phedex: Obama supporters are blind muppets with a hard on for the government controlling every aspect of their lives.
Gulper Eel: Satanic_Hamster: Mugabe has been in power for decades but the country has only gone to shiats in the last ten.Nonsense. He began his campaign of genocide - Gukurahundi - almost immediately after taking office, signing on in 1980 with the North Koreans he had worked with in the 70's. He has been leading the country to ruin since the beginning.
FatherChaos: All through George W. Bush's two terms, the Democrats led by Nancy Pelosi and others claimed that they represented "a culture of corruption" and yet I cannot recall any significant examples, nor does a look back at those years reveal any scandals resulting from his administration's governance. It was not perfect, but it was not corrupt.[images.encyclopediadramatica.se image 500x389]
Bloody William: The "Canada Free Press," despite its friendly, Detroit-Freep-not-Free-Republic-Freep-sounding name, is a Toronto-based WND ripoff. Two of its editors:Arthur Weinreb - Associate Editor Arthur Weinreb is an author, columnist and Associate Editor of Canada Free Press. His work has appeared on Newsmax.com, Drudge Report, Foxnews.com, Glenn Beck.Klaus Rohrich - Senior Writer Klaus Rohrich has a regular column on retirementhomes.com and is currently working on his first book dealing with the toxicity of liberalism. His work has been featured on the Drudge Report, Rush Limbaugh, Fox News and Lucianne, among others.And the Editor-in-Chief, Judi McLeod? I'll quote Wikipedia:In 2005, McLeod and David Hawkins wrote a series of articles on what they described as the' "radical agenda executed across and, operated by the self-styled 'Global Custodians'." They alleged links between "$40 trillion, via an online portal on the seventy-ninth floor of, to '' developed by Canada for alleged use in the UN scam, and fraud.Conservative writer has described McLeod's writing as that of an "emotionally incontinent ninth grader," while columnist describes her as "eccentric" and the Canada Free Press as a "whacko news site."
Satanic_Hamster: And yet reality disagrees with you.
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Zeppelininthesky: randomjsa: In the history of the nation? I'm not sure.In the last 50 years? Most definitely.You were born after Bush was in office?
armoredbulldozer: At least Bush loves the U.S. Obama hates the U.S.
BojanglesPaladin: Serious Black: gotta be honest. I don't think that's a very good answer to my question.Becasue you are asking a different question than what I am discussing. You want an assesment of his leadership, or his personality type, or a hypothetical of "what *I* think the guy out to be doing". And that's not really what I am talking about.I am saying that it is clear based on his term so far that he is not well equipped to get congressmen (on either side, really) to support him. Other democrats will obviously support him when he is working toward something they already support, but as we have seen on things like gun control, he wasn't even able to get all of his own party on board. In the first few years, Pelosi and Ried could do that for him, but as the years have gone by, he has become less effective in building a strong enough coalition to advance his efforts. We can expect the GOP to oppose him, since that what they were elected to do, but Presdients can usually pick off a few to help pass important stuff.As you say, Obama has tried this and tried that (and quickly abandoning it when there aren't immediate results), but he's just not able to change the game. Why is that?Dunno. Lots of overlapping reasons, I'm sure. Don't care, really. But there is no way to ignre the reality of the results at the end of the day.I just mentioned, that (as I said when he was running the first time) it was too soon. That he was immensely promising, but needed some real work experience in Washington before he got the big promotion. I think I was right about that.Could imagine what an Obama ABLE to work with both sides of the aisle would be like?
Serious Black: That is the problem with your assertion that Obama doesn't know how to work with Congress.
BojanglesPaladin: Serious Black: That is the problem with your assertion that Obama doesn't know how to work with Congress.The problem is that you seem to be missing some or all of my point, which has not much to do with Obama as a person per se. While there is a general concensus that personally, Obama is not as charismatic as many presidents have been (Clinton, GW, Reagan were all legendarily charismatic in person), but I don't think that is the primary issue. You seem to think (or want me to argue) there is some personality trait that is missing, or some magical behavior formula that he should be doing to unlock GOP intransigence. I don't. The opposition party is supposed to oppose. Hard. People elected them to do something different, and to stop him. Nothing will change that. He's never going to make them allies, he can only accomodate and redirect their adversarial efforts. But it's not really about inter-personal skills, or the appropriate number of dinners. (Although he seems to think that it is).In my estimation, the issue is that Obama was elevated before he had a chance to gain the personal knowledge of the power players, the customs, the nuances of dealing with people whose agendas and objectives do not align with your own. He had never been an executive in a position where he had to wrangle people with widely disperate positions who didn;t even like him to work together. Rather, he has almost exclusively worked either as one of many people in a consortium, or surrounded by like-minded people working toward a common objective and sharing a common world-view. I think that a term or two of working in the Senate would have given him the training and experience to be more adept at learning which battles to fight, which concessions to make without losing your primary objective, and which buttons to push with which congressmen. When to use a stick and when to use a carrot, and with whom.Additionaly, after 6-12 years in the senate, he would have had his own power base. He ...
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