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2013-05-19 10:48:38 PM
I just got an iPhone 5 from work, and I really wish they had let me get a Galaxy.  It's a great phone, but it's just too small to type on.  I also can't seem to find a haptic feedback application that doesn't require jalibreaking the phone.  The battery life is horrendous, but I suspect it's pretty bad on the Galaxy as well.   I thought I would end up using it to replace my iPod but it doesn't have enough storage.

I like it well enough, but I was expecting to be amazed.  I was coming from a 3 1/2 year old Blackberry Bold.  So far it's been a pleasant "meh."
 
2013-05-19 10:58:23 PM

Lsherm: I just got an iPhone 5 from work, and I really wish they had let me get a Galaxy.  It's a great phone, but it's just too small to type on.  I also can't seem to find a haptic feedback application that doesn't require jalibreaking the phone.  The battery life is horrendous, but I suspect it's pretty bad on the Galaxy as well.   I thought I would end up using it to replace my iPod but it doesn't have enough storage.

I like it well enough, but I was expecting to be amazed.  I was coming from a 3 1/2 year old Blackberry Bold.  So far it's been a pleasant "meh."


The iPhone is wonderfully predictable, and can be locked down much more effectively for corporate IT purposes. What some see as boring inflexibility means it's much easier to explain to a workforce of varying education levels.

I like an android for my personal use (most of the time, except when I've had some mod go sideways) but if I have to support 1,000 of anything, I'd just order up another crate of iphones.
 
2013-05-19 10:58:55 PM
I bet the HTC One plus the S4 are outselling the iPhone.

/HTC one just looks more "premium"
 
2013-05-19 11:12:31 PM

MisterTweak: Lsherm: I just got an iPhone 5 from work, and I really wish they had let me get a Galaxy.  It's a great phone, but it's just too small to type on.  I also can't seem to find a haptic feedback application that doesn't require jalibreaking the phone.  The battery life is horrendous, but I suspect it's pretty bad on the Galaxy as well.   I thought I would end up using it to replace my iPod but it doesn't have enough storage.

I like it well enough, but I was expecting to be amazed.  I was coming from a 3 1/2 year old Blackberry Bold.  So far it's been a pleasant "meh."

The iPhone is wonderfully predictable, and can be locked down much more effectively for corporate IT purposes. What some see as boring inflexibility means it's much easier to explain to a workforce of varying education levels.

I like an android for my personal use (most of the time, except when I've had some mod go sideways) but if I have to support 1,000 of anything, I'd just order up another crate of iphones.


If anyone still cared about locking down phones, Blackberry was the king of that.  Unfortunately, they made shiatty phones.

We've been using Good for iPhone and Android lockdown.  It works pretty well, but it's such a pain in the ass we're considering just shiatcanning the whole idea of managing phones altogether.
 
2013-05-19 11:17:12 PM
I prefer an actual keyboard to a screen keyboard.  I can be staring at the keys and if i don't feel home row I'll still fark it up.  Hence the reason I'll never get an iPhone.

\yes, I realize I'm in a dying minority, don't care.
 
2013-05-19 11:38:08 PM

Lsherm: MisterTweak: Lsherm: I just got an iPhone 5 from work, and I really wish they had let me get a Galaxy.  It's a great phone, but it's just too small to type on.  I also can't seem to find a haptic feedback application that doesn't require jalibreaking the phone.  The battery life is horrendous, but I suspect it's pretty bad on the Galaxy as well.   I thought I would end up using it to replace my iPod but it doesn't have enough storage.

I like it well enough, but I was expecting to be amazed.  I was coming from a 3 1/2 year old Blackberry Bold.  So far it's been a pleasant "meh."

The iPhone is wonderfully predictable, and can be locked down much more effectively for corporate IT purposes. What some see as boring inflexibility means it's much easier to explain to a workforce of varying education levels.

I like an android for my personal use (most of the time, except when I've had some mod go sideways) but if I have to support 1,000 of anything, I'd just order up another crate of iphones.

If anyone still cared about locking down phones, Blackberry was the king of that.  Unfortunately, they made shiatty phones.

We've been using Good for iPhone and Android lockdown.  It works pretty well, but it's such a pain in the ass we're considering just shiatcanning the whole idea of managing phones altogether.


You're absolutely right - it's a completely flawed idea, but right now there's a metric asston of money in it, so as far as I'm concerned  it's a critical business necessity and the concern of the otherwise-vacuous C-suite is correctly focused on it, and making it a budget priority.

