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2013-05-20 08:33:32 AM  
Notice there is no Raiders QB.

/it's hard to be a Raiders fan
 
2013-05-20 09:40:53 AM  

basemetal: Notice there is no Raiders QB.

/it's hard to be a Raiders fan


Not as hard as it is to be any other team's fan at a Raiders game.
 
2013-05-20 09:51:55 AM  

basemetal: Notice there is no Raiders QB.

/it's hard to be a Raiders fan


Have to agree with subby. Writer ranked 35 QBs from a 32 team league and still left a team off. Obvious derp level jokes aside, would it have been so difficult to project Flynn as Oakland's starter and list him as JAG? Or no higher than Stopgap anyway.
 
2013-05-20 10:03:38 AM  
Steve Smith agrees.
 
Slu
2013-05-20 10:16:46 AM  
F you and your farking auto-play video.
 
2013-05-20 10:20:58 AM  
I don't know, 1-4 look good to me.

Why is ole man weeden so low? He was the best of that last bunch imo, without any name able receivers. Cribs doesn't count
 
2013-05-20 10:29:59 AM  
I think that the list is pretty good.  Only real glaring qualms I have is Rivers and Stafford should flip as well as Dalton and Tannehill.  Grouping is the only way to truly rank anyone.
 
2013-05-20 10:31:22 AM  
The "franchise gold" segment of Brees, Roethlisberger, Eli Manning seemed logical.....until he added Matt Ryan to the group.  Huh?  Talk about someone who doesn't belong there.  The other three have won Superbowls.  Matt Ryan is good, but nowhere near in the same category as the other three based on # of years in the league, # of wins, and certainly actual success.
 
2013-05-20 10:47:04 AM  

cefm: The "franchise gold" segment of Brees, Roethlisberger, Eli Manning seemed logical.....until he added Matt Ryan to the group.  Huh?  Talk about someone who doesn't belong there.  The other three have won Superbowls.  Matt Ryan is good, but nowhere near in the same category as the other three based on # of years in the league, # of wins, and certainly actual success.


The NFL loves to troll Baltimore ("Why don't you just build a museum?"). Placing Ryan that high and Flacco that low just continues that trend.
 
2013-05-20 10:56:13 AM  

bhcompy: I think that the list is pretty good.  Only real glaring qualms I have is Rivers and Stafford should flip


So lower the guy who finished 7th in DYAR last year for the guy who finished 22nd?
 
2013-05-20 11:03:24 AM  
What, no Tebow?
 
2013-05-20 11:15:53 AM  
Matt "one playoff win" Ryan is Franchise Gold while Joe "Super Bowl MVP" Flacco is only a Solid Dude.  Give Flacco Jones, White, and Gonz and let's see what his stats are like.  That from the same writer who makes fun of Andy Dalton by saying he's surrounded by talent, but can't get the job done.  Matt Ryan is the poster child for surrounded by talent.

Honestly, I wouldn't rank any off the rookies ahead of any of the Solid Dudes at this point save for perhaps Cam Newton; who has at least proven that he's not just a one hit wonder.  I certainly wouldn't put Kaepernick, who doesn't even have a full season yet, in that same grouping.

Then we have Drew Brees who gets denied a King title because it would ruin his cute little group nickname is also asinine.  Drew "I've broken almost every single season QB record" Brees should definitely get more consideration than he got.

I would disagree with Sanchez too... if it wasn't for the buttfumble.   He has gotten at least six wins every season he's played, but I think that's more of a factor of strong coaching than strong QB play.  However I will give Sanchez the benefit of pointing out that he had no real offensive threats to work with last season.  Unfortunately his tendency to wilt under any sort of pressure is post Super Bowl Delhomme level.  I'm not sure what you can do with a QB that falls apart under pressure.
 
2013-05-20 11:28:23 AM  

Coach_J: bhcompy: I think that the list is pretty good.  Only real glaring qualms I have is Rivers and Stafford should flip

So lower the guy who finished 7th in DYAR last year for the guy who finished 22nd?


