable funds that she did very little actual work with, as per her detractors' predictions. She gained overt popular support of a weak thesis because "fighting gaming sexism online" is the moral outrage trend of the day.


Mother of god, did it end up being $160,000?
 
2013-05-20 09:16:03 AM
I'll call bullshiat on this one.  "sexually assaulted" three times in three conferences in the past year?  She isn't exactly a looker either.
 
2013-05-20 09:16:05 AM
I used to be a programmer. Then I quit drinking so heavily, read a few books and got a real job.

RatOmeter: Perhaps the programmer demographic has been changing with the influx of people who choose it because "you can get a good job" as opposed to the traditional "I really like doing this shiat."


I would say that's a good initial thesis to work with, but useless wastes of skin have been dropping into the field for years because they think it's an easy buck and that they're quality shiat because they took a few classes on ASP and JavaScript at the local community college.

The variation in quality among programmers is truly astounding. In the same pay range it's not uncommon to find completely brainless mugs who can barely figure out how to use a for loop to populate a webpage select field and people who ought to be programming NASA's next space mission.

That's part of the reason I got out of the field. For every good programmer who puts effort and thought into his craft it seems like there's ten utter morons who are just doing it because they think it's where the money is and it was real easy to learn the bare basics in four days of classes a week so they could spend the other three blasted out of their minds.

/ show me a modern-day programmer and I'll show you a person who, ten to one odds, has no farking idea how a computer actually works
 
2013-05-20 09:23:27 AM
I do not understand what is going on here and have no desire to learn.
So here is a dog made ENTIRELY of lego's.

dl.dropboxusercontent.com

/I'm serious.
/There is not a single scrap of dog in this dog.
 
hej
2013-05-20 09:24:26 AM
I'm curious what IT conferences this lady goes to that are always full of excessively macho alpha male types that take what they want and won't hesitate to make aggressive advances towards the opposite sex.
 
2013-05-20 09:27:39 AM
img705.imageshack.us

biatches love my Linux skills
 
2013-05-20 09:28:57 AM

skozlaw: I used to be a programmer. Then I quit drinking so heavily, read a few books and got a real job.

RatOmeter: Perhaps the programmer demographic has been changing with the influx of people who choose it because "you can get a good job" as opposed to the traditional "I really like doing this shiat."

I would say that's a good initial thesis to work with, but useless wastes of skin have been dropping into the field for years because they think it's an easy buck and that they're quality shiat because they took a few classes on ASP and JavaScript at the local community college.

The variation in quality among programmers is truly astounding. In the same pay range it's not uncommon to find completely brainless mugs who can barely figure out how to use a for loop to populate a webpage select field and people who ought to be programming NASA's next space mission.

That's part of the reason I got out of the field. For every good programmer who puts effort and thought into his craft it seems like there's ten utter morons who are just doing it because they think it's where the money is and it was real easy to learn the bare basics in four days of classes a week so they could spend the other three blasted out of their minds.

/ show me a modern-day programmer and I'll show you a person who, ten to one odds, has no farking idea how a computer actually works


This has been my experience as well. The whole "encourage more people to go into tech" push scares the crap out of me, as all it's doing is lowering the bar significantly. Be ye man or be ye woman, if you need "encouragement" you probably shouldn't be there in the first place.
 
2013-05-20 09:29:06 AM

Ummon: I'll call bullshiat on this one.  "sexually assaulted" three times in three conferences in the past year?  She isn't exactly a looker either.


And here we have part of the problem.  This stuff does happen.  In all kinds of male-dominated cultures. In this case, the blame-the-victim garbage is made worse because the audience is incredibly tech savvy and has the anonymity of the internet to both a) cause massive damage to the victim and b) invites countless thousands of basement dwelling mouth breathers like the above commenter do dive in on the "fun."

You can be a dick, you can say sexist things on occasion, and you can even do these things on the internet.  But causing physical or psychological harm or threatening either is a far cry from "good natured sexism."
 
