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2013-05-19 11:16:09 PM

Manfred J. Hattan: HotWingAgenda: sethstorm: Now someone will complain enough to have sword control laws and that the grip made it an "assault weapon".

I know you're just joking... but now I wonder how that would be approached, if necessary.  I mean, consider the Indonesian keris.  It's grip is basically a pistol grip, because it's a stabbing weapon (historically poisoned) and useless for defense or a prolonged battle.  But it's far less dangerous than a katana with a much straighter grip.

In New York City a blade longer than 4" and not obviously a kitchen knife is how they approach it.


Seriously?  My 5" boot knife is illegal in NYC?  Thank God I can still drink a 64oz soda there.
 
2013-05-19 11:22:20 PM

Felgraf: HotWingAgenda: sethstorm: Now someone will complain enough to have sword control laws and that the grip made it an "assault weapon".

I know you're just joking... but now I wonder how that would be approached, if necessary.  I mean, consider the Indonesian keris.  It's grip is basically a pistol grip, because it's a stabbing weapon (historically poisoned) and useless for defense or a prolonged battle.  But it's far less dangerous than a katana with a much straighter grip.

Counter: Most people who own Katanas own them because they are 'cool', and probably don't know how to cut with one properly (I'm pretty sure you're supposed to use drawing cuts, and not slashes?)


Katanas are awesome for cutting down unarmored peasants who don't bow quick enough, but IMO European swords are actually alot more effective.
 
2013-05-19 11:29:45 PM

Felgraf: HotWingAgenda: sethstorm: Now someone will complain enough to have sword control laws and that the grip made it an "assault weapon".

I know you're just joking... but now I wonder how that would be approached, if necessary.  I mean, consider the Indonesian keris.  It's grip is basically a pistol grip, because it's a stabbing weapon (historically poisoned) and useless for defense or a prolonged battle.  But it's far less dangerous than a katana with a much straighter grip.

Counter: Most people who own Katanas own them because they are 'cool', and probably don't know how to cut with one properly (I'm pretty sure you're supposed to use drawing cuts, and not slashes?)


A few years ago I picked up a $20 "stage" katana at a Renaissance Faire.  It's pretty much useless as anything except a display or costume piece, but I imagine that any home-invader with any sense of self-preservation would flee at the sight of a homeowner with a realistic-looking sword.

If I were to hit someone with it, odds are it wouldn't cut through (it's not sharpened at all), but the blunt trauma would still be quite painful.  Although I have no desire to try it, lest I end up like this guy.
 
2013-05-19 11:35:54 PM

DarkPascual: sethstorm: Now someone will complain enough to have sword control laws and that the grip made it an "assault weapon".

So... that would made the Gunblade a Weapon of Mass Destruction?

[fc02.deviantart.net image 850x580]


Prolly somewhere between OK to confusing for New York for being a six-shooter. ;)
 
2013-05-19 11:38:30 PM

dennysgod: FormlessOne: duenor: RealAmericanHero: The guy with the sword was a drug dealer but don't let that get in the way of a good hero tag.

Where do you get that fact from?

Who cares? Even if correct, it's irrelevant - two armed assholes tried to rob him in his home, and as a result one of the assholes is a fugitive and the other asshole is dead.

Hero tag is still deserved, especially if the police declined to press charges.

Yeah, it has some relevance because if he really is a drug dealer it's not as heroic killing someone who is trying to steal your illegal drugs then trying to steal your TV.


Because dealing drugs means you forfeit all of your rights, or something.
 
2013-05-19 11:45:09 PM

anfrind: Felgraf: HotWingAgenda: sethstorm: Now someone will complain enough to have sword control laws and that the grip made it an "assault weapon".

I know you're just joking... but now I wonder how that would be approached, if necessary.  I mean, consider the Indonesian keris.  It's grip is basically a pistol grip, because it's a stabbing weapon (historically poisoned) and useless for defense or a prolonged battle.  But it's far less dangerous than a katana with a much straighter grip.

