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(Stabley Times)   Congress finally agrees on something: Google Glass creeps them out   (stableytimes.com) divider line 96
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2013-05-19 09:28:39 PM

Mock26: ZeroCorpse: When I see dorks walking around in public wearing Google Glass, I'm going to run up to them and say "OK Glass, Google 'lemon party'." or  "OK Glass, send message to 'office': 'I hate this job and plan to fart in your lunch.'"

Or whatever it takes to make it clear that having that  thing  on your head, pointed at me, is going to be a bad idea.

Grow up and deal with it or hide out in your house for the rest of your life.  You have no expectation of privacy when out in public, and if I see you in public I can point any recording device in the world at you.


AND IF I SEE YOU POINT IT AT ME, I CAN AVOID YOU.

That's my goddamned point!
 
2013-05-19 09:32:28 PM

ZeroCorpse: Mock26: ZeroCorpse: When I see dorks walking around in public wearing Google Glass, I'm going to run up to them and say "OK Glass, Google 'lemon party'." or  "OK Glass, send message to 'office': 'I hate this job and plan to fart in your lunch.'"

Or whatever it takes to make it clear that having that  thing  on your head, pointed at me, is going to be a bad idea.

Grow up and deal with it or hide out in your house for the rest of your life.  You have no expectation of privacy when out in public, and if I see you in public I can point any recording device in the world at you.

AND IF I SEE YOU POINT IT AT ME, I CAN AVOID YOU.

That's my goddamned point!


So you walking away is what you meant by it being a "bad idea"?  Sure that is what you meant.
 
2013-05-19 09:32:29 PM

ParanoidAgnostic: What is with the violent hatred people have for Google Glass? Is it just because Apple didn't 'invent' it?

A wearable computer with a heads-up-display is an amazingly cool concept and I can't wait to own one (Either Glass or a, hopefully, less ugly design). The internet is one of the best things humanity ever did and enabling a constant connection with it is inevitable and awesome.


That would be a "no" for me. I work for one of Apple's competitors, and we have a very good relationship with Android.

This is about my ability to know when someone is uploading my image to the Internet and Google's databases. I have a right to avoid such things, and with GG my ability to avoid it becomes harder-- Almost impossible, if it catches on and everyone has one.

I love the Internet, and I'm in the consumer electronics business... I just don't see how anyone can NOT understand how much Google Glass will be widely abused to cause serious breaches of privacy.
 
2013-05-19 09:33:30 PM
Why not just wear a mask?
 
2013-05-19 09:34:23 PM

Mock26: ZeroCorpse: Mock26: ZeroCorpse: When I see dorks walking around in public wearing Google Glass, I'm going to run up to them and say "OK Glass, Google 'lemon party'." or  "OK Glass, send message to 'office': 'I hate this job and plan to fart in your lunch.'"

Or whatever it takes to make it clear that having that  thing  on your head, pointed at me, is going to be a bad idea.

Grow up and deal with it or hide out in your house for the rest of your life.  You have no expectation of privacy when out in public, and if I see you in public I can point any recording device in the world at you.

AND IF I SEE YOU POINT IT AT ME, I CAN AVOID YOU.

That's my goddamned point!

So you walking away is what you meant by it being a "bad idea"?  Sure that is what you meant.


The post with the obvious jokes (fart in your lunch) notwithstanding, I will, indeed make sure that people wearing Google Glass know that I do not want them to wear it if they want to interact with me.

And if they insist, I'll whip out my cell phone and point it at them the whole time we're talking. Maybe that will get the message across.
 
2013-05-19 09:39:37 PM

Shrugging Atlas: This is what I don't get either.

Camera phone:  No indicator light noting that it is recording.  The video quality these days is absurdly good, they can zoom, etc.  Essentially all the functionality of a camcorder; however, they're everywhere so nobody thinks twice about seeing one.  You could use one to record people all day long and they would be none the wiser.


You're telling me that if a guy were sitting across from you with his cell phone held up at the angle required for the lens to point at you for a sustained amount of time, you wouldn't think, "Hmm. Maybe he's recording me."???