2013-05-20 09:29:20 AM
Brogrammers are real. But her story sounds more like attempted sexual assault, not just harrassment.
 
2013-05-20 09:30:53 AM
Even though I went light into the computer repair... I know just how lucky I am to have the boss and co-workers that I have at the shop...And it's terrible that I consider it luck.

I've met the 'shops rival' by chance one day and the thought I had after walking away was 'Greasy haired dooshbag'. He basically demeaned, and denounced the basic job that I do. His eyes lit up when I said 'ram' like 'holy shiat, she can name a computer component!'. And then he started with the flirting and comments when he seemed to pick up that I was serious about what I was doing... No... No. I am VERY lucky to be where I am to be a computer tech with DDs.

And don't get me started with online gaming. I largely quit that years ago, and the rare chance I check something out, there's no acknowledging that I'm female.
 
2013-05-20 09:32:09 AM
Everything else aside, it is pretty damn sad when so few women are going into your field. The salary inequality numbers are pretty dire as well.

I do have to wonder if this is anything like otaku culture. I have seen anime clubs go from a good mix of men and women, or even more women than men, to being a sausage fest - because the guys were seriously incapable to dealing normally with the opposite sex (and sometimes incapable of bathing regularly). Perhaps this is happening in tech a lot? Is tech really like the guys on 4chan complaining about how feminism destroyed their life (though they've never seen a vagina because they're farking assholes)?

I do hear it's full of libertarians, which pretty much means "immature people mixed with sociopaths".
 
2013-05-20 09:34:33 AM

Dezilith: Even though I went light into the computer repair... I know just how lucky I am to have the boss and co-workers that I have at the shop...And it's terrible that I consider it luck.

I've met the 'shops rival' by chance one day and the thought I had after walking away was 'Greasy haired dooshbag'. He basically demeaned, and denounced the basic job that I do. His eyes lit up when I said 'ram' like 'holy shiat, she can name a computer component!'. And then he started with the flirting and comments when he seemed to pick up that I was serious about what I was doing... No... No. I am VERY lucky to be where I am to be a computer tech with DDs.

And don't get me started with online gaming. I largely quit that years ago, and the rare chance I check something out, there's no acknowledging that I'm female.


See, here's a small part of the problem. I've been treated exactly like you describe, and I'm a white man. You're assuming your experience at the hands of some self-important loser is unique to you because you're a woman. It's not.
 
2013-05-20 09:36:55 AM

adamatari: Everything else aside, it is pretty damn sad when so few women are going into your field. The salary inequality numbers are pretty dire as well.

I do have to wonder if this is anything like otaku culture. I have seen anime clubs go from a good mix of men and women, or even more women than men, to being a sausage fest - because the guys were seriously incapable to dealing normally with the opposite sex (and sometimes incapable of bathing regularly). Perhaps this is happening in tech a lot? Is tech really like the guys on 4chan complaining about how feminism destroyed their life (though they've never seen a vagina because they're farking assholes)?

I do hear it's full of libertarians, which pretty much means "immature people mixed with sociopaths".


You're mostly right. I might argue that the brogrammers are actually the same types of people, but a new generation. This generation is sort of over-compensating for their dirty nerdly forebears by becoming bro-ey douches. They're still just as insecure and shiatty to people, often.

Before someone takes offense, this isn't meant to describe every programmer or tech guy ever. Far from it. It's a very specific subset. I've known them and worked with them in the last few years.
 
2013-05-20 09:37:06 AM

Ummon: I'll call bullshiat on this one.  "sexually assaulted" three times in three conferences in the past year?  She isn't exactly a looker either.


I have a number of female tech friends who have received many unwanted sexual advances.  I know a couple who have been roofied.  The ones who get actually assaulted are not the attractive ones who have 80 guys trying to hit on them at once.  That's because they have 80 guys around them, 70 of which will kick your ass if you grope her.  The ones who get assaulted are the ones who are kind of off on their own.  As for the "she's not attractive" thing, a lot of men feel it's OK to assault less attractive women because they are under the misimpression that those women will appreciate the attention.
 