Counter: Most people who own Katanas own them because they are 'cool', and probably don't know how to cut with one properly (I'm pretty sure you're supposed to use drawing cuts, and not slashes?)

A few years ago I picked up a $20 "stage" katana at a Renaissance Faire.  It's pretty much useless as anything except a display or costume piece, but I imagine that any home-invader with any sense of self-preservation would flee at the sight of a homeowner with a realistic-looking sword.

If I were to hit someone with it, odds are it wouldn't cut through (it's not sharpened at all), but the blunt trauma would still be quite painful.  Although I have no desire to try it, lest I end up like this guy.


The katana is not a slashing weapon. It's a stabbing one, and very good at that. I like them but I'm no good with one. Now, this, on the other hand, is something I've had since I was a kid and have used for everything from digging to cutting chuck roast to skinning a squirrel. Yes, I'm pretty decent with this (although I don't know how I would be in a fight, never had reason to do so)
i41.servimg.com

Mine is in better shape but not by much.

and this one (which I also have) is just for show and tell
picturearchive.gunauction.com
 
2013-05-19 11:55:06 PM

Great Janitor: As a guy with no fire arms and a nice sword collection, I nod in approval.


Ditto
Most people will freeze up and soil themselves at the sight of a naked blade.

//no guns but a nice sword and a Bowie knife
 
2013-05-19 11:58:12 PM

remus: Manfred J. Hattan: HotWingAgenda: sethstorm: Now someone will complain enough to have sword control laws and that the grip made it an "assault weapon".

I know you're just joking... but now I wonder how that would be approached, if necessary.  I mean, consider the Indonesian keris.  It's grip is basically a pistol grip, because it's a stabbing weapon (historically poisoned) and useless for defense or a prolonged battle.  But it's far less dangerous than a katana with a much straighter grip.

In New York City a blade longer than 4" and not obviously a kitchen knife is how they approach it.

Seriously?  My 5" boot knife is illegal in NYC?  Thank God I can still drink a 64oz soda there.


Gerber mark 1
One of the very best boot knives.
 
2013-05-19 11:58:26 PM

remus: Manfred J. Hattan: HotWingAgenda: sethstorm: Now someone will complain enough to have sword control laws and that the grip made it an "assault weapon".

I know you're just joking... but now I wonder how that would be approached, if necessary.  I mean, consider the Indonesian keris.  It's grip is basically a pistol grip, because it's a stabbing weapon (historically poisoned) and useless for defense or a prolonged battle.  But it's far less dangerous than a katana with a much straighter grip.

In New York City a blade longer than 4" and not obviously a kitchen knife is how they approach it.

Seriously?  My 5" boot knife is illegal in NYC?  Thank God I can still drink a 64oz soda there.


Well laws vary from state to state and city to city, but in most states you can have any length of blade in your home but a limit on what you can carry and/or conceal.

In most states you can only carry a concealed knife of up to 4", but if its over 4" it has to be carried openly.
 
2013-05-20 12:00:54 AM

dennysgod: FormlessOne: duenor: RealAmericanHero: The guy with the sword was a drug dealer but don't let that get in the way of a good hero tag.

Where do you get that fact from?

Who cares? Even if correct, it's irrelevant - two armed assholes tried to rob him in his home, and as a result one of the assholes is a fugitive and the other asshole is dead.

Hero tag is still deserved, especially if the police declined to press charges.

Yeah, it has some relevance because if he really is a drug dealer it's not as heroic killing someone who is trying to steal your illegal drugs then trying to steal your TV.


So he should have stolen the TV first? I'm confused . . .
 
2013-05-20 12:01:36 AM
Short of a situation where those breaking in are legally justified (ie saving a kidnap victim or some such) I can think of no situation where I would think anything other then that the dead home invader got what he deserved. I don't care if the victim was a drug kingpin, home invaders deserve to get shot, or as the circumstances dictate, run through with a sword.
 
