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2013-05-19 07:18:56 PM  
11 votes:

bigpeeler: gilgigamesh:

At the same time, you have to acknowledge how and why that cycle started.

Okay, I give up. How did that cycle start?


When they foolishly gave up that free food and shelter in the 1860s.
2013-05-19 07:01:15 PM  
5 votes:

BunkyBrewman: ...and the 'Cos didn't miss a beat. His message has always remained the same regardless of a few distractors.



"Eat Jell-O Pudding Pops"?
2013-05-19 09:14:54 PM  
4 votes:

This thread is just a few posts from critical mass

i am become

i47.tinypic.com

2013-05-19 08:59:47 PM  
4 votes:

WaffleStomper: Economy.  NOT MY FAULT!
Libya.  NOT MY FAULT!
IRS.  NOT MY FAULT!
AP phone records. NOT MY FAULT!

BLACK MEN, TAKE RESPONSIBILITY!

*rolls eyes*


I don't think anyone in here has blamed you for any of that stuff, dude.
2013-05-19 09:21:22 PM  
3 votes:
I'd have liked to see George W Bush say something like this at a college commencement:  "There's no longer any room for excuses for white men.  It's true that the bitter legacies of the defeat of the Confederacy and of affirmative action still exist, but we're living in a competitive world, and nobody's going to give you anything you didn't earn.  Don't wallow in self pity and blame others when something goes wrong, set an example for others by being a better husband and father."
2013-05-19 09:07:47 PM  
3 votes:

Space Banana Physicist: PsiChick: Ha ha. Most of them will willingly refer to themselves as white trash and wear it as a badge of honor

All too true.

But I feel like I've heard that same phrase used in another context ...


White trash, please.

Huh.  Doesn't have the same ring to it.
2013-05-19 08:47:46 PM  
3 votes:

grahamsletter: Obama is not culturally Black, so he has no more credibility on this than any other random politician, but because he looks black, conservative leaners, both white and black, will eat it up every time.


Wait. Waitwaitwait.

The President of the United States/Seekrit Mooslem Fartbongoing Usurper only looks black.

But he's not culturally black.

In other words, he's ... acting white?

/kills self
2013-05-19 07:43:34 PM  
3 votes:

Princess Ryans Knickers: gilgigamesh: At the same time, you have to acknowledge how and why that cycle started.

That begins and ends with the current generation. You don't see me blaming people for one ancestor being an indentured servant and another, centuries ago, being a slave do you? No, because it has jack all to do with today. People need to grow up and take responsibility for themselves.


Right!  All obstacles completely disappeared after the slaves were freed!!

/this is what republitards actually believe.
2013-05-19 10:13:18 PM  
2 votes:

The Great EZE: Aye Carumba: There is as long as they're still called "African" Americans, the term is offensive, might as well say "Quasi" American. Not real American, you're really African. How about we go with Americanized Africans? Silly crap. You are black, you are white whatever you are American. Nobody talks of European Americans, or South American Americans. I call bullshiat. It's white, brown, yellow, red and black. All American.

You're clearly not from a city that has an Irish-/Puerto Rican-/Cuban-/Polish-/etc.-American Heritage Parade every week during the summer.


You are correct. In San Jose all we get is Cinco de Mayo, which celebrates the defeat of France by Mexico. Sort of a fark you America celebration with lots of looting and burning. Weird how this shiat bothers me at all, but it came up in court once, I said "your honor that's when I was surrounded and beaten by 7 Mexicans" to which the defense argued I was a racist because they could have been from Peru or some crap. I should have said "short brown people, maybe Americans who prefer to be considered a foreign nationality in a captured land, with bad moustaches".
2013-05-19 09:04:16 PM  
2 votes:

Infernalist: sendtodave: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color oftheir skin, but by the content of their character."

Has this come to pass?

Trayvon Martin thinks not.


Fair point.  But, people in hoodies are pretty scary.

ts4.mm.bing.net
2013-05-19 08:58:46 PM  
2 votes:
Economy.  NOT MY FAULT!
Libya.  NOT MY FAULT!
IRS.  NOT MY FAULT!
AP phone records. NOT MY FAULT!

