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2013-05-20 09:44:17 AM

IwasKloot: rabidarmadillo24: The only thing on this list that matters is Neapolitan style pizza. Compared to that, NY and Chicago style are absolute crap, with their preservative laden ingredients. I currently live in Napoli, and love going to my local take-out place, because the people making it have actually gone to a pizzaioli school to learn their trade. Watching the pizza cook for 90 seconds in a blazing hot wood fired oven is truly sublime. Also, using fresh ingredients is important. Fresh buffalo mozzarella from the Campania region, fresh tomatoes grown on Vesuvius, and some local basel, and you have yourself the best pizza ever.

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Can I get an Amen?


Amen.
 
2013-05-20 09:44:17 AM
The twelve most significant moments in the history of pizza. Missing from the list: the advent of superior  VomitousChicago-Style pizza


/ftfy
 
2013-05-20 09:44:57 AM

NewportBarGuy: Chicago-style pizza is just another level of Dante's Inferno. Utter abomination. The end of days are upon us.


If they would just admit it is a pizza-flavored casserole all would be forgiven.
 
2013-05-20 09:47:53 AM
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Deepfried pizza was invented in Scotland in 1970.

You take a frozen pizza, dip it in batter, then deepfry it.


But oh wait, teh whole world is AMeRUCA!'!!rf2 so we can't list it!
 
2013-05-20 09:48:32 AM
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New Haven style (now commonly called NY Style) or GTFO
 
2013-05-20 09:49:49 AM
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Yeah.... you mad
 
2013-05-20 09:58:01 AM

namatad: Pizza:
1) new york style - thin, cut in wedges, yummy
2) detroit pan - thickish - squares - yummy
3) chicago thin - thicker than NYS - cut in 2"x2" squares - yummy
4) chicago thick - connies/unos style - thick and dough - yummy
5) chicago thick - lou malnati style - thick and solid (butter crusty) - yummy
6) chicago stuffed - cheese pie with sauce on top - yummy

7) other variants

tada
guess what
NO one in the universe cares what you think of something that you dont like.
I love all pizza. They have their place.


Cut it out
 
2013-05-20 10:12:04 AM

BKITU: Missing from the list: the advent of superior Chicago-Style pizza

This is actually mentioned in #4.

/Lou Malnati's 4 lyf


^This guy.

REAL Chicagoans rep D'Agostino's or Pequod's. Best sauce and best crust respectively.
 
2013-05-20 10:24:32 AM

Ja Hu Sirius: "Chicago style" takes the Italian word for "pie" kind of literally.

An old friend, a transplant from Boston, opened a successful enterprise in Chicago serving "New Haven style" pizza, which I had never heard of:
http://www.piecechicago.com/

/You're welcome, Billy.


Think New York style, but a touch thicker (it's not translucent) and a touch chewier.
 
Ant
2013-05-20 10:31:29 AM
Chicago style is not pizza. It's good, but it's not pizza. Seems more like a casserole.
 
Ant
2013-05-20 10:41:49 AM
My wife and I make chicken tikka masala pizza every once in a while. It's really good. Tandoori chicken and masala sauce.
 
2013-05-20 10:45:04 AM

Relatively Obscure: Sum Guye: casserole.

And there we go.


/the Groundhog Day of threads.


In before people start saying in before stuff, and before this thread again
 
2013-05-20 10:57:57 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I am of the "Pizza is like sex: even when it's bad it's pretty good" sect

/the ingredients matter more to me than the arrangement
//hold the anchovies


But what about your pizza?
 
2013-05-20 11:13:16 AM

illannoyin: Fubini: St. Louis style pizza is clearly the most superior. Nothing beats provel on a matzo cracker, and you're a heretic if your pizza slices have three sides.


St Louis style pizza is horrible. The cheese, "provel" is an abomination, and is only useful as caulking product.
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2013-05-20 11:19:27 AM
Damn, now I'm hungry for pizza. Who wants to go in on a pie?
 
2013-05-20 11:23:44 AM

NewportBarGuy: Chicago-style pizza is just another level of Dante's Inferno. Utter abomination. The end of days are upon us.


Boo-yah
 
2013-05-20 11:23:49 AM
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2013-05-20 11:30:29 AM

This text is now purple: Ja Hu Sirius: "Chicago style" takes the Italian word for "pie" kind of literally.

An old friend, a transplant from Boston, opened a successful enterprise in Chicago serving "New Haven style" pizza, which I had never heard of:
http://www.piecechicago.com/

/You're welcome, Billy.