2013-05-20 09:38:49 AM

evilmrsock: Is there a caste system to programming now? Do the H1-B Visa brigade live on the outskirts of society while Chet Chaddington attends TED in a backwards visor and pink polo with a popped collar?

Look, I don't want to call this lady a liar, but I don't understand a world in which she gets assaulted every time she goes to a tech conference. Three tech conference assaults in a year. It baffles me that this is indicative of the population of the conference and not the population of the events she attends surrounding the conference. I'm not saying "she was at fault", I'm saying I can't imagine a world in which conference seminars are bottomless rape-pits filled with the scum of society trying to finger-bang her during the Q&A session.

And Anita Sarkeesian drummed up $160,000 in unaccountable funds that she did very little actual work with, as per her detractors' predictions. She gained overt popular support of a weak thesis because "fighting gaming sexism online" is the moral outrage trend of the day. I won't argue that jackholes on 4chan were inappropriate in their reaction, but the base of their argument was correct - she was full of shiat, and she didn't use the funds on what she said she was going to, and she used the predictability of the net to drum up a defense force to ensure that nobody could accuse her of being full of shiat and misappropriating funds without being called a cis-privileged net-rapist.


So you go to a conference, the people running the conference have a 5-9 dinner/walk around the booths and get wasted on the open-bar "reception."  You are smart enough to not be rapey, but you and your colleagues stand in your booth or at a table and make crass remarks towards the women in the (at least) 60% male group of attendees.  But that one idiot guy who squeaked through his Computer Science degree because he didn't like statistics in business school thinks it's like he was back with his Lambda Chi frat brothers and all the women there totally dig him and this one chick is going home with him whether she likes it or not.

It happens. Denying it, or putting the burden of proof on the victim under the guise of "I'm not saying it didn't happen," is just a polite way of saying "the slut totally deserved it."

I grew up under fighter pilot bars.  Luckily, most pilot women know how to handle crass advances.  But someone who doesn't meet aggression with aggression is going to be on the wrong end of many of these confrontations.
 
2013-05-20 09:40:15 AM

Dezilith: Even though I went light into the computer repair... I know just how lucky I am to have the boss and co-workers that I have at the shop...And it's terrible that I consider it luck.

I've met the 'shops rival' by chance one day and the thought I had after walking away was 'Greasy haired dooshbag'. He basically demeaned, and denounced the basic job that I do. His eyes lit up when I said 'ram' like 'holy shiat, she can name a computer component!'. And then he started with the flirting and comments when he seemed to pick up that I was serious about what I was doing... No... No. I am VERY lucky to be where I am to be a computer tech with DDs.

And don't get me started with online gaming. I largely quit that years ago, and the rare chance I check something out, there's no acknowledging that I'm female.


Replace flirt with 'start up a dick measuring contest' and you have how that douche would react to a male shop-tech.  Congrats you've met an asshole, nothing more.
 
2013-05-20 09:42:14 AM
That is one wholly unattractive woman, and it's nearly impossible to me to believe that she just has the bad luck of being sexually assaulted every time she attends a conference. She looks like Eric Stoltz in Mask, so unless she has insane pheromones, it seems like she's putting herself in the position to be assaulted a lot because she wants to be a victim.
 
2013-05-20 09:42:25 AM

Kibbler: I don't doubt this woman's story, but I've been in IT 16 years now, and I've only known one guy, out of hundreds, who showed any evidence of sexual harassment.  Even in his case, I never actually knew of explicit harassment per se.  More like, he would ask women he worked with for dates, and get shot down every time, and then come and sob to me about it.  He seemed more creepy than dangerous, but I guess I wouldn't be surprised if he was also harassing women.  And I'm sure that the way he took no was not exactly reassuring to them.


It's more about the sort of guys who like to go to conferences. The sort of pricks who use terms like "rockstar programmers" and love to show off their superiority because they know that once type of sort will run 0.1% faster than another (even though it's irrelevant to the problem). These guys are farking poison to work with, and if you ever go to conferences, they're full of them.