BLACK MEN, TAKE RESPONSIBILITY!

*rolls eyes*
2013-05-19 07:15:18 PM  
2 votes:
So where is GOP outrage? I'm sure there will be some.
2013-05-20 08:33:05 AM  
1 vote:
This excuses all those years of me being racist and calling black people lazy and dumb.


Right?
2013-05-20 08:17:27 AM  
1 vote:
Good: Saying "good speech, Obama. I agree."

Bad: Using this to justify your own racism openly in a public forum.
2013-05-20 05:33:32 AM  
1 vote:

sendtodave: As Yes please noted, not every company is Apple or the Goog.  But, if you use google as the measure, (and I didn't really fark up the math, which is very possible), it's interesting.

20K a year per poor person spent by the government, instead used to buy google stock, and give the poor person $40K instead of 20K...


cost per year20000living "wage"40000per shareshares boughttotal sharesprofit for yearminus "wages"IPO100200200.00-$20,000-$60,0002005200100300.00$60,000$20,00020 0645044.44444444344.44$155,000$115,000200750040384.44$192,222$152,2222 00870028.57142857413.02$289,111$249,111200935057.14285714470.16$164,55 6$124,556201060033.33333333503.49$302,095$262,095201160033.33333333536 .83$322,095$282,095201265030.76923077567.59$368,937$328,937201390022.2 2222222589.82$530,835$490,835Total$1,964,851
The government makes $2 mil, and has $40k per year to give as a "basic wage" left over.


Well, that didn't format very well.
2013-05-20 04:46:39 AM  
1 vote:

Yes please: sendtodave: sendtodave: google

Call it $100 per share at IPO.  Worth $900 now.

Cato says that we spend $20K per year per poor person on "fighting poverty."  No idea how accurate that is, but $20K is a nice number.

No withdrawals?  About $180K in eight years.

We love capitalism!  Our government should invest for us.  All of us.

While yours is an interesting idea, it's so deeply flawed on so many levels that it's almost comical.  Give someone in poverty $500 in stock, and they'll turn right around and sell it to whoever is willing to buy it.  Just steal the money from the rich and eliminate brokerage fees.  I suppose you could impose a one year no-sell clause, and in that time they'd either starve to death or need additional subsidy.  But who are you to tell them what they can or can't do with "their" money?  I think we've heard that one before.  And even if you could work around those issues, there's still the problem that most stocks don't do what Apple does, so the vast majority of people's $500 at the start of the year will turn into $505 or less at the end.  Probably less, if smart investors realize there are millions of otherwise poor people holding stock they'll be willing to sell for the price of a warm meal.


Once again, the sandwich-heavy portfolio pays off for the hungry investor.
2013-05-20 04:40:55 AM  
1 vote:
"So yes, go get that law degree. But if you do, ask yourself if the only option is to defend the rich and powerful, like I do"

FTFY, Mr President.
2013-05-20 04:27:53 AM  
1 vote:

robohobo: Couple that with the birth rate of blacks being almost twice as high as whites, and hispanics a bit higher,

 Regular people
2013-05-19 10:59:03 PM  
1 vote:
25.media.tumblr.com

It's kind of like telling the Titanic to stop making excuses and float.
2013-05-19 10:32:06 PM  
1 vote:

The_Sponge: BunkyBrewman: ...and the 'Cos didn't miss a beat. His message has always remained the same regardless of a few distractors.

"Eat Jell-O Pudding Pops"?


Hippin' and a hoppin' and a bippin' and a boppin'. Blizm blozm Kodak.
2013-05-19 10:17:36 PM  
1 vote:

Infernalist: Even people with good degrees find it hard to find success these days.  So, the old cultural fairy tale of 'work hard and succeed' needs to die.  It takes a lot more learning than working hard and we have to start emphasizing that in our culture.