Think New York style, but a touch thicker (it's not translucent) and a touch chewier.


That's helpful, thanks.

It sounds a bit like what my Dad used to make on Sunday nights. He's been baking bread from scratch most of my life, and made pizza with a sourdough crust that he was always trying to get thinner, just because it was more challenging (but not easy to fold) and a homemade sauce that he really got right. I've never had anything quite like it anywhere else, but then I never tried anything that was called New Haven style.
 
2013-05-20 11:37:23 AM
I like just about any pizza with any crust and any combination of toppings, but my absolute favorite is bacon jalapeno.

No matter what restaurant I order that from, whether it be gourmet or Domino's, I get a pizza that's at least enjoyable, if not mind-blowing.

You have to work very hard to ruin that combination.

Second favorite would have to be a good, plain, New York-style pepperoni pizza. Taking a couple bites, then folding it over is fine... but NEVER stack two slices together to make a "sandwich". That's what calzones are for...
 
2013-05-20 11:40:54 AM

digitalrain: I'll give Chicago props for their hot dogs, but for pizza? Not so much. When I want pizza,
I want pizza - not quiche with marinara sauce on it.


THIS
 
2013-05-20 11:59:26 AM
Pizza or not, Chicago style can be quite good if done well. My personal favorite is a few hours south, but still as Chicago style as the rest of 'em. 

A recipe for the adventurous.  http://www.pizzamaking.com/papadels.php

/in the city it's Lou Malnati's or nothing.
//Piece is good too.
 
2013-05-20 12:02:01 PM

PunGent: alienated: this thread ( again ) is a waste of electrons. Sometimes thin crust is good, sometimes it is not.sometimes deep dish is good, sometimes its not.
Now excuse me while i consume my frank with ketchup, brown mustard, onions and best foods mayo

Burn in hell, heretic.  Ketchup goes on burgers, mustard goes on hot dogs.


And mayonnaise goes in the garbage.
 
2013-05-20 12:04:20 PM

SockMonkeyHolocaust: That magical moment when you realize you can just call it "za"


Yes? What about that magical moment? Go on...
 
2013-05-20 12:08:27 PM

phartman: Pizza can be had in Italy. Only. Everything else may have its good points and bad points but no pizza is like Italian pizza. End of story.


I have never been to Italy, but the best pizza I ever had in my life was at a restaurant called "Fire and Ice" located in, of all places, Kathmandu, Nepal.  Chef came over from Naples, had an oven shipped to Kathmandu from Italy.  I had the good fortune to eat there the week it opened.  Of course when you're in Nepal you should try Nepali food, but if you're going to be in Kathmandu long enough to want Western food for a change, I highly recommend it.
 
2013-05-20 12:09:16 PM

digitalrain: I'll give Chicago props for their hot dogs, but for pizza? Not so much. When I want pizza,
I want pizza - not quiche with marinara sauce on it.


It's like a freaking 7-layer dip upside down cake lasagna flapjack quicksand pizza meringue with marinara sauce on it.  A pizza stew seeping in a pizza swamp buried under a pizza bog floating in a pizza morass.  A soggy bottom trench rot of a mass grave of pizza toppings just waiting for someone to sprinkle the lime.  Amirite?
 
2013-05-20 12:39:27 PM

ciberido: PunGent: alienated: this thread ( again ) is a waste of electrons. Sometimes thin crust is good, sometimes it is not.sometimes deep dish is good, sometimes its not.
Now excuse me while i consume my frank with ketchup, brown mustard, onions and best foods mayo

Burn in hell, heretic.  Ketchup goes on burgers, mustard goes on hot dogs.

And mayonnaise goes in the garbage.


Barbecue sauce goes on hot dogs, after they've been singed over a grill for 10 min.

/Even better, nothing. Just a grilled hot dog and a bun. I can't explain but the fire gives just the right flavoring.
 
2013-05-20 12:50:01 PM
The only experience I have ever had with deep dish pizza is from Pizza Pizza (or Pizza Hut, one of the craptastic chains).  I tossed it out after one piece, the crust tasted like a sponge that had been soaked in grease for a week. Is this typical of Chicago style crust, or was it just because I ordered from a crappy chain?
 
2013-05-20 01:46:37 PM
TFA was about pizza, not casserole, subby
 
2013-05-20 01:53:42 PM

Dragonflew: The only experience I have ever had with deep dish pizza is from Pizza Pizza (or Pizza Hut, one of the craptastic chains).  I tossed it out after one piece, the crust tasted like a sponge that had been soaked in grease for a week. Is this typical of Chicago style crust, or was it just because I ordered from a crappy chain?