2013-05-20 12:14:12 AM
Am I missing the part about lobbing anyone's head off or is subby off his meds again?

/Here we are
//Born to be kings
///We're the princes of the universe
////slashie slash slash
 
2013-05-20 12:23:40 AM

Shadowtag: Am I missing the part about lobbing anyone's head off or is subby off his meds again?

/Here we are
//Born to be kings
///We're the princes of the universe
////slashie slash slash


Dude, you have to lop off someone's head before you can lob it.

/not helping
//I didn't see anything specific about the fatal wound, but I didn't read any other sources
 
2013-05-20 12:30:14 AM

duenor: and this one (which I also have) is just for show and tell


Now that's a knife.
 
2013-05-20 01:05:36 AM
That nothing town has a PD?!
 
2013-05-20 01:13:43 AM

duenor: anfrind: Felgraf: HotWingAgenda: sethstorm: Now someone will complain enough to have sword control laws and that the grip made it an "assault weapon".

I know you're just joking... but now I wonder how that would be approached, if necessary.  I mean, consider the Indonesian keris.  It's grip is basically a pistol grip, because it's a stabbing weapon (historically poisoned) and useless for defense or a prolonged battle.  But it's far less dangerous than a katana with a much straighter grip.

Counter: Most people who own Katanas own them because they are 'cool', and probably don't know how to cut with one properly (I'm pretty sure you're supposed to use drawing cuts, and not slashes?)

A few years ago I picked up a $20 "stage" katana at a Renaissance Faire.  It's pretty much useless as anything except a display or costume piece, but I imagine that any home-invader with any sense of self-preservation would flee at the sight of a homeowner with a realistic-looking sword.

If I were to hit someone with it, odds are it wouldn't cut through (it's not sharpened at all), but the blunt trauma would still be quite painful.  Although I have no desire to try it, lest I end up like this guy.

The katana is not a slashing weapon. It's a stabbing one, and very good at that. I like them but I'm no good with one. Now, this, on the other hand, is something I've had since I was a kid and have used for everything from digging to cutting chuck roast to skinning a squirrel. Yes, I'm pretty decent with this (although I don't know how I would be in a fight, never had reason to do so)
[i41.servimg.com image 640x427]

Mine is in better shape but not by much.

and this one (which I also have) is just for show and tell
[picturearchive.gunauction.com image 644x484]


i love bayonets. i have waaaaay too many of them at this point. the good point is that now however i have so many of them that the wife doesnt notice when the new ones show up.

is the top one a FN49/56 bayonet?

i have a box of the other one you posted there. is that a victorinox or a neuhausen?
 
2013-05-20 01:22:42 AM
It sickens me that they act like Britons. farking blades needs to be banned! If we can save just one child, it is all worth it.

Choose spoons!
 
2013-05-20 01:24:46 AM
Way to screw up the line subby.
 
2013-05-20 02:24:00 AM

StoPPeRmobile: It sickens me that they act like Britons. farking blades needs to be banned! If we can save just one child, it is all worth it.

Choose spoons!


media.liveauctiongroup.net
 
2013-05-20 02:31:14 AM
Phew, if this was a gun, everyone here would have been calling for a lynching.
 
2013-05-20 02:37:16 AM
Duenor: The katana is not a slashing weapon. It's a stabbing one, and very good at that. I like them but I'm no good with one.

I think we know why you're not very good with a katana...
 
2013-05-20 02:46:03 AM

lymond01: Duenor: The katana is not a slashing weapon. It's a stabbing one, and very good at that. I like them but I'm no good with one.

I think we know why you're not very good with a katana...


Lol.
 
2013-05-20 03:01:38 AM

ghare: I call bullshiat. No one can defend themselves without assault rifles and monstrous clips.


