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2013-05-19 04:43:58 PM
that is a big storm,

stay safe
 
2013-05-19 04:46:20 PM
You know it's bad when NWS evacuates their station.  Hope my friends up there are riding it out ok.
 
2013-05-19 05:01:17 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-19 05:15:53 PM
Video unavailable.
 
2013-05-19 05:18:01 PM
North OKC and Edmond getting hit now too
 
2013-05-19 05:41:00 PM
Well, THAT sucked! O_O

\ Currently in Wichita.
\\ Power is out.
\\\ Slashies.
 
2013-05-19 05:45:17 PM
I've been texting my friend in Wichita. He's in the basement with his dog. He's from Arizona and says that our monsoons have nothing on Kansas.
 
2013-05-19 05:47:27 PM

Captain Steroid: Well, THAT sucked! O_O

\ Currently in Wichita.
\\ Power is out.
\\\ Slashies.


Keep low

/stay safe
 
2013-05-19 05:54:04 PM
Oh, goodie. A new tornado is heading for Udall, KS.

It was wiped off the map by one in 1955.

They... never quite recovered. >_>
 
2013-05-19 05:56:56 PM
OKC news has a helicopter tracking a 1/2 mile wide and growing tornado now. http://kfor.com/on-air/live-streaming/
 
2013-05-19 05:59:25 PM

2xhelix: OKC news has a helicopter tracking a 1/2 mile wide and growing tornado now. http://kfor.com/on-air/live-streaming/


Weather Channel is showing that, and Cantore is with Reed Timmer following it.
 
2013-05-19 06:01:53 PM

2xhelix: OKC news has a helicopter tracking a 1/2 mile wide and growing tornado now. http://kfor.com/on-air/live-streaming/


Well... that's not good. o_o
 
2013-05-19 06:04:01 PM
F4, a mile wide and still growing.  Damn that's a beast of a tornado!
 
2013-05-19 06:25:34 PM

2xhelix: F4, a mile wide and still growing.  Damn that's a beast of a tornado!


For some reason, I always have a mental image of F4 as meaning F*CKF*CKF*CKF*CK!

/slightly appropriate, I guess
//stay safe, all in that area
 
2013-05-19 06:28:47 PM
i40.tinypic.com
 
2013-05-19 06:33:25 PM
If you ever get caught in the path of a tornado, drive your car on top of the highest hill possible, provided that it is under a bridge and attached to the outermost room in your house.  This will keep you safe if you are in the path of a tornado.
 
2013-05-19 06:36:37 PM
This is Obama's Katie Vick.
 
2013-05-19 06:36:57 PM

doglover: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 640x480]


Nice.
 
2013-05-19 06:37:46 PM
The lineman for the county is going to very, very busy driving the main road searching for another overload.
 
2013-05-19 06:38:03 PM
Stay safe, Farkers.

Meanwhile, I'll retire to my lab and begin work on a weather control machine.
 
2013-05-19 06:38:05 PM
This is Wichita's Benghazi.
 
2013-05-19 06:38:14 PM
It's not fun loading screaming animals into an underground tornado shelter. The storm passed over our house but the clouds definitely looked weird.
 
2013-05-19 06:38:20 PM
I was wondering if this would get an article on Fark. Been watching it for a while now as the main cell heads my way.
It's always fun to see the weathermen and meteorologists excited
 
2013-05-19 06:38:23 PM
If this heads into F5 category it will be bad news...for Triple H
 
2013-05-19 06:38:25 PM
The safest* place during a tornado is outside, in the middle of a field.


* Definition of safest may be twisted.
 
2013-05-19 06:38:52 PM
This is news to me! I'm currently in Wichita and it's sunny!

/you're about 2 hours late
 
2013-05-19 06:39:03 PM
Goddamn Norman, OK again. That place is like ground zero for these things.
 
2013-05-19 06:39:21 PM

shower_in_my_socks: This is Wichita's Benghazi.


Wichita Strong. Today we are all Wichita.
 
2013-05-19 06:39:24 PM
Get up under the girders!
 
2013-05-19 06:39:52 PM
Been watching for a couple hours now... Gonna be an interesting night.

/Hopes no one gets killed, but also loving the intense weather, and sad most of it will miss where I am.

That is ONE BIG ASS TORNADO WATCH... well, a series of watches actually

icons-sf.wunderground.com
 
2013-05-19 06:40:32 PM
Ah, so now we get to hear why it's okay for Brownback to request federal aid, but it was bad for Christie to do it.

Should we start a betting pool on how long that takes?
 
2013-05-19 06:40:47 PM

Mock26: The safest* place during a tornado is outside, in the middle of a field.


* Definition of safest may be twisted.


You mean the *best place to be in a tornado.

/Along with a good camera, and some form of hail shield.

//Added that last part after a rather painful experience in the 90s.
 
2013-05-19 06:40:49 PM
They sent out a warning, but apparently everybody knows about it from the Queen of England to the hounds of hell.
 
2013-05-19 06:41:00 PM
I know I'm looking forward to this evening. I live in Lincoln, NE. Every time the sirens go off, puerile in this part of the country wonder why we still live here.
 
2013-05-19 06:41:10 PM

hitlersbrain: It's not fun loading screaming animals into an underground tornado shelter.


You think animals are hard, try nurses...
 
2013-05-19 06:41:18 PM
God hates the FARK out of red states.

/seriously, be safe and get the fark underground or hold a mattress over your head or do whatever the fark you do in a place where storms knock down buildings
 
2013-05-19 06:42:01 PM

EmmaLou: I know I'm looking forward to this evening. I live in Lincoln, NE. Every time the sirens go off, puerile in this part of the country wonder why we still live here.


Freud found your slip.
 
2013-05-19 06:42:09 PM
it sucked.
 
2013-05-19 06:42:24 PM
s22.postimg.org
 
2013-05-19 06:42:28 PM
Doooooom!!

Or the start of tornado season.

But, mostly doooooooom.

/ last time this happenes the amateur weather spotters actually caused more damage then the twister
 
2013-05-19 06:43:08 PM

NewportBarGuy: [i40.tinypic.com image 431x300]


Yea, holding on to a leather belt tied to a pipe will stop a full blown twister from sucking you away to Oz.
 
2013-05-19 06:43:11 PM
Goddamnit.

We have an office in Wichita. Every time they shut down, their traffic gets routed to us.

/Yeah, selfish bastard. Going to hell.
 
2013-05-19 06:43:18 PM
Any news as to any storms headed towards north central Texas? We've already had one this week and I'm afraid we'll get another
 
2013-05-19 06:43:30 PM

hitlersbrain: It's not fun loading screaming animals into an underground tornado shelter.


You should try doing it with a girl. On a first date. When there's no storm. They will NOT shut the fark up about it.
 
2013-05-19 06:43:38 PM
fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net

My street currently after the storm. It's.flooded and a tree is down just down the road.
fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net

This is my poor kitty Hank who rode the storm outside. He's all wet :-(
 
2013-05-19 06:43:43 PM
Stay safe you middle of amurica farkers.
 
2013-05-19 06:43:48 PM

iheartscotch: / last time this happenes the amateur weather spotters actually caused more damage then the twister


15 years ago I would have fought you over those words... Now I just nod and go back to looking at GR3
 
2013-05-19 06:43:52 PM
"Let's move out to the Midwest," the boyfriend says. "Tornadoes aren't that bad," he says.

Yeah. F*ck that noise.
 
2013-05-19 06:44:48 PM

The Pope of Manwich Village: The lineman for the county is going to very, very busy driving the main road searching for another overload.


topnews.in

What a Wichita lineman might look like
 
2013-05-19 06:45:05 PM
CNN is very somber. They must be getting a lot of ratings right now.
 
2013-05-19 06:45:14 PM

EmmaLou: I know I'm looking forward to this evening. I live in Lincoln, NE. Every time the sirens go off, puerile in this part of the country wonder why we still live here.


Nobody lives in the breadbasket because they want to. It's like this train, it can only go where the rails take it.
 
2013-05-19 06:45:25 PM
Is there such thing as an F5?
 
2013-05-19 06:46:04 PM

aevorea: "Let's move out to the Midwest," the boyfriend says. "Tornadoes aren't that bad," he says.

Yeah. F*ck that noise.


I've been in 7. Unless it's an EF-4 or better, you'll survive if you keep your wits about you and know what to do when crap gets bad.

/Problem is, you don't know if it's an EF-4 or better until after it's killed you and everyone you know.
 
2013-05-19 06:46:05 PM
WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE OH GOD! WHYYYYY
 
2013-05-19 06:46:10 PM

SCUBA_Archer: Is there such thing as an F5?


My keyboard goes all the way to F12.
 
2013-05-19 06:46:37 PM
Tornado allegedly wants to work the saw, watch sweat drip out of every pore.
 
2013-05-19 06:46:40 PM
cheap_thoughts:

This is my poor kitty Hank who rode the storm outside. He's all wet :-(

Looks like the storm really shook his face up good.  :)

A wet kitteh is a pissed off kitteh.
 
2013-05-19 06:46:40 PM

skinink: NewportBarGuy: [i40.tinypic.com image 431x300]

Yea, holding on to a leather belt tied to a pipe will stop a full blown twister from sucking you away to Oz.


Are you trying to tell me that wasn't a documentary recorded in real-time? Get the f*ck outta town!
 
2013-05-19 06:46:40 PM

Shadow Blasko: Mock26: The safest* place during a tornado is outside, in the middle of a field.


* Definition of safest may be twisted.

You mean the *best place to be in a tornado.

/Along with a good camera, and some form of hail shield.

//Added that last part after a rather painful experience in the 90s.


Only experienced my first halfway decent hail storm last year (about the size of a quarter); I'd been in pea-sized hail before).

Have yet to witness a tornado.
 
kth
2013-05-19 06:46:43 PM
This is gonna be a long night.
 
2013-05-19 06:46:44 PM

make me some tea: Goddamn Norman, OK again. That place is like ground zero for these things.


There's a lot of excited meteorology students today. I doubt OU advertises it this way, but this stuff can't be taught in a classroom.
 
2013-05-19 06:46:48 PM

studebaker hoch: Get up under the girders!


The bridges on the turnpike are built differently. I would suggest not doing what they did.
 
2013-05-19 06:46:58 PM
farm8.staticflickr.com
 
2013-05-19 06:47:29 PM

SCUBA_Archer: Is there such thing as an F5?



Shut up Jami. This isn't your scene.

movieactors.com
 
2013-05-19 06:47:42 PM

SCUBA_Archer: Is there such thing as an F5?


Finger of god.
 
2013-05-19 06:49:23 PM

Shadow Blasko: Mock26: The safest* place during a tornado is outside, in the middle of a field.


* Definition of safest may be twisted.

You mean the *best place to be in a tornado.

/Along with a good camera, and some form of hail shield.

//Added that last part after a rather painful experience in the 90s.


GoPro should hook up with Red Bull and get some people to don helmets with video cameras and go run towards tornadoes.
 
2013-05-19 06:49:41 PM

ArcadianRefugee: Shadow Blasko: Mock26: The safest* place during a tornado is outside, in the middle of a field.


* Definition of safest may be twisted.

You mean the *best place to be in a tornado.

/Along with a good camera, and some form of hail shield.

//Added that last part after a rather painful experience in the 90s.

Only experienced my first halfway decent hail storm last year (about the size of a quarter); I'd been in pea-sized hail before).

Have yet to witness a tornado.


Ever since I got my new car I seem to attract hail like never before. If there is golf ball sized hail ANYWHERE in Ohio it will find my car.

/RX-8 has a REALLY thin skin on it, so I have lots of speed dimples in my car now.
 
2013-05-19 06:49:58 PM
The camera crew on the live feed just blew through a red light.  Do they get to do that?
 
kth
2013-05-19 06:50:38 PM

cheap_thoughts: [fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net image 850x637]

My street currently after the storm. It's.flooded and a tree is down just down the road.
[fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net image 850x637]

This is my poor kitty Hank who rode the storm outside. He's all wet :-(


I miss my brick streets. Except when it snows.

/used to live in College Hill
 
2013-05-19 06:50:40 PM

The Pope of Manwich Village: [farm8.staticflickr.com image 640x427]


That has to be a set up image... Seeing as how that is a copy of Twister laying next to it on the ground.
 
2013-05-19 06:51:02 PM

cheap_thoughts: [fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net image 850x637]

My street currently after the storm. It's.flooded and a tree is down just down the road.
[fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net image 850x637]

This is my poor kitty Hank who rode the storm outside. He's all wet :-(


Poor baby. :-(
 
2013-05-19 06:51:14 PM
Some friends from my station are storm chasing in the area right now. Here's a link to their live feed if anyone is interested.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/kfsm-dashcam 

It's a little laggy. Be safe, OKC metro
 
2013-05-19 06:51:23 PM
Why must people say "pray" in times of stress? They must know after the 3rd or 10th time that it doesn't farking work.
 
2013-05-19 06:51:28 PM
And by "bumpy", subby means "terrifying and lethally dangerous."
 
2013-05-19 06:51:35 PM

Shadow Blasko: iheartscotch: / last time this happenes the amateur weather spotters actually caused more damage then the twister

15 years ago I would have fought you over those words... Now I just nod and go back to looking at GR3


Yeah; there were in the neighborhood of 30 to 45 cars following a damned twister around last year. Actually caused 4 or 5 pretty nasty wreaks. The twister went up and over the town, not actually causing any damage in town.

/ that was the luckiest day ever; that twister was headed straight toward downtown. It would have taken half the town.
 
2013-05-19 06:51:49 PM
Dear God,

Please send that tornado a bit northeastern and hit Topeka instead.

Thank you,
AAG
 
2013-05-19 06:52:10 PM

cheap_thoughts: This is my poor kitty Hank who rode the storm outside. He's all wet :-(


Is his face going to stay all blurry, or will he get better? :)
 
2013-05-19 06:52:59 PM

SCUBA_Archer: Is there such thing as an F5?



25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-05-19 06:53:07 PM
Be safe, gentle farkers.
 
2013-05-19 06:53:09 PM
g-ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2013-05-19 06:53:46 PM

Warthog: The camera crew on the live feed just blew through a red light.  Do they get to do that?


TWC pays the tickets.

/Part of the reason that assnozzle Reed Timmer and crew lost their ride with Discovery Channel was because they filmed themselves doing REALLY stupid crap like that... One time they blew past an ambulance, in a no passing zone, with the cameras rolling. That was pretty much the beginning of the end for them. (Or so I have been told)

//Also one of the big reasons I stopped chasing.
 
2013-05-19 06:53:58 PM

Pappas: Some friends from my station are storm chasing in the area right now. Here's a link to their live feed if anyone is interested.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/kfsm-dashcam 

It's a little laggy. Be safe, OKC metro


They are in Las Vegas.

Oh wait. Never mind.  That was an ad.
 
2013-05-19 06:54:09 PM

Shadow Blasko: SCUBA_Archer: Is there such thing as an F5?


Shut up Jami. This isn't your scene.

[movieactors.com image 266x121]


Giggle : )
 
2013-05-19 06:54:25 PM
Hold on tight, ladies and gentlemen.
 
2013-05-19 06:54:47 PM
Remember Farkers,

When in danger, or in doubt,
Run in circles, scream and shout.
 
2013-05-19 06:54:51 PM
What a ride!          Just don't bump into the cow. They hurt.
 
2013-05-19 06:55:12 PM

leftyblonde: it sucked.


Hooray! You're alive! :D
 
2013-05-19 06:55:28 PM
Good luck OK and KS. Stay safe, as we down here wnet through this last week.

/North Texas
 
2013-05-19 06:55:30 PM
 
2013-05-19 06:55:34 PM

SBinRR: Pappas: Some friends from my station are storm chasing in the area right now. Here's a link to their live feed if anyone is interested.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/kfsm-dashcam 

It's a little laggy. Be safe, OKC metro

They are in Las Vegas.

Oh wait. Never mind.  That was an ad.


To be fair, stormchasing is a lot like Las Vegas to meteorologists.
 
2013-05-19 06:56:23 PM

iheartscotch: / last time this happenes the amateur weather spotters actually caused more damage then the twister


Man, it must suck when the spotters come through and then there's a twister, too. Must be a lot worse than either one alone.

/I know, still not as bad as when the grammar Nazis come through
 
2013-05-19 06:57:55 PM

bearded clamorer: The Pope of Manwich Village: The lineman for the county is going to very, very busy driving the main road searching for another overload.

[topnews.in image 404x501]

What a Wichita lineman might look like


I think he needs a small vacation.
 
2013-05-19 06:58:09 PM

cookiefleck: Any news as to any storms headed towards north central Texas? We've already had one this week and I'm afraid we'll get another


Our turn is tomorrow and Tuesday, *sigh*
 
2013-05-19 06:58:27 PM
I remember reading somewhere of a tornado going through the screen of a drive through movie that was playing Twister during the scene where they are at the drive thru movie
 
2013-05-19 06:58:51 PM

aevorea: "Let's move out to the Midwest," the boyfriend says. "Tornadoes aren't that bad," he says.

Yeah. F*ck that noise.


You've got to put it in perspective.

Tornados wipe out EVERYTHING in their path which is about 1 half mile wide and 10 miles long.
Hurricanes wipe out EVERYTHING in the state of New Jersey (or Florida or the Carolinas, etc).
Earthquakes wipe out EVERYTHING within N miles of their epicenter (and occasionally trigger tsunamis which wipe out entire COUNTRIES on the other side of the ocean).
Floods wipe out EVERYTHING that's within their floodplain which can be miles wide and hundreds or thousands of miles long.
Every once in a while, a really, really, really bad thunderstorm will roll through and knock down some power lines, and drop a branch on some people's roofs.

The midwest has it pretty good as far as "OH SHIAT weather goes"
 
2013-05-19 07:00:26 PM

jfarkinB: iheartscotch: / last time this happenes the amateur weather spotters actually caused more damage then the twister

Man, it must suck when the spotters come through and then there's a twister, too. Must be a lot worse than either one alone.

/I know, still not as bad as when the grammar Nazis come through


I know your laughing, but the SCARIEST thing I have ever EVER seen in regards to severe weather was last February/March when the tornadoes came through Kentucky, and I was less than a THREE MILES from where I was living at the time.. and I saw a news crew on the corner.. and there was Jim Cantore.

I'm not kidding either. I've seen things while storm chasing that would make any sane person crap themselves in horror, but seeing Jim Cantore in the same zip code as my mail box scared the hell out of me in a way I can not describe.

/I know this sounds like a joke, but i swear to god its true.
 
2013-05-19 07:00:55 PM
Hopefully it will kill some retarded psycho Christians and tea tards.
 
2013-05-19 07:01:53 PM

Shadow Blasko: jfarkinB: iheartscotch: / last time this happenes the amateur weather spotters actually caused more damage then the twister

Man, it must suck when the spotters come through and then there's a twister, too. Must be a lot worse than either one alone.

/I know, still not as bad as when the grammar Nazis come through

I know your laughing, but the SCARIEST thing I have ever EVER seen in regards to severe weather was last February/March when the tornadoes came through Kentucky, and I was less than a THREE MILES from where I was living at the time.. and I saw a news crew on the corner.. and there was Jim Cantore.

I'm not kidding either. I've seen things while storm chasing that would make any sane person crap themselves in horror, but seeing Jim Cantore in the same zip code as my mail box scared the hell out of me in a way I can not describe.

/I know this sounds like a joke, but i swear to god its true.


God. Auto correct/predictive text just made that post look like a 5 year old wrote it.
 
2013-05-19 07:02:11 PM
i.imgur.com

Dayum. Best wishes to all affected farkers. You guys be careful.
 
2013-05-19 07:02:15 PM
Tornadoes must be democrats cause they usually hit republican states the most
 
2013-05-19 07:02:33 PM
I've seen a few tornadoes and they are terrifying. I love Minnesota but when we get tornadoes I freak the fark out.
 
2013-05-19 07:03:40 PM
Not wanting to see anyone hurt or worse but if one drips over Norman maybe it will drop off a decent quarterback in Gaylord Stadium
 
2013-05-19 07:04:39 PM

The Pope of Manwich Village: The lineman for the county is going to very, very busy driving the main road searching for another overload.


Thank you i thought the same thing........
 
2013-05-19 07:05:55 PM
Yeek. Stay safe, people!
 
2013-05-19 07:06:06 PM

jimmyjackfunk: Not wanting to see anyone hurt or worse but if one drips over Norman maybe it will drop off a decent quarterback in Gaylord Stadium


Drops
/stupid auto correct
 
2013-05-19 07:07:48 PM
Here is the current rad...OH MAH FARKING GAWD!...ar summary.

radar.weather.gov
 
2013-05-19 07:08:39 PM
When will TWC start naming tornadoes?
 
2013-05-19 07:09:00 PM

2xhelix: Here's the live news feeds out of the Tulsa area as it starts heading in:
http://www.ktul.com/category/261938/live-video-severe-weather-covera ge
http://www.newson6.com/Global/category.asp?C=207223&BannerId=990
http://www.kjrh.com/subindex/news/news_livestream1


My vote is on channel 8, by the way.
The woman is adorable. She's still pretty new to this, so she makes cute mistakes and gets nervous sometimes.
They're understaffed over there unfortunately, they lost some of their veterans (who went to channel 6) and I think they're still trying to figure things out.
 
2013-05-19 07:09:40 PM
tracking one on the ground  http://kfor.com/on-air/live-streaming/
 
2013-05-19 07:09:46 PM
Went to Gaylesville,Ks. once.

Boy did they name that right.
 
2013-05-19 07:09:47 PM
Here Emily, let me direct you to your imminent demise!

http://kfor.com/on-air/live-streaming/

OKC Live Stream.
 
2013-05-19 07:10:01 PM
Stay the fark away from these.
i.imgur.com
/tornado magnets
 
2013-05-19 07:10:10 PM
Showing it moving across Lake Thunderbird water looks to clean to be coming out of "dirty bird"
 
2013-05-19 07:10:12 PM
4photos.net
 
2013-05-19 07:10:13 PM

mt.madman: The Pope of Manwich Village: The lineman for the county is going to very, very busy driving the main road searching for another overload.

Thank you i thought the same thing........

CRAP... now that song is stuck in my head.......
 
2013-05-19 07:10:23 PM

meyerkev: aevorea: "Let's move out to the Midwest," the boyfriend says. "Tornadoes aren't that bad," he says.

Yeah. F*ck that noise.

You've got to put it in perspective.

Tornados wipe out EVERYTHING in their path which is about 1 half mile wide and 10 miles long.
Hurricanes wipe out EVERYTHING in the state of New Jersey (or Florida or the Carolinas, etc).
Earthquakes wipe out EVERYTHING within N miles of their epicenter (and occasionally trigger tsunamis which wipe out entire COUNTRIES on the other side of the ocean).
Floods wipe out EVERYTHING that's within their floodplain which can be miles wide and hundreds or thousands of miles long.
Every once in a while, a really, really, really bad thunderstorm will roll through and knock down some power lines, and drop a branch on some people's roofs.

The midwest has it pretty good as far as "OH SHIAT weather goes"


Exactly. I live in the midwest and to be frank, tornadoes are scary but a big blizzard that knocks out power or a heat wave where people lose power is far more deadly.

Of course I refuse to live in a house without a basement. Be safe Kansas-ians and Oklahomans. Tip from my Bridgeton family who had some neighbors get their homes destroyed a few years ago: When you go downstairs, grab your purse or wallet. Because if your home is destroyed and you have no ID, no nothing, it can be difficult to prove who you are to get your insurance benefits (or even if the police want to make sure those are your house ruins you are rooting around in). Plus if you can keep important documents (or copies of them) down there anyway... (if your basement is safe from flooding) that will help too.
 
2013-05-19 07:10:35 PM

LlamaGirl: I've seen a few tornadoes and they are terrifying. I love Minnesota but when we get tornadoes I freak the fark out.


I've never actually seen one in person but I've seen what they can do up close and personal.
/I definitely respect the damage they can do.
 
2013-05-19 07:10:45 PM
Large tornado just east of Norman, OK. Live coverage with Gary England on KWTV.  England, and James Spahn are weather GODS!!!

http://www.news9.com/Global/category.asp?C=207228&BannerId=988

Getting worse by the minute in that area.
 
2013-05-19 07:11:29 PM
One question. When did Oklahoma legalize gay marriage and marijuana?
 
2013-05-19 07:11:53 PM

cheap_thoughts: [fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net image 850x637]

My street currently after the storm. It's.flooded and a tree is down just down the road.
[fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net image 850x637]

This is my poor kitty Hank who rode the storm outside. He's all wet :-(


He's wet AND blurry faced, poor thing.
 
2013-05-19 07:12:19 PM

Shadow Blasko: ASS TORNADO


Well, that stinks.
 
2013-05-19 07:12:24 PM

torquestripe: Here Emily, let me direct you to your imminent demise!

http://kfor.com/on-air/live-streaming/

OKC Live Stream.


Not Emily Sutton! !!!!!!
 
2013-05-19 07:12:28 PM
DAMN that was a nasty hook!
 
2013-05-19 07:12:36 PM
That is one hell of a hook echo.
 
2013-05-19 07:12:38 PM
Watching a tornado form while my aunt & I were driving through a thunderstorm was one of the scariest things I've experienced. Now I'm watching a live stream of tornadoes forming less than 10 miles from where said aunt currently lives.

I moved to Philadelphia a few years ago after spending most of my life in the plains. The thunderstorms here are not in even the same ballpark.
 
2013-05-19 07:13:09 PM

Matthew Keene: Large tornado just east of Norman, OK. Live coverage with Gary England on KWTV.  England, and James Spahn are weather GODS!!!

http://www.news9.com/Global/category.asp?C=207228&BannerId=988

Getting worse by the minute in that area.


I hope Emily is OK see!
 
2013-05-19 07:13:09 PM

Matthew Keene: Large tornado just east of Norman, OK. Live coverage with Gary England on KWTV.  England, and James Spahn are weather GODS!!!

http://www.news9.com/Global/category.asp?C=207228&BannerId=988

Getting worse by the minute in that area.


Best link so far.  Thanks!
 
2013-05-19 07:14:32 PM

Shadow Blasko: God. Auto correct/predictive text just made that post look like a 5 year old wrote it.


I just figured you were grammar-trolling me, and that I was asking for it.
 
2013-05-19 07:14:41 PM

torquestripe: Here Emily, let me direct you to your imminent demise!

http://kfor.com/on-air/live-streaming/

OKC Live Stream.


Oh, S**T! O.O
 
2013-05-19 07:15:15 PM
I've never seen rotation like that
 
2013-05-19 07:15:52 PM

2xhelix: Here's the live news feeds out of the Tulsa area as it starts heading in:
http://www.ktul.com/category/261938/live-video-severe-weather-covera ge
http://www.newson6.com/Global/category.asp?C=207223&BannerId=990
http://www.kjrh.com/subindex/news/news_livestream1


There's also http://chasertv.com.  Was just watching a chase crew with an awesome wall cloud right in front of them.
 
2013-05-19 07:16:03 PM
the one in OK is nasty
 
2013-05-19 07:16:20 PM

ArcadianRefugee: Shadow Blasko: Mock26: The safest* place during a tornado is outside, in the middle of a field.


* Definition of safest may be twisted.

You mean the *best place to be in a tornado.

/Along with a good camera, and some form of hail shield.

//Added that last part after a rather painful experience in the 90s.

Only experienced my first halfway decent hail storm last year (about the size of a quarter); I'd been in pea-sized hail before).

Have yet to witness a tornado.


I always thought it would be cool to see one up close. It ain't.
 
2013-05-19 07:16:25 PM
I take severe weather seriously but just to keep the mood up a bit there is this:

http://www.okstorms.com/chasing/other_weather/drinking_game.htm
 
2013-05-19 07:16:32 PM
What size hail does it take to damage a vehicle?
 
2013-05-19 07:16:38 PM
whatever she is chasing looked more like a massive wall cloud to me than a tornado, but the view was occluded... if that was ALL tornado they are chasing a monster.
 
2013-05-19 07:17:03 PM

leftyblonde: it sucked.


Where is Vortex Dweller?
 
2013-05-19 07:17:55 PM

Popcorn Johnny: What size hail does it take to damage a vehicle?


Depends on the vehicle and the wind speed adding to the speed of the hail, but I've had nickle sized hail damage my roof of my car.

/really thin skin on my car though.
 
2013-05-19 07:18:02 PM
Obviously, the solution to this is to give more tax breaks to the rich, says Gov. Brownback every day.
 
2013-05-19 07:18:19 PM
Wind map, while not showing the pretty spiral patterns you see for a hurricane, still indicating that things are pretty farked up in the central us

http://hint.fm/wind/
 
2013-05-19 07:18:39 PM
Look out P!nk!
 
2013-05-19 07:18:41 PM

Popcorn Johnny: What size hail does it take to damage a vehicle?


Pea
 
2013-05-19 07:18:55 PM

Scruffinator: Best link so far.  Thanks!