It's because it's from a crappy chain.  In my (admittedly limited) experience, Chicago style crust needs to have a very dry, crispy crust in order to stand up to the huge pile of toppings.
 
2013-05-20 02:21:17 PM
Uno is not pizza.  It is spaghetti sauce in a bread bowl.

Correct Chicago thin-crust pizza used to be had at Chesdan's on Archer Avenue in Brighton Park.  Now, I guess you have to go out to Homer Glen.

The best pizza in the United States is had at Pontillo's, in Cortland, New York, directly descended from the original Pontillo's in Batavia, New York that no longer exists.

Now, let's post some Looties!
 
2013-05-20 02:35:44 PM

ciberido: PunGent: alienated: this thread ( again ) is a waste of electrons. Sometimes thin crust is good, sometimes it is not.sometimes deep dish is good, sometimes its not.
Now excuse me while i consume my frank with ketchup, brown mustard, onions and best foods mayo

Burn in hell, heretic.  Ketchup goes on burgers, mustard goes on hot dogs.

And mayonnaise goes in the garbage.


Yes, yes it does.

Although, I was pleasantly surprised by the peanut butter burger at Bukowski's; not bad, like a Thai beef and peanut sauce dish.
 
2013-05-20 02:45:59 PM

Dragonflew: The only experience I have ever had with deep dish pizza is from Pizza Pizza (or Pizza Hut, one of the craptastic chains).  I tossed it out after one piece, the crust tasted like a sponge that had been soaked in grease for a week. Is this typical of Chicago style crust, or was it just because I ordered from a crappy chain?


Pizza Hut pan pizza is nothing like Chicago style deep dish... PH is just a thick, greasy crust, but otherwise a normally constructed pizza... But, a Chicago deep dish pizza like you'd get from Unos is...well...a unique experience... Think basically a thick pie type crust, filled with a sort of soup constructed of sauce, cheese, and "toppings" (which aren't actually on "top", so would probably more accurately be termed "fillings") all mixed together...

Pizza Hut:
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Chicago style:
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/I'm also in the "Almost any pizza is good pizza!" camp...
 
2013-05-20 03:04:10 PM

verbaltoxin: Damn, now I'm hungry for pizza. Who wants to go in on a pie?


How is your mom?
 
2013-05-20 03:05:27 PM
I have yet to see this "superior Chicago-Style" pizza... it it that much better than that bread bowl full of sh*t they usually sell?
 
2013-05-20 04:09:13 PM

SpectroBoy: New Haven style (now commonly called NY Style) or GTFO


New Haven style and New York style are similar but distinct.
 
2013-05-20 04:35:11 PM

PunGent: ciberido: PunGent: alienated: this thread ( again ) is a waste of electrons. Sometimes thin crust is good, sometimes it is not.sometimes deep dish is good, sometimes its not.
Now excuse me while i consume my frank with ketchup, brown mustard, onions and best foods mayo

Burn in hell, heretic.  Ketchup goes on burgers, mustard goes on hot dogs.

And mayonnaise goes in the garbage.

Yes, yes it does.

Although, I was pleasantly surprised by the peanut butter burger at Bukowski's; not bad, like a Thai beef and peanut sauce dish.


Mayo doesn't belong on a burger.

As for peanut butter, well, ok, I'll give it a try.    I've been pleasantly surprised by just about every meat/nut combination I've tried so far.
 
2013-05-20 04:49:54 PM
I don't consider Chicago style to be within the category of "pizza".

Sure, it tastes good as long as I don't think of it as something other than pizza.
 
2013-05-20 04:50:23 PM

ciberido: PunGent: ciberido: PunGent: alienated: this thread ( again ) is a waste of electrons. Sometimes thin crust is good, sometimes it is not.sometimes deep dish is good, sometimes its not.
Now excuse me while i consume my frank with ketchup, brown mustard, onions and best foods mayo

Burn in hell, heretic.  Ketchup goes on burgers, mustard goes on hot dogs.

And mayonnaise goes in the garbage.

Yes, yes it does.

Although, I was pleasantly surprised by the peanut butter burger at Bukowski's; not bad, like a Thai beef and peanut sauce dish.

Mayo doesn't belong on a burger.

As for peanut butter, well, ok, I'll give it a try.    I've been pleasantly surprised by just about every meat/nut combination I've tried so far.