So true what you said about BB - they had a wonderful system, and honestly I *liked* their phones - the last BB i had would last all day on a charge, was totally indestructible, had a for-real keyboard that I could  get 50wpm on, a decent camera.. only complaint I have was the screen was a little small, but it was a reasonable trade.
 
2013-05-19 11:39:17 PM

Lsherm: I just got an iPhone 5 from work, and I really wish they had let me get a Galaxy.  It's a great phone, but it's just too small to type on.  I also can't seem to find a haptic feedback application that doesn't require jalibreaking the phone.  The battery life is horrendous, but I suspect it's pretty bad on the Galaxy as well.   I thought I would end up using it to replace my iPod but it doesn't have enough storage.

I like it well enough, but I was expecting to be amazed.  I was coming from a 3 1/2 year old Blackberry Bold.  So far it's been a pleasant "meh."


I've had the S4 for about a week now. Battery life is actually pretty good. We've been slow at work and I've been watching a few episodes a day of The League plus dicking around on the internet and I leave a 12 hour shift with around 32% battery life. My S2 would crap out after 6 hours of just internet.

The bloatware is barelly noticeable and it runs smooth as hell. Very impressed with this phone.
 
2013-05-19 11:51:52 PM
Verizon just started shipping it. Check again in 3 months.
 
2013-05-20 12:17:24 AM
My S3 is beautiful, and the screen size, compared to the iPhone 5, is much better.  I'll be looking to upgrade to the S4 within a year or so.

/fark Apple
 
2013-05-20 12:23:49 AM
This is why Samsung doesn't release their actual sales figures. Reality doesn't match up with the propaganda their paid shills are putting out.
 
2013-05-20 12:29:24 AM
That guy made a lot of assumptions to justify an article, didn't he?
 
2013-05-20 12:33:20 AM
they are all outselling the vastly superior Nexus 4.
 
2013-05-20 12:41:02 AM
I didn't buy the S4 because my S2 is still so freaking great.
 
2013-05-20 12:45:23 AM

RexTalionis: That guy made a lot of assumptions to justify an article, didn't he?


Oh, come on, it's totally reasonable to assume that 50% of shipments don't sell. Why, look at this evidence:
webdb.ucs.ed.ac.uk
Look at all that unsold product!
 
2013-05-20 12:49:01 AM

bingethinker: This is why Samsung doesn't release their actual sales figures. Reality doesn't match up with the propaganda their paid shills are putting out.


pretty much this ... Apple continues to kick ass in this category - even with "aging" phones.  People want shiat that works.
 
2013-05-20 12:53:23 AM

gingerjet: bingethinker: This is why Samsung doesn't release their actual sales figures. Reality doesn't match up with the propaganda their paid shills are putting out.

pretty much this ... Apple continues to kick ass in this category - even with "aging" phones.  People want shiat that works.


Wait, are you saying that, in some way, Android doesn't work?

Also, I wonder what the iPhone 5 vs. GS3 sales look like.
 
2013-05-20 12:55:17 AM
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2013-05-20 01:00:18 AM

cameroncrazy1984: gingerjet: bingethinker: This is why Samsung doesn't release their actual sales figures. Reality doesn't match up with the propaganda their paid shills are putting out.

pretty much this ... Apple continues to kick ass in this category - even with "aging" phones.  People want shiat that works.

Wait, are you saying that, in some way, Android doesn't work?

Also, I wonder what the iPhone 5 vs. GS3 sales look like.


DAT last sentence.
 
2013-05-20 01:03:45 AM
I will buy an S4 at my first opportunity. I would never consider an iPhone. I'm not much of a hacker, but for FSM's sake, I wanna be able to customize my pharking phone.
 
2013-05-20 01:04:57 AM

FriarReb98: I prefer an actual keyboard to a screen keyboard.


I prefer a gum-rubber thumb keyboard to a screen keyboard, but I prefer a screen keyboard to a keyboard of little plastic nubules that hurt your thumbs when you press them.  Which is every hardware phone keyboard I've tried since my Sidekick Color.
 
2013-05-20 01:07:31 AM

log_jammin: they are all outselling the vastly superior Nexus 4.