KWTV always has the best OKC coverage. And you're welcome.
 
2013-05-19 07:19:25 PM
I'm in Kansas City Kansas, nothing happening yet but it should start soon.

I only have 6 beers, luckily they are 6.5 percent alcohol, time to chug soon.

/this shiat will pre-empt the Celebrity Apprentice finale, damn't.
 
2013-05-19 07:19:35 PM

Captain Steroid: torquestripe: Here Emily, let me direct you to your imminent demise!

http://kfor.com/on-air/live-streaming/

OKC Live Stream.

Oh, S**T! O.O


So Emily has been replaced by Hank, but it sounds like Hank might not be long for this chase if it's heading directly towards him.

I like how the OKC channel 4 weatherman keeps asking "is X still with us?" The phrasing sounds like he is asking if someone has died yet.
 
2013-05-19 07:20:07 PM

Popcorn Johnny: What size hail does it take to damage a vehicle?


About ping pong ball for the hood and starting at egg size windshields.  I managed t grab a space in the drive-thru lane at a closed down bank by my place.  The hood on my last car looked like a golf ball skin from hail dents, not gonna risk that again.
 
2013-05-19 07:20:12 PM
http://www.news9.com/Global/category.asp?C=207228&BannerId=988">http: //www.news9.com/Global/category.asp?C=207228&BannerId=988
from the air OK
 
2013-05-19 07:20:48 PM
http://www.chasertv.com/

Live cams of tornado chasers
 
2013-05-19 07:21:07 PM
I would rather live in the Midwest than anywhere else. But knock on mrswood, we don't usually get that many nados in Omaha.
 
2013-05-19 07:21:23 PM

Compact Travel Size: Captain Steroid: torquestripe: Here Emily, let me direct you to your imminent demise!

http://kfor.com/on-air/live-streaming/

OKC Live Stream.

Oh, S**T! O.O

So Emily has been replaced by Hank, but it sounds like Hank might not be long for this chase if it's heading directly towards him.

I like how the OKC channel 4 weatherman keeps asking "is X still with us?" The phrasing sounds like he is asking if someone has died yet.


Then they would be "YES! Fatality! Now things are exciting! FEED MORE SACRIFICES TO THE STORM GOD!"
 
2013-05-19 07:22:12 PM

JungleBoogie: And by "bumpy", subby means "terrifying and lethally dangerous."


As opposed to "Lethally Safe?"
 
2013-05-19 07:22:14 PM

torquestripe: Here Emily, let me direct you to your imminent demise!

http://kfor.com/on-air/live-streaming/

OKC Live Stream.


Yeah that one is good.
I can't seem to find my local channel that I like. It's good for the same reason: weathermen veterans that talk a lot of science.
 
2013-05-19 07:22:22 PM

Popcorn Johnny: What size hail does it take to damage a vehicle?


I would say quarter sized but it can vary greatly even within an area the size and amount so it is hard to say if it is going to damage your car. Around here people who maybe don't have insurance but have a nice enough car drive to public garages, Home Depot (they have a huge unused roof area), even under bridges to protect their cars (which is a bad idea if there is a tornado...).

i37.photobucket.comi37.photobucket.com
That was the worst hail I ever saw (in 2006- central Missouri). That isn't my car but I also had a broken back windshield, cracked front windshield, every little emblem knocked off my car, etc.
 
2013-05-19 07:22:53 PM

Popcorn Johnny: What size hail does it take to damage a vehicle?


How many cups of sugar does it take to get to the moon?
 
2013-05-19 07:23:39 PM
God-is-a-Taco:
I can't seem to find my local channel that I like. It's good for the same reason: weathermen veterans that talk a lot of science.

Oh now I see, my local station "news on six" online just uses a OKC feed.  Odd.
Our guys are awesome, though. Travis Meyer especially.
 
2013-05-19 07:23:42 PM

Matthew Keene: Large tornado just east of Norman, OK. Live coverage with Gary England on KWTV.  England, and James Spahn are weather GODS!!!

http://www.news9.com/Global/category.asp?C=207228&BannerId=988

Getting worse by the minute in that area.


That thing is MASSIVE
 
2013-05-19 07:25:20 PM

God-is-a-Taco: God-is-a-Taco:
I can't seem to find my local channel that I like. It's good for the same reason: weathermen veterans that talk a lot of science.

Oh now I see, my local station "news on six" online just uses a OKC feed.  Odd.
Our guys are awesome, though. Travis Meyer especially.


Think that is how they all do it and when something happens up in Ttown it is just the opposite
 
2013-05-19 07:26:56 PM

mrswood: I would rather live in the Midwest than anywhere else. But knock on mrswood, we don't usually get that many nados in Omaha.


I'd rather live in the Northeast. Closest to Canada as possible.
 
2013-05-19 07:27:15 PM

tudorgurl: cookiefleck: Any news as to any storms headed towards north central Texas? We've already had one this week and I'm afraid we'll get another

Our turn is tomorrow and Tuesday, *sigh*


Our turn is just about every day. We had one about five miles away Friday night. It only took out one home with no injuries so only local news carried it. Twisters be sneaky, creeping  up on you out of the  clear blue sky.
 
2013-05-19 07:27:28 PM

Shadow Blasko: Popcorn Johnny: What size hail does it take to damage a vehicle?

Depends on the vehicle and the wind speed adding to the speed of the hail, but I've had nickle sized hail damage my roof of my car.

/really thin skin on my car though.


The biggest hail I've ever seen here was dime sized and it damaged a few cars.

That was an interesting day.  Was getting ready to leave and the owner says just bring your car inside and wait it out.  Then the power goes out.  Three hours later, I get to leave, had to go through a puddle that flowed over my car's hood to exit the parking lot.  Good times.
 
2013-05-19 07:27:41 PM
I remember we were traveling across country and stopped in Kansas for the night.  Eating dinner at a restaurant during a torrential downpour, we heard a tornado warning on the radio.  Waitress told us to pay it no mind.
A few minutes later, the wind kicked up and started going HORIZONTAL.

Got real quiet in there.
 
2013-05-19 07:28:48 PM

spidermilk: meyerkev: aevorea: "Let's move out to the Midwest," the boyfriend says. "Tornadoes aren't that bad," he says.

Yeah. F*ck that noise.

You've got to put it in perspective.

Tornados wipe out EVERYTHING in their path which is about 1 half mile wide and 10 miles long.
Hurricanes wipe out EVERYTHING in the state of New Jersey (or Florida or the Carolinas, etc).
Earthquakes wipe out EVERYTHING within N miles of their epicenter (and occasionally trigger tsunamis which wipe out entire COUNTRIES on the other side of the ocean).
Floods wipe out EVERYTHING that's within their floodplain which can be miles wide and hundreds or thousands of miles long.
Every once in a while, a really, really, really bad thunderstorm will roll through and knock down some power lines, and drop a branch on some people's roofs.

The midwest has it pretty good as far as "OH SHIAT weather goes"

Exactly. I live in the midwest and to be frank, tornadoes are scary but a big blizzard that knocks out power or a heat wave where people lose power is far more deadly.


Only because of our density.  Cram 7 million on an island a a few people will die if you have a light rain storm.

The difference is, if you are healthy and prepared, It's hard to die in a blizzard.  Don't drive.  Have food and water.  Stay warm.  Don't burn shiat inside to stay warm without proper ventilation.

But if a tornado decides to pick you up and dump your remains nd the remains of your house a half mile away, then there's nothing you can d.
 
2013-05-19 07:29:55 PM
i.imgur.com

This is that weatherwoman I was talking about earlier. I think I have a crush on her.
 
2013-05-19 07:30:14 PM

Epiphany: /this shiat will pre-empt the Celebrity Apprentice finale, damn't.


Truly an unspeakable tragedy.
 
2013-05-19 07:30:25 PM

the_rhino: Hopefully it will kill some retarded psycho Christians and tea tards.


That's terrible and not nice.
 
2013-05-19 07:31:20 PM

meyerkev: aevorea: "Let's move out to the Midwest," the boyfriend says. "Tornadoes aren't that bad," he says.

Yeah. F*ck that noise.

You've got to put it in perspective.

Tornados wipe out EVERYTHING in their path which is about 1 half mile wide and 10 miles long.
Hurricanes wipe out EVERYTHING in the state of New Jersey (or Florida or the Carolinas, etc).
Earthquakes wipe out EVERYTHING within N miles of their epicenter (and occasionally trigger tsunamis which wipe out entire COUNTRIES on the other side of the ocean).
Floods wipe out EVERYTHING that's within their floodplain which can be miles wide and hundreds or thousands of miles long.
Every once in a while, a really, really, really bad thunderstorm will roll through and knock down some power lines, and drop a branch on some people's roofs.

The midwest has it pretty good as far as "OH SHIAT weather goes"


This.  And I live in the safest part of the Midwest.  We get no tornadoes, hurricanes (the tail of Sandy whipped us with some 60mph winds), earthquakes greater than about a 3.0, it doesn't get hotter than 100 or colder than 10...  Not much rain, not much snow, not terribly much sun...
 
2013-05-19 07:31:46 PM

God-is-a-Taco: [i.imgur.com image 539x324]

This is that weatherwoman I was talking about earlier. I think I have a crush on her.


Yeah, I could see me enjoying an evening with her, me handcuffed and her booted foot on my neck.
 
2013-05-19 07:32:00 PM

God-is-a-Taco: Oh now I see, my local station "news on six" online just uses a OKC feed. Odd.


Tulsa 6 and OKC 9 are sister stations.  The big advantage is that they each have a chopper to chase with, so they pool coverage for twice the punch.  You'll notice in the chopper feeds that one has a big 6 on the side and the other has a 9.
 
2013-05-19 07:32:22 PM

mr intrepid: I remember we were traveling across country and stopped in Kansas for the night.  Eating dinner at a restaurant during a torrential downpour, we heard a tornado warning on the radio.  Waitress told us to pay it no mind.
A few minutes later, the wind kicked up and started going HORIZONTAL.

Got real quiet in there.


Oh yeah, we get Tornado watches and shiat all the time in Kansas. Even Tornado Warnings quite a bit throughout the summer. After hearing them so much you stop caring as much most of the time. Well normal, well adjusted people do. I'm all like "Beer, Basement, NOW"

I hope all the Oklahoma Farkers are ok, they look like there is a ridiculous amount of shiat there.
 
2013-05-19 07:32:46 PM
There is now a tornado warning for a storm that is headed VERY close to downtown Des Moines Iowa.
 
2013-05-19 07:32:48 PM

mr intrepid: I remember we were traveling across country and stopped in Kansas for the night.  Eating dinner at a restaurant during a torrential downpour, we heard a tornado warning on the radio.  Waitress told us to pay it no mind.
A few minutes later, the wind kicked up and started going HORIZONTAL.

Got real quiet in there.


Man, horizontal wind?! That's like rain following  down.
 
2013-05-19 07:33:05 PM

Mister Peejay: This. And I live in the safest part of the Midwest. We get no tornadoes, hurricanes (the tail of Sandy whipped us with some 60mph winds), earthquakes greater than about a 3.0, it doesn't get hotter than 100 or colder than 10... Not much rain, not much snow, not terribly much sun...


But on the other hand, it's Ohio...
 
2013-05-19 07:33:33 PM

Compact Travel Size: Watching a tornado form while my aunt & I were driving through a thunderstorm was one of the scariest things I've experienced. Now I'm watching a live stream of tornadoes forming less than 10 miles from where said aunt currently lives.

I moved to Philadelphia a few years ago after spending most of my life in the plains. The thunderstorms here are not in even the same ballpark.


I made a similar move. Been living in NEOH and SWPA the last 3 years.

I've seen maybe two things I'd call a thunderstorm, while I grew up with "so much lightning night looks like day" every two weeks July-September the first 25 years of my life.

But the snow if definitely much more plentiful. .
 
2013-05-19 07:33:39 PM

Matthew Keene: God-is-a-Taco: [i.imgur.com image 539x324]

This is that weatherwoman I was talking about earlier. I think I have a crush on her.

Yeah, I could see me enjoying an evening with her, me handcuffed and her booted foot on my neck.


The Weather Dominatrix?  I think that's only on TWC After Hours.
 
2013-05-19 07:34:30 PM
Breaking for fuel?  NOOOO!
 
2013-05-19 07:34:55 PM
Wow, huge tornado east of OKC on the weather channel now.  not sure which local station has it, I'm in Texas right now.
 
2013-05-19 07:35:10 PM

thisisyourbrainonFark: Epiphany: /this shiat will pre-empt the Celebrity Apprentice finale, damn't.

Truly an unspeakable tragedy.


Did I mention it's ALL STAR Celebrity Apprentice?

/just trying to tell some jokes, bad weather in this area of the country freaks me out
 
2013-05-19 07:35:20 PM

Current Resident: Mister Peejay: This. And I live in the safest part of the Midwest. We get no tornadoes, hurricanes (the tail of Sandy whipped us with some 60mph winds), earthquakes greater than about a 3.0, it doesn't get hotter than 100 or colder than 10... Not much rain, not much snow, not terribly much sun...

But on the other hand, it's Ohio...


I know, right?  There's literally no downsides.
 
2013-05-19 07:36:06 PM

Mister Peejay: Current Resident: Mister Peejay: This. And I live in the safest part of the Midwest. We get no tornadoes, hurricanes (the tail of Sandy whipped us with some 60mph winds), earthquakes greater than about a 3.0, it doesn't get hotter than 100 or colder than 10... Not much rain, not much snow, not terribly much sun...

But on the other hand, it's Ohio...

I know, right?  There's literally no downsides.


And here I am .. moving to Florida from Ohio this winter. LOL
 
2013-05-19 07:36:06 PM

Epiphany: mr intrepid: I remember we were traveling across country and stopped in Kansas for the night.  Eating dinner at a restaurant during a torrential downpour, we heard a tornado warning on the radio.  Waitress told us to pay it no mind.
A few minutes later, the wind kicked up and started going HORIZONTAL.

Got real quiet in there.

Oh yeah, we get Tornado watches and shiat all the time in Kansas. Even Tornado Warnings quite a bit throughout the summer. After hearing them so much you stop caring as much most of the time. Well normal, well adjusted people do. I'm all like "Beer, Basement, NOW"

I hope all the Oklahoma Farkers are ok, they look like there is a ridiculous amount of shiat there.


Exactly. I was out working in my garden a month ago and the sirens start going off. I go up on my deck to get a better look, get a snack, my purse computer, 3 cats in a carrier, my dog, and call my neighbors with 2 little kids and no basement to tell them they can come on over. I used to actually love tornado warnings when I was a kid because we'd all get flashlights and have to play games in the basement while the power was out. Our neighbor would bring his guitar and sing...
 
2013-05-19 07:36:39 PM

mrswood: the_rhino: Hopefully it will kill some retarded psycho Christians and tea tards.

That's terrible and not nice.


Hes the same jerkoff laughing about the casualty's from the tornadoes in Granbury this week. Everyone knows hes a soggy bag of dicks. Just ignore him.
 
2013-05-19 07:37:22 PM
Nice Beavertail
 
2013-05-19 07:37:26 PM
2xhelix:
Tulsa 6 and OKC 9 are sister stations.

Ah, yeah, I just learned that. It'd odd, though, if I turn to channel six it's completely different than the internet feed (which is OKC). The narrators and graphics and et cetera.
I would think people would prefer the local version if they're tuning in to it, as online we have access to any of them.
 
2013-05-19 07:37:45 PM
Storms seem to be through in my area, and I've got no power. I'm gonna call it an evening.

Stay safe, FARKers! :-)
 
2013-05-19 07:38:20 PM

Epiphany: mr intrepid: I remember we were traveling across country and stopped in Kansas for the night.  Eating dinner at a restaurant during a torrential downpour, we heard a tornado warning on the radio.  Waitress told us to pay it no mind.
A few minutes later, the wind kicked up and started going HORIZONTAL.

Got real quiet in there.

Oh yeah, we get Tornado watches and shiat all the time in Kansas. Even Tornado Warnings quite a bit throughout the summer. After hearing them so much you stop caring as much most of the time. Well normal, well adjusted people do. I'm all like "Beer, Basement, NOW"

I hope all the Oklahoma Farkers are ok, they look like there is a ridiculous amount of shiat there.


I used to get very nonchalant about tornado warnings because the issued them all of the time.  However, forecasting has greatly improved in the last 10 years and now that radar is much more precise, when they issue a tornado warning, it usually means that storm can or will produce a tornado at any minute.  I take them much more serious than I did 5-10 years ago.
 
2013-05-19 07:38:56 PM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Matthew Keene: God-is-a-Taco: [i.imgur.com image 539x324]

This is that weatherwoman I was talking about earlier. I think I have a crush on her.

Yeah, I could see me enjoying an evening with her, me handcuffed and her booted foot on my neck.

The Weather Dominatrix?  I think that's only on TWC After Hours.


Introducing Lila Feng, Cruel Weather Mistress!
farm6.static.flickr.com
/hot, continuing into the afternoon...
 
2013-05-19 07:40:43 PM
The streaming link is really interesting.  It is live but not what is on the air so you hear the reporters bsing.
 
2013-05-19 07:41:05 PM
Multiple Vortices now..  Wow thats a monster.
 
2013-05-19 07:41:39 PM
one of the guys went out and told the others his car got farked by hail
 
2013-05-19 07:41:42 PM

cookiefleck: Any news as to any storms headed towards north central Texas? We've already had one this week and I'm afraid we'll get another


Can you send the storms south to Austin? We still need about 800 feet of rain to refill the lake.
 
2013-05-19 07:41:44 PM
holy shiat that I-40 tornado is massive
 
2013-05-19 07:42:20 PM
Shawnee tornado is now a wedge!!!upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-05-19 07:43:00 PM
i-40 is gonna get farked
 
2013-05-19 07:43:07 PM

BudTheSpud: holy shiat that I-40 tornado is massive


Only good thing about is that there is a massive PRO chaser presence around that area and they will get good data on it.
 
2013-05-19 07:44:07 PM
I'm glad this Shawnee tornado is where it is now instead of 20 miles to the west.
 
2013-05-19 07:44:32 PM
About 10 years ago a girl from London spent the summer at KU doing some kind of graduate work.  All she knew about Kansas was TORNADO!!!!  So, of course, the first week here we had a tornado that knocked around a bunch of houses in southwest Lawrence.  All of locals were outside the bar looking at the funky sky and having a good ol' time.  She was hiding under a table crying.  That's what it's like when you grow up hearing tornado sirens 5-10 times each summer.
 
2013-05-19 07:44:44 PM
Oh shiat, Reed Timmer is on the phone.  He's the Jim Cantore of tornadoes, the shiat is hitting the fan.
 
2013-05-19 07:44:48 PM
Shawnee, OK is about 30k, so, a decent size town.

The news 4 stream is announcing it is heading straight towards the "Shawnee Mall", about a 1/4-1/2 mile wide.   

Hope they have a good underground basement/parking garage there.
 
2013-05-19 07:45:40 PM

Shadow Blasko: BudTheSpud: holy shiat that I-40 tornado is massive

Only good thing about is that there is a massive PRO chaser presence around that area and they will get good data on it.


Tornados love to follow the I-40. The tornado outbreak in '99 had similar pathing, along with minor ones.
I'm sure there's a few grandma-style joke chain e-mails mentioning it.
 
2013-05-19 07:45:42 PM

Fark It: Oh shiat, Reed Timmer is on the phone.  He's the Jim Cantore of tornadoes, the shiat is hitting the fan.


Jim Cantore is with Reed Timmer.  I think we're dividing by 0 here.
 
2013-05-19 07:45:46 PM
I knew malls were dangerous.
 
2013-05-19 07:46:09 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-19 07:46:29 PM
MSNBC just broke into regular programming with coverage of a tornado heading toward a mall in eastern OK. Shawnee I believe.
 
2013-05-19 07:46:39 PM
Wow heading right for Walmart and Lowes in Shawnee Mall. Thats a huge storm
 
2013-05-19 07:46:54 PM

dletter: Shawnee, OK is about 30k, so, a decent size town.

The news 4 stream is announcing it is heading straight towards the "Shawnee Mall", about a 1/4-1/2 mile wide.   

Hope they have a good underground basement/parking garage there.


If they're shopping on the Sabbath, it is God's will.
 
2013-05-19 07:47:41 PM
God really has it in for that mall.
 
2013-05-19 07:47:51 PM
Christ... this is just worst case... Well, would be worse if it was dark.
 
2013-05-19 07:48:35 PM
i.imgur.com
R.I.P Shawnee Smith
 
2013-05-19 07:48:52 PM
As a showing of solidarity I'll be F5ing this thread all evening.
 
2013-05-19 07:49:04 PM

shower_in_my_socks: MSNBC just broke into regular programming with coverage of a tornado heading toward a mall in eastern OK. Shawnee I believe.


Yep. News9.com just said there are two on the ground, one near the mall.
 
2013-05-19 07:49:06 PM
All these posts and no White Stripes?
I am disappoint.

ts1.mm.bing.net
 
kth
2013-05-19 07:49:34 PM

mr intrepid: I remember we were traveling across country and stopped in Kansas for the night.  Eating dinner at a restaurant during a torrential downpour, we heard a tornado warning on the radio.  Waitress told us to pay it no mind.
A few minutes later, the wind kicked up and started going HORIZONTAL.

Got real quiet in there.


Driving home from our honeymoon through Kansas, I looked to the south and jinxed us with the words: "if those clouds got organized, it could get interesting." They did, and it was.  It went from 103 to 67 degrees in about 12 miles.  We pulled over to wait out the rain, and abandoned ship when the wind started lifting our car and inch or two. We huddled in the ditch with the weather radio, listening to the report that the worst of the storm was 10 miles west of Solomon, KS. The only sign we could see was Solomon 10.

When it all passed, we got back in the car and drove to the nearest convenience store. They looked at us funny because we were wet, shivering and buying hot chocolate. It was 103 again.  Here it is a while later...

img.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-19 07:49:52 PM
Cantore screams at me to look at the debris, but all I see is grey.
 
2013-05-19 07:49:57 PM
The only upside is that most mall stores are going to close around 6:00 on Sunday, and those that are open are going to be emptying out around this time.  If this was Saturday at around 2:00 it would be a lot worse....
 
2013-05-19 07:50:00 PM

Shadow Blasko: Multiple Vortices now..  Wow thats a monster.


My ex is on the telly?
 
2013-05-19 07:50:06 PM
"search and rescue had to put a cow out of its misery"
 
2013-05-19 07:50:24 PM
farm9.staticflickr.com
farm6.staticflickr.com

Nope, nope nope nope.
 
2013-05-19 07:50:27 PM
Wow debris falling in Hallet from Carney, that's a good 30 miles as the crow flies.
 
2013-05-19 07:50:32 PM
As a tornado, I am getting a kick out of these responses.
 
2013-05-19 07:51:24 PM
I just want to repeat, Reed Timmer and Jim Cantore are in the same vehicle, that pretty guaranteeing violent tornadoes today.
 
2013-05-19 07:51:33 PM
A second tornado forming now in Shawnee.

/they must really love the gays there
 
2013-05-19 07:52:06 PM

Fark It: The only upside is that most mall stores are going to close around 6:00 on Sunday, and those that are open are going to be emptying out around this time.  If this was Saturday at around 2:00 it would be a lot worse....


Mayfest (Tulsa art festival thing) was also prematurely ended today due to the forecasts.
I imagine any complaints people had from it are gone by now.
 
2013-05-19 07:52:28 PM

2xhelix: North OKC and Edmond getting hit now too


startyourmorningoffrightwithmcdon..

fark You!
 
2013-05-19 07:52:44 PM
Multiple tornadoes on the ground.   FAP FAP FAP
 
2013-05-19 07:53:23 PM
Here in Earthquake country we are shaking our heads wondering why people would want to live where this happens annually
 
2013-05-19 07:54:20 PM
A SECOND TORNADO HAS HIT SHAWNEE.
 
2013-05-19 07:54:32 PM

PacificaFitz: Here in Earthquake country we are shaking our heads wondering why people would want to live where this happens annually


Coz it's cheap and pretty and the people are nice.
 
2013-05-19 07:54:49 PM
Wait, there 

Bathia_Mapes: shower_in_my_socks: MSNBC just broke into regular programming with coverage of a tornado heading toward a mall in eastern OK. Shawnee I believe.

Yep. News9.com just said there are two on the ground, one near the mall.


Crap! As someone with family NW of Shawnee, I'm not getting a kick.
 
2013-05-19 07:55:04 PM

AbbeySomeone: All these posts and no White Stripes?
I am disappoint.

[ts1.mm.bing.net image 160x124]


Check again.
 
2013-05-19 07:55:10 PM
Tornadoes r nothing. Try living in a lake effect belt. That can truly be difficult in your day to day life
 
2013-05-19 07:55:28 PM

God-is-a-Taco: Mayfest (Tulsa art festival thing) was also prematurely ended today



Premature Tornadic-Action?
 
2013-05-19 07:55:36 PM
It's Kansas, the religitards that live there should just pray the tornado away.
 
2013-05-19 07:55:36 PM
Mm, blue shirt girl(I think she's Lace?) is pretty hot.
 
2013-05-19 07:55:53 PM

Minarets: A SECOND TORNADO HAS HIT SHAWNEE.


So it's terrorists, then?
 
2013-05-19 07:55:57 PM
A SECOND TORNADO HAS HIT THE NORTH SHAWNEE
 
2013-05-19 07:56:11 PM
reports of multiple people ejected in cars off of I-40.. trauma units being called.
 
2013-05-19 07:56:33 PM

LlamaGirl: PacificaFitz: Here in Earthquake country we are shaking our heads wondering why people would want to live where this happens annually

Coz it's cheap and pretty and the people are nice.


but your entire lives get disrupted EVERY YEAR
 
2013-05-19 07:56:53 PM
I don't want to get too vulgar, but listening to The Weather Channel, I think Jim Cantore has an erection.
either that or he is broadcasting live from a massage parlor
 
2013-05-19 07:57:28 PM

PacificaFitz: but your entire lives get disrupted EVERY YEAR


The chances of being hit by a tornado are soooooooooo small that 99.9999999999999999999% of the time nothing is disrupted.
 
2013-05-19 07:57:35 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-19 07:58:13 PM
Textbook massive wall cloud. That's a beauty.
 
2013-05-19 07:58:17 PM
Is any of this shiat heading towards Kansas City? I will not be amused.
 
2013-05-19 07:58:25 PM
reports of multiple people ejected in cars off of I-40..


Great, as if there wasn't already enough talk now about driving while on your cell phone.
Now it's also dangerous to drive while driving?
 
2013-05-19 07:58:50 PM
Most malls in tornado alley have shelters.  Also, their construction is a little more substantial than your typical stick house or mobile home.  Little to no windows, steel and concrete construction.  A 30 year old Sears might be the best place to ride one of these out.
 
2013-05-19 07:58:56 PM

spidermilk: Of course I refuse to live in a house without a basement. Be safe Kansas-ians and Oklahomans.


Got a friend who lives in Norman, her and her family had just got out of the shelter in their basement.
They're still keeping their eyes open, and the cell that passed their house is heading to where they have other family living at.
/eek
 
kth
2013-05-19 07:59:18 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Is any of this shiat heading towards Kansas City? I will not be amused.


Yes, we've got a couple hours before it gets too bad.  1 hour east, we're under a watch until 1 am.
 
2013-05-19 07:59:19 PM

Epiphany: thisisyourbrainonFark: Epiphany: /this shiat will pre-empt the Celebrity Apprentice finale, damn't.

Truly an unspeakable tragedy.

Did I mention it's ALL STAR Celebrity Apprentice?

/just trying to tell some jokes, bad weather in this area of the country freaks me out


Sad thing is there was a Twitter outrage when The Bachelor got preempted for severe weather. Mostly a bunch of preppies pissed off that they were missing the season finale
 
2013-05-19 07:59:19 PM
www.cyclelicio.us
 
2013-05-19 07:59:20 PM

phrawgh: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Matthew Keene: God-is-a-Taco: [i.imgur.com image 539x324]

This is that weatherwoman I was talking about earlier. I think I have a crush on her.

Yeah, I could see me enjoying an evening with her, me handcuffed and her booted foot on my neck.

The Weather Dominatrix?  I think that's only on TWC After Hours.

Introducing Lila Feng, Cruel Weather Mistress!
[farm6.static.flickr.com image 640x480]
/hot, continuing into the afternoon...


Julie Durda is the best weather woman around.
 
2013-05-19 07:59:27 PM
 
2013-05-19 07:59:49 PM

LlamaGirl: PacificaFitz: but your entire lives get disrupted EVERY YEAR

The chances of being hit by a tornado are soooooooooo small that 99.9999999999999999999% of the time nothing is disrupted.


so you guys say the same as us regarding earthquakes, "chances are we will be fine"
 
2013-05-19 07:59:56 PM
I wonder how many fundamentalists went out into the tornado to pray it away.
 