When you use a cell phone in public to text or talk, you hold it very differently than when you record something. If you can't tell when people are recording you on their cell phone, I don't know what to say about that. It's... Weird.
 
2013-05-19 09:55:24 PM
All I read here is a bunch of whiners who think that they are so important that everyone in the world will be dying to spy on them.

You ants are not worth it.
 
2013-05-19 09:56:48 PM

ZeroCorpse: lewismarktwo: Well, this is similar to freaking out about printable guns when it is far simpler and cheaper to just buy a real gun on the black market.  MUCH better spy glasses and tech already exist and are far less obvious.  This is simply a non issue.

http://www.gadgetsandgear.com/spy-glasses-hidden-camera-eyeglasses.h tm l

1. The printed guns can go through metal detectors. That's the problem. Not the issue of being able to make a homemade gun.


Uhm, no they can't.  They have a metal firing pin.  Also, bullets are made of metal.

2. Spy glasses and other such equipment are not tied into your Google account, can't upload images or video instantly, can't Google search or Image search people while you're looking at them, and have limited storage as opposed to a device that can keep uploading to the cloud indefinitely. They also tend to have wires, bulky packs, or rely on a transmitter and a receiver somewhere. With the glasses you linked, you store locally on 8gb of flash storage, and then you have to get it to a computer to upload it. That takes time. With Google Glass, you record, and BOOM, moments later it can go right to the Internet where it will live forever.

There is no functional difference between 'omg instant cloud upload' and waiting a few minutes to upload.  The spy glasses would give no hint of there being any recording tho, so it's not like you could be hypervigilant and grab the recording and abscond with it or anything.

It's like the difference between:
A. Stabbing someone with a knife (normal cell phone or camera).
B. Shooting someone with a concealed one-shot pistol (the spy glasses).
C. Wearing a bomb under your jacket with a visible hand-trigger (Google Glass).

With A and B, there's prep time, reload time, and with A, the obviousness of it. People can avoid it, prevent the worst damage, and even stop you after you've used it.

With C, it might  be obvious you have it, but if you decide to use it nobody will have time to avoid it, and it will do way more damage that will be far more difficult to heal.


Uhm.... k.  *backs away slowly*
 
2013-05-19 09:59:55 PM

PapaChester: All I read here is a bunch of whiners who think that they are so important that everyone in the world will be dying to spy on them.

You ants are not worth it.


Google's profits suggest otherwise.
 
2013-05-19 10:11:39 PM

Dude O Matic 5000: Why not just wear a mask?


That's against the law in many, many jurisdictions.
 
2013-05-19 10:16:13 PM

Fano: Dude O Matic 5000: Why not just wear a mask?

That's against the law in many, many jurisdictions.



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2013-05-19 10:16:31 PM

lewismarktwo: Uhm, no they can't. They have a metal firing pin.


The firing pin is not of sufficient size* to be detected.

Also, bullets are made of metal.

For now.

* According to the DOJ, the "size, shape, electrical conductivity and magnetic properties" are the primary characteristics for detection. A tiny bit of metal may not satisfy the criteria needed for detection.
 
2013-05-19 10:21:28 PM

Mock26: Fano: Dude O Matic 5000: Why not just wear a mask?

That's against the law in many, many jurisdictions.

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I thought this was common knowledge, but OK: Link.
 
2013-05-19 10:31:11 PM

ArcadianRefugee: Mock26: Fano: Dude O Matic 5000: Why not just wear a mask?

That's against the law in many, many jurisdictions.

[citationneeded.jpg]

I thought this was common knowledge, but OK: Link.


Thanks for posting the citation.

Mock26, it was a good question, and a law that has a good intent: to prevent folks like the KKK or robbers. It isn't illegal everywhere, i know my dad used to run in a ski mask when it was cold. One day he walked into a bank after a jog and took a second to realize why everyone whipped around to see him when he walked in.

there are exemptions, but looking at the citation, most of the exemptions are for medical reasons or holidays.
 
2013-05-19 10:31:33 PM

ArcadianRefugee: Mock26: Fano: Dude O Matic 5000: Why not just wear a mask?

That's against the law in many, many jurisdictions.

[citationneeded.jpg]

I thought this was common knowledge, but OK: Link.