The Nexus 4 doesn't have LTE, that alone killed it for me.  Supposedly Samsung is going to start selling a version of the S4 with stock Android  (no skins or carrier add-ons, but you have to pay full price for the phone) so we'll see how that does.  I'm thinking it's going to have the same problem as the Nexus 4 does in the US - people see the no-contract price that is several hundred more than the on-contract price for an iPhone or the S4 through a carrier, and just go with the phone with the contract (hell, I do that myself, I have to pay for service anyway, I might as well take the discount on the phone).

Regarding the S4 vs iPhone 5 - there's a lot of competition in the Android space, especially recently.  The Galaxy S4, HTC One, LG Optimus G Pro, and HTC Droid DNA are all pretty even when it comes to hardware specs and screen size/resolution.  Plus, a ton of Android phone sales are for lower end models that are free or nearly free with contract.  If you want an iPhone, you have to buy it from Apple, and if you want the high end model, there's only one option.
 
2013-05-20 01:08:26 AM

poot_rootbeer: FriarReb98: I prefer an actual keyboard to a screen keyboard.

I prefer a gum-rubber thumb keyboard to a screen keyboard, but I prefer a screen keyboard to a keyboard of little plastic nubules that hurt your thumbs when you press them.  Which is every hardware phone keyboard I've tried since my Sidekick Color.


Remember when smartphones were called "hiptops"?

Good times.
 
2013-05-20 01:10:16 AM

FriarReb98: I prefer an actual keyboard to a screen keyboard.  I can be staring at the keys and if i don't feel home row I'll still fark it up.  Hence the reason I'll never get an iPhone.

\yes, I realize I'm in a dying minority, don't care.


I'm with you, my warclub thumbs can't seem to properly navigate a touchscreen keyboard.  My last phone had a slideout keyboard, but it never was a really popular model and I think it suffered from not having focused updates.  If I could have denied every update I think it would have lasted more than 3 years.

I have a Galaxy S4 and I still have terrible issues with typing but I guess I'll get better.  I just faced facts and got a touchscreen.  The qwertyphone is dead.
 
2013-05-20 01:12:16 AM
I like battery life, the iPhone5 can go days without charge on minimal use. I misplace my phone a lot and FindMy[iDevice] has saved my butt too many times to count.  On my old android the phone would of been dead for any finder/gps app to be of much use.

Love the lightning connector.  "must charge phone" register onlyafter turning out the light. In the dark I still fumble with themicro USB cable. [\cue shiatty informercial: jam cable into phone like an idiot; looks up exasparated] The $10 lightning knockoffs work great.
 
2013-05-20 01:12:22 AM

log_jammin: they are all outselling the vastly superior Nexus 4.


The Nexus 4 is cheap, but that is about all it has going for it now that you can buy a Galaxy S4 with stock Jelly Bean.
 
2013-05-20 01:13:01 AM

clancifer: My S3 is beautiful, and the screen size, compared to the iPhone 5, is much better.  I'll be looking to upgrade to the S4 within a year or so.

/fark Apple


Ah, but that's exactly why the S4 isn't hustling. They've rolled out bunches of phones since 2010, while Apple progressed from the 4 to the 5 in the same period.

The farked up thing... In 2010 the iPhone 4 was big, glitzy phone. In 2013 it's the svelte, discrete model.
 
2013-05-20 01:18:24 AM

clancifer: My S3 is beautiful, and the screen size, compared to the iPhone 5, is much better.  I'll be looking to upgrade to the S4 within a year or so.

/fark Apple


Oh, and the joke should be you can probably buy the S7 if you're going to wait a year.

Seriously, they put out new editions like a textbook publisher in the computer sciences.
 
2013-05-20 01:19:10 AM
Also, since the Galaxy S4 isn't even out on Verizon yet, isn't it a tad early to be comparing sales figures?
 
2013-05-20 01:22:35 AM

wildcardjack: Seriously, they put out new editions like a textbook publisher in the computer sciences.


FTFY
 
2013-05-20 01:28:51 AM
I have a Galaxy S3, an iPhone 4, and a Blackberry Bold 9900.

The Blackberry is my daily work phone, and there is really no substitute. I carry my S3 with me for the occasional LOLCat image I need to view, or other web site. For work, the BB is not replaceable for a variety of reasons

1)BES access to firewall resources
2) keyboard
3) battery
4)durability
5) profiles
6) level 1 alerts
 
2013-05-20 01:31:55 AM
Wait, what? So he just assumed halfway that they haven't sold half of those and ran with it as fact because Apple have sold a bit over half? Hell, he makes it a hover and highlights that he's assuming that as if it's a citation but nope, not a link.