I'm not surprised to see someone make the suggestion, but yeah, a lot of people need a lot more than a primitive weapon to defend themselves.  A woman out at night will be better protected with a handgun.  Someone dealing with home invaders probably should have a few large capacity magazines.  Anyone who doesn't have a ton of time to spend practicing how to shoot will be accurate with far less training with an AR-15.

That's the reason these weapons are deployed by police and the military.  They are more effective and thus a law abiding citizen is a lot safer if that's what they use to protect themselves.

A world where guns are banned will be one where young and strong men are much more protected than women.  It's a better world with equalizers.
 
2013-05-20 03:05:19 AM

Somacandra: RealAmericanHero: The guy with the sword was a drug dealer but don't let that get in the way of a good hero tag.

The only thing that stops the bad guy with a grovely voice is a Connor MacLeod with Ramirez's katana.

Highlander 3 doesn't count.


There wasn't a third Highlander movie, silly!
/There can be only one Highlander film
 
2013-05-20 03:08:11 AM
At least the cut improved his voice.
 
2013-05-20 03:19:06 AM

HotWingAgenda: HighZoolander: (the image doesn't display correctly in Safari, and just shows the top part of the image, in case it looks fine for everyone else and nobody has any idea what I'm talking about...)

Same in Firefox.  I assumed the lower half of his face was physically chopped off.


Wouldn't t make more sense to say that the upper half of his head was chopped off?
 
2013-05-20 03:24:00 AM

dennysgod: FormlessOne: duenor: RealAmericanHero: The guy with the sword was a drug dealer but don't let that get in the way of a good hero tag.

Where do you get that fact from?

Who cares? Even if correct, it's irrelevant - two armed assholes tried to rob him in his home, and as a result one of the assholes is a fugitive and the other asshole is dead.

Hero tag is still deserved, especially if the police declined to press charges.

Yeah, it has some relevance because if he really is a drug dealer it's not as heroic killing someone who is trying to steal your illegal drugs then trying to steal your TV.


There is not evidence it was about drugs. There was a link to a different home invasion that was about drugs at the bottom, but nothing in this article about it being drug related. If it was drug related, same result. It does not matter what the 'invaders' were trying to steal. Busting up someone's house and stealing their drugs is still pretty gosh darned illegal.
 
2013-05-20 03:34:20 AM

anotar: StoPPeRmobile: It sickens me that they act like Britons. farking blades needs to be banned! If we can save just one child, it is all worth it.

Choose spoons!

[media.liveauctiongroup.net image 250x250]


images1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-05-20 03:35:01 AM

Acharne: dennysgod: FormlessOne: duenor: RealAmericanHero: The guy with the sword was a drug dealer but don't let that get in the way of a good hero tag.

Where do you get that fact from?

Who cares? Even if correct, it's irrelevant - two armed assholes tried to rob him in his home, and as a result one of the assholes is a fugitive and the other asshole is dead.

Hero tag is still deserved, especially if the police declined to press charges.

Yeah, it has some relevance because if he really is a drug dealer it's not as heroic killing someone who is trying to steal your illegal drugs then trying to steal your TV.

There is not evidence it was about drugs. There was a link to a different home invasion that was about drugs at the bottom, but nothing in this article about it being drug related. If it was drug related, same result. It does not matter what the 'invaders' were trying to steal. Busting up someone's house and stealing their drugs is still pretty gosh darned illegal.


Either way, Net gain for society as a whole.
 
2013-05-20 03:43:36 AM

DarkPascual: So... that would made the Gunblade a Weapon of Mass Destruction?


encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-05-20 05:33:09 AM

Felgraf: HotWingAgenda: sethstorm: Now someone will complain enough to have sword control laws and that the grip made it an "assault weapon".

I know you're just joking... but now I wonder how that would be approached, if necessary.  I mean, consider the Indonesian keris.  It's grip is basically a pistol grip, because it's a stabbing weapon (historically poisoned) and useless for defense or a prolonged battle.  But it's far less dangerous than a katana with a much straighter grip.