Many of those statutes only apply to specific situations, such as wearing a mask without permission private property or if the intent of the mask is to aid in the breaking of the law.  Yes, in some states it does apply to any mask, but not as many as you seem to think.
 
xcv
2013-05-19 10:32:03 PM

Fano: Dude O Matic 5000: Why not just wear a mask?

That's against the law in many, many jurisdictions.


Face paint with properties to escape facial recognition tech might become fashionable in the future with certain subcultures. People can legally wear burqas or the like anywhere in the US at least.

Old fashioned privacy doesn't have much time left with face recognition tech advances. Everybody's current location will become public knowledge. Either from being seen by another person wearing these iGlasses, walking past a networked CCTV camera, or captured on camera by some personal electronics laying around your house. It's an easy way to form a more accurate record of everywhere a person has been compared to just the cell phone tower records that law enforcement already uses.
 
2013-05-19 10:32:04 PM
Part of me wonders if all this Google Glasses nonsense is all a clever publicity stunt, but then I realize that people overreacting isn't that big of a stretch
 
2013-05-19 10:35:28 PM

Fano: ArcadianRefugee: Mock26: Fano: Dude O Matic 5000: Why not just wear a mask?

That's against the law in many, many jurisdictions.

[citationneeded.jpg]

I thought this was common knowledge, but OK: Link.

Thanks for posting the citation.

Mock26, it was a good question, and a law that has a good intent: to prevent folks like the KKK or robbers. It isn't illegal everywhere, i know my dad used to run in a ski mask when it was cold. One day he walked into a bank after a jog and took a second to realize why everyone whipped around to see him when he walked in.

there are exemptions, but looking at the citation, most of the exemptions are for medical reasons or holidays.


I would bet money that most of those laws would be declared unconstitutional if anyone challenged them.
 
2013-05-19 10:35:29 PM

ZeroCorpse: Comparing this to spy glasses or cell phones is not a fair comparison. Most people don't buy spy glasses, and to use cell phones as recording devices you have to be very obvious. If I see someone with a video camera or cell phone camera pointed at something,  I avoid it.With Google Glass they remove my ability to  know  whether or not I'm being recorded. THAT is my issue. You have a right to wear a recording device, but I have a right to know when I'm being recorded-- WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE ANY REASON TO RECORD ME. I don't think everyone will record me, but I want to know when they ARE recording, and GG makes that impossible.


Going out in public must be hard for you since you're being recorded ALL the time.
 
2013-05-19 10:38:39 PM

Fano: Dude O Matic 5000: Why not just wear a mask?

That's against the law in many, many jurisdictions.


Well, in that case, just wear a pair of glasses.

www.almightydad.com
 
2013-05-19 10:45:20 PM

ZeroCorpse: You're telling me that if a guy were sitting across from you with his cell phone held up at the angle required for the lens to point at you for a sustained amount of time, you wouldn't think, "Hmm. Maybe he's recording me."???

When you use a cell phone in public to text or talk, you hold it very differently than when you record something. If you can't tell when people are recording you on their cell phone, I don't know what to say about that. It's... Weird.


Oh you bet your ass it could be done easily enough.  Who the fark would sit there and actively hold up a phone for all to see if you're trying to conceal the fact you're recording with it?  Say we're sitting at separate tables in a restaurant.  I just set the phone down pointed right at your booth or table.  It's on a table with all the clutter that comes with a typical meal..drinks, dishes, condiments.  All the while I carry on chatting away with the person across from me fitting right in with the other 75 people enjoying their lunch.  You're farking high if you think you'd notice it among all that shiat unless you're actively, constantly, looking for something like that...and even then you'll be unlikely to believe what's happening should you actually see the thing.  What are you going to do?  Walk over and ask to see my phone?  Good luck with that.  Complain to the owners?  About what?  Call the cops?  What law is being broken?

You're being recorded all the time, all day long.  'Red light' cameras.  Surveillance in damn near every business establishment probably including the one in which you work these days.  Numerous people in my office building setup motion activated hidden cams in their offices or cubes to catch people snooping around.  ATM cameras.  Then you just have all the random people recording you on accident.  .  You're just pissed about the fact Google Glasses make you more aware of it, and remove the illusion of privacy you think you have.