2013-05-19 08:00:41 PM
i.chzbgr.com
 
2013-05-19 08:00:53 PM
PacificaFitz:
but your entire lives get disrupted EVERY YEAR


Because cute women discussing weather:

i.imgur.com

Not the same woman from earlier, but it is hte same channel.
 
2013-05-19 08:01:35 PM

Dinobot: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 400x177]


It's the FSM! All hail his noodly appendages!
 
2013-05-19 08:01:53 PM

PacificaFitz: so you guys say the same as us regarding earthquakes, "chances are we will be fine"


Yep!

Earthquakes scare me. Never been in one, never want to be in one.
 
2013-05-19 08:01:54 PM
shiat .. gonna have to turn off images. Too much crap in the thread.

/Also guilty.. Didn't realize this was gonna be such a massive storm. This is going to go for hours.
 
2013-05-19 08:01:57 PM
Listening to the link,  the reporters are only on the air for a little bit.  The rest is off air.  Kind of like the old satellite days where  you could still see the anchors but could hear everything going on off air.

Apparently they like to shuffle papers, cough and eat.
 
2013-05-19 08:02:04 PM

thisisyourbrainonFark: Man, horizontal wind?! That's like rain following  down.


Thanks for saving me the effort.
 
2013-05-19 08:02:08 PM
Fatalities reported at trailer park.
 
2013-05-19 08:02:20 PM
One fatality from a.... what else, a trailer park. According to news 9.
 
2013-05-19 08:02:21 PM

Matthew Keene: Minarets: A SECOND TORNADO HAS HIT SHAWNEE.

So it's terrorists, then?


HAARP! False Flag!
 
2013-05-19 08:03:38 PM
Anyone listenig to local scanners?
 
2013-05-19 08:04:32 PM
THE OFFICIAL STATE BIRD OF KANSAS

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-19 08:04:36 PM

ArgusRun: Anyone listenig to local scanners?


yep. 3 under CPR right now.

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/ctid/2190/web
 
2013-05-19 08:05:10 PM

ArgusRun: Most malls in tornado alley have shelters.  Also, their construction is a little more substantial than your typical stick house or mobile home.  Little to no windows, steel and concrete construction.  A 30 year old Sears might be the best place to ride one of these out.


would not wanna be near the tool section
 
2013-05-19 08:05:45 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Dear God,

Please send that tornado a bit northeastern and hit Topeka instead.


So... um... I have to ask: if there is a God, and if he has total control over the weather, and chooses to exercise it, and he can hear your prayers, and chooses to give you what you want ... why wouldn't you ask for no tornado?
 
2013-05-19 08:07:11 PM
I joined this event already in progress. Are we still using the original link, or are we watching something else?
 
2013-05-19 08:07:28 PM

ArgusRun: Anyone listenig to local scanners?


I am listening to this one  http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/ctid/2190/web
 
2013-05-19 08:07:57 PM

ravenlore: I joined this event already in progress. Are we still using the original link, or are we watching something else?


http://www.news9.com/Global/category.asp?C=207228&BannerId=988

Best link posted so far IMO.
 
2013-05-19 08:08:11 PM

ravenlore: I joined this event already in progress. Are we still using the original link, or are we watching something else?


This one is doing pretty well.

three on the ground at the moment..

http://www.news9.com/Global/category.asp?C=207228&BannerId=988
 
2013-05-19 08:08:12 PM

TommyymmoT: THE OFFICIAL STATE BIRD OF KANSAS

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 614x326]


i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-05-19 08:08:15 PM

ImpendingCynic: AverageAmericanGuy: Dear God,

Please send that tornado a bit northeastern and hit Topeka instead.

So... um... I have to ask: if there is a God, and if he has total control over the weather, and chooses to exercise it, and he can hear your prayers, and chooses to give you what you want ... why wouldn't you ask for no tornado?


Because Topeka needs one real bad.
 
2013-05-19 08:09:11 PM

ravenlore: I joined this event already in progress. Are we still using the original link, or are we watching something else?


This one is pretty good    http://www.news9.com/category/258217/weather-control-center#!/central /
 
2013-05-19 08:10:03 PM
Well.. He's excited!
 
2013-05-19 08:10:16 PM

Scruffinator: ravenlore: I joined this event already in progress. Are we still using the original link, or are we watching something else?

http://www.news9.com/Global/category.asp?C=207228&BannerId=988

Best link posted so far IMO.


Shadow Blasko: ravenlore: I joined this event already in progress. Are we still using the original link, or are we watching something else?

This one is doing pretty well.

three on the ground at the moment..

http://www.news9.com/Global/category.asp?C=207228&BannerId=988


Much obliged. Also saw the scanner feed. Thank you kindly.
 
2013-05-19 08:11:37 PM

Shadow Blasko: Been watching for a couple hours now... Gonna be an interesting night.

/Hopes no one gets killed, but also loving the intense weather, and sad most of it will miss where I am.

That is ONE BIG ASS TORNADO WATCH... well, a series of watches actually

[icons-sf.wunderground.com image 800x525]


COLOR CODE:
Yellow: Boring places
Red: REALLY FARKING BORING
Light Green: An interesting spot if you're into the things that are here
Dark Green: Not interesting even if you're into the things that are here
Orange: Majority of people are happy that no one else likes it here
Blue: No one knows or cares about these counties. 
Last color: Annoying douchebags that just had to be put on this map. Whine country.
 
2013-05-19 08:11:38 PM

Tsar_Bomba1: [g-ecx.images-amazon.com image 500x500]


represent! i love my shiatty city
 
2013-05-19 08:11:45 PM
This is Barn Burner this is Barn Burner! It's not hanging out!
 
2013-05-19 08:12:03 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Because Topeka needs one real bad.


June, 1966, Topeka.
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-05-19 08:12:22 PM
Prague maaay get hit.

Copter cam showing F4ish damage
 
2013-05-19 08:12:46 PM
Surprisingly, at "Old Mcdonald" state bird park there are some people trapped.
 
2013-05-19 08:13:20 PM
These meteorologists do a good job of discussing the current situation:

http://www.americanwx.com/bb/index.php/topic/40284-may-15-20-severe- we ather-obsdiscussion-part-2/page-19
 
2013-05-19 08:14:04 PM
Tornado on the ground!
Tornado on the ground!
Can't see a thing with a
Tornado on the ground!
 
2013-05-19 08:14:10 PM
RIP mobile home park.
 
2013-05-19 08:14:16 PM
http://kfor.com/on-air/live-streaming/

KFOR is possibly about to have a spotter drive through the damage path in Shawnee
 
2013-05-19 08:14:25 PM
that WAS a trailer park
 
2013-05-19 08:14:31 PM
i.imgur.com

That's right, talk science to me. Yeah, safety precautions is what I like to hear.
 
2013-05-19 08:14:45 PM
Holy crap.
 
2013-05-19 08:14:52 PM
 
2013-05-19 08:14:54 PM
Wow that mobile home park got slammed
 
kth
2013-05-19 08:14:56 PM
Uh oh. TWC just showed us.  That's not a good sign. KC area.
 
2013-05-19 08:15:14 PM

Random Name Generator: Prague maaay get hit.

Copter cam showing F4ish damage


Mobile homes, apparently, so maybe EF3.
 
2013-05-19 08:15:32 PM

jimmyjackfunk: torquestripe: Here Emily, let me direct you to your imminent demise!

http://kfor.com/on-air/live-streaming/

OKC Live Stream.

Not Emily Sutton! !!!!!!


She is my favorite OKC TV personality
 
2013-05-19 08:15:38 PM
Just have to wonder when news 9 got David Payne does Gary England have to tranquilize him to keep him in check?

/just saw pics of trailer park in Shawnee there is nothing left
 
2013-05-19 08:15:43 PM
Winona County MN is now Tor warned.

http://forecast.weather.gov/wwamap/wwatxtget.php?cwa=mpx&wwa=tornado% 2 0warning">http://forecast.weather.gov/wwamap/wwatxtget.php?cwa=mpx&ww a=tornado%2 0warning
 
2013-05-19 08:16:04 PM
rear flank draft, if y'all were curious
 
2013-05-19 08:16:06 PM
Shawnee EMS Scanner:

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/ctid/2190/web


I can type 120 words per minute, so here is a little bit of what I have been hearing...p.m. times are all Eastern.


"18 to headquarters, I'm 97 in this area, I don't see any real major damage or debris." 8:03 p.m.

"There's circulation right over the mall" 8:03 p.m.

"Reported somebody stuck in a house with no injuries 15813 Sleepy Hollow" 8:03 p.m.

12 to 7 could you head up there and assist 57   8:04 p.m.

A semi turned over by I-41 & 77 8:04 p.m.

I'm at Walker and Clearboun, several houses are here that got hit, and I've got three propane tanks that are rippling (?) whenever you can get fire out here to get to it.   8:07 p.m.

A possible heart attack 17 Airport Drive apartment 601  8:08 p.m.

I've got a call for 3 injured and 2 missing at 102 and the trailer park   8:09 p.m.

I'm on Wolverine, there's no damage here at all. 8:11 p.m.

It's still rotating but it hasn't developed much more than that 8:11 p.m.

There's no damage up north as far as I can tell except a few trees down. 8:12 p.m.

We've got a report of people trapped at Old McDonald in the trailer park there, not sure how many but they have had a hard itme coming in, they may have to come in at Bethel Road. 8:12 p.m.

Flipped truck right in the middle of the highway 8:13 p.m.

Midwest City Ambulance just advised that htey've got 3 ambulances standing by if we need them 8:14 p.m.

(8:14 p.m. trailer park identified at Indepdence Trailer Park)

The trailer park is pretty much gone. 8:15 p.m.
 
2013-05-19 08:17:49 PM
Wow that mobile home park got slammed


The Shawnee EMS and Fire Department over the scanner said "The trailer park is pretty much gone."
They sent additional units to the scene. Last update was at least two injured, three missing, and crews have to use an alternate way into the trailer park because the main driveway is totally blocked.
 
2013-05-19 08:18:32 PM
s10.postimg.org
That's bad.
 
2013-05-19 08:18:40 PM
"We pretty much got into the outer walls of the tornado, so we're heading south now."  Wow.
 
2013-05-19 08:19:15 PM

Dilvias: Fatalities reported at trailer park.


Alright who the hell is stupid enough to stay in a trailer park on a day like today...oh, right.
/Hope the causalities are low.
 
2013-05-19 08:19:57 PM
DUMBASS must have been watching RFD eat the original action area and the it reformed over his head. Dude they teach that shiat in Skywarn class. what the serious fark,
 
2013-05-19 08:20:10 PM
Semi thrown off the overpass.  Holy shiat.
 
2013-05-19 08:20:22 PM
Semi truck thrown off overpass, I-40 & 177.
 
2013-05-19 08:20:24 PM

Minarets: http://kfor.com/on-air/live-streaming/

KFOR is possibly about to have a spotter drive through the damage path in Shawnee


They do have the right vehicles for the job:

i42.tinypic.com
 
2013-05-19 08:20:27 PM
Alright, it's too windy here now. The storm isn't here yet, though.
If I don't survive, don't let my mom see the porn on my F drive.
 
2013-05-19 08:20:38 PM
Damn blew the 18 wheeler off the overpass
 
2013-05-19 08:21:14 PM

kth: Uh oh. TWC just showed us.  That's not a good sign. KC area.


fark. what did they say?
 
2013-05-19 08:21:18 PM
If people tried to hide under that overpass, others are looking for their dental records.
 
2013-05-19 08:21:20 PM
South Tulsa here, doesn't look like anything major's going to hit us.
 
2013-05-19 08:21:44 PM
My fraidy hole is ready...

/Tulsa area

..Terrible pics coming out of Shawnee, Ok. Scary! I hope people in the path are taking cover.
 
2013-05-19 08:23:44 PM

phrawgh: One question. When did Oklahoma legalize gay marriage and marijuana?


you got it backwards; Stoops and Weiss insulted Nicky Sataan.
 
2013-05-19 08:23:45 PM

Epiphany: kth: Uh oh. TWC just showed us.  That's not a good sign. KC area.

fark. what did they say?


They said "The Hopper" is now available in your area allowing you to watch movies, sports, and more from any location in your house.
 
2013-05-19 08:23:54 PM
i35.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-19 08:24:05 PM

7th Son of a 7th Son: South Tulsa here, doesn't look like anything major's going to hit us.


So far, everything is dying as it crosses the river (like always).  Tulsa may not get any rain at all.
 
kth
2013-05-19 08:24:27 PM

Epiphany: kth: Uh oh. TWC just showed us.  That's not a good sign. KC area.

fark. what did they say?


the storm that was in wichita is heading into the kc area. bowing a bit. and a big red blob sw of warrensburg (where we are).
 
2013-05-19 08:25:11 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Dilvias: Fatalities reported at trailer park.

Alright who the hell is stupid enough to stay in a trailer park on a day like today...oh, right.
/Hope the causalities are low.


To be fair back in 11 when it came through Chickasha, we got out but that 24 year old girl was trying to help her disabled mother out when theirs got pancaked. Not saying she was stupid or stubborn but her mom wasn't very mobile.
 
2013-05-19 08:25:47 PM

ArgusRun: spidermilk: meyerkev: aevorea: "Let's move out to the Midwest," the boyfriend says. "Tornadoes aren't that bad," he says.

Yeah. F*ck that noise.

You've got to put it in perspective.

Tornados wipe out EVERYTHING in their path which is about 1 half mile wide and 10 miles long.
Hurricanes wipe out EVERYTHING in the state of New Jersey (or Florida or the Carolinas, etc).
Earthquakes wipe out EVERYTHING within N miles of their epicenter (and occasionally trigger tsunamis which wipe out entire COUNTRIES on the other side of the ocean).
Floods wipe out EVERYTHING that's within their floodplain which can be miles wide and hundreds or thousands of miles long.
Every once in a while, a really, really, really bad thunderstorm will roll through and knock down some power lines, and drop a branch on some people's roofs.

The midwest has it pretty good as far as "OH SHIAT weather goes"

Exactly. I live in the midwest and to be frank, tornadoes are scary but a big blizzard that knocks out power or a heat wave where people lose power is far more deadly.

Only because of our density.  Cram 7 million on an island a a few people will die if you have a light rain storm.

The difference is, if you are healthy and prepared, It's hard to die in a blizzard.  Don't drive.  Have food and water.  Stay warm.  Don't burn shiat inside to stay warm without proper ventilation.

But if a tornado decides to pick you up and dump your remains nd the remains of your house a half mile away, then there's nothing you can d.


So much this.  I will take a blizzard over tornadoes any day of the week.  If I am walking down the street during the middle of a blizzard I still stand a damned good chance of making it home alive.  Hell, if I am walking in a blizzard chances are that I am already within walking distance of my home and barring some freak accident I will make it home alive.  If I am walking down the street in the middle of a tornado, well, chances are I am not walking down the street any more.
 
2013-05-19 08:26:18 PM

2xhelix: God-is-a-Taco: Oh now I see, my local station "news on six" online just uses a OKC feed. Odd.

Tulsa 6 and OKC 9 are sister stations.  The big advantage is that they each have a chopper to chase with, so they pool coverage for twice the punch.  You'll notice in the chopper feeds that one has a big 6 on the side and the other has a 9.


That is just because it is upside down at the time.
 
2013-05-19 08:26:55 PM
I hope those boxes are not from amazon...
 
2013-05-19 08:28:01 PM
Wow  www.fbastard.com
 
2013-05-19 08:28:12 PM
The sky to the southwest is getting dark and there's some thunder and lightning off in the distance.
 
2013-05-19 08:28:36 PM

make me some tea: Goddamn Norman, OK again. That place is like ground zero for these things.


Clearly, you have never heard of Moore, OK...

/live in S OKC
//too goddamn close to Moore
///siren serenade all afternoon, but safe. Wish Shawnee was as well :(
 
2013-05-19 08:28:49 PM

UnspokenVoice: 2xhelix: God-is-a-Taco: Oh now I see, my local station "news on six" online just uses a OKC feed. Odd.

Tulsa 6 and OKC 9 are sister stations.  The big advantage is that they each have a chopper to chase with, so they pool coverage for twice the punch.  You'll notice in the chopper feeds that one has a big 6 on the side and the other has a 9.

That is just because it is upside down at the time.


Or it's the other channel's chopper and it got a little too close
 
2013-05-19 08:30:22 PM
Another large tornado on the ground from the same system
 
2013-05-19 08:30:28 PM

ArgusRun: Most malls in tornado alley have shelters.  Also, their construction is a little more substantial than your typical stick house or mobile home.  Little to no windows, steel and concrete construction.  A 30 year old Sears might be the best place to ride one of these out.


I don't know why that was so funny, but the 30 yo sears comment lead to finding glass cleaner for my monitor.
 
2013-05-19 08:30:33 PM
Dude, can you see debris? If not...report what you SEE, not what you THINK you see.
 
2013-05-19 08:30:40 PM
 
2013-05-19 08:30:58 PM

jimmyjackfunk: tinfoil-hat maggie: Dilvias: Fatalities reported at trailer park.

Alright who the hell is stupid enough to stay in a trailer park on a day like today...oh, right.
/Hope the causalities are low.

To be fair back in 11 when it came through Chickasha, we got out but that 24 year old girl was trying to help her disabled mother out when theirs got pancaked. Not saying she was stupid or stubborn but her mom wasn't very mobile.


That is sad, and you're right there can be outlaying circumstances.
/Was really just hoping this would pass with damage but little to no injuries.
 
2013-05-19 08:31:23 PM
You havent been in a real blizzard if you can walk 5 feet in it.

 

So much this.  I will take a blizzard over tornadoes any day of the week.  If I am walking down the street during the middle of a blizzard I still stand a damned good chance of making it home alive.  Hell, if I am walking in a blizzard chances are that I am already within walking distance of my home and barring some freak accident I will make it home alive.  If I am walking down the street in the middle of a tornado, well, chances are I am not walking down the street any mo ...
 
2013-05-19 08:31:52 PM

Shadow Blasko: If people tried to hide under that overpass, others are looking for their dental records.


I've always wondered how that would work in Britain.
 
2013-05-19 08:32:00 PM
I hope and pray for all the farkers in the area. Be safe
 
2013-05-19 08:33:03 PM
I understand the human interest part of it... but why are they concentrating on the trailer park that was destroyed when there are still places that are directly under threat?
 
2013-05-19 08:33:48 PM

Shadow Blasko: I understand the human interest part of it... but why are they concentrating on the trailer park that was destroyed when there are still places that are directly under threat?


If it bleeds it leads

/sigh
 
2013-05-19 08:33:53 PM
aw christ. TWC's twiiter is reporting debarking in Shawnee.
 
2013-05-19 08:34:11 PM
Tornado took the roof off a house but left the above ground pool unscathed. Those damn things are strange
 
2013-05-19 08:34:45 PM

Shadow Blasko: I understand the human interest part of it... but why are they concentrating on the trailer park that was destroyed when there are still places that are directly under threat?


Local news are doing both.  They can't exactly get the helicopter in front of the tornado to show the places that are in danger, though, so the news copters focus on where it's gone through while the meteorologists in the studio focus on the current storms and where they're heading.
 
2013-05-19 08:35:06 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: jimmyjackfunk: tinfoil-hat maggie: Dilvias: Fatalities reported at trailer park.

Alright who the hell is stupid enough to stay in a trailer park on a day like today...oh, right.
/Hope the causalities are low.

To be fair back in 11 when it came through Chickasha, we got out but that 24 year old girl was trying to help her disabled mother out when theirs got pancaked. Not saying she was stupid or stubborn but her mom wasn't very mobile.

That is sad, and you're right there can be outlaying circumstances.
/Was really just hoping this would pass with damage but little to no injuries.


Well I have lived in Oklahoma all my life and have been in several twisters (scariest are at night) wife is from Connecticut and after 11 when the sky gets dark and she says go I am loading up the dogs cats and kids and hauling ass to a safe spot. After they are safe is when I pull out the camera looking for funnels.
 
2013-05-19 08:35:07 PM
looks like someone detonated a missile in the trailer park O_O
 
2013-05-19 08:35:30 PM
Shawnee EMS Scanner:

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/ctid/2190/web


"18 to headquarters, I'm 97 in this area, I don't see any real major damage or debris." 8:03 p.m.
"There's circulation right over the mall" 8:03 p.m.
"Reported somebody stuck in a house with no injuries 15813 Sleepy Hollow" 8:03 p.m.
12 to 7 could you head up there and assist 57   8:04 p.m.
A semi turned over by I-41 & 77 8:04 p.m.
I'm at Walker and Clearboun, several houses are here that got hit, and I've got three propane tanks that are rippling (?) whenever you can get fire out here to get to it.   8:07 p.m.
A possible heart attack 17 Airport Drive apartment 601  8:08 p.m.
I've got a call for 3 injured and 2 missing at 102 and the trailer park   8:09 p.m.
I'm on Wolverine, there's no damage here at all. 8:11 p.m.
It's still rotating but it hasn't developed much more than that 8:11 p.m.
There's no damage up north as far as I can tell except a few trees down. 8:12 p.m.
We've got a report of people trapped at Old McDonald in the trailer park there, not sure how many but they have had a hard itme coming in, they may have to come in at Bethel Road. 8:12 p.m.
Flipped truck right in the middle of the highway 8:13 p.m.
Midwest City Ambulance just advised that htey've got 3 ambulances standing by if we need them 8:14 p.m.
(8:14 p.m. trailer park identified at Indepdence Trailer Park)
The trailer park is pretty much gone. 8:15 p.m.
How many units do we have on I-40 right now?  8:17 p.m.
"If you're going that way, the roads are blocked."  8:18 p.m.
"You guys got a command post or anything set up yet?" "No we haven't found any damage in town yet, I don't know if they are going to set up a command post in the upper county yet. Depends on what they need?" 8:21 p.m.
"Do you know if any Fire units are on scene at Stillman Estates."  8:22 p.m.
"We have three engines, two ambulances, a squad in route from Midwest City" 8:25 p.m.
Old McDonald road not cleared on a search yet, going to need a lot of people, sheriff has a command post there 8:25 p.m.
18 to 12, notified west side of 77 that there are several houses that have been levelled out there. 8:27 p.m.
"It's pretty bad out here. We've got one county on scene. We're going to try to help" 8:27 p.m.
People trapped on Sleepy Hollow. 8:29 p.m.
Sleepy Hollow has people trapped in a cellar. 8:29 p.m.
We're doing a house-to-house here right now so if we can get to them we will. 8:32 p.m.
A seizure at Dana's Garden 307 South Kennedy 8:35 p.m.
 
2013-05-19 08:35:44 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-19 08:36:16 PM

Shadow Blasko: I understand the human interest part of it... but why are they concentrating on the trailer park that was destroyed when there are still places that are directly under threat?


I've been watching TWC off and on and they're mixing coverage and really if someone can see what these storms has down already they might decide to be safer whem it's a warning for them.
 
2013-05-19 08:36:19 PM

Shadow Blasko: I understand the human interest part of it... but why are they concentrating on the trailer park that was destroyed when there are still places that are directly under threat?


At least that met is trying to get the message through to Welty...but now we're back to the trailer park.

DAMMIT, go back to telling Welty to take shelter. Ten minutes is...potentially lifesaving lead time. They need to NOT SHUT UP about Welty.
 
2013-05-19 08:36:20 PM
Just said that they cleared I-40 "of all victims."
 
2013-05-19 08:36:38 PM

Shadow Blasko: I understand the human interest part of it... but why are they concentrating on the trailer park that was destroyed when there are still places that are directly under threat?


If you mean the OKC tv stations, it's moving out of their viewing area and into Tulsa's.
 
2013-05-19 08:37:13 PM

meyerkev: aevorea: "Let's move out to the Midwest," the boyfriend says. "Tornadoes aren't that bad," he says.

Yeah. F*ck that noise.

You've got to put it in perspective.

Tornados wipe out EVERYTHING in their path which is about 1 half mile wide and 10 miles long.
Hurricanes wipe out EVERYTHING in the state of New Jersey (or Florida or the Carolinas, etc).
Earthquakes wipe out EVERYTHING within N miles of their epicenter (and occasionally trigger tsunamis which wipe out entire COUNTRIES on the other side of the ocean).
Floods wipe out EVERYTHING that's within their floodplain which can be miles wide and hundreds or thousands of miles long.
Every once in a while, a really, really, really bad thunderstorm will roll through and knock down some power lines, and drop a branch on some people's roofs.

The midwest has it pretty good as far as "OH SHIAT weather goes"


Tell that to the Oklahomans who got hit by the Piedmont tornado two years ago. That farker was a mile wide and traveled 70 miles across Oklahoma.

Tell that to Joplin.

Tell it to the folks in Shawnee today. That was about a half mile to a mile wide at times and traveled over 40 miles. I watched it form and watched it travel its entire path and am currently watching the coverage of the entire swath of homes it utterly obliviated and the truck it picked up off the highway, slammed down on another highway, and the one known fatality.

So, I'm sorry; you were saying about tornadoes and how good we have it?
 
2013-05-19 08:38:05 PM
I know trailer park residents are typically of limited financial means, but getting a trailer in tornado alley should also involve getting a small underground room that folks can jump into in case of severe weather. A simple, watertight, pre-fabricated box that goes into a hole next to the trailer.
 
2013-05-19 08:40:07 PM
fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net

Better screencap from facebook
 
2013-05-19 08:40:42 PM

ravenlore: Shadow Blasko: I understand the human interest part of it... but why are they concentrating on the trailer park that was destroyed when there are still places that are directly under threat?

At least that met is trying to get the message through to Welty...but now we're back to the trailer park.

DAMMIT, go back to telling Welty to take shelter. Ten minutes is...potentially lifesaving lead time. They need to NOT SHUT UP about Welty.


THIS!
 
2013-05-19 08:40:54 PM
 
2013-05-19 08:41:01 PM

jimmyjackfunk: Well I have lived in Oklahoma all my life and have been in several twisters (scariest are at night) wife is from Connecticut and after 11 when the sky gets dark and she says go I am loading up the dogs cats and kids and hauling ass to a safe spot. After they are safe is when I pull out the camera looking for funnels.


We don't get as many as y'all but here in 'Bama we get plenty and the big outbreak in 2011, and smaller one in 2012 was enough. Oh and in 2011 we lost power about 5 pm before the storms had gotten to us. So had no radar and trying to listen to the radio to track storms is not fun.
 
2013-05-19 08:41:14 PM

LlamaGirl: PacificaFitz: so you guys say the same as us regarding earthquakes, "chances are we will be fine"

Yep!

Earthquakes scare me. Never been in one, never want to be in one.


Tornados and hurricanes are brutal but have a small degree of predictability. EQ's, not so much. i have been blessed to have been in all of these situations as well as the eruption of St. Helens in '80.
Eyeballing Mt. Rainier out my back window right now and checking seismic report.

yarly
 
2013-05-19 08:41:42 PM

ariseatex: Better screencap from facebook


Is that.. pumpkins?
 
2013-05-19 08:41:47 PM

Aigoo: So, I'm sorry; you were saying about tornadoes and how good we have it?


You are not Mississippi who gets Tornadoes AND Hurricanes or something like that.

/If you want to avoid severe weather move to Maine, lived in northern Maine for 15 years other than the occasional blizzard now big weather problems and you can prepare for for blizzards.
 
2013-05-19 08:41:52 PM

JungleBoogie: I know trailer park residents are typically of limited financial means, but getting a trailer in tornado alley should also involve getting a small underground room that folks can jump into in case of severe weather. A simple, watertight, pre-fabricated box that goes into a hole next to the trailer.


Most parks have shelter buildings on site - pretty sure it's required in most states.
 
2013-05-19 08:42:12 PM
 
2013-05-19 08:42:22 PM

Bunny Deville: ariseatex: Better screencap from facebook

Is that.. pumpkins?


Boxes.
 
2013-05-19 08:42:47 PM
For those who don't remember May 3rd 1999, it was a record breaking day for tornadoes in OK. Here's the radar of the hook echo. I hope we never have another day like that again.

www.mindspring.com
 
2013-05-19 08:42:52 PM

LlamaGirl: PacificaFitz: Here in Earthquake country we are shaking our heads wondering why people would want to live where this happens annually

Coz it's cheap and pretty and the people are nice.


And there's no farking serious earthquakes to speak of. Plus fewer douchebags.

/Apparently, Hawaii is the safest state for natural disasters. Who knew?
 
2013-05-19 08:43:00 PM

jimmyjackfunk: tinfoil-hat maggie: jimmyjackfunk: tinfoil-hat maggie: Dilvias: Fatalities reported at trailer park.

Alright who the hell is stupid enough to stay in a trailer park on a day like today...oh, right.
/Hope the causalities are low.

To be fair back in 11 when it came through Chickasha, we got out but that 24 year old girl was trying to help her disabled mother out when theirs got pancaked. Not saying she was stupid or stubborn but her mom wasn't very mobile.

That is sad, and you're right there can be outlaying circumstances.
/Was really just hoping this would pass with damage but little to no injuries.