Conferences used to be fun. They used to be full of regular guys who were getting 2 days out of the office and hitting the bar. The content was all in the notes that would take you half an hour to read. Now they're full of the sort of people who will stand around at break time arguing about Nginx performance compared to Apache, and treating it like a farking war.
 
hej
2013-05-20 09:42:42 AM

Where wolf: Ummon: I'll call bullshiat on this one.  "sexually assaulted" three times in three conferences in the past year?  She isn't exactly a looker either.

And here we have part of the problem.  This stuff does happen.  In all kinds of male-dominated cultures. In this case, the blame-the-victim garbage is made worse because the audience is incredibly tech savvy and has the anonymity of the internet to both a) cause massive damage to the victim and b) invites countless thousands of basement dwelling mouth breathers like the above commenter do dive in on the "fun."

You can be a dick, you can say sexist things on occasion, and you can even do these things on the internet.  But causing physical or psychological harm or threatening either is a far cry from "good natured sexism."


He's not "diving in on the fun."  He's skeptical of the claims that this woman was the victim of rape attempts at three tech conferences in one year.  Does that sound realistic to you?
 
2013-05-20 09:42:45 AM
Jail them all!
cdn.iwastesomuchtime.com
/hot
 
2013-05-20 09:43:07 AM

AdamK: when i think of "bros" i don't usually think of guys who spend every waking minute coding or thinking of coding


What Bros may look like.

www.virginmedia.com
 
2013-05-20 09:44:32 AM

Mr. Eugenides: Ummon: I'll call bullshiat on this one.  "sexually assaulted" three times in three conferences in the past year?  She isn't exactly a looker either.

I have a number of female tech friends who have received many unwanted sexual advances.  I know a couple who have been roofied.  The ones who get actually assaulted are not the attractive ones who have 80 guys trying to hit on them at once.  That's because they have 80 guys around them, 70 of which will kick your ass if you grope her.  The ones who get assaulted are the ones who are kind of off on their own.  As for the "she's not attractive" thing, a lot of men feel it's OK to assault less attractive women because they are under the misimpression that those women will appreciate the attention.


Is this unique to tech conferences? Or does this type of harassment occur at other types of conferences as well?
 
2013-05-20 09:47:45 AM
*sigh*

Do I have to do everything around here?

assets.vice.com
 
2013-05-20 09:48:20 AM

adamatari: Everything else aside, it is pretty damn sad when so few women are going into your field. The salary inequality numbers are pretty dire as well.

I do have to wonder if this is anything like otaku culture. I have seen anime clubs go from a good mix of men and women, or even more women than men, to being a sausage fest - because the guys were seriously incapable to dealing normally with the opposite sex (and sometimes incapable of bathing regularly). Perhaps this is happening in tech a lot? Is tech really like the guys on 4chan complaining about how feminism destroyed their life (though they've never seen a vagina because they're farking assholes)?

I do hear it's full of libertarians, which pretty much means "immature people mixed with sociopaths".


Most women aren't interested in getting into this field because the don't find it interesting,  Maybe the would rather apply their analytical skills to business management or the more creative software applications.Most women don't possess automotive skills for this reason.

Men and women are wired differently, but one is no better than the other - indeed they complement each other. The world needs poets and musicians and businessmen and politicians as well as engineers.

Oh, and

"The world needs ditch diggers too."
i.ytimg.com
 
2013-05-20 09:51:38 AM

BumpInTheNight: Dezilith: Even though I went light into the computer repair... I know just how lucky I am to have the boss and co-workers that I have at the shop...And it's terrible that I consider it luck.

I've met the 'shops rival' by chance one day and the thought I had after walking away was 'Greasy haired dooshbag'. He basically demeaned, and denounced the basic job that I do. His eyes lit up when I said 'ram' like 'holy shiat, she can name a computer component!'. And then he started with the flirting and comments when he seemed to pick up that I was serious about what I was doing... No... No. I am VERY lucky to be where I am to be a computer tech with DDs.