Christ, if I'm going to try to actively spy on or record somebody, the very farking last thing I'm going to do is place the extremely conspicuous recording device  on my face which also requires me to stare directly at the person I'm spying on and remain still the entire time I'm doing so.  Yes sir, that's some high farking level espionage right there.
 
2013-05-19 10:48:29 PM

xcv: Face paint with properties to escape facial recognition tech might become fashionable in the future with certain subcultures.


cvdazzle.com
 
2013-05-19 10:50:34 PM
Soon just about everyone is going to be wired up and transmitting most of the time.
This is going to be very bad for personal privacy.
It is going to be very good for crime prevention.
Technology changes things, this is our future and I cannot think of a way to prevent it.

/My sister uploads and tags pictures of my family to Facebook all the time, and it annoys me.
/I still think people who wear Bluetooth earpieces look douchey.
 
2013-05-19 11:09:28 PM

ZeroCorpse: I just don't see how anyone can NOT understand how much Google Glass will be widely abused to cause serious breaches of privacy.


It's been long established that when you are out in public you have no expectation of privacy. If you are in a public place I can photograph or video you all I want.
Some dodgy cops disagree and try to bully citizens who record them abusing their authority but that doesn't change the fact that there is no privacy in public places.

Do you think that you aren't already recorded on a daily basis? Or do you feel safer because it's the government who is doing the recording, and they have proven themselves much more trustworthy than big evil scary corporations? What about all of the information your bank collects about you, every transaction that doesn't use cash.
 
2013-05-19 11:13:25 PM
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Welcome to the future
 
2013-05-19 11:20:42 PM

Without Fail: Soon just about everyone is going to be wired up and transmitting most of the time.
This is going to be very bad for personal privacy.
It is going to be very good for crime prevention.
Technology changes things, this is our future and I cannot think of a way to prevent it.


Yep. It'll also be very good for public accountability. It's getting tougher and tougher for the cops to get away with beating someone when they're suddenly on YouTube from five different angles.

And yes, personal privacy will take a hit... or rather, the false illusion of personal privacy: you can already be recorded on the street (and likely are, from CC cameras, police dashboard cameras, etc.); people can follow you as you do your shopping and see what stores you visit; etc. The fact that some people thing that their privacy will be negatively affected by Google Glass means only that they believe they currently have much more privacy than they do.

Furthermore, in some ways, this might actually  increase personal privacy: because people will start realizing that they have no privacy in their public conversations and dealings, they'll start moving things into private locations. No more "I'm having a private conversation (while sitting on a bench on a public sidewalk)," but rather the return of phone booths.
 
2013-05-19 11:25:27 PM

Theaetetus: And yes, personal privacy will take a hit... or rather, the false illusion of personal privacy: you can already be recorded on the street (and likely are, from CC cameras, police dashboard cameras, etc.); people can follow you as you do your shopping and see what stores you visit; etc. The fact that some people thing that their privacy will be negatively affected by Google Glass means only that they believe they currently have much more privacy than they do.


I can't believe I've found an issue I agree with Theaetetus on.

Can someone please check out side and let me know if they can see any cats and dogs living together?
 
2013-05-19 11:39:13 PM

ParanoidAgnostic: Theaetetus: And yes, personal privacy will take a hit... or rather, the false illusion of personal privacy: you can already be recorded on the street (and likely are, from CC cameras, police dashboard cameras, etc.); people can follow you as you do your shopping and see what stores you visit; etc. The fact that some people thing that their privacy will be negatively affected by Google Glass means only that they believe they currently have much more privacy than they do.

I can't believe I've found an issue I agree with Theaetetus on.

Can someone please check out side and let me know if they can see any cats and dogs living together?


No, just the mass hysteria.
 
2013-05-20 12:06:41 AM

wildcardjack: Remember how the Segway was going to be a disruptive technology and nothing would ever be the same again?


What do you mean? They just finished redesigning my city around it!

/saw one at the airport once...
 