Well I have lived in Oklahoma all my life and have been in several twisters (scariest are at night) wife is from Connecticut and after 11 when the sky gets dark and she says go I am loading up the dogs cats and kids and hauling ass to a safe spot. After they are safe is when I pull out the camera looking for funnels.


I've been here all my life.

I've never hunkered down except for the May 3,1999 tornado. I was living in Stroud and it was absolutely terrifying. I was in the bathtub with the mattress over my head. Will never forget that night.
 
2013-05-19 08:43:01 PM
Getting nasty in KC.
 
2013-05-19 08:43:14 PM

JungleBoogie: I know trailer park residents are typically of limited financial means, but getting a trailer in tornado alley should also involve getting a small underground room that folks can jump into in case of severe weather. A simple, watertight, pre-fabricated box that goes into a hole next to the trailer.


After 2011 they tried to pass a law but to many insurance company lawyers started screaming "liability" so they left it up to individual towns. Chickasha passed an ordinance that trailer parks and apartment complexes had to either install storm shelters or notify all residents and potential residents there was none. Guess which route my place took.

/$50 dollar sign lots cheaper than installing a shelter
 
2013-05-19 08:44:02 PM
A friend of my son has been sending him updates from Mustang, OK where she moved several months. She's alright, but obviously scare to death.
 
2013-05-19 08:45:06 PM

7th Son of a 7th Son: For those who don't remember May 3rd 1999, it was a record breaking day for tornadoes in OK. Here's the radar of the hook echo. I hope we never have another day like that again.

[www.mindspring.com image 511x632]


The echo over Carney earlier looked eerily similar.  A less populated area than what you show, I believe, but still frightening to see on radar.
 
2013-05-19 08:45:44 PM

JungleBoogie: I know trailer park residents are typically of limited financial means, but getting a trailer in tornado alley should also involve getting a small underground room that folks can jump into in case of severe weather. A simple, watertight, pre-fabricated box that goes into a hole next to the trailer.


Actually, the problem is more a case of people not taking warnings seriously enough to move to the (ample) shelters in the area. Tbh, in Oklahoma, we hear the sirens and check the news to see where it is first. I heard sirens three times in one hour today and not one time did I take shelter. Why? I checked the radar and had news 9 on and knew the sirens were for the north side of town, several miles away (got a great photo via text from a buddy, though--one formed directly above the apartments I used to live in). Later, heard sirens from Moore and Norman--again, a few miles away--and didn't take shelter than either because the reports indicated the storms weren't moving my direction.

Some people don't even bother to do that much--watch the reports. They don't move until they can see/hear the storms and by then, it's too late. Thing is, when you live here and see this all the time, it doesn't freak you the fark out. It's like "oh, cool... oh shiat! It's headed this way, dammit!"
 
2013-05-19 08:45:46 PM

JungleBoogie: I know trailer park residents are typically of limited financial means, but getting a trailer in tornado alley should also involve getting a small underground room that folks can jump into in case of severe weather. A simple, watertight, pre-fabricated box that goes into a hole next to the trailer.


They have those they cost around 10 grand installed, the trailer didn't cost much more than that.
 
kth
2013-05-19 08:46:39 PM
We just got 70 mph straight lines in warrensburg. Power flickers. Power lines in trees, which are now on fire.
 
2013-05-19 08:46:53 PM
This situation is making me think of the April 27th tornadoes here in Alabama.

We're all sitting around talking about how maybe a real underground shelter would be a good investment.
 
2013-05-19 08:47:46 PM

Aigoo: meyerkev: aevorea: "Let's move out to the Midwest," the boyfriend says. "Tornadoes aren't that bad," he says.

Yeah. F*ck that noise.

You've got to put it in perspective.

Tornados wipe out EVERYTHING in their path which is about 1 half mile wide and 10 miles long.
Hurricanes wipe out EVERYTHING in the state of New Jersey (or Florida or the Carolinas, etc).
Earthquakes wipe out EVERYTHING within N miles of their epicenter (and occasionally trigger tsunamis which wipe out entire COUNTRIES on the other side of the ocean).
Floods wipe out EVERYTHING that's within their floodplain which can be miles wide and hundreds or thousands of miles long.
Every once in a while, a really, really, really bad thunderstorm will roll through and knock down some power lines, and drop a branch on some people's roofs.

The midwest has it pretty good as far as "OH SHIAT weather goes"

Tell that to the Oklahomans who got hit by the Piedmont tornado two years ago. That farker was a mile wide and traveled 70 miles across Oklahoma.

Tell that to Joplin.

Tell it to the folks in Shawnee today. That was about a half mile to a mile wide at times and traveled over 40 miles. I watched it form and watched it travel its entire path and am currently watching the coverage of the entire swath of homes it utterly obliviated and the truck it picked up off the highway, slammed down on another highway, and the one known fatality.

So, I'm sorry; you were saying about tornadoes and how good we have it?


Having experienced three of those four disasters (and having spent the better of the afternoon in the basement of the Wichita Public Library), I can see his point.  All three are potentially devastating.  I would mark earthquakes as the worst simply because of their randomness and hurricanes as the least worst because you typically get a few days warning.  While tornadoes can be devastating, they can also be nothing.  Just look at this thread's headline.  "Supercell with confirmed tornado bearing down on Wichita" and yet the city reported not one injury.  You rarely hear of a "super" earthquake or hurricane that ends up leaving nobody injured.
 
2013-05-19 08:48:05 PM

SomeOkieGirl: jimmyjackfunk: tinfoil-hat maggie: jimmyjackfunk: tinfoil-hat maggie: Dilvias: Fatalities reported at trailer park.

Alright who the hell is stupid enough to stay in a trailer park on a day like today...oh, right.
/Hope the causalities are low.

To be fair back in 11 when it came through Chickasha, we got out but that 24 year old girl was trying to help her disabled mother out when theirs got pancaked. Not saying she was stupid or stubborn but her mom wasn't very mobile.

That is sad, and you're right there can be outlaying circumstances.
/Was really just hoping this would pass with damage but little to no injuries.

Well I have lived in Oklahoma all my life and have been in several twisters (scariest are at night) wife is from Connecticut and after 11 when the sky gets dark and she says go I am loading up the dogs cats and kids and hauling ass to a safe spot. After they are safe is when I pull out the camera looking for funnels.

I've been here all my life.

I've never hunkered down except for the May 3,1999 tornado. I was living in Stroud and it was absolutely terrifying. I was in the bathtub with the mattress over my head. Will never forget that night.


That one kept me up until 2-3 in the Morning in Tulsa.  That storm produced a tornado in west Tulsa and the TV station was taking cover.  Crazy day.
 
2013-05-19 08:48:22 PM

kth: We just got 70 mph straight lines in warrensburg. Power flickers. Power lines in trees, which are now on fire.


I'm assuming you're seeing this on TV & not out your window.  Unless your first reaction when watching a dangerous fire is to post about it on Fark.

/seriously, stay safe
 
2013-05-19 08:48:23 PM

Bathia_Mapes: A friend of my son has been sending him updates from Mustang, OK where she moved several months. She's alright, but obviously scare to death.


Going through days like this can be scarey. It's a nasty lottery. really.
 
2013-05-19 08:48:47 PM

rugman11: Aigoo: meyerkev: aevorea: "Let's move out to the Midwest," the boyfriend says. "Tornadoes aren't that bad," he says.

Yeah. F*ck that noise.

You've got to put it in perspective.

Tornados wipe out EVERYTHING in their path which is about 1 half mile wide and 10 miles long.
Hurricanes wipe out EVERYTHING in the state of New Jersey (or Florida or the Carolinas, etc).
Earthquakes wipe out EVERYTHING within N miles of their epicenter (and occasionally trigger tsunamis which wipe out entire COUNTRIES on the other side of the ocean).
Floods wipe out EVERYTHING that's within their floodplain which can be miles wide and hundreds or thousands of miles long.
Every once in a while, a really, really, really bad thunderstorm will roll through and knock down some power lines, and drop a branch on some people's roofs.

The midwest has it pretty good as far as "OH SHIAT weather goes"

Tell that to the Oklahomans who got hit by the Piedmont tornado two years ago. That farker was a mile wide and traveled 70 miles across Oklahoma.

Tell that to Joplin.

Tell it to the folks in Shawnee today. That was about a half mile to a mile wide at times and traveled over 40 miles. I watched it form and watched it travel its entire path and am currently watching the coverage of the entire swath of homes it utterly obliviated and the truck it picked up off the highway, slammed down on another highway, and the one known fatality.

So, I'm sorry; you were saying about tornadoes and how good we have it?

Having experienced three of those four disasters (and having spent the better of the afternoon in the basement of the Wichita Public Library), I can see his point.  All three are potentially devastating.  I would mark earthquakes as the worst simply because of their randomness and hurricanes as the least worst because you typically get a few days warning.  While tornadoes can be devastating, they can also be nothing.  Just look at this thread's headline.  "Supercell with confirmed tornado bearing down ...


Or at least it's not worth avoiding the Midwest just because of tornadoes.  Every area has its potential disaster, most of which are as bad (if not worse) than tornadoes.
 
2013-05-19 08:49:03 PM

Bunny Deville: This situation is making me think of the April 27th tornadoes here in Alabama.

We're all sitting around talking about how maybe a real underground shelter would be a good investment.


My brother lives in Cullman, there were some tense hours when we couldn't track him down.  The tornado made a turn one block before his neighborhood.
 
2013-05-19 08:49:39 PM

Bunny Deville: This situation is making me think of the April 27th tornadoes here in Alabama.

We're all sitting around talking about how maybe a real underground shelter would be a good investment.


man, i still have nightmare of that one.
/came close to being sucked into one
//f-0...but damn..
 
2013-05-19 08:50:28 PM

ontariolightning: You havent been in a real blizzard if you can walk 5 feet in it.

So much this.  I will take a blizzard over tornadoes any day of the week.  If I am walking down the street during the middle of a blizzard I still stand a damned good chance of making it home alive.  Hell, if I am walking in a blizzard chances are that I am already within walking distance of my home and barring some freak accident I will make it home alive.  If I am walking down the street in the middle of a tornado, well, chances are I am not walking down the street any mo ...


Live in Chicago.  Grew up in Buffalo.  Lived in Finland.  I know what a real blizzard is.
 
2013-05-19 08:50:31 PM

Tom_Slick: Aigoo: So, I'm sorry; you were saying about tornadoes and how good we have it?

You are not Mississippi who gets Tornadoes AND Hurricanes or something like that.

/If you want to avoid severe weather move to Maine, lived in northern Maine for 15 years other than the occasional blizzard now big weather problems and you can prepare for for blizzards.


Not complaining. I've been in every kind of natural event there is--including blizzards--except volcanic eruption (though I've lived on volcano evac routes). I'm simply pointing out that, no, the midwest doesn't have it "good" and that the loss of one's home and, especially, the loss of life is a tragedy. It doesn't matter how long the event lasts, destruction is destruction. I thought the original poster of the comment was a bit of a douche, considering the destruction of today's storms and the fact that there are entire neighborhoods destroyed and one confirmed death so far.
 
2013-05-19 08:51:22 PM
They... they dropped me on my head. I can't help it.
 
2013-05-19 08:51:41 PM
Aigoo:
So, I'm sorry; you were saying about tornadoes and how good we have it?

I'm back from windy weather (that was a weird "burst" of strong wind far away from the main storm..)

We do have it lucky. The odds of your house getting hit by a tornado of sufficient strength to harm or kill you are extremely small.
If you don't worry about getting hit by a meteorite on your drive to work, you shouldn't worry about a tornado hitting your very small location in an area the size of Tornado Alley.

Of course, we have earthquakes now because of fracking. Thanks, energy industry!
 
2013-05-19 08:51:47 PM

Bunny Deville: This situation is making me think of the April 27th tornadoes here in Alabama.

We're all sitting around talking about how maybe a real underground shelter would be a good investment.


Been wanting one myself, In Hunstville as well, I miss Dan Satterfeild. I think hes in OKC working for NWS now, he should be getting all kinds of excited.
 
kth
2013-05-19 08:51:48 PM

ariseatex: kth: We just got 70 mph straight lines in warrensburg. Power flickers. Power lines in trees, which are now on fire.

I'm assuming you're seeing this on TV & not out your window.  Unless your first reaction when watching a dangerous fire is to post about it on Fark.

/seriously, stay safe


Scanner feed. If there was a fire I would not be playing with my phone.
 
2013-05-19 08:52:04 PM

Tom_Slick: Bunny Deville: This situation is making me think of the April 27th tornadoes here in Alabama.

We're all sitting around talking about how maybe a real underground shelter would be a good investment.

My brother lives in Cullman, there were some tense hours when we couldn't track him down.  The tornado made a turn one block before his neighborhood.


Yeah, we had one right down the street from our apartment. Of course, 1% of the land in AL was affected by a tornado that day, which is rather staggering. It's only 1%, but it's 1% of a pretty big area.

/we moved to a neighborhood that hasn't had one in recorded history
 
2013-05-19 08:52:07 PM
Did ... did they just ignore a live shot of a tornado on the ground to go to a "wow look at the devastation in Carney" shot?
 
2013-05-19 08:52:38 PM

kth: We just got 70 mph straight lines in warrensburg. Power flickers. Power lines in trees, which are now on fire.


yikes be careful!
 
2013-05-19 08:52:40 PM

mr lawson: Bunny Deville: This situation is making me think of the April 27th tornadoes here in Alabama.

We're all sitting around talking about how maybe a real underground shelter would be a good investment.

man, i still have nightmare of that one.
/came close to being sucked into one
//f-0...but damn..


Yikes :/
 
2013-05-19 08:53:14 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Bunny Deville: This situation is making me think of the April 27th tornadoes here in Alabama.

We're all sitting around talking about how maybe a real underground shelter would be a good investment.

Been wanting one myself, In Hunstville as well, I miss Dan Satterfeild. I think hes in OKC working for NWS now, he should be getting all kinds of excited.


He's in Delmarva now, but he still tracks stuff here and in OKC. I miss him too.
 
2013-05-19 08:53:28 PM

rugman11: Aigoo: meyerkev: aevorea: "Let's move out to the Midwest," the boyfriend says. "Tornadoes aren't that bad," he says.

Yeah. F*ck that noise.

You've got to put it in perspective.

Tornados wipe out EVERYTHING in their path which is about 1 half mile wide and 10 miles long.
Hurricanes wipe out EVERYTHING in the state of New Jersey (or Florida or the Carolinas, etc).
Earthquakes wipe out EVERYTHING within N miles of their epicenter (and occasionally trigger tsunamis which wipe out entire COUNTRIES on the other side of the ocean).
Floods wipe out EVERYTHING that's within their floodplain which can be miles wide and hundreds or thousands of miles long.
Every once in a while, a really, really, really bad thunderstorm will roll through and knock down some power lines, and drop a branch on some people's roofs.

The midwest has it pretty good as far as "OH SHIAT weather goes"

Tell that to the Oklahomans who got hit by the Piedmont tornado two years ago. That farker was a mile wide and traveled 70 miles across Oklahoma.

Tell that to Joplin.

Tell it to the folks in Shawnee today. That was about a half mile to a mile wide at times and traveled over 40 miles. I watched it form and watched it travel its entire path and am currently watching the coverage of the entire swath of homes it utterly obliviated and the truck it picked up off the highway, slammed down on another highway, and the one known fatality.

So, I'm sorry; you were saying about tornadoes and how good we have it?

Having experienced three of those four disasters (and having spent the better of the afternoon in the basement of the Wichita Public Library), I can see his point.  All three are potentially devastating.  I would mark earthquakes as the worst simply because of their randomness and hurricanes as the least worst because you typically get a few days warning.  While tornadoes can be devastating, they can also be nothing.  Just look at this thread's headline.  "Supercell with confirmed tornado bearing down ...


True enough. And I admit, experiencing my first earthquake while driving scared the shiat out of me lol
 
2013-05-19 08:54:11 PM
Allegedly the Welty cell is weakening maybe a little?
 
2013-05-19 08:55:25 PM

Bunny Deville: tinfoil-hat maggie: Bunny Deville: This situation is making me think of the April 27th tornadoes here in Alabama.

We're all sitting around talking about how maybe a real underground shelter would be a good investment.

Been wanting one myself, In Hunstville as well, I miss Dan Satterfeild. I think hes in OKC working for NWS now, he should be getting all kinds of excited.

He's in Delmarva now, but he still tracks stuff here and in OKC. I miss him too.


Oh cool, I learned so much about storms from watching him over the years.
 
2013-05-19 08:55:28 PM

Mock26: ontariolightning: You havent been in a real blizzard if you can walk 5 feet in it.

So much this.  I will take a blizzard over tornadoes any day of the week.  If I am walking down the street during the middle of a blizzard I still stand a damned good chance of making it home alive.  Hell, if I am walking in a blizzard chances are that I am already within walking distance of my home and barring some freak accident I will make it home alive.  If I am walking down the street in the middle of a tornado, well, chances are I am not walking down the street any mo ...

Live in Chicago.  Grew up in Buffalo.  Lived in Finland.  I know what a real blizzard is.


People die in blizzards because they go outside. You could go outside to your car and get turned around and walk away from your house and freeze to death. It happens all of the time.
 
2013-05-19 08:55:34 PM

ravenlore: Allegedly the Welty cell is weakening maybe a little?


That's what it looks like right now.   Earlier the storm relative velocity was showing bright red and bright green.  Now its different shades of green, so much less circulation, but it is still there.
 
2013-05-19 08:55:40 PM

Bunny Deville: It's only 1%, but it's 1% of a pretty big area.


Per Wikipedia Alabama is 52,419 square miles, that mean 524 square miles were hit by tornadoes in some very populated areas of the state.  That is a lot.
 
2013-05-19 08:56:32 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Bunny Deville: tinfoil-hat maggie: Bunny Deville: This situation is making me think of the April 27th tornadoes here in Alabama.

We're all sitting around talking about how maybe a real underground shelter would be a good investment.

Been wanting one myself, In Hunstville as well, I miss Dan Satterfeild. I think hes in OKC working for NWS now, he should be getting all kinds of excited.

He's in Delmarva now, but he still tracks stuff here and in OKC. I miss him too.

Oh cool, I learned so much about storms from watching him over the years.


Follow him on Facebook, he posts all sorts of science leaks.

I just wish he was still on WHNT so I could hear him talk about fraidy holes and frog stranglers.
 
2013-05-19 08:57:00 PM
Getting seriously creeped out hearing "I-40" again and again, given that we live maybe half a mile north of I-40 -- fortunately for us, about 1200 miles east.

/don't know that our house-of-sticks would hold up much better than a trailer under that kind of wind
 
2013-05-19 08:57:13 PM

LlamaGirl: PacificaFitz: so you guys say the same as us regarding earthquakes, "chances are we will be fine"

Yep!

Earthquakes scare me. Never been in one, never want to be in one.


Living in San Francisco Bay area I've felt the earth move more times than I can count.  The only one of note was 89 and I was just a kid, the thing about earthquakes is the first emotion is panic/fear and then when you realize the world didn't end there's a feeling of excitement.  We build for the big one now so there isn't much fear of them.
 
2013-05-19 08:58:10 PM
"Any fatalities?"

"Confirm one. Repeat. Confirm one."

- Scanner feed.
 
2013-05-19 08:58:11 PM
Do we have another feed for where the storms are at now?
 
2013-05-19 08:58:16 PM
I know that the guy who owns the property our park is on came out to survey the damage but was more interested in the trailers he owned (we are buying not renting) and actually made the statement "there is no way a god damn tornado did all of this" of course he was from the left coast and only experienced the typical California stuff. The park manager had to get him out of harms way cause I think some folks were ready to form a lynch
mob
 
2013-05-19 08:59:34 PM

Minarets: ravenlore: Allegedly the Welty cell is weakening maybe a little?

That's what it looks like right now.   Earlier the storm relative velocity was showing bright red and bright green.  Now its different shades of green, so much less circulation, but it is still there.


Yeah, it's not so far away from the radar site to blame rangefolding...
 
2013-05-19 09:00:34 PM
Calmed down again in KC. Some light rain and occasional thunder/lightning, but the winds are back to normal.
 
2013-05-19 09:00:34 PM
Torn newspaper clipping from OKC area fell out of the sky in Jenks, OK.
 
2013-05-19 09:00:54 PM
There's debris from the OKC area landing in the Tulsa area now.  Wonder if I should go out and look for flying money?
 
2013-05-19 09:00:54 PM
Weakening a ton into Tulsa.
 
2013-05-19 09:00:55 PM
Meanwhile in San Francisco, drop-dead perfect weather for the Bay to Breakers race. I finished in 2 hours, 4 minutes. Suck it, Westboro Baptist Church.
 
2013-05-19 09:01:04 PM

Shadow Blasko: Do we have another feed for where the storms are at now?


Reposted from somebody upthread:  http://www.newson6.com/Global/category.asp?C=207219&BannerId=923">htt p://www.newson6.com/Global/category.asp?C=207219&BannerId=923
 
2013-05-19 09:01:08 PM
The Shawnee Fire, PD and EMS are having trouble getting around because of all the debris in the roadways.

One fatality confirmed in Shawnee right now.
One EMS used up so much equipment that they had to return to headquarters to restock.
 
2013-05-19 09:01:42 PM

Shadow Blasko: Do we have another feed for where the storms are at now?


http://www.newson6.com/Global/category.asp?C=207219&BannerId=923

Storms are dying off when they get to Tulsa though
 
2013-05-19 09:01:56 PM

Fiction Fan: "Any fatalities?"

"Confirm one. Repeat. Confirm one."

- Scanner feed.


From what they are showing there has to be lots. They just said multiple fatalities...

//sad
 
2013-05-19 09:03:34 PM
Ariseatex, are you seeing this huge rotation in the middle of the storm near Welty? I'm thinking either it's nothing or it's gonna be huge.
 
2013-05-19 09:04:18 PM

Minarets: Shadow Blasko: Do we have another feed for where the storms are at now?

http://www.newson6.com/Global/category.asp?C=207219&BannerId=923

Storms are dying off when they get to Tulsa though


Those are the idiots that were ignoring storms on the ground for sensational shots of the trailer park. Not happy with them at the moment.. and the storms are moving out of that area.
 
2013-05-19 09:04:25 PM
Shiat.  Looks like we are up for another round tomorrow.
 
2013-05-19 09:04:40 PM

Bunny Deville: Ariseatex, are you seeing this huge rotation in the middle of the storm near Welty? I'm thinking either it's nothing or it's gonna be huge.


That was huge, but it's weakening.  I'm not ruling out reformation, though, on that one.
 
2013-05-19 09:05:26 PM
Well, it's been an interesting day here in Okla.
 
2013-05-19 09:05:53 PM

jfarkinB: Getting seriously creeped out hearing "I-40" again and again, given that we live maybe half a mile north of I-40 -- fortunately for us, about 1200 miles east.


Don't get overconfident - that tornado could draft behind a semi, maybe use the carpool lane, and be there in no time.
 
2013-05-19 09:06:09 PM

Bunny Deville: Follow him on Facebook, he posts all sorts of science leaks.

I just wish he was still on WHNT so I could hear him talk about fraidy holes and frog stranglers.


Cool I'll have to check that out sometime.

So true : ) Also just loved when he'd get caught up in all the nuances of a storm and start playing with all the cool settings, VIL, velocities, etc, good times.
 
2013-05-19 09:06:14 PM

Minarets: Shiat.  Looks like we are up for another round tomorrow.


Any idea where?
 
2013-05-19 09:07:28 PM

ariseatex: Bunny Deville: Ariseatex, are you seeing this huge rotation in the middle of the storm near Welty? I'm thinking either it's nothing or it's gonna be huge.

That was huge, but it's weakening.  I'm not ruling out reformation, though, on that one.


I hope they're keeping their eye on it. I can just see that one spitting out a mile wide F4 or something.

Also, I do hope this crap isn't headed my way next. The other day I had to track for my dad because there was a little one headed right for his house. He saw the funnel cloud and got 2 inches of rain in 20 minutes.
 
2013-05-19 09:08:43 PM

Kevin72: Meanwhile in San Francisco, drop-dead perfect weather for the Bay to Breakers race. I finished in 2 hours, 4 minutes. Suck it, Westboro Baptist Church.


SF is well overdue for a true megaquake, though- as in 1906 scale.
Each day it doesn't have one the odds increase.

Seattle has that problem as well, although it's mostly in regards to a tsunami from an offshore one.
 
2013-05-19 09:08:52 PM

Minarets: Shiat.  Looks like we are up for another round tomorrow.


Sorry, best of luck and stay safe.
 
2013-05-19 09:11:16 PM
South Tulsa residents reporting insurance information from Shawnee falling from the sky.
 
2013-05-19 09:11:19 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Minarets: Shiat.  Looks like we are up for another round tomorrow.

Sorry, best of luck and stay safe.


May not be as bad as today.  Severe storms w/ tornado potential.

Insurance verification card from Shawnee found in Tulsa.
 
2013-05-19 09:11:23 PM
Holy shiat, loudest thunder clap I've ever heard.
 
2013-05-19 09:11:31 PM
You know that wasn't pretty...but that looked wallish to me.

UH, yep, that's a wall. NOT rotating obvs, and it looks pretty high, but...
 
2013-05-19 09:11:44 PM
Day 2 moderate for tomorrow: including Tulsa, E. OK, Springfield MO, and Joplin.
i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-19 09:12:23 PM

basemetal: Well, it's been an interesting day here in Okla.


Indeed! Happy to "see" you though. Stay safe!
 
2013-05-19 09:13:02 PM

God-is-a-Taco: Seattle has that problem as well, although it's mostly in regards to a tsunami from an offshore one.


I'd like to shake the hand of any tsunami that could make two right turns to get into Puget Sound to affect downtown Seattle.
 
2013-05-19 09:13:06 PM

ariseatex: South Tulsa residents reporting insurance information from Shawnee falling from the sky.


And sheetrock landing just a few miles west in Kelleyville.
 
2013-05-19 09:13:06 PM

Random Name Generator: Day 2 moderate for tomorrow: including Tulsa, E. OK, Springfield MO, and Joplin.


Because that's all Joplin needs right now.

TWC reporting multiple fatalities in Shawnee.
 
2013-05-19 09:15:48 PM
Now I'm going to go outside and see if I can find anything.
 
2013-05-19 09:16:57 PM

Matthew Keene: God-is-a-Taco: Seattle has that problem as well, although it's mostly in regards to a tsunami from an offshore one.

I'd like to shake the hand of any tsunami that could make two right turns to get into Puget Sound to affect downtown Seattle.


It's much easier than you think.  The underwater geography is such that it would easily channel and amplify any tsunami that did come in.

There's also concern from an earthquake causing a Whidbey Island (or a similar Sound Island) rockfall creating a massive wave in itself.

/minored in rocks for jocks at UW-Seattle
//also, I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night
///slashies come in threes
 
2013-05-19 09:17:26 PM
 
2013-05-19 09:18:01 PM

Bunny Deville: Random Name Generator: Day 2 moderate for tomorrow: including Tulsa, E. OK, Springfield MO, and Joplin.

Because that's all Joplin needs right now.

TWC reporting multiple fatalities in Shawnee.


From what I hear, it maaay be moved more southwardly, towards the Red River.
 
2013-05-19 09:21:30 PM
www.spc.noaa.gov

Current watches.  7 tornado, 1 severe t-storm.  Expriation times range from 9PM CT to 3 AM CT.
 
2013-05-19 09:22:15 PM
bloody hell. did he just say it changed direction?

making a right turn. fark.
 
2013-05-19 09:23:18 PM

Tom_Slick: Aigoo: So, I'm sorry; you were saying about tornadoes and how good we have it?

You are not Mississippi who gets Tornadoes AND Hurricanes or something like that.

/If you want to avoid severe weather move to Maine, lived in northern Maine for 15 years other than the occasional blizzard now big weather problems and you can prepare for for blizzards.


Believe it or not, that was a prime consideration for my retiring here.
 
2013-05-19 09:26:14 PM

UnspokenVoice: Tom_Slick: Aigoo: So, I'm sorry; you were saying about tornadoes and how good we have it?

You are not Mississippi who gets Tornadoes AND Hurricanes or something like that.

/If you want to avoid severe weather move to Maine, lived in northern Maine for 15 years other than the occasional blizzard now big weather problems and you can prepare for for blizzards.

Believe it or not, that was a prime consideration for my retiring here.



Driving on snow and ice half the year is a chore as is getting around in the snow
 
2013-05-19 09:27:40 PM

ariseatex: Matthew Keene: God-is-a-Taco: Seattle has that problem as well, although it's mostly in regards to a tsunami from an offshore one.

I'd like to shake the hand of any tsunami that could make two right turns to get into Puget Sound to affect downtown Seattle.

It's much easier than you think.  The underwater geography is such that it would easily channel and amplify any tsunami that did come in.