Counter: Most people who own Katanas own them because they are 'cool', and probably don't know how to cut with one properly (I'm pretty sure you're supposed to use drawing cuts, and not slashes?)


You're not supposed to draw OR push; clean, straight slash.  (and you CAN stab with a katana, but it's not really the primary attack...and kendo, iirc, is mostly cutting strikes):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcJUvkhw8WU
 
2013-05-20 05:40:26 AM

drewogatory: Felgraf: HotWingAgenda: sethstorm: Now someone will complain enough to have sword control laws and that the grip made it an "assault weapon".

I know you're just joking... but now I wonder how that would be approached, if necessary.  I mean, consider the Indonesian keris.  It's grip is basically a pistol grip, because it's a stabbing weapon (historically poisoned) and useless for defense or a prolonged battle.  But it's far less dangerous than a katana with a much straighter grip.

Counter: Most people who own Katanas own them because they are 'cool', and probably don't know how to cut with one properly (I'm pretty sure you're supposed to use drawing cuts, and not slashes?)

Katanas are awesome for cutting down unarmored peasants who don't bow quick enough, but IMO European swords are actually alot more effective.


Depends on the era, the sword maker, etc...there were early Middle Ages European battles where the two sides would take a break to straighten out their crappy swords after a couple hours of fighting.  And, of course, a variety of effective killing designs, depending on the era and your opponent's gear.

The problem is modern katana groupies tend not to understand that there were plenty of crappy katanas made...they just weren't the ones that ended up in museums.

And there's a reason modern smiths in Japan tend to use ore from Sweden...
 
2013-05-20 06:31:13 AM

RealAmericanHero: The guy with the sword was a drug dealer but don't let that get in the way of a good hero tag.


Drugs shouldn't be illegal.

So double hero.
 
2013-05-20 07:38:09 AM
Drug dealer or not, I feel it's a net gain for society whenever a home invading criminal over the age of 14 is killed.
 
2013-05-20 08:15:04 AM

duenor: The katana is not a slashing weapon. It's a stabbing one, and very good at that. I like them but I'm no good with one. Now, this, on the other hand, is something I've had since I was a kid and have used for everything from digging to cutting chuck roast to skinning a squirrel. Yes, I'm pretty decent with this (although I don't know how I would be in a fight, never had reason to do so)


I'm almost positive that the Katana is a slashing weapon as well as stabbing.  The whole art of Tameshigiri is based on cutting.
 
2013-05-20 08:15:48 AM

Fark_Guy_Rob: Drug dealer or not, I feel it's a net gain for society whenever a home invading criminal over the age of 14 is killed.


And if a younger one buys it on "take your kid to work day", I'm not really going to put him in the loss column either...
 
2013-05-20 08:21:14 AM

Rocket To Russia: Home-invader-learns-THERE-CAN-ONLY-BE-ONE

The line is, "There can be only one."
Someone had to say it. I was hoping somebody else would, but nooo, so I have to look like the jerk.


I would have gotten to this but I'm working the morning shift.  Thanks for getting the weekend overnight.
 
2013-05-20 08:23:26 AM

RealAmericanHero: The guy with the sword was a drug dealer but don't let that get in the way of a good hero tag.


Can you imagine the street cred a drug dealer gets when he kills a gun wielding stickup man with a farking sword?

Yeah, see if HIS bags ever end up short again....
 
2013-05-20 08:25:18 AM
oh, and obligatory movie reference:

mimg.ugo.com
 
2013-05-20 08:26:35 AM

PunGent: drewogatory: Felgraf: HotWingAgenda: sethstorm: Now someone will complain enough to have sword control laws and that the grip made it an "assault weapon".

I know you're just joking... but now I wonder how that would be approached, if necessary.  I mean, consider the Indonesian keris.  It's grip is basically a pistol grip, because it's a stabbing weapon (historically poisoned) and useless for defense or a prolonged battle.  But it's far less dangerous than a katana with a much straighter grip.