Rivers with a semblance of a team is easily a top 10 QB.  Rivers with AJ letting multiple pro bowl O-linemen, wide receivers, and runningbacks exit town with bottom tier players has a real tough time.  Stafford hasn't established himself yet as a consistent, healthy player.  Rivers has a much higher career completion percentage while also having a significantly higher yards per attempt and completion.  He can play at a high level when he's not playing with the scout team o-line.
 
2013-05-20 11:33:52 AM  
Sp Philip Rivers has a critical season ahead for the fourth season in a row?
 
2013-05-20 11:34:40 AM  
Is Flacco elite yet?
 
2013-05-20 11:36:20 AM  
Micheal Vick as "generically sort of shiatty but probably not the worst QB in the NFL" seems reasonable to me but I'm open to arguments for moving him down a few more spots.
 
2013-05-20 11:41:21 AM  

iron_city_ap: Is Flacco elite yet?


Only until he wakes up.
 
2013-05-20 11:44:06 AM  
Rodgers better show up this year....we know Brady will.
 
2013-05-20 11:46:09 AM  
I can list 5 memorable games by Cutler, but not all necessary because of his actions on the field.

/Excited to see what Trestman can bring
 
2013-05-20 11:51:29 AM  

orange whip: Rodgers better show up this year....we know Brady will.


Brady can do all he likes, but that team doesn't have any receivers this year.
 
2013-05-20 12:01:55 PM  

Lost Thought 00: orange whip: Rodgers better show up this year....we know Brady will.

Brady can do all he likes, but that team doesn't have any receivers this year.


Well they'll have Danny for like 3 weeks.
 
2013-05-20 12:02:38 PM  
Matt Cassel says Tom Brady is overrated.
 
2013-05-20 12:03:50 PM  
Romo and Wilson too high
 
2013-05-20 12:28:48 PM  

ISO15693: Romo and Wilson too high


shiat man he's 14th on this list. You'd put him lower? You think Phillip Rivers and Matt Stafford are better QBs? Phillip Rivers' whole career has taken a nosedive and Matt Stafford is Romo with worse stats and ZERO playoff wins.
 
2013-05-20 12:31:53 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: cefm: The "franchise gold" segment of Brees, Roethlisberger, Eli Manning seemed logical.....until he added Matt Ryan to the group.  Huh?  Talk about someone who doesn't belong there.  The other three have won Superbowls.  Matt Ryan is good, but nowhere near in the same category as the other three based on # of years in the league, # of wins, and certainly actual success.

The NFL loves to troll Baltimore ("Why don't you just build a museum?"). Placing Ryan that high and Flacco that low just continues that trend.


Flacco is the the definition of "franchise gold".
 
2013-05-20 12:42:01 PM  

bhcompy: Coach_J: bhcompy: I think that the list is pretty good.  Only real glaring qualms I have is Rivers and Stafford should flip

So lower the guy who finished 7th in DYAR last year for the guy who finished 22nd?

Rivers with a semblance of a team is easily a top 10 QB.  Rivers with AJ letting multiple pro bowl O-linemen, wide receivers, and runningbacks exit town with bottom tier players has a real tough time.  Stafford hasn't established himself yet as a consistent, healthy player.  Rivers has a much higher career completion percentage while also having a significantly higher yards per attempt and completion.  He can play at a high level when he's not playing with the scout team o-line.


Stafford has been healthy and better than Rivers for 2 straight years.  He is also on a one-dimensional offense on a one-dimensional team and nobody has been able to stop him.

And career passing data for a QB who was average in 2011 and horrible in 2012 is virtually meaningless.
 
2013-05-20 12:44:19 PM  

degenerate-afro: Matt "one playoff win" Ryan is Franchise Gold while Joe "Super Bowl MVP" Flacco is only a Solid Dude.  Give Flacco Jones, White, and Gonz and let's see what his stats are like.  That from the same writer who makes fun of Andy Dalton by saying he's surrounded by talent, but can't get the job done.  Matt Ryan is the poster child for surrounded by talent.

Honestly, I wouldn't rank any off the rookies ahead of any of the Solid Dudes at this point save for perhaps Cam Newton; who has at least proven that he's not just a one hit wonder.  I certainly wouldn't put Kaepernick, who doesn't even have a full season yet, in that same grouping.