There's also concern from an earthquake causing a Whidbey Island (or a similar Sound Island) rockfall creating a massive wave in itself.

/minored in rocks for jocks at UW-Seattle
//also, I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night
///slashies come in threes


This and the fault line activity and volcanoes. Rainier is out my back window.
Path of the lahar, etc.
 
2013-05-19 09:29:45 PM

UnspokenVoice: Tom_Slick: Aigoo: So, I'm sorry; you were saying about tornadoes and how good we have it?

You are not Mississippi who gets Tornadoes AND Hurricanes or something like that.

/If you want to avoid severe weather move to Maine, lived in northern Maine for 15 years other than the occasional blizzard now big weather problems and you can prepare for for blizzards.

Believe it or not, that was a prime consideration for my retiring here.


Did you retire to Northern Massachusetts Maine or Real Maine?
 
2013-05-19 09:30:24 PM
Wife's step mom out in little axe got hit car damaged half roof gone and that area has pissy cell service
 
2013-05-19 09:30:52 PM
Currently in Indiana visiting relatives. Looks like the severe stuff wont make it this far east but we might be drivimg through some stuff on the way back down slug tomorrow. Everyone stay safe
 
2013-05-19 09:32:21 PM

God-is-a-Taco: Kevin72: Meanwhile in San Francisco, drop-dead perfect weather for the Bay to Breakers race. I finished in 2 hours, 4 minutes. Suck it, Westboro Baptist Church.

SF Los Angeles is well overdue for a true megaquake, though- as in 1906 scale.
Each day it doesn't have one the odds increase.

Seattle has that problem as well, although it's mostly in regards to a tsunami from an offshore one.


FTFY.
 
2013-05-19 09:33:46 PM

UnspokenVoice: Tom_Slick: Aigoo: So, I'm sorry; you were saying about tornadoes and how good we have it?

You are not Mississippi who gets Tornadoes AND Hurricanes or something like that.

/If you want to avoid severe weather move to Maine, lived in northern Maine for 15 years other than the occasional blizzard now big weather problems and you can prepare for for blizzards.

Believe it or not, that was a prime consideration for my retiring here.



When he got home, he asked his wife, Tabitha, "Why are we still here?" Here, as in frigid Maine.
Until then, he says, "we never really came to terms with the idea that we were rich." When they did, they headed to the west coast of Florida ("surprisingly funky," King says). At first they rented, then bought a winter home, near Sarasota.

--- Stephen King
 
2013-05-19 09:35:41 PM

Bunny Deville: Random Name Generator: Day 2 moderate for tomorrow: including Tulsa, E. OK, Springfield MO, and Joplin.

Because that's all Joplin needs right now.

TWC reporting multiple fatalities in Shawnee.


:(
Also I know where your dad lives (approximately) I watched the same storm you did. I knew it was putting down a lot of rain but not that much, dang. I do the same for my parent's.
Oh, and so far NWS doesn't think it will be that bad but it all depends on how the upper level low tracks the next 3+days.
 
2013-05-19 09:38:42 PM
Kevin72:
FTFY.

But aren't they both on the San Andreas fault? I'm no seismologist, but if one of them is at risk wouldn't both of them be?
Whoops, turned this thread offtopic, although stuff seems to be calming down for today.
 
2013-05-19 09:38:48 PM

AbbeySomeone: ariseatex: Matthew Keene: God-is-a-Taco: Seattle has that problem as well, although it's mostly in regards to a tsunami from an offshore one.

I'd like to shake the hand of any tsunami that could make two right turns to get into Puget Sound to affect downtown Seattle.

It's much easier than you think.  The underwater geography is such that it would easily channel and amplify any tsunami that did come in.

There's also concern from an earthquake causing a Whidbey Island (or a similar Sound Island) rockfall creating a massive wave in itself.

/minored in rocks for jocks at UW-Seattle
//also, I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night
///slashies come in threes

This and the fault line activity and volcanoes. Rainier is out my back window.
Path of the lahar, etc.


So were you saying earlier Rainer is getting twitchy? I sorta saw your earlier post but was watching immediate storm stuff. Or just at anytime it could?
 
2013-05-19 09:39:15 PM

jimmyjackfunk: Wife's step mom out in little axe got hit car damaged half roof gone and that area has pissy cell service


Finally got ahold of her. Damn cell service sucks out there
 
2013-05-19 09:40:05 PM
http://radar.weather.gov/ridge/Conus/uppermissvly_loop.php

So is the giant swirl towards the left an EF9? (I know they don't exist, but it looks like it). Similar to a hurricane on land.
 
2013-05-19 09:41:43 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Bunny Deville: Random Name Generator: Day 2 moderate for tomorrow: including Tulsa, E. OK, Springfield MO, and Joplin.

Because that's all Joplin needs right now.

TWC reporting multiple fatalities in Shawnee.

:(
Also I know where your dad lives (approximately) I watched the same storm you did. I knew it was putting down a lot of rain but not that much, dang. I do the same for my parent's.
Oh, and so far NWS doesn't think it will be that bad but it all depends on how the upper level low tracks the next 3+days.


He's in northern Lauderdale County. That thing was seriously headed right for him, we were both pretty freaked out. I had to track it for him because of course his satellite went out.
 
2013-05-19 09:42:17 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: AbbeySomeone: ariseatex: Matthew Keene: God-is-a-Taco: Seattle has that problem as well, although it's mostly in regards to a tsunami from an offshore one.

I'd like to shake the hand of any tsunami that could make two right turns to get into Puget Sound to affect downtown Seattle.

It's much easier than you think.  The underwater geography is such that it would easily channel and amplify any tsunami that did come in.

There's also concern from an earthquake causing a Whidbey Island (or a similar Sound Island) rockfall creating a massive wave in itself.

/minored in rocks for jocks at UW-Seattle
//also, I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night
///slashies come in threes

This and the fault line activity and volcanoes. Rainier is out my back window.
Path of the lahar, etc.

So were you saying earlier Rainer is getting twitchy? I sorta saw your earlier post but was watching immediate storm stuff. Or just at anytime it could?


An eruption would happen with a month's notice (if not longer).  All those glaciers on the mountain could "flash melt" anytime though, as a precursor to an eruption (or just because it feels like farking with everyone who moved into the lahar zone).
 
2013-05-19 09:43:05 PM
"East of Norman" according to the weatherman:

i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-19 09:43:45 PM

jimmyjackfunk: jimmyjackfunk: Wife's step mom out in little axe got hit car damaged half roof gone and that area has pissy cell service

Finally got ahold of her. Damn cell service sucks out there


Times like this cell phone get overloaded, granted it may always be bad no clue but everyone calling to make sure everyone is safe will shut down a system.
I also couldn't use the NWS Radar for the Midwest since there servers were overloaded.
 
2013-05-19 09:44:30 PM

God-is-a-Taco: "East of Norman" according to the weatherman:

[i.imgur.com image 713x396]


Holy shiatballs
 
2013-05-19 09:46:05 PM
Yikes! We just flew over those storm cells. It was bumpy but wouldn't have guessed there were tornados. Hope my next flight doesn't get caught up in this weather.
 
2013-05-19 09:46:05 PM

Tom_Slick: God-is-a-Taco: "East of Norman" according to the weatherman:

[i.imgur.com image 713x396]

Holy shiatballs


Damn that is like a cauliflower.
 
2013-05-19 09:46:40 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: AbbeySomeone: ariseatex: Matthew Keene: God-is-a-Taco: Seattle has that problem as well, although it's mostly in regards to a tsunami from an offshore one.

I'd like to shake the hand of any tsunami that could make two right turns to get into Puget Sound to affect downtown Seattle.

It's much easier than you think.  The underwater geography is such that it would easily channel and amplify any tsunami that did come in.

There's also concern from an earthquake causing a Whidbey Island (or a similar Sound Island) rockfall creating a massive wave in itself.

/minored in rocks for jocks at UW-Seattle
//also, I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night
///slashies come in threes

This and the fault line activity and volcanoes. Rainier is out my back window.
Path of the lahar, etc.

So were you saying earlier Rainer is getting twitchy? I sorta saw your earlier post but was watching immediate storm stuff. Or just at anytime it could?


Disaster pron or =current events?
I live at the base of Rainier and I follow the volcanic activity; common sense.
 
2013-05-19 09:47:19 PM

sid244: http://radar.weather.gov/ridge/Conus/uppermissvly_loop.php

So is the giant swirl towards the left an EF9? (I know they don't exist, but it looks like it). Similar to a hurricane on land.


nope..just the center of your normal low presure
 
2013-05-19 09:50:54 PM

God-is-a-Taco: "East of Norman" according to the weatherman:

[i.imgur.com image 713x396]


Great image, but I keep reading the closed captioning in Russell Crowe's "are you not entertained?" voice.
 
2013-05-19 09:51:10 PM

Bunny Deville: He's in northern Lauderdale County. That thing was seriously headed right for him, we were both pretty freaked out. I had to track it for him because of course his satellite went out.


I started watching it when it was NW of Athens, my mom called wanted to know if it was safe to get on the road from where she was to home. And yea that's a problem with satellite also my internet connection can get fritzy with storms. That was the worst thing about the April 27th tornadoes the power going out and relying solely on radio. I felt like I was a teen again.
 
2013-05-19 09:52:25 PM

God-is-a-Taco: "East of Norman" according to the weatherman:


Not saying it's fake but that almost looks like a bunch of individual hailstones stuck together
 
2013-05-19 09:53:02 PM
I am from Noble.

This is further proof God hates the buckle of the bible belt most hard.
 
2013-05-19 09:54:52 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Bunny Deville: He's in northern Lauderdale County. That thing was seriously headed right for him, we were both pretty freaked out. I had to track it for him because of course his satellite went out.

I started watching it when it was NW of Athens, my mom called wanted to know if it was safe to get on the road from where she was to home. And yea that's a problem with satellite also my internet connection can get fritzy with storms. That was the worst thing about the April 27th tornadoes the power going out and relying solely on radio. I felt like I was a teen again.


Oh, this was a different one. You're talking about the one that went up into TN. My friend posted pics of that one on Facebook when it was near Athens. I was supposed to drive up to Fayetteville that day for powerball tickets, I'm glad I didn't. Got caught on that same stretch of road two years ago in a microburst... lightning truck a power line and it fell on the car and scared the shiat out of us, then we were nearly killed by a flying rack of ferns. I kept screaming for my friend to pull the fark over and her husband kept screaming at her to drive faster. I ended up calling my husband and telling him that I was about to die and that I loved him and the kids.
 
2013-05-19 09:55:01 PM
It sounds like hail is the main concern right now.

On a brighter note, oh how I love the names of the towns here. There seems to be new ones for each storm.

i.imgur.com

Heh, Pumpkin Center. I don't think I've ever seen that one yet.
 
2013-05-19 09:55:29 PM

ModernPrimitive01: God-is-a-Taco: "East of Norman" according to the weatherman:

Not saying it's fake but that almost looks like a bunch of individual hailstones stuck together


They usually do, actually.
 
2013-05-19 09:56:09 PM

ariseatex: An eruption would happen with a month's notice (if not longer). All those glaciers on the mountain could "flash melt" anytime though, as a precursor to an eruption (or just because it feels like farking with everyone who moved into the lahar zone).


Oh I'm well aware of what a Rainer eruption would mean. If I'm not mistaken lahars kill more people than pyropastic flows do generally.
 
2013-05-19 09:56:40 PM

mr lawson: sid244: http://radar.weather.gov/ridge/Conus/uppermissvly_loop.php

So is the giant swirl towards the left an EF9? (I know they don't exist, but it looks like it). Similar to a hurricane on land.

nope..just the center of your normal low presure


Plus the Enhanced Fujita scale only goes up to 5
 
2013-05-19 09:56:46 PM
ModernPrimitive01:
Not saying it's fake but that almost looks like a bunch of individual hailstones stuck together

That's exactly how those form up in the clouds. You won't really get spherical hail at that size.
 
2013-05-19 09:59:16 PM
www.animationmagazine.net
 
2013-05-19 10:00:29 PM

AbbeySomeone: Disaster pron or =current events?
I live at the base of Rainier and I follow the volcanic activity; common sense.



Just asking if there was current activity, IIRC there was some activity on the subduction zone last year. But yea I understand why you watch it same reason I keep up with the weather west of me because that could come here.
 
2013-05-19 10:00:41 PM
From OKC, don't look  fake.:
foxnewsinsider.com
 
2013-05-19 10:02:51 PM

Bunny Deville: tinfoil-hat maggie: Bunny Deville: He's in northern Lauderdale County. That thing was seriously headed right for him, we were both pretty freaked out. I had to track it for him because of course his satellite went out.

I started watching it when it was NW of Athens, my mom called wanted to know if it was safe to get on the road from where she was to home. And yea that's a problem with satellite also my internet connection can get fritzy with storms. That was the worst thing about the April 27th tornadoes the power going out and relying solely on radio. I felt like I was a teen again.

Oh, this was a different one. You're talking about the one that went up into TN. My friend posted pics of that one on Facebook when it was near Athens. I was supposed to drive up to Fayetteville that day for powerball tickets, I'm glad I didn't. Got caught on that same stretch of road two years ago in a microburst... lightning truck a power line and it fell on the car and scared the shiat out of us, then we were nearly killed by a flying rack of ferns. I kept screaming for my friend to pull the fark over and her husband kept screaming at her to drive faster. I ended up calling my husband and telling him that I was about to die and that I loved him and the kids.


Wow y'all got lucky, crazy story sis.
 
2013-05-19 10:03:59 PM
Amazing video from Carney, OK tornado earlier. Mile wide, but luckily it missed populated areas while at it's peak.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIwunOsX4W4
 
2013-05-19 10:05:50 PM

Bunny Deville: tinfoil-hat maggie: Bunny Deville: He's in northern Lauderdale County. That thing was seriously headed right for him, we were both pretty freaked out. I had to track it for him because of course his satellite went out.

I started watching it when it was NW of Athens, my mom called wanted to know if it was safe to get on the road from where she was to home. And yea that's a problem with satellite also my internet connection can get fritzy with storms. That was the worst thing about the April 27th tornadoes the power going out and relying solely on radio. I felt like I was a teen again.

Oh, this was a different one. You're talking about the one that went up into TN. My friend posted pics of that one on Facebook when it was near Athens. I was supposed to drive up to Fayetteville that day for powerball tickets, I'm glad I didn't. Got caught on that same stretch of road two years ago in a microburst... lightning truck a power line and it fell on the car and scared the shiat out of us, then we were nearly killed by a flying rack of ferns. I kept screaming for my friend to pull the fark over and her husband kept screaming at her to drive faster. I ended up calling my husband and telling him that I was about to die and that I loved him and the kids.


So was it awkward between u and ur friends husband afterwards?
 
2013-05-19 10:06:32 PM
Oh that's obviously fake.

One of those is an orange for Krissakes!
 
2013-05-19 10:07:50 PM

ModernPrimitive01: Bunny Deville: tinfoil-hat maggie: Bunny Deville: He's in northern Lauderdale County. That thing was seriously headed right for him, we were both pretty freaked out. I had to track it for him because of course his satellite went out.

I started watching it when it was NW of Athens, my mom called wanted to know if it was safe to get on the road from where she was to home. And yea that's a problem with satellite also my internet connection can get fritzy with storms. That was the worst thing about the April 27th tornadoes the power going out and relying solely on radio. I felt like I was a teen again.

Oh, this was a different one. You're talking about the one that went up into TN. My friend posted pics of that one on Facebook when it was near Athens. I was supposed to drive up to Fayetteville that day for powerball tickets, I'm glad I didn't. Got caught on that same stretch of road two years ago in a microburst... lightning truck a power line and it fell on the car and scared the shiat out of us, then we were nearly killed by a flying rack of ferns. I kept screaming for my friend to pull the fark over and her husband kept screaming at her to drive faster. I ended up calling my husband and telling him that I was about to die and that I loved him and the kids.

So was it awkward between u and ur friends husband afterwards?


No, we all made it home and got smashed together. He bought the alcohol. And now people listen to me about the weather, mostly.
 
2013-05-19 10:08:22 PM
pbs.twimg.com

Nice (As it crossed I-40)
 
2013-05-19 10:09:04 PM

jimmyjackfunk: I know that the guy who owns the property our park is on came out to survey the damage but was more interested in the trailers he owned (we are buying not renting) and actually made the statement "there is no way a god damn tornado did all of this" of course he was from the left coast and only experienced the typical California stuff. The park manager had to get him out of harms way cause I think some folks were ready to form a lynch
mob


To be fair, I've seen some parks a tornadee could only improve
 
2013-05-19 10:09:37 PM

2xhelix: From OKC, don't look  fake.:


Why is one yellow?
 
2013-05-19 10:12:47 PM

revrendjim: 2xhelix: From OKC, don't look  fake.:

Why is one yellow?


Because it is from Florida.
 
2013-05-19 10:13:10 PM
And now, the deadly Shawnee tornado, going eastward before it hits Shawnee:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOrl4aiIyH4
 
2013-05-19 10:13:31 PM

aevorea: "Let's move out to the Midwest," the boyfriend says. "Tornadoes aren't that bad," he says.

Yeah. F*ck that noise.


I grew up in Oklahoma but now live in Los Angeles.  I much prefer tornadoes to earthquakes; at least with tornadoes, you get ample warnings to take shelter.  Can't say the same about earthquakes.
 
2013-05-19 10:13:39 PM

revrendjim: 2xhelix: From OKC, don't look  fake.:

Why is one yellow?


Someone let their dog outside to pee?
 
2013-05-19 10:13:42 PM
24.media.tumblr.com

Meanwhile in Ohio...

/Moved from Norman, OK the day after the F4 hit in 2003
 
2013-05-19 10:13:56 PM
Plus the Enhanced Fujita scale only goes up to 5

That's just what the Republican space aliens who run the government and read your mind thoughts want you to think. And so you do.
 
2013-05-19 10:14:41 PM

Random Name Generator: Amazing video from Carney, OK tornado earlier. Mile wide, but luckily it missed populated areas while at it's peak.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIwunOsX4W4


How are those idiots not dead? Those guys seem more like thrill seeking rednecks than professional storm chasers
 
2013-05-19 10:16:20 PM

the_rhino: Hopefully it will kill some retarded psycho Christians and tea tards.


The folks I know in Norman tend to be more liberal than the rest of Oklahoma, as often happens in university towns.  If anything, you want Norman to be unscathed and the rest of the state to be swept away.

\grew up in OK
 
2013-05-19 10:16:33 PM
I got to see another funnel cloud forming! Yayyy? I've had just about enough of this nonsense.
 
2013-05-19 10:18:14 PM

Shadow Blasko: [pbs.twimg.com image 600x900]

Nice (As it crossed I-40)


It's only nice because it's not going through a city at that moment. That also looks very much like the one going through Cullman Alabama's suburbs in 2011 (it was being shown live) before the power went out when one of the Nuke plants power lines got hit.
 
2013-05-19 10:20:09 PM

Random Name Generator: Amazing video from Carney, OK tornado earlier. Mile wide, but luckily it missed populated areas while at it's peak.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIwunOsX4W4


At the 4:00 mark is the pants-shiatting section of the video.
 
2013-05-19 10:20:23 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Shadow Blasko: [pbs.twimg.com image 600x900]

Nice (As it crossed I-40)

It's only nice because it's not going through a city at that moment. That also looks very much like the one going through Cullman Alabama's suburbs in 2011 (it was being shown live) before the power went out when one of the Nuke plants power lines got hit.


Yeah. The phone call I got after that happened was not fun. " So you know you guys aren't gonna have power for as long as a month."
 
2013-05-19 10:20:27 PM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: When will TWC start naming tornadoes?


All tornadoes are named Earl.
 
2013-05-19 10:20:34 PM
Why does it have to be Kansas?
I go to my weather map and realize that I have this goofy mental block
I can never remember which one is Kansas, Arkansas or Missery (even have a mental block on spelling that one, ((but I think I nail the feeling of living there)), anyway......).
I can look at map of Europe or Africa and know them all
But I can't straighten those three out
 
2013-05-19 10:21:29 PM

Random Name Generator: And now, the deadly Shawnee tornado, going eastward before it hits Shawnee:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOrl4aiIyH4


Damn that thing was a monster.
 
2013-05-19 10:21:50 PM

Elegy: http://hint.fm/wind/


That's so friggin' cool!
 
2013-05-19 10:24:05 PM

Begoggle: [24.media.tumblr.com image 400x258]

Meanwhile in Ohio...

/Moved from Norman, OK the day after the F4 hit in 2003


Totally safe here

i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-19 10:30:16 PM

SomeOkieGirl: basemetal: Well, it's been an interesting day here in Okla.

Indeed! Happy to "see" you though. Stay safe!


Hey, girl, hope you suffered no damage today.  Good to see you, stay safe for round two tomorrow.
 
2013-05-19 10:31:03 PM

ariseatex: Better screencap from facebook


This just makes me think of "he passed a sign he should've seen, a 50 dollar fine my friend."
 
2013-05-19 10:34:10 PM
2.8 magnitude earthquake NE of Shawnee, about an hour ago.
 
2013-05-19 10:35:59 PM

DubtodaIll: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: When will TWC start naming tornadoes?

All tornadoes are named Earl.


'Cept that one called Merle.
 
2013-05-19 10:36:20 PM

Krymson Tyde: I always thought it would be cool to see one up close. It ain't.


That's kind of a huge understatement. If I never see one again it will be too soon, I seem to have a knack for being within sight of the damn things. Haven't been hit directly yet, thankfully.
 
2013-05-19 10:38:05 PM

Shadow Blasko: Begoggle: [24.media.tumblr.com image 400x258]

Meanwhile in Ohio...

/Moved from Norman, OK the day after the F4 hit in 2003

Totally safe here

[i.imgur.com image 287x261]


i99.photobucket.com

Me 2 days after May 31, 1985 OH/PA outbreak.  Niles, OH.  Former skating rink

And I figured Ohioans hadn't forgotten  Xenia.yet.
 
2013-05-19 10:38:48 PM

Shadow Blasko: Begoggle: [24.media.tumblr.com image 400x258]

Meanwhile in Ohio...

/Moved from Norman, OK the day after the F4 hit in 2003

Totally safe here

[i.imgur.com image 287x261]


Unless you're in SW Ohio near Dayton or Cincinnati. Then you're screwed.

/Tornado in Xenia, OH back in the 1960's is still considered historic by meteorologists
//Although to be fair, I think the outbreak started in Indiana which does get its share of tornadoes.
///too lazy to look it up
 
2013-05-19 10:39:00 PM

Bunny Deville: tinfoil-hat maggie: Shadow Blasko: [pbs.twimg.com image 600x900]

Nice (As it crossed I-40)

It's only nice because it's not going through a city at that moment. That also looks very much like the one going through Cullman Alabama's suburbs in 2011 (it was being shown live) before the power went out when one of the Nuke plants power lines got hit.

Yeah. The phone call I got after that happened was not fun. " So you know you guys aren't gonna have power for as long as a month."


I was lucky and just decided to go to Georgia where they had power. That was a mess though. I got to see the damage in Guntersville and all along HWY 79 to Centre it was a mess hate to think what Gadsden was like that day. That was something I hope I don't see again, but probably will.
 
2013-05-19 10:40:03 PM

wxboy: 2.8 magnitude earthquake NE of Shawnee, about an hour ago.


Tornadoes? Earthquakes? You guys are farked...it's been nice knowing you!

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-05-19 10:45:59 PM

RagnarD: Me 2 days after May 31, 1985 OH/PA outbreak.


I have a vision of that Frogger arcade game hopping through the debris to safety.
 
2013-05-19 10:46:07 PM

RagnarD: Shadow Blasko: Begoggle: [24.media.tumblr.com image 400x258]

Meanwhile in Ohio...

/Moved from Norman, OK the day after the F4 hit in 2003

Totally safe here

[i.imgur.com image 287x261]

[i99.photobucket.com image 500x600]

Me 2 days after May 31, 1985 OH/PA outbreak.  Niles, OH.  Former skating rink

And I figured Ohioans hadn't forgotten  Xenia.yet.


Plug it in and get the high score
 
2013-05-19 10:46:57 PM
Stone Meadow:
Tornadoes? Earthquakes? You guys are farked...it's been nice knowing you!

Minor earthquakes aren't very rare any more. Fracking.
 
2013-05-19 10:49:09 PM

God-is-a-Taco: Stone Meadow:
Tornadoes? Earthquakes? You guys are farked...it's been nice knowing you!

Minor earthquakes aren't very rare any more. Fracking.


More sensitive recording equipment.
 
2013-05-19 10:50:05 PM

Mrtraveler01: Shadow Blasko: Begoggle: [24.media.tumblr.com image 400x258]

Meanwhile in Ohio...

/Moved from Norman, OK the day after the F4 hit in 2003

Totally safe here

[i.imgur.com image 287x261]

Unless you're in SW Ohio near Dayton or Cincinnati. Then you're screwed.

/Tornado in Xenia, OH back in the 1960's is still considered historic by meteorologists
//Although to be fair, I think the outbreak started in Indiana which does get its share of tornadoes.
///too lazy to look it up


The storm you are talking about was April 4th, 1974.

And no, we won't forget it. I can't, I have a scar on my shoulder from it, (well, the same storm line, twister #44 that day... the Xenia twister was #37 )

That outbreak started in Illinois on the 3rd, but by the end of the 4th there were tornadoes in 13 states and one Canadian province.

/The farm that my family lived on was hit hard that day, and to this day you can walk through the field and find pieces of wood and ceramic chunks of insulators from power lines.
 
2013-05-19 10:52:51 PM

Minarets: tinfoil-hat maggie: Minarets: Shiat.  Looks like we are up for another round tomorrow.

Sorry, best of luck and stay safe.

May not be as bad as today.  Severe storms w/ tornado potential.

Insurance verification card from Shawnee found in Tulsa.


50-60% chance for Central OK tomorrow according to...accuweather? NWS? Hell if I can remember. Whoever does that deal where they rate it on a 1-10 scale then tells you to multiply the 1-10 by ten. Today was a 6-7 for Central OK on that site, so keep your kit packed, your animal crates ready, your phones charged, and make sure you've got batteries for flashlights.
 
2013-05-19 10:55:22 PM

God-is-a-Taco: Stone Meadow:
Tornadoes? Earthquakes? You guys are farked...it's been nice knowing you!

Minor earthquakes aren't very rare any more. Fracking.


Well there's that but New Madrid is just farther east of there and 1-3 magnitude earthquakes are pretty common everywhere.
/Although it is interesting since there's an upper level low in the area.
 
2013-05-19 10:56:37 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: AbbeySomeone: ariseatex: Matthew Keene: God-is-a-Taco: Seattle has that problem as well, although it's mostly in regards to a tsunami from an offshore one.

I'd like to shake the hand of any tsunami that could make two right turns to get into Puget Sound to affect downtown Seattle.

It's much easier than you think.  The underwater geography is such that it would easily channel and amplify any tsunami that did come in.

There's also concern from an earthquake causing a Whidbey Island (or a similar Sound Island) rockfall creating a massive wave in itself.

/minored in rocks for jocks at UW-Seattle
//also, I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night
///slashies come in threes

This and the fault line activity and volcanoes. Rainier is out my back window.
Path of the lahar, etc.

So were you saying earlier Rainer is getting twitchy? I sorta saw your earlier post but was watching immediate storm stuff. Or just at anytime it could?


Rainier was twitchy years ago when I lived there...
 
2013-05-19 10:57:21 PM
THERE'S A SALE AT PENNY'S!
 
2013-05-19 11:00:56 PM

Thingster: God-is-a-Taco: Stone Meadow:
Tornadoes? Earthquakes? You guys are farked...it's been nice knowing you!

Minor earthquakes aren't very rare any more. Fracking.

More sensitive recording equipment.


I prefer my explanation... ;^)

BTW, can one even feel a 2.8?
 
2013-05-19 11:02:07 PM

Shadow Blasko: The farm that my family lived on was hit hard that day, and to this day you can walk through the field and find pieces of wood and ceramic chunks of insulators from power lines.


That's something I never thought about until I saw the damage at my Grandmothers house. That happened in '08 and you can walk the fields around where the house was and still find all kinds of bit's and pieces even though it's been swept for clean-up several times.
 
2013-05-19 11:04:26 PM

Stone Meadow: Thingster: God-is-a-Taco: Stone Meadow:
Tornadoes? Earthquakes? You guys are farked...it's been nice knowing you!

Minor earthquakes aren't very rare any more. Fracking.

More sensitive recording equipment.

I prefer my explanation... ;^)

BTW, can one even feel a 2.8?


Sometimes if you're close. Remember east of the Rockies the soil has a different composition and carries more vibration further.
/Hope I said that right.
 
2013-05-19 11:05:10 PM

Aigoo: tinfoil-hat maggie: AbbeySomeone: ariseatex: Matthew Keene: God-is-a-Taco: Seattle has that problem as well, although it's mostly in regards to a tsunami from an offshore one.