Counter: Most people who own Katanas own them because they are 'cool', and probably don't know how to cut with one properly (I'm pretty sure you're supposed to use drawing cuts, and not slashes?)

Katanas are awesome for cutting down unarmored peasants who don't bow quick enough, but IMO European swords are actually alot more effective.

Depends on the era, the sword maker, etc...there were early Middle Ages European battles where the two sides would take a break to straighten out their crappy swords after a couple hours of fighting.  And, of course, a variety of effective killing designs, depending on the era and your opponent's gear.

The problem is modern katana groupies tend not to understand that there were plenty of crappy katanas made...they just weren't the ones that ended up in museums.

And there's a reason modern smiths in Japan tend to use ore from Sweden...


This never happened ever.  There was damned good steel production going on in Europe before the Romans arrived and early Arabic written accounts made several mention of the great steel weapons available from Europe.  In addition, the swords found in Nydam were pattern welded from different varieties of steal and deferentially hardened.  Europe had good steel, they knew how to use different varieties of steel on the same piece, and anyone who could afford a sword would't buy one out of pot metal.
 
2013-05-20 08:34:27 AM

Abacus9: Somacandra: RealAmericanHero: The guy with the sword was a drug dealer but don't let that get in the way of a good hero tag.

The only thing that stops the bad guy with a grovely voice is a Connor MacLeod with Ramirez's katana.

Highlander 3 doesn't count.

There wasn't a third Highlander movie, silly!
/There can be only one Highlander film


I know, how could there be a third when there wasn't even a second one?! One movie and a decent TV series, and that's all there was...

/The TV series was actually superior, IMHO...
//And, Duncan was way cooler than Connor...
 
2013-05-20 08:50:07 AM

Rocket To Russia: Home-invader-learns-THERE-CAN-ONLY-BE-ONE

The line is, "There can be only one."
Someone had to say it. I was hoping somebody else would, but nooo, so I have to look like the jerk.


Came here to say this. Surprised it took so long.

/ jerk
 
2013-05-20 09:00:04 AM
At least the story had a partially happy ending.  Damn shame the other dreg got away.
 
2013-05-20 09:10:50 AM

StoPPeRmobile: It sickens me that they act like Britons. farking blades needs to be banned! If we can save just one child, it is all worth it.

Choose spoons!


i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-20 10:28:22 AM
duenor:

The katana is not a slashing weapon.

You are an idiot.
 
2013-05-20 11:50:02 AM

duenor: anfrind: Felgraf: HotWingAgenda: sethstorm: Now someone will complain enough to have sword control laws and that the grip made it an "assault weapon".

I know you're just joking... but now I wonder how that would be approached, if necessary.  I mean, consider the Indonesian keris.  It's grip is basically a pistol grip, because it's a stabbing weapon (historically poisoned) and useless for defense or a prolonged battle.  But it's far less dangerous than a katana with a much straighter grip.

Counter: Most people who own Katanas own them because they are 'cool', and probably don't know how to cut with one properly (I'm pretty sure you're supposed to use drawing cuts, and not slashes?)

A few years ago I picked up a $20 "stage" katana at a Renaissance Faire.  It's pretty much useless as anything except a display or costume piece, but I imagine that any home-invader with any sense of self-preservation would flee at the sight of a homeowner with a realistic-looking sword.

If I were to hit someone with it, odds are it wouldn't cut through (it's not sharpened at all), but the blunt trauma would still be quite painful.  Although I have no desire to try it, lest I end up like this guy.

The katana is not a slashing weapon. It's a stabbing one, and very good at that. I like them but I'm no good with one. Now, this, on the other hand, is something I've had since I was a kid and have used for everything from digging to cutting chuck roast to skinning a squirrel. Yes, I'm pretty decent with this (although I don't know how I would be in a fight, never had reason to do so)
[i41.servimg.com image 640x427]

Mine is in better shape but not by much.

and this one (which I also have) is just for show and tell
[picturearchive.gunauction.com image 644x484]


Is that from and M1-Carbine?
 