"I'm a great believer in luck, and I find the harder I work the more I have of it."
2013-05-19 10:01:33 PM  
1 vote:

Aye Carumba: There is as long as they're still called "African" Americans, the term is offensive, might as well say "Quasi" American. Not real American, you're really African. How about we go with Americanized Africans? Silly crap. You are black, you are white whatever you are American. Nobody talks of European Americans, or South American Americans. I call bullshiat. It's white, brown, yellow, red and black. All American.


Goddamn right!  There's only two groups in my book: us and them.
2013-05-19 09:59:08 PM  
1 vote:
This thread sure brought em out. Trolls and racists and bigots, oh my!
2013-05-19 09:35:27 PM  
1 vote:

WaffleStomper: Economy.  NOT MY FAULT!
Libya.  NOT MY FAULT!
IRS.  NOT MY FAULT!
AP phone records. NOT MY FAULT!

BLACK MEN, TAKE RESPONSIBILITY!

*rolls eyes*


I love when trolls show themselves like a toddler crying for attention, each post a larger scream than the last.
2013-05-19 09:34:12 PM  
1 vote:

dustbunnyboo: Infernalist: Gulper Eel: Dusk-You-n-Me: That clip was inspiring.

He's good at that. The actions the president has taken after giving fine speeches are generally less than inspiring.

Just out of curiosity, what actions do you think he should take to reinforce his speech?

End welfare.

Seriously.

The plural of anecdote isn't data, but I have personally seen welfare wreck the lives and aspirations of people. If it isn't welfare, it's being on disability, which has exploded since welfare reform.

And thankfully, anecdotes aren't really needed, since welfare reform acknowledged these very things - that generational welfare was deeply harmful. It strips generations of people of all sense of responsibility and robs them of their desire to achieve.

There has to be a safety net, and we can't let people starve, but as long as generational welfare exists (and it does, one way or the other, despite Clinton-era reforms), we will have deeply entrenched poverty, crime, and hopelessness. Maybe we need to go to a work-fare model, or a new CCC or something like that. Not sure.

Entangling people in the welfare system and making them permanently dependent on the government is just terrible. Terrible for the individual, for the family, for society, and for the economy.

Unfit for Work The startling rise of disability in America (NPR)


If you end welfare, people starve.

Did you consider the ramifications of telling a goodly sized percentage of the population that they're not going to get food stamps anymore?

What do you think happens when those families suddenly stare down the barrel of starvation?  Do you think they're going to magically somehow do something different and, lo, find employment that wasn't there the first 50 times that they looked?

Have you considered what desperate parents will do to feed their children?  What they will do to complete strangers to feed their children?

Do you know the term 'food riot'?  I'll give you a hint, it doesn't involve throwing food at each in a cafeteria.

End Welfare.  Jesus Christ, I hope and pray you're just trolling, because no one has the right to be that...naive.
2013-05-19 09:24:26 PM  
1 vote:

tenpoundsofcheese: Summercat: tenpoundsofcheese: TuteTibiImperes: Here's a better article with actual coverage instead of just a video link:   Obama Morehouse Speech

I don't see anything controversial about his remarks.  He's correct that with an increasingly globalized economy there is always going to be someone out there who had it worse than you growing up, and who overcame it.  The message to stop making excuses and start making progress is a good one, and it also fits well with his urging to give back to your own communities to help raise them up.

That was really an excellent speech with a great message.

Hopefully it gets a lot of positive coverage.

I've read this about six or seven times.

And I can't see what the hell tpoc is getting at. I mean, there's got to me some snark there, there seriously has got to be something. I mean, goddamnit, it's TPOC! THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING

There was a Garfield comic years ago where Jon was explaining how there's cat hairs in everything, even his food, and he was demonstrating, but couldn't find it, and totally disassembled his meal to find it... last panel is Garfield going "Oh, whoops, forgot to put one in."

I FEEL THAT RIGHT NOW

Sorry. No snark and no cat hair

Just because i disagree with many of his policies, I completely agree with this

Not only that, but he deserves a lot of credit for being so vocal and straight forward about it

Btw as I mentioned before
He is a great dad and husband
I admire that he believes so much in public service and spent so much of his life on that
I think he is the best campaigner we have ever seen
There is more.