I'd like to shake the hand of any tsunami that could make two right turns to get into Puget Sound to affect downtown Seattle.

It's much easier than you think.  The underwater geography is such that it would easily channel and amplify any tsunami that did come in.

There's also concern from an earthquake causing a Whidbey Island (or a similar Sound Island) rockfall creating a massive wave in itself.

/minored in rocks for jocks at UW-Seattle
//also, I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night
///slashies come in threes

This and the fault line activity and volcanoes. Rainier is out my back window.
Path of the lahar, etc.

So were you saying earlier Rainer is getting twitchy? I sorta saw your earlier post but was watching immediate storm stuff. Or just at anytime it could?

Rainier was twitchy years ago when I lived there...


IIRC, Rainier is overdue for a big eruption and has been for a while.

/And when that goes off, it'll  be St. Helens except close enough to wipe out Seattle from the Lahar flow.
//They've got a big map on the floor of the Visitors Center that basically boils down to: "These people are totally screwed and everyone else is only probably screwed."
///Mountain View near the Bay Area, so when the "Big One" hits, I'm trapped deep enough inside the Valley that getting out will be impossible.
 
2013-05-19 11:09:36 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Shadow Blasko: The farm that my family lived on was hit hard that day, and to this day you can walk through the field and find pieces of wood and ceramic chunks of insulators from power lines.

That's something I never thought about until I saw the damage at my Grandmothers house. That happened in '08 and you can walk the fields around where the house was and still find all kinds of bit's and pieces even though it's been swept for clean-up several times.


There were (and are again) a set of those big transmission main towers on the farm property. 4 of them were were hit by the tornado. So, there are something like 16 sets if insulators on each side, with 8 big ceramic disks on each insulator... Every time we plowed some of them would find their way to the surface.

The field was last plowed (when my grandfather sold the farm) in 98, and his big box of "tornado stuff" was still in the tool shed.

Amazing how long hubcaps will stay in a tree if no one cares to go up there and get them.
 
2013-05-19 11:11:18 PM

Aigoo: Rainier was twitchy years ago when I lived there...


I mean I know it's an active volcano and if I lived nearby I would probably have learned a lot more vulcanology, but I mean like anything out of the norm, granted that doesn't mean anything. Just like a year or more ago there was a 5(?) magnitude on a fault near the New Madrid did that mean anything well it hasn't yet but it was different.
 
2013-05-19 11:11:36 PM

RagnarD: Shadow Blasko: Begoggle: [24.media.tumblr.com image 400x258]

Meanwhile in Ohio...

/Moved from Norman, OK the day after the F4 hit in 2003

Totally safe here

[i.imgur.com image 287x261]

[i99.photobucket.com image 500x600]

Me 2 days after May 31, 1985 OH/PA outbreak.  Niles, OH.  Former skating rink


I was there too, probably the same age.
Disaster must follow me.
 
2013-05-19 11:13:14 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Aigoo: Rainier was twitchy years ago when I lived there...

I mean I know it's an active volcano and if I lived nearby I would probably have learned a lot more vulcanology, but I mean like anything out of the norm, granted that doesn't mean anything. Just like a year or more ago there was a 5(?) magnitude on a fault near the New Madrid did that mean anything well it hasn't yet but it was different.


There is apparently a more dangerous fault line north of New Madrid that is called the Wasatch if I recall correctly.

Either way, when either one of them lets go it will be the end of Memphis and most of St Louis, and will cause massive damage as far away as Chicago and Columbus
 
2013-05-19 11:15:09 PM

God-is-a-Taco: [i.imgur.com image 539x324]

This is that weatherwoman I was talking about earlier. I think I have a crush on her.


This is Colleen Coyle from WFAA in Dallas. She could share my shelter any time.
i158.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-19 11:16:14 PM
How stupid would you have to be to turn into tornado alley?  Is it not clearly marked or something?
 
2013-05-19 11:22:58 PM

trappedspirit: How stupid would you have to be to turn into tornado alley?  Is it not clearly marked or something?


Even Mig Alley was clearly marked!

www.airforcemag.com
 
2013-05-19 11:27:15 PM

Mrtraveler01: Shadow Blasko: Begoggle: [24.media.tumblr.com image 400x258]

Meanwhile in Ohio...

/Moved from Norman, OK the day after the F4 hit in 2003

Totally safe here

[i.imgur.com image 287x261]

Unless you're in anywhere in the lower Ohio Valley including SW Ohio near Dayton or Cincinnati. Then you're screwed.

/Tornado in Xenia, OH back in the 1960's Super Outbreak of April 1974 is still considered historic by meteorologists
//Although to be fair, I think the outbreak started in Indiana which does get its share of tornadoes.
///too lazy to look it up


Minor corrections, as you were a bit lazy to look it up and, well, I live in the Ohio River Tornado Alleys and have relatives who live pretty much in that rough area of Ohio. :D

For those unaware--modern storm research acknowledges at least five major "Tornado Alleys", including not only the well-known "Traditional Tornado Alley" but smaller "tornado alleys" in Florida and North Carolina as well as (relevant to our interests re superoutbreaks) Dixie Alley (stretching across roughly the non-coastal parts of the former Confederacy) and Hoosier Alley (covering largely Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky, and the eastern half of Missouri).  Some researchers combine the Dixie and Hoosier Alleys (due to the fact there is some significant overlap in the Ohio Valley) and the Joplin, MO tornado occured in an area considered an "overlap" region between "Traditional Tornado Alley" and Hoosier Alley.

Of particular note, whilst Hoosier Alley and Dixie Alley don't have quite the yearly volume of "Traditional Tornado Alley", there is a considerably larger-than-average rate of strong-to-violent tornadoes (EF3 and above) compared to "Traditional Tornado Alley", a higher percentage of killer tornadoes (though this may be partly due to mobile homes being more common in Dixie Alley in particular), and the area does have the tendency to throw out not only superoutbreaks with both derecho-spawned and supercell-spawned tornado activity (both the original 1974 Super Outbreak and the 2011 Mega Outbreak) had their primary regions of tornadogenesis in the Hoosier Alley and Dixie Alley regions) but also tend to spawn some long-track tornadoes (the longest and most deadly tornado ever recorded in the US, the Tri-State Tornado, was a typical Hoosier Alley long-track tornado; researchers had wondered whether this was a true extra-long-track tornado (of EF5 levels of violence along most of its path) or a series of multiple touchdowns, but consensus is starting to lean back to the Tri-State Tornado just being an exceptionally bad Hoosier Alley long-tracker).

Cincy and Dayton are, much like Joplin (and much like Brandenburg and Louisville and a number of other cities in the Lower Ohio Valley) right on the overlap region between two areas of tornadogenesis (Hoosier Alley and Dixie Alley (for those who consider them two different Tornado Alleys) for a lot of areas along the Ohio River, Traditional Tornado Alley and Hoosier Alley in the case of Joplin).  It's not a huge shocker that they tend to get a lot of tornadoes and some fairly nasty ones.

As for Xenia...yes, they got hit pretty bad in 1974, and part of why it's so historic is because measurements from there (and Brandenburg, which seems to get a part of it hoovered regularly in tornadic weather--particularly nastily in Super Outbreak the First) helped establish the Fujita Scale in estimates of tornadic wind speeds based on damage (needless to say, the EF scale tweaked things considerably, as it was found that the original F scale tended to overestimate wind speeds...of course, it took VORTEX teams to actually measure the wind speed in a tornado to find this out).  It was also the Super Outbreak where the destructive potentials of microbursts and derechos were found (yes, there was a lot of non-tornadic wind damage from that storm).  Have a few relatives that lived not hugely far from Xenia (up in Urbana) and even a good ten years after the storm there were still parts of Xenia that hadn't yet been rebuilt...

And whilst we're on the subject of the Midwest supposedly being safe from natural disasters--those of us who live in the Hoosier Alley/Dixie Alley confluence get ALL the natural disasters except for volcanoes (and the only reason we don't get THOSE is that the rift valley that created the New Madrid and Wabash fault zones was a failed rift...there's still enough of a hot-spot in the crust in the Ozarks to fuel the hot springs around a certain eponymous town in Arkansas, though).  Earthquakes?  Yup, two major fault zones overdue for major quakes (New Madrid being the more famous one, Wabash being potentially just as dangerous) which are the only ones outside of Alaska to have ever caused XII damage on the Modified Mercalli Scale (basically to earthquakes what the EF scale is to tornadoes, a way to measure damage) and which created a series of lakes in Kentucky and Tennessee and Missouri from what amounted to riverine tsunamis that actually changed the course of the Mississippi and lowest Ohio Rivers...oh, and even a seven-pointer would LEVEL this part of the country between the ground being karst (and thus able to transmit quake waves easily) and earthquake-resistant building codes generally being nonexistent before about fifteen years ago (and a whole lot of stuff has NOT been retrofitted...including at least some bridges).  Hurricanes?  Yes, we actually tend to get at least one hurricane a year up the Ohio River Valley at least at Category 1 strength, sometimes Category 2 (we don't get formal hurricane warnings, of course, but we do get the winds and the rain).  Floods?  Yup.  Wildfires?  Yes, sometimes, in drought years (a bit more common in Appalachia, but not unknown to get grass fires and forest fires even close to Louisville in a bad drought year).   Fukushima-style NuclearDisasterGeddon?  Hasn't happened YET, but it's fairly safe to say that Paducah is Well and Truly Farked when New Madrid and/or Wabash blow or if a tornado hits the Wrong Damn Plant, seeing as they've got the only national plant for uranium enrichment for nuclear reactors just outside of town (yes, whilst there are no nuclear plants in KY, we enrich all the fuel for them).  Bonus: It'd also be a nasty chemical disaster, as their enrichment facilities are basically centrifuges for uranium hexaflouride, and the groundwater around the plant is ALREADY contaminated with technetium-99 to the point the Department of Energy provides drinking and washing water to houses and businesses nearby at no cost.
 
2013-05-19 11:34:17 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: God-is-a-Taco: Stone Meadow:
Tornadoes? Earthquakes? You guys are farked...it's been nice knowing you!

Minor earthquakes aren't very rare any more. Fracking.

Well there's that but New Madrid is just farther east of there and 1-3 magnitude earthquakes are pretty common everywhere.
/Although it is interesting since there's an upper level low in the area.


This WOULD be an interesting corrolation...seeing as (and this is actually fairly rarely even mentioned in reports) Louisville, KY had not only EF4 tornadoes go through on 3 April 1974 but (shortly after the tornadic storms hit) actually had a 5.0 earthquake on the Richter scale (specifically, a quake along a fault in New Albany, Indiana known to be a part of the Wabash Fault system and known for throwing a 5-pointer about every ten years or so).  Actually caused some real concern of additional damage to the Louisville water treatment plant, as its containment tanks had already suffered tornado damage (and the combo of tornado and earthquake damage actually caused a water rationing order for a few days).

Heck, I didn't know about the Louisville quake after the tornado until I found an MP3 of archived footage from WHAS-AM recorded that day (where the earthquake was specifically mentioned)...

Frankly I'm hoping it's just coincidental; I'll freely admit that my personal Disaster Nightmare Fuel would be an EF4 or EF5 tornado followed shortly after by New Madrid or the Wabash Fault system throwing a seven- or eight-pointer. :P
 
2013-05-19 11:36:16 PM

Great Porn Dragon: Mrtraveler01: Shadow Blasko: Begoggle: [24.media.tumblr.com image 400x258]

Meanwhile in Ohio...

/Moved from Norman, OK the day after the F4 hit in 2003

Totally safe here

[i.imgur.com image 287x261]

Unless you're in anywhere in the lower Ohio Valley including SW Ohio near Dayton or Cincinnati. Then you're screwed.

/Tornado in Xenia, OH back in the 1960's Super Outbreak of April 1974 is still considered historic by meteorologists
//Although to be fair, I think the outbreak started in Indiana which does get its share of tornadoes.
///too lazy to look it up

Minor corrections, as you were a bit lazy to look it up and, well, I live in the Ohio River Tornado Alleys and have relatives who live pretty much in that rough area of Ohio. :D

For those unaware--modern storm research acknowledges at least five major "Tornado Alleys", including not only the well-known "Traditional Tornado Alley" but smaller "tornado alleys" in Florida and North Carolina as well as (relevant to our interests re superoutbreaks) Dixie Alley (stretching across roughly the non-coastal parts of the former Confederacy) and Hoosier Alley (covering largely Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky, and the eastern half of Missouri).  Some researchers combine the Dixie and Hoosier Alleys (due to the fact there is some significant overlap in the Ohio Valley) and the Joplin, MO tornado occured in an area considered an "overlap" region between "Traditional Tornado Alley" and Hoosier Alley.

Of particular note, whilst Hoosier Alley and Dixie Alley don't have quite the yearly volume of "Traditional Tornado Alley", there is a considerably larger-than-average rate of strong-to-violent tornadoes (EF3 and above) compared to "Traditional Tornado Alley", a higher percentage of killer tornadoes (though this may be partly due to mobile homes being more common in Dixie Alley in particular), and the area does have the tendency to throw out not only superoutbreaks with both derecho-spawned and supercell-spawned tornado activity (both the original 1974 Super Outbreak and the 2011 Mega Outbreak) had their primary regions of tornadogenesis in the Hoosier Alley and Dixie Alley regions) but also tend to spawn some long-track tornadoes (the longest and most deadly tornado ever recorded in the US, the Tri-State Tornado, was a typical Hoosier Alley long-track tornado; researchers had wondered whether this was a true extra-long-track tornado (of EF5 levels of violence along most of its path) or a series of multiple touchdowns, but consensus is starting to lean back to the Tri-State Tornado just being an exceptionally bad Hoosier Alley long-tracker).

Cincy and Dayton are, much like Joplin (and much like Brandenburg and Louisville and a number of other cities in the Lower Ohio Valley) right on the overlap region between two areas of tornadogenesis (Hoosier Alley and Dixie Alley (for those who consider them two different Tornado Alleys) for a lot of areas along the Ohio River, Traditional Tornado Alley and Hoosier Alley in the case of Joplin).  It's not a huge shocker that they tend to get a lot of tornadoes and some fairly nasty ones.

As for Xenia...yes, they got hit pretty bad in 1974, and part of why it's so historic is because measurements from there (and Brandenburg, which seems to get a part of it hoovered regularly in tornadic weather--particularly nastily in Super Outbreak the First) helped establish the Fujita Scale in estimates of tornadic wind speeds based on damage (needless to say, the EF scale tweaked things considerably, as it was found that the original F scale tended to overestimate wind speeds...of course, it took VORTEX teams to actually measure the wind speed in a tornado to find this out).  It was also the Super Outbreak where the destructive potentials of microbursts and derechos were found (yes, there was a lot of non-tornadic wind damage from that storm).  Have a few relatives that lived not hugely far from Xenia (up in Urbana) and even a good ten years after the storm there were still parts of Xenia that hadn't yet been rebuilt...

And whilst we're on the subject of the Midwest supposedly being safe from natural disasters--those of us who live in the Hoosier Alley/Dixie Alley confluence get ALL the natural disasters except for volcanoes (and the only reason we don't get THOSE is that the rift valley that created the New Madrid and Wabash fault zones was a failed rift...there's still enough of a hot-spot in the crust in the Ozarks to fuel the hot springs around a certain eponymous town in Arkansas, though).  Earthquakes?  Yup, two major fault zones overdue for major quakes (New Madrid being the more famous one, Wabash being potentially just as dangerous) which are the only ones outside of Alaska to have ever caused XII damage on the Modified Mercalli Scale (basically to earthquakes what the EF scale is to tornadoes, a way to measure damage) and which created a series of lakes in Kentucky and Tennessee and Missouri from what amounted to riverine tsunamis that actually changed the course of the Mississippi and lowest Ohio Rivers...oh, and even a seven-pointer would LEVEL this part of the country between the ground being karst (and thus able to transmit quake waves easily) and earthquake-resistant building codes generally being nonexistent before about fifteen years ago (and a whole lot of stuff has NOT been retrofitted...including at least some bridges).  Hurricanes?  Yes, we actually tend to get at least one hurricane a year up the Ohio River Valley at least at Category 1 strength, sometimes Category 2 (we don't get formal hurricane warnings, of course, but we do get the winds and the rain).  Floods?  Yup.  Wildfires?  Yes, sometimes, in drought years (a bit more common in Appalachia, but not unknown to get grass fires and forest fires even close to Louisville in a bad drought year).   Fukushima-style NuclearDisasterGeddon?  Hasn't happened YET, but it's fairly safe to say that Paducah is Well and Truly Farked when New Madrid and/or Wabash blow or if a tornado hits the Wrong Damn Plant, seeing as they've got the only national plant for uranium enrichment for nuclear reactors just outside of town (yes, whilst there are no nuclear plants in KY, we enrich all the fuel for them).  Bonus: It'd also be a nasty chemical disaster, as their enrichment facilities are basically centrifuges for uranium hexaflouride, and the groundwater around the plant is ALREADY contaminated with technetium-99 to the point the Department of Energy provides drinking and washing water to houses and businesses nearby at no cost.


You forgot the VX nerve gas storage and destruction facilty in Richmond KY.
 
2013-05-19 11:37:33 PM

Shadow Blasko: tinfoil-hat maggie: Aigoo: Rainier was twitchy years ago when I lived there...

I mean I know it's an active volcano and if I lived nearby I would probably have learned a lot more vulcanology, but I mean like anything out of the norm, granted that doesn't mean anything. Just like a year or more ago there was a 5(?) magnitude on a fault near the New Madrid did that mean anything well it hasn't yet but it was different.

There is apparently a more dangerous fault line north of New Madrid that is called the Wasatch if I recall correctly.

Either way, when either one of them lets go it will be the end of Memphis and most of St Louis, and will cause massive damage as far away as Chicago and Columbus


Most of the towns and cities of the Mississippi River Valley will fair poorly due to the old brick construction, at least from what I hear some bridges and things are being retrofitted. If there's a big one along any of the old fault lines, and I'm guessing there are still some undiscovered ones.

Also to the California earthquake savey farkers do y'all have sand geysers during your earthquakes? Those were reported during the 1800's quakes.

Oh and Shadow Blasko my grandmothers house the walls remained up since it wasn't a direct hit but there were all kinds of bits and pieces stuck in one of the outer walls
/Granted lost most of the roof and the house actually twisted on it's foundation so it was totaled
//3 people lost their lives in that storm back in 2008 their houses were leveled to the foundation.
///Organically it was classified an EF3 but later upgraded to EF4
//amazing seeing the destruction along it's path
/I really do feel for the people today and what they now have to go through
 
2013-05-19 11:43:23 PM

Great Porn Dragon: Mrtraveler01: Shadow Blasko: Begoggle: [24.media.tumblr.com image 400x258]

Meanwhile in Ohio...

/Moved from Norman, OK the day after the F4 hit in 2003

Totally safe here

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Unless you're in anywhere in the lower Ohio Valley including SW Ohio near Dayton or Cincinnati. Then you're screwed.

/Tornado in Xenia, OH back in the 1960's Super Outbreak of April 1974 is still considered historic by meteorologists
//Although to be fair, I think the outbreak started in Indiana which does get its share of tornadoes.
///too lazy to look it up

Minor corrections, as you were a bit lazy to look it up and, well, I live in the Ohio River Tornado Alleys and have relatives who live pretty much in that rough area of Ohio. :D

For those unaware--modern storm research acknowledges at least five major "Tornado Alleys", including not only the well-known "Traditional Tornado Alley" but smaller "tornado alleys" in Florida and North Carolina as well as (relevant to our interests re superoutbreaks) Dixie Alley (stretching across roughly the non-coastal parts of the former Confederacy) and Hoosier Alley (covering largely Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky, and the eastern half of Missouri).  Some researchers combine the Dixie and Hoosier Alleys (due to the fact there is some significant overlap in the Ohio Valley) and the Joplin, MO tornado occured in an area considered an "overlap" region between "Traditional Tornado Alley" and Hoosier Alley.

Of particular note, whilst Hoosier Alley and Dixie Alley don't have quite the yearly volume of "Traditional Tornado Alley", there is a considerably larger-than-average rate of strong-to-violent tornadoes (EF3 and above) compared to "Traditional Tornado Alley", a higher percentage of killer tornadoes (though this may be partly due to mobile homes being more common in Dixie Alley in particular), and the area does have the tendency to throw out not only superoutbreaks with both derecho-spawned and supercell-spawned tornado activ ...


There is nothing minor about these corrections...
 
2013-05-19 11:47:49 PM

Shadow Blasko: tinfoil-hat maggie: Aigoo: Rainier was twitchy years ago when I lived there...

I mean I know it's an active volcano and if I lived nearby I would probably have learned a lot more vulcanology, but I mean like anything out of the norm, granted that doesn't mean anything. Just like a year or more ago there was a 5(?) magnitude on a fault near the New Madrid did that mean anything well it hasn't yet but it was different.

There is apparently a more dangerous fault line north of New Madrid that is called the Wasatch if I recall correctly.

Either way, when either one of them lets go it will be the end of Memphis and most of St Louis, and will cause massive damage as far away as Chicago and Columbus


Wabash Fault system, of which parts extend into Indiana (the fault system in New Albany that causes a 5-pointer about every ten years in the Louisville metro is considered basically the easternmost extension of that fault system)--and it's considered more dangerous because it's part of the same failed rift that birthed New Madrid but we know a lot less about it (as I understand it, seismologists are just now starting to really study the seismic history of the Wabash Fault system seeing as it was really only recognised as a threat a few years back).

I myself would argue that probably the most dangerous fault system in the US isn't New Madrid or Wabash, though--try the Cascadia fault system along the coast of Washington and British Columbia (that one throws Fukushima/Boxing Day Tsunami level 9.0+ about every three hundred years or so, and is overdue; there's also some VERY real concern that when Cascadia blows (and pretty much wipes Seattle, Bellingham, and Vancouver off the map) that it could trigger ALL the Three Sisters and add Hot Lava Doom along with the Tsunami Doom and Earthquake Doom and Half-Of-Seattle-Sliding-Into-The-Freaking-Pacific-Because-Said-Half-Is -Built-On-Landfill-That-In-A-Quake-Turns-To-The-Consistency-Of-The-Ave rage-Passengers-Liquishiats-During-A-Rotavirus-Fueled-Carnival-Lines-P oop-Cruise Doom).

(That last one, incidentially, is pretty much why everything from about Columbus west is farked when New Madrid and/or the Wabash Fault blows; karst land and areas with lots of rivers tend, shall we say, to liquefy in a good flood; a major earthquake would pretty much turn the Ohio Valley into a big farking jello bowl.)
 
2013-05-19 11:50:59 PM

Shadow Blasko: You forgot the VX nerve gas storage and destruction facilty in Richmond KY.


...yes, I did forget the VX (and other flavours of nerve gas and blistering agents) at the Bluegrass Repository in Richmond, thanks for reminding me of another of the 31 Flavours of Farked we really are here :D  (And yes, there HAVE been some real legitimate scares regarding the threat of a tornado strike to said chemical weapons storage and destruction facility.   Let's just say if a tornado hits it, a goodly chunk of the Lexington metro area gets to experience the human version of Raid bug spray. :P)
 
2013-05-19 11:52:53 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Stone Meadow:

BTW, can one even feel a 2.8?

Sometimes if you're close. Remember east of the Rockies the soil has a different composition and carries more vibration further.
/Hope I said that right.


IIRC, the land on the Right Coast is more "solid" than the land out here in California so that the energy from an earthquake propagates more efficiently on the Eastern portion of the US.  Here in California, the land has been broken up so many times from previous earthquakes that the energy dissipates very quickly.  Unless the earthquake is especially massive, you have to be quite close to the epicenter to feel it here in California.  The same can't be said for a similarly-sized earthquake on the other coast; there, a single quake can be felt for hundreds of miles around.
 
2013-05-19 11:54:53 PM

Great Porn Dragon: (That last one, incidentially, is pretty much why everything from about Columbus west is farked when New Madrid and/or the Wabash Fault blows; karst land and areas with lots of rivers tend, shall we say, to liquefy in a good flood; a major earthquake would pretty much turn the Ohio Valley into a big farking jello bowl.)


Yup yup...

People who don't live here just don't seem to understand how *different* the geology here is in regards to seismic wave propagation.

Hell, that 3.1 this week in Ottawa was felt very easily in Cincinnati. That's 750 miles... for a 3.1.

A 3.1 in California is barely noticeable more than 50 miles from the epicenter.
 
2013-05-19 11:56:34 PM

Great Porn Dragon: tinfoil-hat maggie: God-is-a-Taco: Stone Meadow:
Tornadoes? Earthquakes? You guys are farked...it's been nice knowing you!

Minor earthquakes aren't very rare any more. Fracking.

Well there's that but New Madrid is just farther east of there and 1-3 magnitude earthquakes are pretty common everywhere.
/Although it is interesting since there's an upper level low in the area.

This WOULD be an interesting corrolation...seeing as (and this is actually fairly rarely even mentioned in reports) Louisville, KY had not only EF4 tornadoes go through on 3 April 1974 but (shortly after the tornadic storms hit) actually had a 5.0 earthquake on the Richter scale (specifically, a quake along a fault in New Albany, Indiana known to be a part of the Wabash Fault system and known for throwing a 5-pointer about every ten years or so).  Actually caused some real concern of additional damage to the Louisville water treatment plant, as its containment tanks had already suffered tornado damage (and the combo of tornado and earthquake damage actually caused a water rationing order for a few days).

Heck, I didn't know about the Louisville quake after the tornado until I found an MP3 of archived footage from WHAS-AM recorded that day (where the earthquake was specifically mentioned)...

Frankly I'm hoping it's just coincidental; I'll freely admit that my personal Disaster Nightmare Fuel would be an EF4 or EF5 tornado followed shortly after by New Madrid or the Wabash Fault system throwing a seven- or eight-pointer. :P


That's pretty interesting and an odd coincidence, which I feel it should be called unless more data point's towards correlation. Although I have wondered about such things I got into reading about New Madrid again at one point looking for unusual weather, but all I found was accounts of Tecumseh seeing strange light's in the sky ( generally attributed to earthquake light's. but data on that part of the country at that time was sparse but it doesn't seem that there was abnormal rainfall or stormy weather. Granted it was just a passing fancy and looking at it closer could reveal more but December (I believe that's when the first New Madrid quake happened ) while it can have tornado's isn't known for them, granted plenty of other low pressure systems going on without the tornadoes.

/Sorry getting a bit tipsy : )
 
2013-05-19 11:56:52 PM

Great Porn Dragon: Shadow Blasko: You forgot the VX nerve gas storage and destruction facilty in Richmond KY.

...yes, I did forget the VX (and other flavours of nerve gas and blistering agents) at the Bluegrass Repository in Richmond, thanks for reminding me of another of the 31 Flavours of Farked we really are here :D  (And yes, there HAVE been some real legitimate scares regarding the threat of a tornado strike to said chemical weapons storage and destruction facility.   Let's just say if a tornado hits it, a goodly chunk of the Lexington metro area gets to experience the human version of Raid bug spray. :P)


Yeah... I'm quite surprised that there has not been a "Sy-Fy" movie ala "Atomic Twister" about what would happen if an EF5 went through that area.
 
2013-05-20 12:01:38 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Granted it was just a passing fancy and looking at it closer could reveal more but December (I believe that's when the first New Madrid quake happened )


There were 4 Big quakes and many aftershocks greater than 7.0 (up to 8.0) over a period of weeks.

It really must have seemed like the end of days....
 
2013-05-20 12:02:56 AM
And a message I'd like to generally send on behalf of Traditional Tornado Alley resident Farkers to $DEITY/$HAARP_Weather_Machine_Ctl/$Bored_Geek_In_11_Dimensional_Space_ Playing_4D_SimCity:

img.fark.net
 
2013-05-20 12:03:09 AM

FizixJunkee: tinfoil-hat maggie: Stone Meadow:

BTW, can one even feel a 2.8?

Sometimes if you're close. Remember east of the Rockies the soil has a different composition and carries more vibration further.
/Hope I said that right.

IIRC, the land on the Right Coast is more "solid" than the land out here in California so that the energy from an earthquake propagates more efficiently on the Eastern portion of the US.  Here in California, the land has been broken up so many times from previous earthquakes that the energy dissipates very quickly.  Unless the earthquake is especially massive, you have to be quite close to the epicenter to feel it here in California.  The same can't be said for a similarly-sized earthquake on the other coast; there, a single quake can be felt for hundreds of miles around.


Thank you for saying it better than I did.
 
2013-05-20 12:03:16 AM

shower_in_my_socks: SCUBA_Archer: Is there such thing as an F5?

My keyboard goes all the way to F12.


Oddly enough, the old Fujita (F-scale) actually did go all the way to F12, equivalent to Mach 1. F5 was simply the naturally-assumed extreme end of the spectrum since nothing that would be considered F6 and above had ever been observed.

i.imgur.com

For the nerds: the closest Kansas sounding this afternoon showed some impressive CAPE values near 5000 and 0-3km helicity around 250. Had a screenshot of the radar/storm velocity from the Wichita storm but got erased from my desktop somehow.
 