Then we have Drew Brees who gets denied a King title because it would ruin his cute little group nickname is also asinine.  Drew "I've broken almost every single season QB record" Brees should definitely get more consideration than he got.

I would disagree with Sanchez too... if it wasn't for the buttfumble.   He has gotten at least six wins every season he's played, but I think that's more of a factor of strong coaching than strong QB play.  However I will give Sanchez the benefit of pointing out that he had no real offensive threats to work with last season.  Unfortunately his tendency to wilt under any sort of pressure is post Super Bowl Delhomme level.  I'm not sure what you can do with a QB that falls apart under pressure.


Matt Ryan is not just surrounded by talent - he's had arguably the best offensive skill player combination in the league every year. Roddy White and Tony Gonzalez were there the whole time. Turner was great for a while.

Flacco before this year has had a combination of old and busted or super inexperienced players with the exception of Ray Rice and Anquan Boldin. Mason, Heap, Houshmanzadeh, Lee farkING Evans, Donte Stallworth, Mark Clayton... There wasn't a solid #2 among them by the time Flacco was in BAL.
 
2013-05-20 01:02:28 PM  

degenerate-afro: Matt "one playoff win" Ryan is Franchise Gold while Joe "Super Bowl MVP" Flacco is only a Solid Dude.  Give Flacco Jones, White, and Gonz and let's see what his stats are like.  That from the same writer who makes fun of Andy Dalton by saying he's surrounded by talent, but can't get the job done.  Matt Ryan is the poster child for surrounded by talent.

Honestly, I wouldn't rank any off the rookies ahead of any of the Solid Dudes at this point save for perhaps Cam Newton; who has at least proven that he's not just a one hit wonder.  I certainly wouldn't put Kaepernick, who doesn't even have a full season yet, in that same grouping.

Then we have Drew Brees who gets denied a King title because it would ruin his cute little group nickname is also asinine.  Drew "I've broken almost every single season QB record" Brees should definitely get more consideration than he got.

I would disagree with Sanchez too... if it wasn't for the buttfumble.   He has gotten at least six wins every season he's played, but I think that's more of a factor of strong coaching than strong QB play.  However I will give Sanchez the benefit of pointing out that he had no real offensive threats to work with last season.  Unfortunately his tendency to wilt under any sort of pressure is post Super Bowl Delhomme level.  I'm not sure what you can do with a QB that falls apart under pressure.


Yep, yep, yep, yep.  Makes 2 for 2 (or 3 for 3, I forget how many of these we've had so far) with Matty Hype Is Too Damn High in QB ranking threads too.
 
2013-05-20 01:03:37 PM  
is Brees really not at "elite" status? i mean i can't think of a single franchise that would have a winning record with their coaching staff situation as chaotic as it was for them

Rodgers is great, but is he really #1? dude can sling and slang it better than anybody else, but he also had the same over-talented receiver set for years in Green Bay, not sure if he can turn garbage into gold like P.Manning or Brady can

Romo would be better than Ryan if he didn't have Sanchez-esque mindlessness
 
2013-05-20 01:06:01 PM  

Deneb81: degenerate-afro: Matt "one playoff win" Ryan is Franchise Gold while Joe "Super Bowl MVP" Flacco is only a Solid Dude.  Give Flacco Jones, White, and Gonz and let's see what his stats are like.  That from the same writer who makes fun of Andy Dalton by saying he's surrounded by talent, but can't get the job done.  Matt Ryan is the poster child for surrounded by talent.

Honestly, I wouldn't rank any off the rookies ahead of any of the Solid Dudes at this point save for perhaps Cam Newton; who has at least proven that he's not just a one hit wonder.  I certainly wouldn't put Kaepernick, who doesn't even have a full season yet, in that same grouping.

Then we have Drew Brees who gets denied a King title because it would ruin his cute little group nickname is also asinine.  Drew "I've broken almost every single season QB record" Brees should definitely get more consideration than he got.

