bigpeeler: gilgigamesh:At the same time, you have to acknowledge how and why that cycle started.Okay, I give up. How did that cycle start?
BunkyBrewman: ...and the 'Cos didn't miss a beat. His message has always remained the same regardless of a few distractors.
This thread is just a few posts from critical massi am become
WaffleStomper: Economy. NOT MY FAULT!Libya. NOT MY FAULT!IRS. NOT MY FAULT!AP phone records. NOT MY FAULT!BLACK MEN, TAKE RESPONSIBILITY!*rolls eyes*
Space Banana Physicist: PsiChick: Ha ha. Most of them will willingly refer to themselves as white trash and wear it as a badge of honorAll too true.But I feel like I've heard that same phrase used in another context ...
grahamsletter: Obama is not culturally Black, so he has no more credibility on this than any other random politician, but because he looks black, conservative leaners, both white and black, will eat it up every time.
Princess Ryans Knickers: gilgigamesh: At the same time, you have to acknowledge how and why that cycle started.That begins and ends with the current generation. You don't see me blaming people for one ancestor being an indentured servant and another, centuries ago, being a slave do you? No, because it has jack all to do with today. People need to grow up and take responsibility for themselves.
The Great EZE: Aye Carumba: There is as long as they're still called "African" Americans, the term is offensive, might as well say "Quasi" American. Not real American, you're really African. How about we go with Americanized Africans? Silly crap. You are black, you are white whatever you are American. Nobody talks of European Americans, or South American Americans. I call bullshiat. It's white, brown, yellow, red and black. All American.You're clearly not from a city that has an Irish-/Puerto Rican-/Cuban-/Polish-/etc.-American Heritage Parade every week during the summer.
Infernalist: sendtodave: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color oftheir skin, but by the content of their character."Has this come to pass?Trayvon Martin thinks not.
sendtodave: As Yes please noted, not every company is Apple or the Goog. But, if you use google as the measure, (and I didn't really fark up the math, which is very possible), it's interesting.20K a year per poor person spent by the government, instead used to buy google stock, and give the poor person $40K instead of 20K...cost per year20000living "wage"40000per shareshares boughttotal sharesprofit for yearminus "wages"IPO100200200.00-$20,000-$60,0002005200100300.00$60,000$20,00020 0645044.44444444344.44$155,000$115,000200750040384.44$192,222$152,2222 00870028.57142857413.02$289,111$249,111200935057.14285714470.16$164,55 6$124,556201060033.33333333503.49$302,095$262,095201160033.33333333536 .83$322,095$282,095201265030.76923077567.59$368,937$328,937201390022.2 2222222589.82$530,835$490,835Total$1,964,851The government makes $2 mil, and has $40k per year to give as a "basic wage" left over.
Yes please: sendtodave: sendtodave: googleCall it $100 per share at IPO. Worth $900 now.Cato says that we spend $20K per year per poor person on "fighting poverty." No idea how accurate that is, but $20K is a nice number.No withdrawals? About $180K in eight years.We love capitalism! Our government should invest for us. All of us.While yours is an interesting idea, it's so deeply flawed on so many levels that it's almost comical. Give someone in poverty $500 in stock, and they'll turn right around and sell it to whoever is willing to buy it. Just steal the money from the rich and eliminate brokerage fees. I suppose you could impose a one year no-sell clause, and in that time they'd either starve to death or need additional subsidy. But who are you to tell them what they can or can't do with "their" money? I think we've heard that one before. And even if you could work around those issues, there's still the problem that most stocks don't do what Apple does, so the vast majority of people's $500 at the start of the year will turn into $505 or less at the end. Probably less, if smart investors realize there are millions of otherwise poor people holding stock they'll be willing to sell for the price of a warm meal.
robohobo: Couple that with the birth rate of blacks being almost twice as high as whites, and hispanics a bit higher,
The_Sponge: BunkyBrewman: ...and the 'Cos didn't miss a beat. His message has always remained the same regardless of a few distractors."Eat Jell-O Pudding Pops"?
Infernalist: Even people with good degrees find it hard to find success these days. So, the old cultural fairy tale of 'work hard and succeed' needs to die. It takes a lot more learning than working hard and we have to start emphasizing that in our culture.
Aye Carumba: There is as long as they're still called "African" Americans, the term is offensive, might as well say "Quasi" American. Not real American, you're really African. How about we go with Americanized Africans? Silly crap. You are black, you are white whatever you are American. Nobody talks of European Americans, or South American Americans. I call bullshiat. It's white, brown, yellow, red and black. All American.