My head assplode.
2013-05-19 09:23:26 PM  
1 vote:

tirob: I'd have liked to see George W Bush say something like this at a college commencement:  "There's no longer any room for excuses for white men.  It's true that the bitter legacies of the defeat of the Confederacy and of affirmative action still exist, but we're living in a competitive world, and nobody's going to give you anything you didn't earn.  Don't wallow in self pity and blame others when something goes wrong, set an example for others by being a better husband and father."


continuing: "put the golf clubs down, delete your pinterest and facebook accounts, stop gaming, do not consider an ar-15 to be a real gun..."
2013-05-19 09:05:00 PM  
1 vote:
'Stop making excuses and start making progress' is a good thing to tell any group.

Hey, here's a thought. Someone should send a guy with a bullhorn over to Congress with that message.

Wonder if Mo Rocca is busy.
2013-05-19 08:52:58 PM  
1 vote:

jaylectricity: You're all missing the point. He's telling this to black men who are already in school to better their lives. This would hit harder if he were standing in the ghetto talking like this.


I don't think it would hit harder.  I think it would fall flat.

"You can go out there and succeed, regardless of your race, college educated people!"  "Yes we can!"

"You can go out there and succeed, regardless of your race, inner city poor people!"  "Fark you!"
2013-05-19 08:49:00 PM  
1 vote:

tenpoundsofcheese: TuteTibiImperes: Here's a better article with actual coverage instead of just a video link:   Obama Morehouse Speech

I don't see anything controversial about his remarks.  He's correct that with an increasingly globalized economy there is always going to be someone out there who had it worse than you growing up, and who overcame it.  The message to stop making excuses and start making progress is a good one, and it also fits well with his urging to give back to your own communities to help raise them up.

That was really an excellent speech with a great message.

Hopefully it gets a lot of positive coverage.


I've read this about six or seven times.

And I can't see what the hell tpoc is getting at. I mean, there's got to me some snark there, there seriously has got to be something. I mean, goddamnit, it's TPOC! THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING

There was a Garfield comic years ago where Jon was explaining how there's cat hairs in everything, even his food, and he was demonstrating, but couldn't find it, and totally disassembled his meal to find it... last panel is Garfield going "Oh, whoops, forgot to put one in."

I FEEL THAT RIGHT NOW
2013-05-19 08:45:27 PM  
1 vote:

TuteTibiImperes: bigpeeler: gilgigamesh:

At the same time, you have to acknowledge how and why that cycle started.

Okay, I give up. How did that cycle start?

The years of slavery followed by legal segregation and discrimination didn't help.  Institutionalized discrimination and segregation has done a lot to create black populations in many areas that have a history of poverty, and with the poverty has come a de-emphasis on education, and a de-stigmatization of criminal activity within those communities.  Repeat that process over a few generations while marginalizing the population and you have a culture that has developed which celebrates behaviors that are harmful to society (drug use, gang membership, lack of parental responsibility, violence, etc).  As Kimothy mentions above it's become almost a badge of honor amongst those who grow up in that culture to perpetuate it - if someone tries to get out of it, they're ridiculed and targeted, the mob doesn't want to admit they could pull themselves up so they do anything they can to pull anyone who tries to escape back down.

Now, I have no clue how to actually fix it, and at the end of the day those who perpetuate it really just need to step back and change their views, but obviously speaking from outside that culture, it's a lot easier for me to say it than for those living in it to do it.


This is pretty much spot on.

Though throw in all that; with a little dibble of social engineering, and a dabble of social welfare programs...and voila!  Also add the fact that the benefits of a positive male influence have been HEAVILY de-emphasized in Black culture; it's all just adds up to a complete mess.

The fact that I'm Black, 28, with a stable full-time job (that pays excellent benefits), a college education, a pilot's license, and no kids...Something like that really shouldn't be seen as an the exception to the rule.

/I'm a hit with the recently divorced women, however...
//I avoid recently divorced women like the goddamned black plague
2013-05-19 08:43:33 PM  
1 vote:

Smackledorfer: Lionel Mandrake: Dancin_In_Anson: http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/williamns050813.php3

...so vote white Republican.  Nice.