2013-05-20 11:58:25 AM
Katana = slash/stab

What you are not supposed to do with it is hack like a baseball bat.

/cannot remember the movie I got that from
 
2013-05-20 01:18:47 PM
What kind of sword are we talking about here? Katana? Claymore? French-style rapier?

I want details, dammit!
 
2013-05-20 02:11:31 PM

Running a-puck: PunGent: drewogatory: Felgraf: HotWingAgenda: sethstorm: Now someone will complain enough to have sword control laws and that the grip made it an "assault weapon".

I know you're just joking... but now I wonder how that would be approached, if necessary.  I mean, consider the Indonesian keris.  It's grip is basically a pistol grip, because it's a stabbing weapon (historically poisoned) and useless for defense or a prolonged battle.  But it's far less dangerous than a katana with a much straighter grip.

Counter: Most people who own Katanas own them because they are 'cool', and probably don't know how to cut with one properly (I'm pretty sure you're supposed to use drawing cuts, and not slashes?)

Katanas are awesome for cutting down unarmored peasants who don't bow quick enough, but IMO European swords are actually alot more effective.

Depends on the era, the sword maker, etc...there were early Middle Ages European battles where the two sides would take a break to straighten out their crappy swords after a couple hours of fighting.  And, of course, a variety of effective killing designs, depending on the era and your opponent's gear.

The problem is modern katana groupies tend not to understand that there were plenty of crappy katanas made...they just weren't the ones that ended up in museums.

And there's a reason modern smiths in Japan tend to use ore from Sweden...

This never happened ever.  There was damned good steel production going on in Europe before the Romans arrived and early Arabic written accounts made several mention of the great steel weapons available from Europe.  In addition, the swords found in Nydam were pattern welded from different varieties of steal and deferentially hardened.  Europe had good steel, they knew how to use different varieties of steel on the same piece, and anyone who could afford a sword would't buy one out of pot metal.


And if you COULDN'T afford one, you took whatever crap they handed you when they stuck your sorry ass in the front line.  Not everyone in Europe OR Japan could afford a decent sword at all times in every geographic location.  And look at the British 1788 pattern heavy cavalry sabre...Westerners had been making good swords...much of the time...for ages...and it STILL sucked.

Don't be the Western equivalent of a katana-fanboy...weapons change, human nature doesn't.
 
2013-05-20 02:15:13 PM

Running a-puck: PunGent: drewogatory: Felgraf: HotWingAgenda: sethstorm: Now someone will complain enough to have sword control laws and that the grip made it an "assault weapon".

I know you're just joking... but now I wonder how that would be approached, if necessary.  I mean, consider the Indonesian keris.  It's grip is basically a pistol grip, because it's a stabbing weapon (historically poisoned) and useless for defense or a prolonged battle.  But it's far less dangerous than a katana with a much straighter grip.

Counter: Most people who own Katanas own them because they are 'cool', and probably don't know how to cut with one properly (I'm pretty sure you're supposed to use drawing cuts, and not slashes?)

Katanas are awesome for cutting down unarmored peasants who don't bow quick enough, but IMO European swords are actually alot more effective.

Depends on the era, the sword maker, etc...there were early Middle Ages European battles where the two sides would take a break to straighten out their crappy swords after a couple hours of fighting.  And, of course, a variety of effective killing designs, depending on the era and your opponent's gear.

The problem is modern katana groupies tend not to understand that there were plenty of crappy katanas made...they just weren't the ones that ended up in museums.

And there's a reason modern smiths in Japan tend to use ore from Sweden...

This never happened ever.


Oh, and, here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Age_sword

Note the bit about bending during use.

I recommend By the Sword, if you want to learn more.  And, of course, Oakeshott.
 
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