Recently finished working (a week ago) at a major consumer electronics retailer and any stock received across the country either filled pre-orders or was sold an hour after receiving it.
 
2013-05-20 01:40:06 AM
Didn't Sprint buy a shiatload of iPhones with just the hope of selling them to people?
 
2013-05-20 01:41:52 AM
$650 worth of plastic hankered down by 1.8GB of Touchwiz and gimmick features no one cares about after the first time they try them? Where do I sign up??

/Posted from my Nexus 4
 
2013-05-20 01:49:41 AM

gingerjet: pretty much this ... Apple continues to kick ass in this category - even with "aging" phones. People want shiat that works.


My Note 2 works perfectly.
 
2013-05-20 01:54:21 AM
The biggest problem with the S4 is that it just tries to do too much. There are EIGHTEEN toggles in the notification tray, and while some may find that helpful, most of those who are not super techies will just be overwhelmed. The second biggest problem is that since Touchwiz has become so bloated, it takes up nearly half of the space allocated to installed apps!

As someone who is a fan of both Google and Samsung, I really hope that they get the S4 Google Edition out to carriers before the end of the year. Bonus points if it is released to the 32GB platform.
 
2013-05-20 01:56:54 AM
Why do they allow Apple fanboys to write stories.  Basically they are not able to tell the truth.


http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/31397-galaxy-s4-gives-iphone-5-a-g oo d-kicking
 
2013-05-20 02:09:06 AM

magus007: Why do they allow Apple fanboys to write stories.  Basically they are not able to tell the truth.

http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/31397-galaxy-s4-gives-iphone-5-a-g oo d-kicking


Your article: "If the next version of the iPhone is not pretty special then the company should pack it in and do something different."

Yeah, that journalistic masterpiece is much better to fap to.
 
2013-05-20 02:12:29 AM
meh

iOs doesn't suck

/android media stack does
 
2013-05-20 02:14:04 AM

0Icky0: I didn't buy the S4 because my S2 is still so freaking great.


Same.
I don't mind the iphone either, but I think the flash of apple gets its user base to upgrade for no good reason.
 
2013-05-20 02:24:17 AM
I'll take Samsung over Apple any day.  I currently have an Sii Epic Touch.  I can upgrade in July.  I'll get an S4 or whatever is the current bleeding edge that isn't overpriced.  That's assuming I will bother to upgrade.  the Sii is damn good phone.
 
2013-05-20 02:28:56 AM

FriarReb98: I prefer an actual keyboard to a screen keyboard.  I can be staring at the keys and if i don't feel home row I'll still fark it up.  Hence the reason I'll never get an iPhone.


There are a few major issues with Android QWERTY phones that have recently been released.  One issue is that most of them are limited to 4in screens (Stratosphere, Droid).  Another has been the lack of code upgrades (Motorola really pissed off Droid 3 owners by not releasing ICS/4.0).  Because they're niche products, aftermarket kernels often aren't available, or even rootkits for that matter.

I was looking at getting the wife a Stratosphere II, but I was worried that Samsung would quickly dump the platform and that I wouldn't be able to get Cyanogenmod installed.  Same problem with the Droid 4.  So she just sucked it up and got a phone with a virtual keyboard.  She might get a Bluetooth keyboard for rare times when she needs to do a lot of typing while in the field, but chances are she'll just get a tablet instead and use the phone as a hotspot.
 
2013-05-20 02:33:39 AM
Was the iPhone 5 released? When did that happen? Did it actually close the gap at all? Or is it still middle-of-the-pack as far as smartphones?
 
2013-05-20 02:37:34 AM

RexTalionis: That guy made a lot of assumptions to justify an article, didn't he?


This is the same "news organization" that claimed Bill Gates killed Steve Jobs.
 
2013-05-20 02:38:02 AM

ISO15693: Was the iPhone 5 released? When did that happen? Did it actually close the gap at all? Or is it still middle-of-the-pack as far as smartphones?


My bad. That's the old iPhone, not a new one. I'm not sure how this is news - the only choice for people tied to the apple infrastructure, or one particular choice out of dozens for early adopters of newer stuff.

It's like comparing apples and awesome smartphones.
 