And don't get me started with online gaming. I largely quit that years ago, and the rare chance I check something out, there's no acknowledging that I'm female.

Replace flirt with 'start up a dick measuring contest' and you have how that douche would react to a male shop-tech.  Congrats you've met an asshole, nothing more.


The congrats is appreciated... But I still didn't like the way he treated me. I do count my blessings however that was all it was.
 
2013-05-20 09:55:12 AM

Dezilith: The congrats is appreciated... But I still didn't like the way he treated me. I do count my blessings however that was all it was.


Right, I wouldn't either but make no mistake it wasn't because you are a woman that he is an asshole and acts like an asshole towards people.  He does that all by himself.  Your gender only influenced what kind of way he was going to be an asshole, nothing more.
 
2013-05-20 09:56:52 AM

Marine1


*sigh*

Do I have to do everything around here?


No, lots of people post irrelevant pictures.

McAfee's alleged offenses go quite a bit beyond the topic in TFA.
 
2013-05-20 10:02:50 AM

WhippingBoy: Is this unique to tech conferences? Or does this type of harassment occur at other types of conferences as well?


I know it's not unique to tech conferences, but the fact that many of the tech conferences are 10 to 1 male to female means that the women at tech conferences are more likely to experience this crap than the women at a real estate or nephrology conference.
 
2013-05-20 10:03:31 AM

Dezilith: BumpInTheNight: Dezilith: Even though I went light into the computer repair... I know just how lucky I am to have the boss and co-workers that I have at the shop...And it's terrible that I consider it luck.

I've met the 'shops rival' by chance one day and the thought I had after walking away was 'Greasy haired dooshbag'. He basically demeaned, and denounced the basic job that I do. His eyes lit up when I said 'ram' like 'holy shiat, she can name a computer component!'. And then he started with the flirting and comments when he seemed to pick up that I was serious about what I was doing... No... No. I am VERY lucky to be where I am to be a computer tech with DDs.

And don't get me started with online gaming. I largely quit that years ago, and the rare chance I check something out, there's no acknowledging that I'm female.

Replace flirt with 'start up a dick measuring contest' and you have how that douche would react to a male shop-tech.  Congrats you've met an asshole, nothing more.

The congrats is appreciated... But I still didn't like the way he treated me. I do count my blessings however that was all it was.


It sounds like you're not really ready for the big-people world. It's full of assholes like this guy.
 
2013-05-20 10:08:14 AM
I know that the general thrust of this article is valide, and the first woman's story is awful - but the one-sided description of the Adria Richards thing pretty much kills any credibility the writer had. That incident lies somewhere between "Everyone in this story acted like an ass" and "Everyone in this story acted like a dick, with Adria Richards being the assiest."

/The guy who molested the first woman in the article actually deserved to have his photo posted.
 
2013-05-20 10:09:05 AM
Eesh...proofread much, me?
 
2013-05-20 10:09:26 AM

Englebert Slaptyback: Marine1

*sigh*

Do I have to do everything around here?


No, lots of people post irrelevant pictures.

McAfee's alleged offenses go quite a bit beyond the topic in TFA.


Dude. He's the ultimate brogrammer. He's what all of these dudes would be if they had been around in the 1990s and had gotten in on the insane buyouts and bonuses and headhunting. He's brogramming in its final form.
 
2013-05-20 10:10:05 AM

WhippingBoy: It sounds like you're not really ready for the big-people world. It's full of assholes like this guy.


Do you even say that with a hint of irony? Does the idea even begin to touch a single neuron in your tiny little brain that you're sitting here condescending to a member of the opposite sex for not being ready for the "big people world" because she related a story about how she.... didn't like being condescended to just because she was a member of the opposite sex?

Somehow I don't think so. Somehow I suspect you really are too dim to realize that you are, in fact, the problem.
 
2013-05-20 10:10:35 AM

hej: Where wolf: Ummon: I'll call bullshiat on this one.  "sexually assaulted" three times in three conferences in the past year?  She isn't exactly a looker either.