2013-05-20 12:43:12 AM

Theaetetus: Without Fail: Soon just about everyone is going to be wired up and transmitting most of the time.
This is going to be very bad for personal privacy.
It is going to be very good for crime prevention.
Technology changes things, this is our future and I cannot think of a way to prevent it.

Yep. It'll also be very good for public accountability. It's getting tougher and tougher for the cops to get away with beating someone when they're suddenly on YouTube from five different angles.

And yes, personal privacy will take a hit... or rather, the false illusion of personal privacy: you can already be recorded on the street (and likely are, from CC cameras, police dashboard cameras, etc.); people can follow you as you do your shopping and see what stores you visit; etc. The fact that some people thing that their privacy will be negatively affected by Google Glass means only that they believe they currently have much more privacy than they do.

Furthermore, in some ways, this might actually  increase personal privacy: because people will start realizing that they have no privacy in their public conversations and dealings, they'll start moving things into private locations. No more "I'm having a private conversation (while sitting on a bench on a public sidewalk)," but rather the return of phone booths.


As 2nd amendment advocates say, "an armed society is a polite society." Let's use that concept to imagine a panopticon controlled not by the State, but by the People. While I have been a continuous and annoying dissenter on the subject of increasing government surveillance, I have less of a problem with citizens doing the same. For years, I've pitied a generation of children that grew up, much as children have always grown up, only to discover the sorts of things that used to be written off as "youthful indiscretion" that would go in your "permanent record" (really a file cabinet in a warehouse that's probably expunged every so often) to a society where everything you say and do matters forever, to anyone patient enough to search for the data. It's the future, and if it should be in the hands of anyone, it should be the People. Presumably, reality tv has trained us all to understand how fallible even the best of us can be at times.

My problem with "the illusion of public privacy" from a government standpoint is that it is the equivalent of having a cop following around everyone every day, with no compelling reason to do so other than to generate infractions. Having citizens doing the same would be a source of better testimony in the sorts of disagreements that get on Judge Judy. One is a tool of Oppression, another a tool of Justice.
 
2013-05-20 01:01:08 AM

ArcadianRefugee: Mock26: Fano: Dude O Matic 5000: Why not just wear a mask?

That's against the law in many, many jurisdictions.

[citationneeded.jpg]

I thought this was common knowledge, but OK: Link.


Missing from the table is the City of Seattle's mask ban.
 
2013-05-20 01:15:17 AM

95BV5: ArcadianRefugee: Mock26: Fano: Dude O Matic 5000: Why not just wear a mask?

That's against the law in many, many jurisdictions.

[citationneeded.jpg]

I thought this was common knowledge, but OK: Link.

Missing from the table is the City of Seattle's mask ban.


Also, the Keene Act of 1977
 
2013-05-20 01:57:25 AM

Mock26: BolloxReader: Current law requires all recordings being made have a visible indicator-- such as the red light on video cameras.


Yeah, that's bullshiat.
 
2013-05-20 02:21:53 AM

hamdinger: If that were an Apple product, they'd be rubbing one out to pictures of the thing, desperately praying that Saint Jobs would descend from iHeaven and give them a set.


That gets a meh, you might get some bites but yeah it just comes over as trying to hard. 

ZeroCorpse: Or whatever it takes to make it clear that having that  thing  on your head, pointed at me, is going to be a bad idea.


Look.  I explained this in at least two different Glass threads to you knuckle dragger's and I guess you still don't understand.   It has a microphone and a video camera.  It heard you, in your voice, tell it to do that.  It saw you telling it to do those things and it recorded both for posterity.

So now your boss has not only the message you told that person's Glass to send to everyone but a follow up which has the video and audio of you doing it and not the person wearing the thing.

Perhaps instead of attempting to be the internet tough guy (and failing quite miserably at it I might add) you should do what any other worker drone will do:  send a shiatty little e-mail to HR complaining about the persons gadget.  So at least that way they've written proof your a delusional paranoid.
 
2013-05-20 02:56:18 AM
Wouldn't a small flashing red LED fix everything? This is stupid-simple stuff.
 