I would disagree with Sanchez too... if it wasn't for the buttfumble.   He has gotten at least six wins every season he's played, but I think that's more of a factor of strong coaching than strong QB play.  However I will give Sanchez the benefit of pointing out that he had no real offensive threats to work with last season.  Unfortunately his tendency to wilt under any sort of pressure is post Super Bowl Delhomme level.  I'm not sure what you can do with a QB that falls apart under pressure.

Matt Ryan is not just surrounded by talent - he's had arguably the best offensive skill player combination in the league every year. Roddy White and Tony Gonzalez were there the whole time. Turner was great for a while.

Flacco before this year has had a combination of old and busted or super inexperienced players with the exception of Ray Rice and Anquan Boldin. Mason, Heap, Houshmanzadeh, Lee farkING Evans, Donte Stallworth, Mark Clayton... There wasn't a solid #2 among them by the time Flacco was in BAL.


As a Baltimore fan living in the Atlanta area, I do believe everyone just doesn't want to like Baltimore or give it the credit the team is due.  Matt Ryan is treated like he has already won three superbowls by the fans in Atlanta, I just don't understand it.  Also, any loss is never his fault.  Atlanta would do better if they actually followed some of the philosophies of Baltimore: run the damn ball and use your TE to death.

I was perplexed many times this past season when the falcons were on the goal line and Tony Gonzalez was not on the field.  You have a HoF tightend with the amazing ability to post up 5 years off the line of scrimmage and he is not in the game when your offense is at the 2 yd line.

Also, when you have a RB like Turner, you have to run the ball more than once every series.  He is good for 2-3 yards, not really a breakout runner.  instead atlanta will run on first down, leaving them 2nd and 7.  Then pass.  If you make the 1st down, great. otherwise now you are 3rd and 7 and the defense will expect a pass.  Instead if you ran again on 2nd down, you would have 3rd and 4, giving you more to work with.

If atlanta is going to be a pass heavy offense, they need to get a high-risk, high-reward RB.  A back who can catch in the flats or just has high speed to run around the corners.
 
2013-05-20 01:30:00 PM  

Electromax: I can list 5 memorable games by Cutler, but not all necessary because of his actions on the field.

/Excited to see what Trestman can bring


He's been riding on all the goodwill from that MNF Detroit game I think, but I'm not sure there's much left in that tank. It'll be interesting to see what he does that's for sure.
 
2013-05-20 01:43:15 PM  

thecpt: I don't know, 1-4 look good to me.

Why is ole man weeden so low? He was the best of that last bunch imo, without any name able receivers. Cribs doesn't count


Know how I know you're not one of the die-hard NFL Farkers?

/Hint: Cribbs isn't even on the Browns anymore, and even when he was, he was only on the field for gadget plays and kick returns.
 
2013-05-20 01:48:56 PM  

Coach_J: He is also on a one-dimensional offense on a one-dimensional team and nobody has been able to stop him.


One dimensional is one more dimension than the Chargers have. I wouldn't bother putting either ahead of the other - Stafford has a better future, Rivers has a better past.

AdamK: but he also had the same over-talented receiver set for years in Green Bay, not sure if he can turn garbage into gold like P.Manning or Brady can


Didn't seem to notice how he still led the league in passer rating with James Jones as his No. 1 threat much of last season? How many of Green Bay's WRs have accomplished anything anywhere else? I know, not many of them have left...but why do we assume that they're so talented while we assume that the other guys haven't had talent to work with? Manning's had a sh*tton of talent to work with.
 
2013-05-20 01:55:39 PM  

IlGreven: he was only on the field for gadget plays and kick returns.


I think that would be a justification for saying "Cribbs doesn't count" because he's the nameable one, but he didn't really do anything on offense.

/no one can spell Massaquoi or whatever.
//holy sh*t I guessed right on the last name!
 
2013-05-20 03:05:23 PM  

Coach_J: bhcompy: Coach_J: bhcompy: I think that the list is pretty good.  Only real glaring qualms I have is Rivers and Stafford should flip

So lower the guy who finished 7th in DYAR last year for the guy who finished 22nd?