2013-05-20 12:08:00 AM

Shadow Blasko: Great Porn Dragon: (That last one, incidentially, is pretty much why everything from about Columbus west is farked when New Madrid and/or the Wabash Fault blows; karst land and areas with lots of rivers tend, shall we say, to liquefy in a good flood; a major earthquake would pretty much turn the Ohio Valley into a big farking jello bowl.)

Yup yup...

People who don't live here just don't seem to understand how *different* the geology here is in regards to seismic wave propagation.

Hell, that 3.1 this week in Ottawa was felt very easily in Cincinnati. That's 750 miles... for a 3.1.

A 3.1 in California is barely noticeable more than 50 miles from the epicenter.


I can confirm this.  Apparently, there have been dozens of 2-3 magnitude earthquakes more or less underneath my house, and I haven't felt anything since I moved to CA 4.5 months ago.

/My sister's in Ottawa.  I should probably say "Congrats on feeling an earthquake before your brother"
 
2013-05-20 12:13:07 AM

Shadow Blasko: tinfoil-hat maggie: Granted it was just a passing fancy and looking at it closer could reveal more but December (I believe that's when the first New Madrid quake happened )

There were 4 Big quakes and many aftershocks greater than 7.0 (up to 8.0) over a period of weeks.

It really must have seemed like the end of days....


To my understanding that is what the inhabitant's near the epicenter(s) thought. I mean strange light's in the sky(see Tecumseh, and he took it as time to free his people, see Fort Mims, 1812 Cherokee uprising) , then the quakes, river flows backwards floods towns, more and more quakes sand geysers blasting into the air. And people wonder why this is called the bible belt (only half kidding)
 
2013-05-20 12:14:14 AM
Move to where the tornadoes aren't and the food is.

/problem solved
 
2013-05-20 12:14:22 AM

Great Porn Dragon: And a message I'd like to generally send on behalf of Traditional Tornado Alley resident Farkers to $DEITY/$HAARP_Weather_Machine_Ctl/$Bored_Geek_In_11_Dimensional_Space_ Playing_4D_SimCity:

[img.fark.net image 275x142]


Thank you the last 2 years were enough.
 
2013-05-20 12:17:05 AM

ds_4815: shower_in_my_socks: SCUBA_Archer: Is there such thing as an F5?

My keyboard goes all the way to F12.

Oddly enough, the old Fujita (F-scale) actually did go all the way to F12, equivalent to Mach 1. F5 was simply the naturally-assumed extreme end of the spectrum since nothing that would be considered F6 and above had ever been observed.

[i.imgur.com image 426x558]

For the nerds: the closest Kansas sounding this afternoon showed some impressive CAPE values near 5000 and 0-3km helicity around 250. Had a screenshot of the radar/storm velocity from the Wichita storm but got erased from my desktop somehow.


Not a nerd, but that was interesting.
 
2013-05-20 12:21:14 AM

trappedspirit: Move to where the tornadoes aren't and the food is.

/problem solved


Ummmm....

Error in parsing for values "food" where value equals "is"
 
2013-05-20 12:26:05 AM

ds_4815: Oddly enough, the old Fujita (F-scale) actually did go all the way to F12, equivalent to Mach 1. F5 was simply the naturally-assumed extreme end of the spectrum since nothing that would be considered F6 and above had ever been observed.


I think I recall reading (and it has been some time) that the Greensburg Tornado might well have been an F6 if the EF scale had not been in use at that time.
 
2013-05-20 12:30:02 AM

ds_4815: Oddly enough, the old Fujita (F-scale) actually did go all the way to F12, equivalent to Mach 1. F5 was simply the naturally-assumed extreme end of the spectrum since nothing that would be considered F6 and above had ever been observed.


Yup--it was generally considered anything so extreme as to cause F6-level damage couldn't be determined just because F5 damage was that extreme.

To my knowledge, there is really only one tornado I've seen reports on that storm researchers even ha-ha-only-serious have stated "If there were an F6 tornado, these would qualify"--the Jarrell, TX tornado of 1997--and that was due to some pretty extreme reports of damage even for an F5 (cattle dismembered and even reports of cattle being eviscerated by winds, dogs actually skinned by the storm, reports of people being blown from the few basements in houses in that area and of house foundations being partially destroyed, actual full-on soil and sod removal to a depth of 18 inches, even cars being caught being so utterly destroyed that they were completely macerated and ground to small unrecognisable bits and in fact twelve vehicles were never found, such severe destruction of human remains that rescuers initially could not tell the difference between the remains of dead humans and dead animals, and so on).

Even with the extreme levels of damage with the Jarrell tornado (which frankly may well have even been unsurvivable even in a regular basement without a fortified tornado safe room--the Jarrell tornado actually managed to make the Joplin killer tornado look tame in comparison, and had it struck in a major metropolitan area instead of a sparsely populated suburb it would have caused a death toll that would easily exceed the Tri-State Twister and would reach well into the thousands of dead) it ultimately "only" received an F5 rating.  (Again, this is likely because of both Jarrell not being a major metro area AND a general reluctance to rate above F5 (officially encoded in the EF scale revision); now, if the Jarrell tornado had hit, say, downtown Dallas and completely razed a skyscraper or ten (and the Jarrell tornado DID completely raze very well-built concrete construction homes bolted to foundations and bedrock; at least one home completely "razed and wiped clean" by the Jarrell storm had walls two feet thick, hence the general judgement by storm experts that the Jarrell tornado was literally unsurvivable in anything short of a full-on underground nuclear bunker) that would probably safely have met the old "F6" criteria.)
 
2013-05-20 12:30:20 AM
Crap.. no . it was the Bridge Creek tornado.. not Greensburg.
 
2013-05-20 12:34:09 AM

Great Porn Dragon: To my knowledge, there is really only one tornado I've seen reports on that storm researchers even ha-ha-only-serious have stated "If there were an F6 tornado, these would qualify"--the Jarrell, TX tornado of 1997--and that was due to some pretty extreme reports of damage even for an F5 (cattle dismembered and even reports of cattle being eviscerated by winds, dogs actually skinned by the storm, reports of people being blown from the few basements in houses in that area and of house foundations being partially destroyed, actual full-on soil and sod removal to a depth of 18 inches, even cars being caught being so utterly destroyed that they were completely macerated and ground to small unrecognisable bits and in fact twelve vehicles were never found, such severe destruction of human remains that rescuers initially could not tell the difference between the remains of dead humans and dead animals, and so on).


You know, I used to think a lot of those old reports of horrifically mangled animals remains were just stories until after the Crittenden tornado last year.

I found a horse with other parts literally driven through it. What looked to be a strong leg bone had completely penetrated the horses cranial cavity. It was gruesome to say the least.
 
2013-05-20 12:35:55 AM

Great Porn Dragon: To my knowledge, there is really only one tornado I've seen reports on that storm researchers even ha-ha-only-serious have stated "If there were an F6 tornado, these would qualify"--the Jarrell, TX tornado of 1997--and that was due to some pretty extreme reports of damage even for an F5 (


And that kills my previous statement of "What if" F6 tornadoes.

Didn't Bridge Creek have 300MPH+ verified wind speeds?
 
2013-05-20 12:39:37 AM

Shadow Blasko: ds_4815: Oddly enough, the old Fujita (F-scale) actually did go all the way to F12, equivalent to Mach 1. F5 was simply the naturally-assumed extreme end of the spectrum since nothing that would be considered F6 and above had ever been observed.

I think I recall reading (and it has been some time) that the Greensburg Tornado might well have been an F6 if the EF scale had not been in use at that time.


This is the first I've heard the damage in the Greensburg, Kansas tornado compared to "F6" damage--strong F5, yeah, but not F6.  (The ONLY tornado I'd ever seen mentioned--both pre- and post-EF scale--that I've seen storm researchers ha-ha-only-serious describe as a "probable candidate for an F6 tornado if it existed" was the 1997 Jarrell storm, and that's just because the damage in that one WAS so incredibly extreme and "off the scale" for even a strong F5 that it could well have tipped the scale to F6.  It's about the only tornado I've ever read about that literally completely scoured concrete buildings (with bolted foundations that were in turn bolted to bedrock) with two-feet-thick reinforced walls (equivalent to skyscraper construction), scoured the earth to a depth of eighteen inches, and destroyed vehicles (and everything else in its path) to the point that most of the remains that could be found could be delicately described as "chunky salsa" (and twelve cars were demolished to the point that no recognisable parts of them were ever found).)

I have heard the Greensburg tornado WAS pretty severe, but not the real Tornadic Nightmare Fuel that came out of Jarrell.  (Point in question: Greensburg actually had survivors in basements.  There are reliable reports that people were literally blown OUT of the few basements that existed in Jarrell, and even aboveground rooms meant as tornado safe rooms were completely destroyed--the Jarrell tornado is about the only one I'd describe as "completely unsurvivable unless you were underground in a reinforced tornado shelter at least six feet deep"--in other words, less even a tornado safe room in a basement and more of a full-on bomb shelter.)
 
2013-05-20 12:40:52 AM

Great Porn Dragon: I myself would argue that probably the most dangerous fault system in the US isn't New Madrid or Wabash, though--try the Cascadia fault system along the coast of Washington and British Columbia (that one throws Fukushima/Boxing Day Tsunami level 9.0+ about every three hundred years or so, and is overdue; there's also some VERY real concern that when Cascadia blows (and pretty much wipes Seattle, Bellingham, and Vancouver off the map) that it could trigger ALL the Three Sisters and add Hot Lava Doom along with the Tsunami Doom and Earthquake Doom and Half-Of-Seattle-Sliding-Into-The-Freaking-Pacific-Because-Said-Half-Is -Built-On-Landfill-That-In-A-Quake-Turns-To-The-Consistency-Of-The-Ave rage-Passengers-Liquishiats-During-A-Rotavirus-Fueled-Carnival-Lines-P oop-Cruise Doom).

(That last one, incidentially, is pretty much why everything from about Columbus west is farked when New Madrid and/or the Wabash Fault blows; karst land and areas with lots of rivers tend, shall we say, to liquefy in a good flood; a major earthquake would pretty much turn the Ohio Valley into a big farking jello bowl.)



I agree pretty much, Cascadia Subduction zone is the bigger risk and while it may seem far fetched to some with the volcanoes going off soon after I do seem to remember accounts of similar occurrences near Tokyo with their subduction fault and Mt. Fuji from a 100+ years ago, and you're very correct at least as far as my understanding goes Seattle much like San Francisco has lot's of places built on landfill that can liquidate in quakes. The US would lose some of it's greatest ports and all the high tech companies there.

Granted that is one of the fears of the New Madrid going is that it would sever trade between the eastern and western sections of the country if the bridges went and the Midwest might not be able to use the Mississippi river for some time.
 
2013-05-20 12:45:07 AM

Shadow Blasko: ds_4815: Oddly enough, the old Fujita (F-scale) actually did go all the way to F12, equivalent to Mach 1. F5 was simply the naturally-assumed extreme end of the spectrum since nothing that would be considered F6 and above had ever been observed.

I think I recall reading (and it has been some time) that the Greensburg Tornado might well have been an F6 if the EF scale had not been in use at that time.


I did not know that I thought even the old Fujita scale only went to 5, and the new EF rating still only goes to 5 it just corresponds more to the destruction seen on the ground than estimated wind speeds by radar,
 
2013-05-20 12:47:39 AM

Great Porn Dragon: but not the real Tornadic Nightmare Fuel that came out of Jarrell.


There is a part of me that really wishes we had the kind of photography and data transfer tech we have now back in 1974.

There was damage between Mason and Sharonville (Twister #44, the one that hit our farm) that was mindboggling. I know that they considered it a strong F4 when it hit the farm, but I personally know of two houses that were ripped from their foundations, with plumbing physically ripped out of the poured basement, and scoured asphalt. Those were on Sunburst drive less than 1/4 mile from the house.

Hell, our John Deere was thrown more than 3/4 of a mile.. But with the devastation in Xenia and Saylor Park... no one ever came to look. (I wish I had been old enough to remember the actual event, but I was only 1.. but my dad met Dr Fujita [or at least his team] up at WPAFB after the storms.
 
2013-05-20 12:50:27 AM

Great Porn Dragon: ds_4815: Oddly enough, the old Fujita (F-scale) actually did go all the way to F12, equivalent to Mach 1. F5 was simply the naturally-assumed extreme end of the spectrum since nothing that would be considered F6 and above had ever been observed.

Yup--it was generally considered anything so extreme as to cause F6-level damage couldn't be determined just because F5 damage was that extreme.

To my knowledge, there is really only one tornado I've seen reports on that storm researchers even ha-ha-only-serious have stated "If there were an F6 tornado, these would qualify"--the Jarrell, TX tornado of 1997--and that was due to some pretty extreme reports of damage even for an F5 (cattle dismembered and even reports of cattle being eviscerated by winds, dogs actually skinned by the storm, reports of people being blown from the few basements in houses in that area and of house foundations being partially destroyed, actual full-on soil and sod removal to a depth of 18 inches, even cars being caught being so utterly destroyed that they were completely macerated and ground to small unrecognisable bits and in fact twelve vehicles were never found, such severe destruction of human remains that rescuers initially could not tell the difference between the remains of dead humans and dead animals, and so on).

Even with the extreme levels of damage with the Jarrell tornado (which frankly may well have even been unsurvivable even in a regular basement without a fortified tornado safe room--the Jarrell tornado actually managed to make the Joplin killer tornado look tame in comparison, and had it struck in a major metropolitan area instead of a sparsely populated suburb it would have caused a death toll that would easily exceed the Tri-State Twister and would reach well into the thousands of dead) it ultimately "only" received an F5 rating.  (Again, this is likely because of both Jarrell not being a major metro area AND a general reluctance to rate above F5 (officially encoded in the EF ...


Oh....wow...I hadn't ever heard of that storm and sorta wish I hadn't. woe
: (
 
2013-05-20 12:53:08 AM

Shadow Blasko: Great Porn Dragon: To my knowledge, there is really only one tornado I've seen reports on that storm researchers even ha-ha-only-serious have stated "If there were an F6 tornado, these would qualify"--the Jarrell, TX tornado of 1997--and that was due to some pretty extreme reports of damage even for an F5 (

And that kills my previous statement of "What if" F6 tornadoes.

Didn't Bridge Creek have 300MPH+ verified wind speeds?


Bridge Creek/Moore (which now that I know what you're talking of... :D) did have a mobile radar (if memory serves me right, one of the early VORTEX missions) indicated speed of 318mph (which, at least according to the old criteria, was RIGHT at the demarcation line between "F5" and "F6").  However, it did get officially rated F5--one reason being (as was noted on storm-related mailinglists at the time) the Fujita scale was generally considered a damage scale, and not a 100% accurate gauge of windspeed.

(Also, an attempt to list this as a world record measurement was shot down because apparently records require wind speeds measured at ground level--the mobile Doppler reading was some 100 feet in the tornado itself, and for obvious reasons an anenometer is not exactly going to survive an F5 tornado. :D)

That storm WAS pretty significant, however, because not only was it the first time wind speeds had been measured in a tornado but it also led to the general tweaks (in the engineering studies that followed) that led to the EF scale (which not only tweaks the speeds downwards but takes into account a lot of engineering info--such as the fact that there is apparently a lot of slipshod-enough construction out there to make homes tornadically vulnerable).

(As an aside--although the Moore tornado was well within F5 levels of damage, the damage was STILL not as severe as Jarrell, TX; among other things, there are records of survival in basements as well as aboveground reinforced "tornado safe rooms".  In fact, arguably the Moore tornado proved that a heavily reinforced "tornado safe room" aboveground DID offer a way to survive even a violent tornado (for anything short of Jarrell, and I'm not sure a lot of underground shelter options would have been survivable), and the survival of a dedicated aboveground "tornado safe room" in Moore has directly led to research and improvements (and now official plans including retrofitting plans) on aboveground tornado shelters in areas where (due to bedrock or high water tables) underground shelters are impossible to build.  At least some of this research is being used to build new aboveground tornado refuges in areas of Dixie Alley that got hit in the Mega Outbreak and suffered large death tolls due to the lack of underground shelter options.)
 
2013-05-20 12:55:56 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: I do seem to remember accounts of similar occurrences near Tokyo with their subduction fault


Have you ever seen The Sinking Of Japan?

Great movie... especially if you like epic nightmare fuel.
 
2013-05-20 12:58:12 AM

Shadow Blasko: Great Porn Dragon: but not the real Tornadic Nightmare Fuel that came out of Jarrell.

There is a part of me that really wishes we had the kind of photography and data transfer tech we have now back in 1974.

There was damage between Mason and Sharonville (Twister #44, the one that hit our farm) that was mindboggling. I know that they considered it a strong F4 when it hit the farm, but I personally know of two houses that were ripped from their foundations, with plumbing physically ripped out of the poured basement, and scoured asphalt. Those were on Sunburst drive less than 1/4 mile from the house.

Hell, our John Deere was thrown more than 3/4 of a mile.. But with the devastation in Xenia and Saylor Park... no one ever came to look. (I wish I had been old enough to remember the actual event, but I was only 1.. but my dad met Dr Fujita [or at least his team] up at WPAFB after the storms.


Well I know of houses taken completely of their foundations in EF4's but not sure about the scoured concrete. EF4's are unbelievable. I wish I could find my pics of what one did. EF5's are pretty much wipe the Earth clean not much left were it was.
 
2013-05-20 12:59:37 AM

Shadow Blasko: tinfoil-hat maggie: I do seem to remember accounts of similar occurrences near Tokyo with their subduction fault

Have you ever seen The Sinking Of Japan?

Great movie... especially if you like epic nightmare fuel.


I may have to see if I can find it, hmmmm.
 
2013-05-20 01:01:10 AM

Great Porn Dragon: (Also, an attempt to list this as a world record measurement was shot down because apparently records require wind speeds measured at ground level--the mobile Doppler reading was some 100 feet in the tornado itself, and for obvious reasons an anenometer is not exactly going to survive an F5 tornado. :D)

That storm WAS pretty significant, however, because not only was it the first time wind speeds had been measured in a tornado but it also led to the general tweaks (in the engineering studies that followed) that led to the EF scale (which not only tweaks the speeds downwards but takes into account a lot of engineering info--such as the fact that there is apparently a lot of slipshod-enough construction out there to make homes tornadically vulnerable).


Nods nods and more nods.

I have read a veritable library on Moore/Bridge Creek, but not so much about Jarrell.

Every time I start reading now it makes me wanna go to school and get back on my career track, which is statistically impossible for me right now, so it just gets depressing.
 
2013-05-20 01:03:03 AM
The May 3rd 1999 tornado had confirmed windspeeds of 318 mph. Holy freaking god that's fast.
 
2013-05-20 01:03:49 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Shadow Blasko: tinfoil-hat maggie: I do seem to remember accounts of similar occurrences near Tokyo with their subduction fault

Have you ever seen The Sinking Of Japan?

Great movie... especially if you like epic nightmare fuel.

I may have to see if I can find it, hmmmm.


It's on the Youtubes, and other places have it. Subtitles required, but wow .. Great disaster porn.
 
2013-05-20 01:05:25 AM

7th Son of a 7th Son: The May 3rd 1999 tornado had confirmed windspeeds of 318 mph. Holy freaking god that's fast.


Yep, thats the Bridge Creek/Moore storm we have been talking about.

upload.wikimedia.org

Thats what an EF5 does to your truck.
 
2013-05-20 01:07:13 AM
Whelp it hit a mobile home park. It ran its course I guess
 
2013-05-20 01:10:44 AM

Shadow Blasko: Great Porn Dragon: (Also, an attempt to list this as a world record measurement was shot down because apparently records require wind speeds measured at ground level--the mobile Doppler reading was some 100 feet in the tornado itself, and for obvious reasons an anenometer is not exactly going to survive an F5 tornado. :D)

That storm WAS pretty significant, however, because not only was it the first time wind speeds had been measured in a tornado but it also led to the general tweaks (in the engineering studies that followed) that led to the EF scale (which not only tweaks the speeds downwards but takes into account a lot of engineering info--such as the fact that there is apparently a lot of slipshod-enough construction out there to make homes tornadically vulnerable).

Nods nods and more nods.

I have read a veritable library on Moore/Bridge Creek, but not so much about Jarrell.

Every time I start reading now it makes me wanna go to school and get back on my career track, which is statistically impossible for me right now, so it just gets depressing.


Why if you don't mind me asking, although I would love to go into meteorology but really I'm to old to start into that,
 
2013-05-20 01:12:58 AM

Shadow Blasko: tinfoil-hat maggie: Shadow Blasko: tinfoil-hat maggie: I do seem to remember accounts of similar occurrences near Tokyo with their subduction fault

Have you ever seen The Sinking Of Japan?

Great movie... especially if you like epic nightmare fuel.

I may have to see if I can find it, hmmmm.

It's on the Youtubes, and other places have it. Subtitles required, but wow .. Great disaster porn.


Cool thanks : )
Yes I do love disaster movies even if it is only to see how bad they can be : )
 
2013-05-20 01:15:41 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Shadow Blasko: Great Porn Dragon: (Also, an attempt to list this as a world record measurement was shot down because apparently records require wind speeds measured at ground level--the mobile Doppler reading was some 100 feet in the tornado itself, and for obvious reasons an anenometer is not exactly going to survive an F5 tornado. :D)

That storm WAS pretty significant, however, because not only was it the first time wind speeds had been measured in a tornado but it also led to the general tweaks (in the engineering studies that followed) that led to the EF scale (which not only tweaks the speeds downwards but takes into account a lot of engineering info--such as the fact that there is apparently a lot of slipshod-enough construction out there to make homes tornadically vulnerable).

Nods nods and more nods.

I have read a veritable library on Moore/Bridge Creek, but not so much about Jarrell.

Every time I start reading now it makes me wanna go to school and get back on my career track, which is statistically impossible for me right now, so it just gets depressing.

Why if you don't mind me asking, although I would love to go into meteorology but really I'm to old to start into that,


I'm 40, I have $200,000 in medical debt, and I'm jobless again since my last contract completed with GE.

Right now I'm barely able to secure basic "food/place to sleep/clothing" essentials.

Unless I win the lottery (which, you know.. I cant afford to play) a 6 year degree in Emergency Management  systems/Information Management is a non-starter
 
2013-05-20 01:16:50 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Shadow Blasko: ds_4815: Oddly enough, the old Fujita (F-scale) actually did go all the way to F12, equivalent to Mach 1. F5 was simply the naturally-assumed extreme end of the spectrum since nothing that would be considered F6 and above had ever been observed.

I think I recall reading (and it has been some time) that the Greensburg Tornado might well have been an F6 if the EF scale had not been in use at that time.

I did not know that I thought even the old Fujita scale only went to 5, and the new EF rating still only goes to 5 it just corresponds more to the destruction seen on the ground than estimated wind speeds by radar,


There's some rather interesting history re the (old) Fujita scale, and why we use the new EF scale (which actually is quite a bit more accurate)...

The old F scale, interestingly, was not originally developed at all for storms but (seriously) for measurement of damage from nuclear blast; the original version pretty much treated it as an extension of the Beaufort scale up to Mach 1.  The 1974 Super Outbreak was really the first time the Fujita scale had been used for civilian use in measuring general (non-blast-related) wind damage.  (It also went in theory all the way up to F12, but it was generally assumed that you'd never actually see anything beyond F5 levels of damage in something not involving Nuclear Farking Weapons.  Jarrell, TX is about the closest we've seen to where a tornado has tried its very, very best to keep up with the amount of destruction the blast from an A-bomb or H-bomb can cause.)

Around the time of the Moore tornado (and after a few other measurements not focusing on tornadoes--including, notably, Hurricane Andrew (which around that time was recognised as being actually a Category 5 hurricane instead of a Category 4--it actually got formally reclassified a few years back), some of the initial VORTEX Mobile Doppler measurements, and Cyclone Olivia in Australia which had a recorded wind gust well into modern EF4 range) it was beginning to be recognised that there were two flaws in the Fujita scale.

One was that (even accounting for the Well Constructed Homes that the Fujita scale made a VERY big assumption about) wind speeds tended to be overestimated by 30 to 40 percent (it turned out that it didn't require as high of wind speeds as we thought to cause "F4" and "F5" levels of damage).

The other flaw was...well...to put it bluntly, "Well Constructed Homes" of the type assumed by the original Fujita scale tend to be surprisingly uncommon.  It turns out that a lot of homes tended to have substandard construction in one way or another--weak bolts on the foundation, roof built without hurricane straps in high wind regions, cheap crappy wood in frame construction, and so on.

So after a lot of engineering studies and more research (both in wind tunnels and "in the field" including more mobile Doppler measurements and comparison with other types of wind damage in Category 4 and Category 5 hurricanes and the like), in 2007 we got the Enhanced Fujita Scale which not only tends to knock the wind speeds down but takes a lot more construction factors into account.  (Among other things, it does pretty expressly take into account that sometimes you will have crappy construction that makes a home more vulnerable to tornado damage, and includes factors to "tweak" for that instead of just treating all frame houses equally.  This is one reason why the EF scale is not directly comparable to the old F scale.)

They also pretty much (since this was more of a derivative scale and not a "How Good Does The H-Bomb Blow Shiat Up" scale adapted to measure "How Much The Tornado Farked Shiat Up"--more an explicitly designed "How Much The Tornado Farked Shiat Up When Accounting For Cheap-Ass Construction" scale) did away with anything above "EF-5"--partly because it was seen as Completely Irrelevant as nothing had EVER been classified "F6" that had Not Involved Nuclear Farking Weapons, and partly to establish a sense of parity with the Saffir-Simpson scale we use for measuring hurricane winds.

Cliff's Notes version: There used to be an F6-F12, but it never has been used in civvie use of the Fujita Scale (which actually was developed to measure destructiveness of one of the few things scarier than a violent tornado--unless the tornado hits the nuke plant, you don't usually have to worry about radiation sickness from a tornado).  When we fixed what we found was broken with the Fujita Scale, we just set five levels to it as that's all we'd ever used and it also fits well with the hurricane scale we use now.
 
2013-05-20 01:18:39 AM

Shadow Blasko: 7th Son of a 7th Son: The May 3rd 1999 tornado had confirmed windspeeds of 318 mph. Holy freaking god that's fast.

Yep, thats the Bridge Creek/Moore storm we have been talking about.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 600x450]

Thats what an EF5 does to your truck.


and now I see what I said was previously mentioned. :( I really should go to bed.
 
2013-05-20 01:20:04 AM

7th Son of a 7th Son: Shadow Blasko: 7th Son of a 7th Son: The May 3rd 1999 tornado had confirmed windspeeds of 318 mph. Holy freaking god that's fast.

Yep, thats the Bridge Creek/Moore storm we have been talking about.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 600x450]

Thats what an EF5 does to your truck.

and now I see what I said was previously mentioned. :( I really should go to bed.


Nah.. its cool! We love it when we get to have fun conversations with people actually interested in the subject matter... v/s TROLLTROLLOLOLOLOBHENGAZIUMBRELLAGATE
 
2013-05-20 01:22:25 AM

Shadow Blasko: Unless I win the lottery (which, you know.. I cant afford to play) a 6 year degree in Emergency Management systems/Information Management is a non-starter


So you're a typical US American I know the feeling, so am I it's a crazy world. You seem quite smart and social so you shouldn't have problems in the job market, yea, yea there needs to be a market first.
 
2013-05-20 01:24:11 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Shadow Blasko: Unless I win the lottery (which, you know.. I cant afford to play) a 6 year degree in Emergency Management systems/Information Management is a non-starter

So you're a typical US American I know the feeling, so am I it's a crazy world. You seem quite smart and social so you shouldn't have problems in the job market, yea, yea there needs to be a market first.


Its funny, I have worked IT for 14 years, and just moved from Cincy to Columbus, and there are a farkton more jobs up here (at least.. more listings) than there were down there.

Now I just need to get one. For a few months. I'm moving to Florida this winter, so... then I get to start over
 
2013-05-20 01:25:31 AM

Shadow Blasko: 7th Son of a 7th Son: Shadow Blasko: 7th Son of a 7th Son: The May 3rd 1999 tornado had confirmed windspeeds of 318 mph. Holy freaking god that's fast.

Yep, thats the Bridge Creek/Moore storm we have been talking about.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 600x450]

Thats what an EF5 does to your truck.

and now I see what I said was previously mentioned. :( I really should go to bed.

Nah.. its cool! We love it when we get to have fun conversations with people actually interested in the subject matter... v/s TROLLTROLLOLOLOLOBHENGAZIUMBRELLAGATE


LOL yeah that gets old fast. I've lived in OK all my life. Closest I've been to a tornado was on May 8th 1986. Edmond tornado. I will remember that night forever.
 
2013-05-20 01:26:49 AM
One can't imagine why the Lord hates Kansans.
 