I'll agree that just mayo is gross. However, I love a burger with sauteed onions/mushrooms, cheddar and russian dressing.
 
2013-05-20 04:50:46 PM
*... as long as I think of it as something other than pizza.
 
2013-05-20 04:55:12 PM

moondo: I don't consider Chicago style to be within the category of "pizza".

Sure, it tastes good as long as I don't think of it as something other than pizza.


I feel somewhat like that when it comes to the whole debate of authentic Mexican versus Tex-Mex versus any other kind of gringo-ized Mexican.  They're all pretty tasty in their own way, but different enough that calling them all "Mexican" seems not quite right.
 
2013-05-20 05:23:36 PM

NewportBarGuy: Chicago-style pizza is just another level of Dante's Inferno. Utter abomination. The end of days are upon us.


If I wanted a quiche, I'll just order a quiche.
 
2013-05-20 05:49:36 PM

Great_Milenko: NewportBarGuy: Chicago-style pizza is just another level of Dante's Inferno. Utter abomination. The end of days are upon us.

The list mentions Pizza Hut as a great moment in pizza history, and THIS is what offends you?!?


Jesus, I didn't even read the link. That makes me very sad. :(
 
2013-05-20 06:41:51 PM

trappedspirit: In before people start saying in before stuff, and before this thread again


In before you in before in befores.
 
2013-05-20 06:44:23 PM

Dragonflew: The only experience I have ever had with deep dish pizza is from Pizza Pizza (or Pizza Hut, one of the craptastic chains).  I tossed it out after one piece, the crust tasted like a sponge that had been soaked in grease for a week. Is this typical of Chicago style crust, or was it just because I ordered from a crappy chain?


I had a limited-time Chicago Style thing from Pizza Hut once.  No.  Not even close.  Not similar in any respect.
 
2013-05-20 06:50:35 PM
mcpizza
 
2013-05-20 09:29:06 PM
Best thin crust Chicago pizza comes from Flamingo Pizza (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Flamingo-Pizza-Of-Miller/379366835954 ) in Miller Beach IN.

And for those that think Chicagoans only eat "gloppy mess" (which you are totally, absolutely, and completely wrong about BTW), there are legions of thin crust fans in Flyover country.
 
2013-05-21 01:13:24 AM

namatad: Pizza:
1) new york style - thin, cut in wedges, yummy
2) detroit pan - thickish - squares - yummy
3) chicago thin - thicker than NYS - cut in 2"x2" squares - yummy
4) chicago thick - connies/unos style - thick and dough - yummy
5) chicago thick - lou malnati style - thick and solid (butter crusty) - yummy
6) chicago stuffed - cheese pie with sauce on top - yummy
7) other variants

tada
guess what
NO one in the universe cares what you think of something that you dont like.
I love all pizza. They have their place.


This is a good point, but I would rank it more like:

Detroit >= Sicilian (great) > New Haven (really good) > generic (depends) > Chicago deep dish (okay if you're in the mood for it) > New York (not pizza) > Neapolitan (Totinos with crap toppings).
 
2013-05-21 01:14:34 AM

SpectroBoy: [assets0.ordienetworks.com image 600x345]

New Haven style (now commonly called NY Style) or GTFO


New Haven style =/= New York style
 
2013-05-21 06:40:38 AM

ciberido: PunGent: ciberido: PunGent: alienated: this thread ( again ) is a waste of electrons. Sometimes thin crust is good, sometimes it is not.sometimes deep dish is good, sometimes its not.
Now excuse me while i consume my frank with ketchup, brown mustard, onions and best foods mayo

Burn in hell, heretic.  Ketchup goes on burgers, mustard goes on hot dogs.

And mayonnaise goes in the garbage.

Yes, yes it does.

Although, I was pleasantly surprised by the peanut butter burger at Bukowski's; not bad, like a Thai beef and peanut sauce dish.

Mayo doesn't belong on a burger.

As for peanut butter, well, ok, I'll give it a try.    I've been pleasantly surprised by just about every meat/nut combination I've tried so far.


Yeah, it was a nice surprise for me also...I think the trick is not to over-do the peanut butter...and, it probably wouldn't work with added ketchup, for instance, so you gotta watch your other condiments; went fine with just lettuce and tomatoes on a basic burger and bun, though.
 
2013-05-21 06:52:34 AM

ciberido: Mayo doesn't belong on a burger.


There has never been a less true statement, ever.  If I was to say that London has a population of 5 and that the US's chief export was unicorn horn shavings it would still be more correct than your hideous, nay, heinous statement.
 
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