Rivers with a semblance of a team is easily a top 10 QB.  Rivers with AJ letting multiple pro bowl O-linemen, wide receivers, and runningbacks exit town with bottom tier players has a real tough time.  Stafford hasn't established himself yet as a consistent, healthy player.  Rivers has a much higher career completion percentage while also having a significantly higher yards per attempt and completion.  He can play at a high level when he's not playing with the scout team o-line.

Stafford has been healthy and better than Rivers for 2 straight years.  He is also on a one-dimensional offense on a one-dimensional team and nobody has been able to stop him.

And career passing data for a QB who was average in 2011 and horrible in 2012 is virtually meaningless.


You know who else had two amazing years in Detroit?  Jon Kitna.
 
2013-05-20 03:56:26 PM  
What no Tebow?

/ducks
 
2013-05-20 04:12:52 PM  

Slu: F you and your farking auto-play video.

THIS, so farking hard.
 
2013-05-20 04:24:28 PM  
Flacco is too low. I'm a Baltimore fan, but I have gone on record in the past saying I was on the fence about him. But for goodness sakes-- the guy plays amazingly well in the playoffs (every year since entering the league!) He's 9-4 in the post season with a Superbowl, and an Superbowl MVP. And they rank him BELOW Ryan, RG3, Wilson... and AND KAEPERNICK!?! They guy he beat in the Superbowl. The guy who has played 1 year and no one is sure what he'll become. Insanity. Is Flacco elite? No. Is he a top 10? Yes. To say otherwise exposes ignorance or a bias. In fact, I'd put him in 7th or so in the Franchise Gold category.
 
2013-05-20 04:50:09 PM  
Matty Ice needs to go hangout w/ Romo & Stafford until he gets to the super bowl
Breesus is better than Brady.
Schaub should be w/ Vick and Palmer or worse, that end of the season slide and playoff loss are all on his refusal to scramble and noodle arm
 
2013-05-20 04:59:24 PM  

bhcompy: Coach_J: bhcompy: Coach_J: bhcompy: I think that the list is pretty good.  Only real glaring qualms I have is Rivers and Stafford should flip

So lower the guy who finished 7th in DYAR last year for the guy who finished 22nd?

Rivers with a semblance of a team is easily a top 10 QB.  Rivers with AJ letting multiple pro bowl O-linemen, wide receivers, and runningbacks exit town with bottom tier players has a real tough time.  Stafford hasn't established himself yet as a consistent, healthy player.  Rivers has a much higher career completion percentage while also having a significantly higher yards per attempt and completion.  He can play at a high level when he's not playing with the scout team o-line.

Stafford has been healthy and better than Rivers for 2 straight years.  He is also on a one-dimensional offense on a one-dimensional team and nobody has been able to stop him.

And career passing data for a QB who was average in 2011 and horrible in 2012 is virtually meaningless.

You know who else had two amazing years in Detroit?  Jon Kitna.


Lots of yards, more INTs vs. TDs and QBing team to a 10-22 record = "two amazing years".

Try again.
 
2013-05-20 05:23:21 PM  

the1hatman: would it have been so difficult to project Flynn as Oakland's starter


Yes, does Flynn even have 3 career starts? You can't possibly rank someone off that. There's no Raiders QB because the Raiders, for all intents and purposes, have a rookie QB, which they said they weren't ranking.

Also, put me down with "what does the NFL have against Flacco?" group. Honestly, Flacco and Ryans' stats are nearly identical (with Ryan have a slight edge, but as has been noted, he has had an overall better receiving corps as well.), but Flacco crushes Ryan in post season stats (you know, like wins), where it really matters.
 
2013-05-20 05:26:48 PM  
Reminder: last year Detroit put up more pass yards than Green Bay, New England or Denver.  Calvin is really, really good, but Stafford is a huge part of that too.  I'm a GT guy.  I would love to give it all to Calvin, but it isn't all him.
 
2013-05-20 05:31:28 PM  

flak attack: Reminder: last year Detroit put up more pass yards than Green Bay, New England or Denver.  Calvin is really, really good, but Stafford is a huge part of that too.  I'm a GT guy.  I would love to give it all to Calvin, but it isn't all him.