dustbunnyboo: Infernalist: Gulper Eel: Dusk-You-n-Me: That clip was inspiring.He's good at that. The actions the president has taken after giving fine speeches are generally less than inspiring.Just out of curiosity, what actions do you think he should take to reinforce his speech?End welfare.Seriously.The plural of anecdote isn't data, but I have personally seen welfare wreck the lives and aspirations of people. If it isn't welfare, it's being on disability, which has exploded since welfare reform.And thankfully, anecdotes aren't really needed, since welfare reform acknowledged these very things - that generational welfare was deeply harmful. It strips generations of people of all sense of responsibility and robs them of their desire to achieve.There has to be a safety net, and we can't let people starve, but as long as generational welfare exists (and it does, one way or the other, despite Clinton-era reforms), we will have deeply entrenched poverty, crime, and hopelessness. Maybe we need to go to a work-fare model, or a new CCC or something like that. Not sure.Entangling people in the welfare system and making them permanently dependent on the government is just terrible. Terrible for the individual, for the family, for society, and for the economy.Unfit for Work The startling rise of disability in America (NPR)
tenpoundsofcheese: Summercat: tenpoundsofcheese: TuteTibiImperes: Here's a better article with actual coverage instead of just a video link: Obama Morehouse SpeechI don't see anything controversial about his remarks. He's correct that with an increasingly globalized economy there is always going to be someone out there who had it worse than you growing up, and who overcame it. The message to stop making excuses and start making progress is a good one, and it also fits well with his urging to give back to your own communities to help raise them up.That was really an excellent speech with a great message.Hopefully it gets a lot of positive coverage.I've read this about six or seven times.And I can't see what the hell tpoc is getting at. I mean, there's got to me some snark there, there seriously has got to be something. I mean, goddamnit, it's TPOC! THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHINGThere was a Garfield comic years ago where Jon was explaining how there's cat hairs in everything, even his food, and he was demonstrating, but couldn't find it, and totally disassembled his meal to find it... last panel is Garfield going "Oh, whoops, forgot to put one in."I FEEL THAT RIGHT NOWSorry. No snark and no cat hairJust because i disagree with many of his policies, I completely agree with thisNot only that, but he deserves a lot of credit for being so vocal and straight forward about itBtw as I mentioned beforeHe is a great dad and husbandI admire that he believes so much in public service and spent so much of his life on thatI think he is the best campaigner we have ever seenThere is more.
tirob: I'd have liked to see George W Bush say something like this at a college commencement: "There's no longer any room for excuses for white men. It's true that the bitter legacies of the defeat of the Confederacy and of affirmative action still exist, but we're living in a competitive world, and nobody's going to give you anything you didn't earn. Don't wallow in self pity and blame others when something goes wrong, set an example for others by being a better husband and father."
jaylectricity: You're all missing the point. He's telling this to black men who are already in school to better their lives. This would hit harder if he were standing in the ghetto talking like this.
tenpoundsofcheese: TuteTibiImperes: Here's a better article with actual coverage instead of just a video link: Obama Morehouse SpeechI don't see anything controversial about his remarks. He's correct that with an increasingly globalized economy there is always going to be someone out there who had it worse than you growing up, and who overcame it. The message to stop making excuses and start making progress is a good one, and it also fits well with his urging to give back to your own communities to help raise them up.That was really an excellent speech with a great message.Hopefully it gets a lot of positive coverage.
TuteTibiImperes: bigpeeler: gilgigamesh:At the same time, you have to acknowledge how and why that cycle started.Okay, I give up. How did that cycle start?The years of slavery followed by legal segregation and discrimination didn't help. Institutionalized discrimination and segregation has done a lot to create black populations in many areas that have a history of poverty, and with the poverty has come a de-emphasis on education, and a de-stigmatization of criminal activity within those communities. Repeat that process over a few generations while marginalizing the population and you have a culture that has developed which celebrates behaviors that are harmful to society (drug use, gang membership, lack of parental responsibility, violence, etc). As Kimothy mentions above it's become almost a badge of honor amongst those who grow up in that culture to perpetuate it - if someone tries to get out of it, they're ridiculed and targeted, the mob doesn't want to admit they could pull themselves up so they do anything they can to pull anyone who tries to escape back down.Now, I have no clue how to actually fix it, and at the end of the day those who perpetuate it really just need to step back and change their views, but obviously speaking from outside that culture, it's a lot easier for me to say it than for those living in it to do it.
Smackledorfer: Lionel Mandrake: Dancin_In_Anson: http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/williamns050813.php3...so vote white Republican. Nice.Has DIA every made a non-thread-shiatting entry into a thread?
Elvis Presleys Death Throne: Pre-Election:"If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon"Post-Election: Obama tells African-Americans that there's no more room for excuses for their own failingsI wonder whats up with that? It's almost like he was exploiting black people to get elected. He must have taken that one out of the "Chris Christie lowers US flag to half-staff over dead crackhead(W.Huston) to get black poll numbers up.) Maybe thats the sweet nothings they were whispering to each other on the runway after Hurrican Sandy.
Summercat: So, showing a line of cultural development that was originated in the 1700s plantation slave culture of the Deep South and Tidewater, along with continuous impact of development from the immediate antebellum impact upon said developed culture, and the additional 100 years or so of institutionalized discrimination against members of said culture (as well as those trying to break out of said culture by being called Uppity), leading up to the present day...
Gulper Eel: And a 'hero' tag for making the same point Daniel Patrick Moynihan made 48 years ago?4/10 because even now the needlessly messianic angle will get plenty of nibbles.
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