And here we have part of the problem.  This stuff does happen.  In all kinds of male-dominated cultures. In this case, the blame-the-victim garbage is made worse because the audience is incredibly tech savvy and has the anonymity of the internet to both a) cause massive damage to the victim and b) invites countless thousands of basement dwelling mouth breathers like the above commenter do dive in on the "fun."

You can be a dick, you can say sexist things on occasion, and you can even do these things on the internet.  But causing physical or psychological harm or threatening either is a far cry from "good natured sexism."

He's not "diving in on the fun."  He's skeptical of the claims that this woman was the victim of rape attempts at three tech conferences in one year.  Does that sound realistic to you?


Considering what I've seen at defense industry conferences, yes.  Especially if she's gone to 10-15 conferences in a year.  That'd be high, but not unheard of if you're selling something.

WhippingBoy: Mr. Eugenides: Ummon: I'll call bullshiat on this one.  "sexually assaulted" three times in three conferences in the past year?  She isn't exactly a looker either.

I have a number of female tech friends who have received many unwanted sexual advances.  I know a couple who have been roofied.  The ones who get actually assaulted are not the attractive ones who have 80 guys trying to hit on them at once.  That's because they have 80 guys around them, 70 of which will kick your ass if you grope her.  The ones who get assaulted are the ones who are kind of off on their own.  As for the "she's not attractive" thing, a lot of men feel it's OK to assault less attractive women because they are under the misimpression that those women will appreciate the attention.

Is this unique to tech conferences? Or does this type of harassment occur at other types of conferences as well?


Not unique.  I've had the distinct pleasure of going to conferences with women and had to deflect and distract drunk old guys so the girls I was with could escape.  Luckily, most of the guys I've had to deal with at conferences are drunk old guys who's only crime is being forward and occasionally huggy.
 
2013-05-20 10:12:20 AM

Green Scorpio: Most women aren't interested in getting into this field because the don't find it interesting,  Maybe the would rather apply their analytical skills to business management or the more creative software applications.Most women don't possess automotive skills for this reason.

Men and women are wired differently, but one is no better than the other - indeed they complement each other. The world needs poets and musicians and businessmen and politicians as well as engineers.

Oh, and

"The world needs ditch diggers too."
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Ahh, so I nailed it? I take it you're a libertarian?

Your example leaves much to be desired. Really, automotive skills? Something which most people don't possess even a smidgen of? And a field (like most blue collar fields) that is famous for being a sausage fest and full of rude dudes?  Has it ever occured to you that maybe women avoid fields where they fear they'll be marginalized and/or harassed?

In WWII, women built a substantial portion of all those mechanical and electric things that the US used to win the war... Yet here we are, well over 50 years later, talking about how women lack mechanical aptitude. farking pathetic.
 
2013-05-20 10:12:52 AM

xanadian: BROgrammers??

*flips desk*


Would it make you more or less stabbly to learn that the term "brogrammer" was initially coined by the fine folks at Klout, a company that exists to measure individuals' "social networking impact"?
 
2013-05-20 10:13:59 AM
WhippingBoy:

Is this unique to tech conferences? Or does this type of harassment occur at other types of conferences as well?

BINGO.  Unless we have numbers from other conferences on incidences of this kind of behavior, we really can't gauge whether or not this is a problem unique to this industry - it may merely be representative of broader issues.
 
2013-05-20 10:14:32 AM

Mr. Eugenides: WhippingBoy: Is this unique to tech conferences? Or does this type of harassment occur at other types of conferences as well?

I know it's not unique to tech conferences, but the fact that many of the tech conferences are 10 to 1 male to female means that the women at tech conferences are more likely to experience this crap than the women at a real estate or nephrology conference.


Yeah this is a big part of the problem.  Even if only 1 of every 20 guys at a tech conference is an aggressive socially inept shiathead, that's one aggressive socially inept shiathead man for every 2 women.  Some of the guys I work with are so incredibly unaware of social norms it's hard to believe.
 
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