His TD:INT ratio is barely above 1:1 (its 20:17)
 
2013-05-20 05:44:32 PM  

ShadowKamui: flak attack: Reminder: last year Detroit put up more pass yards than Green Bay, New England or Denver.  Calvin is really, really good, but Stafford is a huge part of that too.  I'm a GT guy.  I would love to give it all to Calvin, but it isn't all him.

His TD:INT ratio is barely above 1:1 (its 20:17)


Probably related to the fact that he's either throwing into double coverage (Calvin) or to someone that has no business starting.  Detroit lost several WRs to injury this year.  Calvin is the only WR on their roster that played more than 10 games this year.  Two years ago, when he actually had a healthy WR corp, he went 41:16.
 
2013-05-20 06:36:20 PM  

Coach_J: bhcompy: Coach_J: bhcompy: Coach_J: bhcompy: I think that the list is pretty good.  Only real glaring qualms I have is Rivers and Stafford should flip

So lower the guy who finished 7th in DYAR last year for the guy who finished 22nd?

Rivers with a semblance of a team is easily a top 10 QB.  Rivers with AJ letting multiple pro bowl O-linemen, wide receivers, and runningbacks exit town with bottom tier players has a real tough time.  Stafford hasn't established himself yet as a consistent, healthy player.  Rivers has a much higher career completion percentage while also having a significantly higher yards per attempt and completion.  He can play at a high level when he's not playing with the scout team o-line.

Stafford has been healthy and better than Rivers for 2 straight years.  He is also on a one-dimensional offense on a one-dimensional team and nobody has been able to stop him.

And career passing data for a QB who was average in 2011 and horrible in 2012 is virtually meaningless.

You know who else had two amazing years in Detroit?  Jon Kitna.

Lots of yards, more INTs vs. TDs and QBing team to a 10-22 record = "two amazing years".

Try again.


Because 14-18 over the same period with a more talented team is so much better.  Top tier material right there.  Kitna had no o-line(sacked 2x as much, and much more than his career rate) and gave the Lions hope for the first time since Barry, and that says something considering they were a joke franchise with their draft choices and coaching carousel.
 
2013-05-20 06:42:04 PM  
The guy in the thread who said Derrick Mason wasn't a solid receiver on the Ravens during his seasons with Flacco is kind of an idiot.
 
2013-05-20 07:34:29 PM  

Lost Thought 00: orange whip: Rodgers better show up this year....we know Brady will.

Brady can do all he likes, but that team doesn't have any receivers this year.


Brady has never won anything with a crew of garbage receivers.
 
2013-05-20 08:35:18 PM  

EvilMonkeyBoy: The guy in the thread who said Derrick Mason wasn't a solid receiver on the Ravens during his seasons with Flacco is kind of an idiot.


He said Mason was old.

"Flacco before this year has had a combination of old and busted or super inexperienced players"

Mason was already 31 when he hit the Ravens and he was 34 in Joe's rookie year.  His other main target pre-Boldin was Heap who wasn't "old", but he certainly was busted up.  Heap put his body on the line for those ducks thrown to him by the likes of Elvis Grbac, Chris Redman, Jeff Blake and Kyle Boller.  By the time Flacco got him, his body was already mostly broken down.
 
2013-05-20 08:43:03 PM  

degenerate-afro: EvilMonkeyBoy: The guy in the thread who said Derrick Mason wasn't a solid receiver on the Ravens during his seasons with Flacco is kind of an idiot.

He said Mason was old.

"Flacco before this year has had a combination of old and busted or super inexperienced players"

Mason was already 31 when he hit the Ravens and he was 34 in Joe's rookie year.  His other main target pre-Boldin was Heap who wasn't "old", but he certainly was busted up.  Heap put his body on the line for those ducks thrown to him by the likes of Elvis Grbac, Chris Redman, Jeff Blake and Kyle Boller.  By the time Flacco got him, his body was already mostly broken down.


What about Anquan Boldin?  Not a spring chicken, but not old and busted either.
 
2013-05-20 09:51:32 PM  

bhcompy: What about Anquan Boldin?  Not a spring chicken, but not old and busted either.


I refer you back to the original comment.
 
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