Has DIA every made a non-thread-shiatting entry into a thread?


I think so but it was a case of "wrong alt"
2013-05-19 08:33:30 PM  
1 vote:
Whoops, I meant to say "Mormon." No idea how that happened.
2013-05-19 08:21:41 PM  
1 vote:

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: Pre-Election:"If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon"

Post-Election: Obama tells African-Americans that there's no more room for excuses for their own failings

I wonder whats up with that?  It's almost like he was exploiting black people to get elected.  He must have taken that one out of the "Chris Christie lowers US flag to half-staff over dead crackhead(W.Huston) to get black poll numbers up.)  Maybe thats the sweet nothings they were whispering to each other on the runway after Hurrican Sandy.


So, you think he was waiting until after the election to say something about them not needing excuses anymore?

That if he'd said it BEFORE the election, they would have..what?  Voted for Romney?  lol
2013-05-19 08:21:18 PM  
1 vote:

Summercat: So, showing a line of cultural development that was originated in the 1700s plantation slave culture of the Deep South and Tidewater, along with continuous impact of development from the immediate antebellum impact upon said developed culture, and the additional 100 years or so of institutionalized discrimination against members of said culture (as well as those trying to break out of said culture by being called Uppity), leading up to the present day...


That stuff's complicated.  It's easier to say "it's your own damn fault" and go back to the nice job you got with your college education provided by the college-educated parents who raised you in a safe suburban neighborhood and didn't do drugs and signed you up for kindergarten and little league and took you to the doctor.  After all, if you can make it, why can't some kid from a broken home in a violent slum raised by an abusive drug addict who spends more time in jail than at home?

In America, we all have equal opportunity!
2013-05-19 08:12:33 PM  
1 vote:
The halfrican Muslim Uncle Tombama went full Huxtable and pissed off his flock of black sheep now.

Both sides are racist, vote Republican.
2013-05-19 08:08:31 PM  
1 vote:

Gulper Eel: And a 'hero' tag for making the same point Daniel Patrick Moynihan made 48 years ago?

4/10 because even now the needlessly messianic angle will get plenty of nibbles.


I think Obama resonates a bit more with the target audience.  And furthermore, should we stop talking about freedom, and democracy, and the rights as well as the responsibilities of the members of our society because someone spoke of it 50 years ago?  You'll be out of material quite fast if you are going with  "Simpsons Did It!" as the standard.
2013-05-19 07:52:18 PM  
1 vote:
Well, it does take a nation of millions to hold us back.

/chuck-d said it with better tempo
2013-05-19 07:51:04 PM  
1 vote:

Princess Ryans Knickers: gilgigamesh: At the same time, you have to acknowledge how and why that cycle started.

That begins and ends with the current generation. You don't see me blaming people for one ancestor being an indentured servant and another, centuries ago, being a slave do you? No, because it has jack all to do with today. People need to grow up and take responsibility for themselves.


So, showing a line of cultural development that was originated in the 1700s plantation slave culture of the Deep South and Tidewater, along with continuous impact of development from the immediate antebellum impact upon said developed culture, and the additional 100 years or so of institutionalized discrimination against members of said culture (as well as those trying to break out of said culture by being called Uppity), leading up to the present day...

Means absolutely nothing. Culture and historical background means nothing, there is no such thing as context, and Mitt Romney wasn't born with a golden spoon in his mouth on third base.

Got it.

/You sir, are a fsking moron.
2013-05-19 04:11:34 PM  
1 vote:
Here's a better article with actual coverage instead of just a video link:   Obama Morehouse Speech

I don't see anything controversial about his remarks.  He's correct that with an increasingly globalized economy there is always going to be someone out there who had it worse than you growing up, and who overcame it.  The message to stop making excuses and start making progress is a good one, and it also fits well with his urging to give back to your own communities to help raise them up.
2013-05-19 03:53:55 PM  
1 vote:
This thread will be fun if it takes off.
 
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