2013-05-20 03:44:18 AM

goatleggedfellow: Vangor: Not seeing what the great big deal is about Google Glasses in terms of privacy. Everyone has a cell phone with a camera on, anymore, and those come out any moment something slightly different or social in nature begins. Not as though the glasses are clandestine spy devices, either, but rather obvious.

Facial recognition? Eh. Sorry, but being recognized is not something defended by privacy rights in public.

Not seeing what the big deal is?

You may have your own opinions, but "not seeing what the big deal is" is kinda bullshiatty.

For starters, to say there is little/no difference between camera phones and glass because the phone is ready at a moments notice? That's like comparing a holstered gun to a shoulder-mounted blaster (a la Predator) that's always at the ready.

I see a lot of places banning Google Glass. I plan to live in one of those places.

I also can't wait to throw a beer in the face of the first person I see wearing Glass in a bar.



You sound tough.
 
2013-05-20 06:00:50 AM
"I'm sorry Mr Dent but we cannot insure your operation, six years ago you were seen in the background of a glass user's new years toast recording, you were seen taking a drag from someone else's cigarette.  You put down that you are a non-smoker Mr Dent, you lied to us and therefore all of your payments into our insurance are invalid.  We are sorry Mr Dent, would you like to hear about our new special rates?"

Normal recording stuff wise this would be so far fetched it wouldn't even be plausible, however because its mixed with a company that's gotten very very rich off seeing information to other companies and its a company that's spent a lot of energy at muxing profiles together from multiple sources, and its a company that provides you with 'free' storage for your glass device but the caveat is they get a copy of everything that's ever put there.
 
2013-05-20 07:35:51 AM
i'm just waiting for the first car accident caused by one of these things, the lawsuits will be glorious
 
2013-05-20 07:55:55 AM

Vangor: Making some notable red light when recording (which I have no idea whether or not the glasses have) would be nice.


Some of the early reviewers said they had red lights, some of them said they didn't. I'd imagine the final version will likely have a light. Some hacker said he had figured out how to hack so it will record with the light off, they could probably fix that by hard-wiring the light to the recording mechanism.
 
2013-05-20 08:51:46 AM

SevenizGud: goatleggedfellow: I also can't wait to throw a beer in the face of the first person I see wearing Glass in a bar.

I can't wait to introduce the butt end of my shotgun to the upper teeth of the asshole who threw a beer in my face in an unprovoked act of criminal assault.


images.wikia.com
 
2013-05-20 10:46:16 AM

AdamK: i'm just waiting for the first car accident caused by one of these things, the lawsuits will be glorious


I don't see how it's any different to using your cell phone for browsing the net or texting while driving. Most places have distracted driving laws just for that.

Unless you propose to sue phone manufacturers if someone hits you while using their phone.
 
2013-05-20 11:20:19 AM

ZeroCorpse: ..., but I have a right to know when I'm being recorded-- WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE ANY REASON TO RECORD ME.


Funny, didn't see that codified anywhere.
 
2013-05-20 12:13:53 PM

ZeroCorpse: I have a right to know when I'm being recorded-- WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE ANY REASON TO RECORD ME.


Actually, NO YOU DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW WHEN YOU ARE BEING RECORDED.  Now, there are some legal protections that you do have (for example, if you are the primary object within a picture someone can not use your likeness without your permission for something like an advertisement), but you really have no right to privacy when you are out in PUBLIC.  So, if I am a photography buff and see you sitting on a bench I can take your picture all day long and I am under no obligation to come up to you and tell you so.
 
2013-05-20 12:31:24 PM
Congresscritters are terrified of having a 47% moment recorded.  It sealed Rmoney's fate.
 
2013-05-20 01:08:40 PM

lilbjorn: Congresscritters are terrified of having a 47% moment recorded.  It sealed Rmoney's fate.


GASP! People might have to assume they are being watched and start acting honestly! The horror!
 
2013-05-21 01:56:25 AM

SevenizGud: goatleggedfellow: I also can't wait to throw a beer in the face of the first person I see wearing Glass in a bar.

I can't wait to introduce the butt end of my shotgun to the upper teeth of the asshole who threw a beer in my face in an unprovoked act of criminal assault.


A shotgun in a bar will get you a complimentary stay in the Grey bar Hotel at least in most places.
 
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