2013-05-20 02:38:14 AM

PC LOAD LETTER: Verizon just started shipping it. Check again in 3 months.


The Verizon upgrade tool was showing the GS4 as "shipping in 2-3 weeks".  Ting is showing similar backorder dates.
 
2013-05-20 02:39:11 AM
Perhaps a new 'premium' android phone being released from a different manufacturer every month prevents any single model from outselling an entire class of rival phone.
 
2013-05-20 02:41:56 AM
I've been an iPhone user since Day 1 and a longtime Apple "fanboi" since before that. Like back to the dark days of OS 7.

I really wanted the S4 to be a totally kick-ass phone. Google has been acting hungry with Android and just flat out doing a better job of pushing it forward. Apple is in serious need of a solid, definitive ass kicking. They are playing it WAY too conservative and resting on the laurels of $140B in the bank. Let me count the ways:

- No interapplication communication on iOS
- Aging, stupid developer tools (see WebConnect, the backend for iOS app developers).
- Absolutely no customization to speak of (widgets, keyboard, toggles... nothing).
- Utterly broken cloud services, and seriously limited when they do work.

Yes, iOS works. The problem is, Apple is still obsessed with making a phone that a first time smartphone buyer could pick up and use. Well... the market has sort of changed pretty dramatically since the original iPhone was launched. People get the concept now and are beyond the initial learning curve. Given how deeply a smart phone integrates itself into the life of a user, people are demanding 100,000 different things from them. Nobody expects Apple to fulfill every one of those 100,000 demands, but their highly opinionated, locked-down approach makes iOS just too rigid and inflexible for plasticizing itself around how an individual may wish to use their phone.

Hell, I had to jailbreak my iPhone 5 just to get toggles! I'm in my car a lot and want to use Siri to be more hands free, but Siri activates through the Bluetooth setup in my car... where it just sucks at figuring out what I'm trying to say. So, I want to turn BT off when I'm not on a call so I can use Siri. The Apple way of doing this is buried in Settings/General/Bluetooth, so I just want a fraking toggle, and to get it, I had to Jailbreak the damn phone.

What I really wanted to see happen was for the S4 to just be so over-the-top better than iOS that it would have slapped Apple out of their conservative complacency and make them act farking hungry again. Stop making phones limited to being easy to use by Grandma. Stop letting the sales numbers cover up the aging foundational first principles that drove the iPhone's original creation. Start unlocking the platform and letting people really take iOS to it's potential.

Alas, I don't think any of that is gonna happen. Google will continue to just keep kicking Apple's ass on the service side where all the really interesting things are happening. Eventually, Google will push Android makers aside and leverage the Motorola acquisition, coupled with their service model, to build a phone that definitively kicks Apple's ass at a lower price point. Apple will quickly find themselves in a sudden nose dive, and by the time they realize it, it will be too late. Same thing happened to RIM; strong sales numbers made them blind to the way the industry was turning.

We'll see what happens at Apple's WWDC in a few weeks. If it's a Come to Jesus sort of event where Apple starts turning around their attitude, everything will likely be OK for them. If it's more crap features for Grandma (Siri now has Fandango!) and continued holding of developer's at arm's length through various crappy APIs and development restrictions, Apple is long term toast.
 
2013-05-20 02:52:23 AM

wildcardjack: clancifer: My S3 is beautiful, and the screen size, compared to the iPhone 5, is much better.  I'll be looking to upgrade to the S4 within a year or so.

/fark Apple

Ah, but that's exactly why the S4 isn't hustling. They've rolled out bunches of phones since 2010, while Apple progressed from the 4 to the 5 in the same period.


Yeah you really have to compare sales of the S3 and 4 with the iPhone 5 to make sense. The ranges are far too different to do some dumb one-on-one thing.
 
2013-05-20 02:53:32 AM

Smackledorfer: 0Icky0: I didn't buy the S4 because my S2 is still so freaking great.

Same.
I don't mind the iphone either, but I think the flash of apple gets its user base to upgrade for no good reason.


My Nexus one was the first phone I had that I didn't ditch the moment my contract was up. I'd probably still have it if I hadn't gave it to my son when I got him a line last week.
 
2013-05-20 02:54:30 AM
If Apple doesn't make a larger-screen iPhone by my next upgrade, I'm definitely going from the 4S to the S4. Not that anyone cares. But if anyone from Apple is reading this, you have until November to make it so.
 
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