2013-05-20 01:28:44 AM

7th Son of a 7th Son: Shadow Blasko: 7th Son of a 7th Son: Shadow Blasko: 7th Son of a 7th Son: The May 3rd 1999 tornado had confirmed windspeeds of 318 mph. Holy freaking god that's fast.

Yep, thats the Bridge Creek/Moore storm we have been talking about.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 600x450]

Thats what an EF5 does to your truck.

and now I see what I said was previously mentioned. :( I really should go to bed.

Nah.. its cool! We love it when we get to have fun conversations with people actually interested in the subject matter... v/s TROLLTROLLOLOLOLOBHENGAZIUMBRELLAGATE

LOL yeah that gets old fast. I've lived in OK all my life. Closest I've been to a tornado was on May 8th 1986. Edmond tornado. I will remember that night forever.


I've been in 7. Two of those before I was 12, and 4 of them on purpose...

Also managed to get my vehicle struck by lightning for the 2nd time last week.. and i wasn't even chasing, i was just driving home!

I was a very amateur chaser in the 90's, trained spotter now, and I just get lucky a bunch.

Growing up in a town that was hit by a F4 it just becomes part of who you are... and you either get scared of it, or you learn to grok it. I did the latter and it kinda set me up for life as one of those weathergeeks
 
2013-05-20 01:34:23 AM

Shadow Blasko: 7th Son of a 7th Son: Shadow Blasko: 7th Son of a 7th Son: Shadow Blasko: 7th Son of a 7th Son: The May 3rd 1999 tornado had confirmed windspeeds of 318 mph. Holy freaking god that's fast.

Yep, thats the Bridge Creek/Moore storm we have been talking about.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 600x450]

Thats what an EF5 does to your truck.

and now I see what I said was previously mentioned. :( I really should go to bed.

Nah.. its cool! We love it when we get to have fun conversations with people actually interested in the subject matter... v/s TROLLTROLLOLOLOLOBHENGAZIUMBRELLAGATE

LOL yeah that gets old fast. I've lived in OK all my life. Closest I've been to a tornado was on May 8th 1986. Edmond tornado. I will remember that night forever.

I've been in 7. Two of those before I was 12, and 4 of them on purpose...

Also managed to get my vehicle struck by lightning for the 2nd time last week.. and i wasn't even chasing, i was just driving home!

I was a very amateur chaser in the 90's, trained spotter now, and I just get lucky a bunch.

Growing up in a town that was hit by a F4 it just becomes part of who you are... and you either get scared of it, or you learn to grok it. I did the latter and it kinda set me up for life as one of those weathergeeks


I grew up in OKC/Edmond and I really wanted to be a storm chaser when I was a kid. Even went to one of "Those Terrible Twisters" shows with Gary England. Used to ride along with some amateur chasers around 2001 but never saw anything.
 
2013-05-20 01:34:27 AM

Great Porn Dragon: tinfoil-hat maggie: Shadow Blasko: ds_4815: Oddly enough, the old Fujita (F-scale) actually did go all the way to F12, equivalent to Mach 1. F5 was simply the naturally-assumed extreme end of the spectrum since nothing that would be considered F6 and above had ever been observed.

I think I recall reading (and it has been some time) that the Greensburg Tornado might well have been an F6 if the EF scale had not been in use at that time.

I did not know that I thought even the old Fujita scale only went to 5, and the new EF rating still only goes to 5 it just corresponds more to the destruction seen on the ground than estimated wind speeds by radar,

There's some rather interesting history re the (old) Fujita scale, and why we use the new EF scale (which actually is quite a bit more accurate)...

The old F scale, interestingly, was not originally developed at all for storms but (seriously) for measurement of damage from nuclear blast; the original version pretty much treated it as an extension of the Beaufort scale up to Mach 1.  The 1974 Super Outbreak was really the first time the Fujita scale had been used for civilian use in measuring general (non-blast-related) wind damage.  (It also went in theory all the way up to F12, but it was generally assumed that you'd never actually see anything beyond F5 levels of damage in something not involving Nuclear Farking Weapons.  Jarrell, TX is about the closest we've seen to where a tornado has tried its very, very best to keep up with the amount of destruction the blast from an A-bomb or H-bomb can cause.)

Around the time of the Moore tornado (and after a few other measurements not focusing on tornadoes--including, notably, Hurricane Andrew (which around that time was recognised as being actually a Category 5 hurricane instead of a Category 4--it actually got formally reclassified a few years back), some of the initial VORTEX Mobile Doppler measurements, and Cyclone Olivia in Australia which had a recorded wind gust well in ...


Wow, I learned something today, storta makes sense even though my brain want's to rebel against the idea, I mean in a nuke I wanna believe it's all straight line winds even with reading survivors reports about fire tornadoes and realizing winds don't always travel in straight lines.
/Sad story bro
 
2013-05-20 01:35:44 AM

BuckTurgidson: One can't imagine why the Lord hates Kansans.


The Lord of what?
 
2013-05-20 01:36:29 AM

7th Son of a 7th Son: The May 3rd 1999 tornado had confirmed windspeeds of 318 mph. Holy freaking god that's fast.


As Shadow Blasko noted, yup, that's the Moore tornado (under the old "F scale" criteria, the wind speed was on the border between F5 and F6--it ended up being classified F5 because we did (and still do) rely on actual damage rather than mobile Doppler measurement for classification because mobile Doppler is still pretty much an experimental research tool with some amount of error, possibly overestimating a wee bit).

And yes, it was the first time we'd gotten to measure winds in a tornado (100 feet up in the tornado, but the fact it was done at all was historic).  Actually remember when the first announcements on the success came out in WX-TALK and WX-CHASE, as they really pretty much got the plum out of the pie with that one :D

Nightmare fuel for you: The Moore tornado of 1999 is generally considered to be a strong F5 (and would probably have fit under modern EF5 criteria as well--interestingly, it was some of the engineering studies that came out re homes damaged and destroyed in Moore that showed that "Well Constructed" buildings tend to be anything but), but it was survivable in a basement, and (again, of historic note) the first known occurrence of someone surviving a confirmed strong F5 tornado in an aboveground shelter was with a person who had built a "tornado closet" out of reinforced concrete with steel doors and bolted to its foundation (the house was utterly obliterated but the "tornado closet" and its elderly occupant survived)--suffice it to say that this has led to a lot of research and development on aboveground tornado refuge rooms being a real possibility in places like Dixie Alley or parts of Texas where underground shelters are impossible to build.

In Jarrell, TX (a tornado where the same folks who classified the Moore tornado as "strong F5" have noted "If we actually used the 'F6' classification, this may be the only tornado on record that meets that criteria")...an aboveground shelter arguably built even tougher than the tornado-closet that survived a direct hit by the Moore F5...was completely and utterly obliterated, razed, and its occupants dismembered.  People who had basements (most of the subdivision that got hit was built on bedrock and its foundations bolted to the bedrock) got literally sucked out and dismembered.  The farking thing sucked the trees, grass, and everything else to a depth of eighteen inches and so utterly and completely destroyed twelve cars that they never found identifiable parts of those cars...not even engine blocks survived (and usually an F5 would throw cars, might wrap them around a tree like a demented Maypole, but usually an F5 doesn't farking turn cars into very sharp confetti).  I have to agree with the likes of Chuck Doswell that if any tornado deserved to have been classified as an F6, Jarrell did...the ONLY good thing that can be said about that particular bit of whirlydoom is that it didn't hit Dallas, Texas in the middle of afternoon rush hour and pile up a body count that would have quite possibly made Bangladeshis go "Oh, shiat" :P

(Bangladesh, in case you're curious, is about the only place in the world that has the level of tornadogenesis that exists in the Tornado Alleys in the US.  They also pretty routinely get hundreds of people killed in a single tornado (because things like "tornado warnings" and "tornado shelters" just do not exist in Bangladesh) and at least one tornado has caused over 1300 deaths as recently as 1989.  If the Jarrell tornado had hit in Dallas, it'd easily dwarf that death toll, sadly.)
 
2013-05-20 01:36:49 AM

Shadow Blasko: tinfoil-hat maggie: Shadow Blasko: Unless I win the lottery (which, you know.. I cant afford to play) a 6 year degree in Emergency Management systems/Information Management is a non-starter

So you're a typical US American I know the feeling, so am I it's a crazy world. You seem quite smart and social so you shouldn't have problems in the job market, yea, yea there needs to be a market first.

Its funny, I have worked IT for 14 years, and just moved from Cincy to Columbus, and there are a farkton more jobs up here (at least.. more listings) than there were down there.

Now I just need to get one. For a few months. I'm moving to Florida this winter, so... then I get to start over


Best of luck : )
 
2013-05-20 01:37:23 AM

7th Son of a 7th Son: I grew up in OKC/Edmond and I really wanted to be a storm chaser when I was a kid. Even went to one of "Those Terrible Twisters" shows with Gary England. Used to ride along with some amateur chasers around 2001 but never saw anything.


I really would have loved to get in with a REAL research team and do some chasing, but ... when it got popular it got stupid and polarized. I can't afford to (or have the education) to run with the big guys, and I simply WON'T make a bad situation worse by running with the commercial guys or the rogues/tornado tourism teams.

I'm glad to say that I was able to do it when it was more dangerous, but less insane.

OMG.. I'M A TORNADO HIPSTER!
 
2013-05-20 01:41:14 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: BuckTurgidson: One can't imagine why the Lord hates Kansans.

The Lord of what?


The Lord of Grace, and of Mercy, and of Brotherhood, and of Love, of course.
 
2013-05-20 01:42:15 AM
NecoConeco:
This is Colleen Coyle from WFAA in Dallas. She could share my shelter any time.
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Nice. I suppose part of me should feel guilty that only hot young women are hired, but at least for a few minutes I can pretend 80% of my fellow Americans aren't overweight.
 
2013-05-20 01:43:50 AM

Great Porn Dragon: (Bangladesh, in case you're curious, is about the only place in the world that has the level of tornadogenesis that exists in the Tornado Alleys in the US. They also pretty routinely get hundreds of people killed in a single tornado (because things like "tornado warnings" and "tornado shelters" just do not exist in Bangladesh) and at least one tornado has caused over 1300 deaths as recently as 1989. If the Jarrell tornado had hit in Dallas, it'd easily dwarf that death toll, sadly.)


I'm so so very terrified of EF4 or shiatting something like Bonnaroo or PENNSIC or a large Renaissance faire (where I spend a lot of weekends) that there is no word for it.

Thats why I really want to see CELLULAR TOWER BASED warning systems embedded in all devices, regardless of network subscription or service level, that can warn people DIRECTLY in the path of a storm in good time.

(Say hello to what would have been my thesis)
 
2013-05-20 01:44:48 AM

Tom_Slick: UnspokenVoice: Tom_Slick: Aigoo: So, I'm sorry; you were saying about tornadoes and how good we have it?

You are not Mississippi who gets Tornadoes AND Hurricanes or something like that.

/If you want to avoid severe weather move to Maine, lived in northern Maine for 15 years other than the occasional blizzard now big weather problems and you can prepare for for blizzards.

Believe it or not, that was a prime consideration for my retiring here.

Did you retire to Northern Massachusetts Maine or Real Maine?


Real Maine® - Up between Rangeley and Stratton about a half mile off Rt. 16.
 
2013-05-20 01:49:29 AM

Shadow Blasko: 7th Son of a 7th Son: I grew up in OKC/Edmond and I really wanted to be a storm chaser when I was a kid. Even went to one of "Those Terrible Twisters" shows with Gary England. Used to ride along with some amateur chasers around 2001 but never saw anything.

I really would have loved to get in with a REAL research team and do some chasing, but ... when it got popular it got stupid and polarized. I can't afford to (or have the education) to run with the big guys, and I simply WON'T make a bad situation worse by running with the commercial guys or the rogues/tornado tourism teams.

I'm glad to say that I was able to do it when it was more dangerous, but less insane.

OMG.. I'M A TORNADO HIPSTER!


Actually, you're a DOUBLE tornado hipster because you've lived in an area where pretty much all storm chasers save for yahoos fear to tread! :D

Yes, serious on that, too--let's just say I got to see THIS particular F4 almost too close for comfort and almost all of the chase logs from folks who dared to chase that storm were summable as "THIS IS MADNESS.  NEVER AGAIN.  DEAR GODS HOOSIER ALLEY IS SCARY AND I SAY THAT AS SOMEONE WHO CHASES OUT WEST ENOUGH THAT I THINK ONE OF THE FOUR FOOD GROUPS CONSISTS OF ALLSUP'S BURRITOS."

(And yes, I feel your pain re job markets--as you know, it's even worse in Kentucky, to the point that sometimes folks here look to Cincy just to find somewhere that ISN'T H-1B farming or only hiring internships.  Also hear you on the medical bills--not lump sum in my case, fortunately, but more of fun with managing a longterm health issue and possibly two separate genetic time bombs AND a longterm health issue with the SO, and the drugs that let me breathe and let the SO not go into diabetic coma ain't cheap.  I also know it's not easy even if you can get the degree--let's just say a certain television Weather Guy locally was a cow-orker of mine before the post-11-September Dot-Com Crash because he couldn't use a meteorology degree to get on elsewhere...and yes, we talked weather geekery.  Glad to know he finally has made it, but it did take him better part of ten years to get on somewhere.)
 
2013-05-20 01:53:52 AM

Great Porn Dragon: let's just say a certain television Weather Guy locally was a cow-orker of mine before the post-11-September Dot-Com Crash because he couldn't use a meteorology degree to get on elsewhere..


There is a farker who is a Meteorologists from PA who has had the same issue. GREAT guy, but the market is just ... tanked.

Yeah, I spent a year in Central KY and was like .. Whoah.. gotta get outta here and back to Ohio, and then ended living in Cincy and working in Dayton, and now I am in Columbus. It's insane!
 
2013-05-20 01:54:30 AM

BuckTurgidson: tinfoil-hat maggie: BuckTurgidson: One can't imagine why the Lord hates Kansans.

The Lord of what?

The Lord of Grace, and of Mercy, and of Brotherhood, and of Love, of course.


Kathulu?
/So confused : )
//Or maybe...Shiva?
///Hmmm, oh I know, Baal right ; )
 
2013-05-20 01:54:35 AM

Shadow Blasko: There is a farker who is a Meteorologists from PA


I swear I typed that better. I haz no skillz on a laptop keyboard.
 
2013-05-20 02:02:31 AM

Great Porn Dragon: (Bangladesh, in case you're curious, is about the only place in the world that has the level of tornadogenesis that exists in the Tornado Alleys in the US.


My bathroom reading is, as of late, an older (2001) Guinness Book of World Records. I was surprised to read that the UK has the most tornadoes per year per square mile. I was quite surprised by this as one seldom hears about them coming from the UK so I went online and that appears to be factually correct. Ah well, I figured I'd mention it as an interesting aside.
 
2013-05-20 02:05:10 AM

Shadow Blasko: Great Porn Dragon: (Bangladesh, in case you're curious, is about the only place in the world that has the level of tornadogenesis that exists in the Tornado Alleys in the US. They also pretty routinely get hundreds of people killed in a single tornado (because things like "tornado warnings" and "tornado shelters" just do not exist in Bangladesh) and at least one tornado has caused over 1300 deaths as recently as 1989. If the Jarrell tornado had hit in Dallas, it'd easily dwarf that death toll, sadly.)

I'm so so very terrified of EF4 or shiatting something like Bonnaroo or PENNSIC or a large Renaissance faire (where I spend a lot of weekends) that there is no word for it.

Thats why I really want to see CELLULAR TOWER BASED warning systems embedded in all devices, regardless of network subscription or service level, that can warn people DIRECTLY in the path of a storm in good time.

(Say hello to what would have been my thesis)


There's a LOT of emergency managers who'd love to see your thesis--I'll admit my personal nightmare scenario in that vein is a violent tornado hitting the Kentucky Derby or a major NASCAR event (both of which have come disturbingly close for comfort--we HAVE had severe thunderstorms with hail hit the Derby Eve concerts in the infield the day before the Derby, and Talladega HAS had tornado warnings and even (EF-0 and EF-1) tornado strikes though not in the middle of a major race weekend)...because frankly there isn't a good way to herd 100,000+ people to shelter in time.

There is starting to be some cell integration with community based warning systems, but it's still not perfect--I've seen tornado warnings come across via the "emergency alert system MMS" some 45 minutes AFTER issuance by the NWS, about five minutes before it's meant to expire (and thus making it useless).

I'd note that anything using cell service would need to be more robust, and I do agree it should technically be a sort of "reverse 911" based on tower reception (it's entirely possible, as emergency 911/113 services are available on phones which are not activated on a network and are not subscribers; a lot of women's shelters explicitly take used cell phone donations explicitly for use as emergency "panic button" phones).  Basically IPAWS on steroids (or what IPAWS is really MEANT to be in practice).

(Wireless Emergency Alerts --the system for sending EAS alerts via cell phone MMS--is SUPPOSED to be this in practice but it not only depends on availability and provider but (in my experience) is still rather "laggy" compared to other warning mechanisms...which is a Bad Thing when messages pertaining to public safety may be involved.  WEA has also only been really active since August of last year, WEA capability is still very provider-specific and requires phone subscription, and is still voluntary (cell phone providers aren't required to implement it, and there's not a mandatory "WEA Chip" in cell phones)
 
2013-05-20 02:09:28 AM

UnspokenVoice: Great Porn Dragon: (Bangladesh, in case you're curious, is about the only place in the world that has the level of tornadogenesis that exists in the Tornado Alleys in the US.

My bathroom reading is, as of late, an older (2001) Guinness Book of World Records. I was surprised to read that the UK has the most tornadoes per year per square mile. I was quite surprised by this as one seldom hears about them coming from the UK so I went online and that appears to be factually correct. Ah well, I figured I'd mention it as an interesting aside.


British tornadoes are too polite to do any visible damage.
 
2013-05-20 02:15:06 AM

Great Porn Dragon: There is starting to be some cell integration with community based warning systems, but it's still not perfect--I've seen tornado warnings come across via the "emergency alert system MMS" some 45 minutes AFTER issuance by the NWS, about five minutes before it's meant to expire (and thus making it useless).


What kills me is that it was discussed with SPRINT and the NWS in 97 (97!!!!) but they didn't want to integrate because they feared it would lead to liability.

Heh, thats how I ended up in Norman talking to the NSSL and NWS about how it could be made to work for common carriers, and what would be required on either end.
That was when I met the chasers I got to tag along with (small world)

And yes, basically IPAWS.

The SPRINT engineers I talked to back in 1997 told me that they could make every phone in range of a tower SCREAM for 20 seconds, with EXISTING technology back then, as long as it had power, with almost no lag. Just a specific ping.

Did you know that Ohio is using EAS for freaking Amber alerts now? WAY TO MAKE PEOPLE IGNORE ALERTS AT 3AM!

Argh... So yeah, thats what I wanted to do was targeting EAS down to cell level and making multimedia information more accessible to seniors and at-risk persons in emergencies (Basically, make it as simple as possible, but more than enough info so it wasn't useless)
 
2013-05-20 02:16:55 AM

UnspokenVoice: Great Porn Dragon: (Bangladesh, in case you're curious, is about the only place in the world that has the level of tornadogenesis that exists in the Tornado Alleys in the US.

My bathroom reading is, as of late, an older (2001) Guinness Book of World Records. I was surprised to read that the UK has the most tornadoes per year per square mile. I was quite surprised by this as one seldom hears about them coming from the UK so I went online and that appears to be factually correct. Ah well, I figured I'd mention it as an interesting aside.


The UK in general is a pretty interesting study--they don't quite get "Traditional Tornado Alley" levels, maybe "Hoosier Alley" levels of tornadogenesis, but tornadogenesis is common enough there that there's been dedicated study and even a British "tornado damage"/"tornado winds" scale (the Tornado and Storm Research Organisation or TORRO--interestingly, largely a network of researchers and observers OUTSIDE of the UK Met Office, basically imagine if a major weather research org was run primarily by Skywarn spotters and the University of Oklahoma-Norman and you get the idea--does have its own tornado scale that is a direct extension of the Beaufort scale as well as a specific hail scale).  The T-scale is of course graded differently than the EF scale (and as a lot of British tornadic activity is in the EF-0 through EF-2 scale, the TORRO scale is more useful in research there) but is VERY roughly comparable to the EF scale; an EF-5 would be roughly equivalent to a T-9 or T-10, an EF-4 covering roughly T-7 to T-8, and so on.

The Netherlands, interestingly, is also a bit of a spot of tornadogenesis in Europe (including some tornadoes that would be likely classified as EF-4 here in the States), and parts of Australia also see some tornadogenesis.
 
2013-05-20 02:19:23 AM

Great Porn Dragon: The Netherlands, interestingly, is also a bit of a spot of tornadogenesis in Europe (including some tornadoes that would be likely classified as EF-4 here in the States),


Italy has been getting some very photogenic tornadoes in the last two years.
 
2013-05-20 02:27:59 AM

Shadow Blasko: Great Porn Dragon: There is starting to be some cell integration with community based warning systems, but it's still not perfect--I've seen tornado warnings come across via the "emergency alert system MMS" some 45 minutes AFTER issuance by the NWS, about five minutes before it's meant to expire (and thus making it useless).

What kills me is that it was discussed with SPRINT and the NWS in 97 (97!!!!) but they didn't want to integrate because they feared it would lead to liability.

Heh, thats how I ended up in Norman talking to the NSSL and NWS about how it could be made to work for common carriers, and what would be required on either end.
That was when I met the chasers I got to tag along with (small world)

And yes, basically IPAWS.

The SPRINT engineers I talked to back in 1997 told me that they could make every phone in range of a tower SCREAM for 20 seconds, with EXISTING technology back then, as long as it had power, with almost no lag. Just a specific ping.

Did you know that Ohio is using EAS for freaking Amber alerts now? WAY TO MAKE PEOPLE IGNORE ALERTS AT 3AM!

Argh... So yeah, thats what I wanted to do was targeting EAS down to cell level and making multimedia information more accessible to seniors and at-risk persons in emergencies (Basically, make it as simple as possible, but more than enough info so it wasn't useless)


LOL...oddly enough, the provider that's laggy as hell with its WEA messages IS Sprint, so maybe they were right to be concerned :D  (Then again, outside of major cities it's a crapshoot whether you'd even get Sprint signal anyways...)

As for the Amber Alert thing...not shocked, as Kentucky has (jeez) done this pretty much every since Amber Alerts were a thing (if I could have a decent NOAA All Hazards radio where I could not just program local FIPS codes but to block specific SAME codes, I'd be golden.  I pretty much CAN do this on modern GRE radio scanners, but I'd like to see this in a dedicated All Hazards radio of the sort they sell down at the Kroger for eleven months of the year here. :D).  Even worse, they're starting to do the same with "Golden Alerts" on television and commercial radio--a "Golden Alert" being basically the same thing as an Amber Alert, only instead of a kid who's been abducted it's an elderly person with dementia who's gone missing or someone who's gone off their meds.  (They don't QUITE get access to NWS yet.  I expect, alas, it's only a matter of time before some Elderly Disappearance Emergency gets added as a SAME code the same way Amber Alerts got shoehorned in as Child Abduction Emergency warnings).
 
2013-05-20 02:56:39 AM

Shadow Blasko: Great Porn Dragon: There is starting to be some cell integration with community based warning systems, but it's still not perfect--I've seen tornado warnings come across via the "emergency alert system MMS" some 45 minutes AFTER issuance by the NWS, about five minutes before it's meant to expire (and thus making it useless).

What kills me is that it was discussed with SPRINT and the NWS in 97 (97!!!!) but they didn't want to integrate because they feared it would lead to liability.

Heh, thats how I ended up in Norman talking to the NSSL and NWS about how it could be made to work for common carriers, and what would be required on either end.
That was when I met the chasers I got to tag along with (small world)

And yes, basically IPAWS.

The SPRINT engineers I talked to back in 1997 told me that they could make every phone in range of a tower SCREAM for 20 seconds, with EXISTING technology back then, as long as it had power, with almost no lag. Just a specific ping.

Did you know that Ohio is using EAS for freaking Amber alerts now? WAY TO MAKE PEOPLE IGNORE ALERTS AT 3AM!

Argh... So yeah, thats what I wanted to do was targeting EAS down to cell level and making multimedia information more accessible to seniors and at-risk persons in emergencies (Basically, make it as simple as possible, but more than enough info so it wasn't useless)


They do that in Oklahoma too. I was fast asleep one night when that all too familiar bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt sound came on at full blast. I honestly thought that NK had launched nukes at us or something. I check my phone and it's an Amber Alert. =/ Luckily they found the kid within a few hours.
 
2013-05-20 03:27:16 AM
Shadow Blasko:

I'm 40, I have $200,000 in medical debt, and I'm jobless again since my last contract completed with GE.

Right now I'm barely able to secure basic "food/place to sleep/clothing" essentials.

Unless I win the lottery (which, you know.. I cant afford to play) a 6 year degree in Emergency Management  systems/Information Management is a non-starter



File bankruptcy to get rid of the crippling debt?
 
2013-05-20 04:30:27 AM

Great Porn Dragon: UnspokenVoice: Great Porn Dragon: (Bangladesh, in case you're curious, is about the only place in the world that has the level of tornadogenesis that exists in the Tornado Alleys in the US.

My bathroom reading is, as of late, an older (2001) Guinness Book of World Records. I was surprised to read that the UK has the most tornadoes per year per square mile. I was quite surprised by this as one seldom hears about them coming from the UK so I went online and that appears to be factually correct. Ah well, I figured I'd mention it as an interesting aside.

The UK in general is a pretty interesting study--they don't quite get "Traditional Tornado Alley" levels, maybe "Hoosier Alley" levels of tornadogenesis, but tornadogenesis is common enough there that there's been dedicated study and even a British "tornado damage"/"tornado winds" scale (the Tornado and Storm Research Organisation or TORRO--interestingly, largely a network of researchers and observers OUTSIDE of the UK Met Office, basically imagine if a major weather research org was run primarily by Skywarn spotters and the University of Oklahoma-Norman and you get the idea--does have its own tornado scale that is a direct extension of the Beaufort scale as well as a specific hail scale).  The T-scale is of course graded differently than the EF scale (and as a lot of British tornadic activity is in the EF-0 through EF-2 scale, the TORRO scale is more useful in research there) but is VERY roughly comparable to the EF scale; an EF-5 would be roughly equivalent to a T-9 or T-10, an EF-4 covering roughly T-7 to T-8, and so on.

The Netherlands, interestingly, is also a bit of a spot of tornadogenesis in Europe (including some tornadoes that would be likely classified as EF-4 here in the States), and parts of Australia also see some tornadogenesis.


I got stuck in your links and almost forgot to thank you. Thanks. ;)

I do that some times, that whole thing where you start with one link and - before you know it - a long time has passed and you have dozens of tabs open... It's an addiction, I need an intervention. The record is, of course, quite clear in stipulating that it is based on the square miles of the country so there's that too. It didn't actually mention anything more than that but it was interesting enough so that I recalled it.

Mentat: British tornadoes are too polite to do any visible damage.


There is that. ;)
 
2013-05-20 04:38:34 AM
 
2013-05-20 05:47:07 AM

KawaiiNot: Yikes! We just flew over those storm cells. It was bumpy but wouldn't have guessed there were tornados. Hope my next flight doesn't get caught up in this weather.


Ever read Wind, Sand and Stars, by Saint Exupery?  there's a great scene where he's flying a mail run, back in the 1920s, and he's lost on top of a cloud deck over the ocean.

He drops down through, hoping to see the coast, and winds up flying through a forest of waterspouts.  "Like being in a cathedral".
 
2013-05-20 05:53:31 AM
Great Porn Dragon: ds_4815: Oddly enough, the old Fujita (F-scale) actually did go all the way to F12, equivalent to Mach 1. F5 was simply the naturally-assumed extreme end of the spectrum since nothing that would be considered F6 and above had ever been observed.

Yup--it was generally considered anything so extreme as to cause F6-level damage couldn't be determined just because F5 damage was that extreme.

To my knowledge, there is really only one tornado I've seen reports on that storm researchers even ha-ha-only-serious have stated "If there were an F6 tornado, these would qualify"--the Jarrell, TX tornado of 1997--and that was due to some pretty extreme reports of damage even for an F5 (cattle dismembered and even reports of cattle being eviscerated by winds, dogs actually skinned by the storm, reports of people being blown from the few basements in houses in that area and of house foundations being partially destroyed, actual full-on soil and sod removal to a depth of 18 inches, even cars being caught being so utterly destroyed that they were completely macerated and ground to small unrecognisable bits and in fact twelve vehicles were never found, such severe destruction of human remains that rescuers initially could not tell the difference between the remains of dead humans and dead animals, and so on).

DANG.  No offense, but I believe I'll stay on the East Coast, take my chances with the blizzards and hurricanes.

You can usually see those coming...

/guess it's what you're used to, but still...I prefer my weather not to be able to flense me at will...