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(Little Village Magazine)   Ever wondered what would happen to a young feminist who interjected herself into a private conversation between a bunch of male stand-up comics and tried to tell them what kind of jokes they should be allowed to tell? Ever seen "Grizzly Man?" (Not safe for work)   (littlevillagemag.com) divider line 387
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2013-05-19 02:36:55 PM  
Several of the men tried to, misguidedly, explain that simply responding to someone like this is only adding fuel to the fire; I was only "giving him what he wants."
It's a phenomenon in comedy that criticism can only give power to the wrongdoer. It is, in effect, telling a woman that pointing out injustice is against her best interests. It takes away her ability to participate as an equal. It assumes that the louder, violent voice is unquestionable, and that women and minority groups are powerless to change behaviors that affect them When these bystander comedians told me that my silence is best, they signaled to the original offender that his comments were free from consequence. And they signaled to me that, as a woman who is tired of hearing sexism in comedy instead of original, creative humor, I am not welcome in the comedy world. That comedy is exclusive to those who think alike, and there is no room for dissenting voices. This isn't comedy either.


Lots of people say "Don't feed the trolls" and this is normally good advice.  The problem is you let someone get away with jackassery when you do this.  There is often a disconnect between what is right and what is pragmatic.

And we've all seen ugly pile-ons on Fark just as we have other places
 
2013-05-19 02:52:31 PM  
Biatch complains too much. Sent her to the kitchen to make a sammich and all she did was biatch biatch biatch.
 
2013-05-19 03:12:22 PM  
"I pose a conundrum to you, a riddle if you will. What's the difference between you and a mallard with a cold. One's a sick duck... I can't remember how it ends, but you're a whore.  "
 
2013-05-19 03:21:36 PM  
I think she's definitely got a point, but seeing as she is allegedly a comedienne, wouldn't she have served it better by giving back better than what she got, as opposed to lecturing like a sanctimonious school marm?
 
2013-05-19 03:29:41 PM  

gilgigamesh: I think she's definitely got a point, but seeing as she is allegedly a comedienne, wouldn't she have served it better by giving back better than what she got, as opposed to lecturing like a sanctimonious school marm?



FTA: "...This is not an example of a garden variety internet troll, whose provocations are reliably exercised and best ignored because of their obvious attempt at lowest common denominator instigation...."

Poe's Law has made it difficult for me to discern, who is more trollish? The troll, or the countertroll that follows him? It is a valid point, but delivered in straw feminist fashion. Perhaps she should have returned fire with "if I wanted a comeback from you, I'da snatched it off yo daddy's chin." That would put those misogynist homophobes in their place.
 
2013-05-19 03:58:53 PM  
Oh for Pete's sake.
 
2013-05-19 03:59:53 PM  
I'm a big fan of "no sacred cows" humor. If we can't laugh about some things, then those things become more powerful than they should be. There are people who do take things way too seriously.

For example:

An ex-girlfriend of mine got mortally offended at any joke that could possibly (or even impossibly) perceived as sexist. When Bender said "we're boned" on Futurama? That was sexist, because women are "boned" during heterosexual sex and therefore the show was implying that being a woman is bad. I'm not making this up.

So people like that exist.

All that being said, reading the Facebook comments posted in the article: there's a humongous difference between "no sacred cows" humor and being an absolute dick for no reason, or - worse, in my opinion - thinking that all it takes to make a joke like that is just to say something offensive. Humor requires subtlety and wit. Just saying something offensive on its own isn't funny.
 
2013-05-19 04:08:20 PM  
I think that she should take Sarah Silverman's advice, and maybe be funnier.

There are ways to approach comics, even asshat comics, and it's to beat them on their ground. Anything else, and you are just giving them fodder and material.
 
2013-05-19 04:16:19 PM  

hubiestubert: I think that she should take Sarah Silverman's advice, and maybe be funnier.

There are ways to approach comics, even asshat comics, and it's to beat them on their ground. Anything else, and you are just giving them fodder and material.


Judging from the comments these alleged comics made, that shouldn't be hard.
 
2013-05-19 04:28:04 PM  

gilgigamesh: I think she's definitely got a point, but seeing as she is allegedly a comedienne, wouldn't she have served it better by giving back better than what she got, as opposed to lecturing like a sanctimonious school marm?


She doesn't actually DO comedy herself (YET) apparently:

I am somewhat involved in the local comedy scene in Iowa City. When I say "somewhat involved," I mean I have friends who perform. I actively promote and support their shows, and I make sure to laugh really loudly at their knee-slappers. I do my best to go toe-to-toe in terms of quality jokes over the interwebs and in person with these comedian friends, and, since we are all attention-hungry at heart, I would say I have a decent sense of humor. I'm no stand-up comedian (YET), but I am happy and eager to engage in the local comedy scene...
 
2013-05-19 04:31:44 PM  
What's her Fark handle? I have some guesses.
 
2013-05-19 04:31:53 PM  
I feel bad for anyone under 50 who feels the need to qualify themselves as any type of -ist.

I'm assuming this chick is ugly
 
2013-05-19 04:32:01 PM  
I think we found a Womyn's Studies major.
 
2013-05-19 04:32:06 PM  
Stopped reading at the Daniel Tosh mention. He made a rape joke, so now everything he does (even in the past) isn't funny.
The feminist guilt-trip is not going to grant women comics mainstream appeal- being a good comic is what will do that.

This writer can choke on a dongle.
 
2013-05-19 04:33:21 PM  
How many feminists does it take to change a light bulb?
 
2013-05-19 04:34:36 PM  

Ivo Shandor: How many feminists does it take to change a light bulb?


2.  One to change the lightbulb, the other to get rapepregnant then eat our child.
 
2013-05-19 04:35:22 PM  
The views a lot of Farkers have on women make me feel really uncomfortable
 
2013-05-19 04:35:56 PM  
See, if I were her, I would have instead butted in and re-enacted a classic internet "Mr T ate my balls" story with handpuppets while talking in a Cookie Monster voice. Then lit the puppets on fire.
 
2013-05-19 04:36:04 PM  

Ivo Shandor: How many feminists does it take to change a light bulb?


that's not funny.
 
2013-05-19 04:37:12 PM  
Bleh, bleh, bleh, bleh bleh.
The boys are so mean to me.
Waaah.
 
2013-05-19 04:38:00 PM  
Jezebel's gonna be calling this chick.  TFA is utterly incoherent.

Worst greenlight of the week, mods.
 
2013-05-19 04:39:31 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Jezebel's gonna be calling this chick.  TFA is utterly incoherent.

Worst greenlight of the week, mods.


It was really, really painful and I slogged down a quarter of the way before giving up.
 
2013-05-19 04:39:43 PM  

TsarTom: gilgigamesh: I think she's definitely got a point, but seeing as she is allegedly a comedienne, wouldn't she have served it better by giving back better than what she got, as opposed to lecturing like a sanctimonious school marm?

She doesn't actually DO comedy herself (YET) apparently:

I am somewhat involved in the local comedy scene in Iowa City. When I say "somewhat involved," I mean I have friends who perform. I actively promote and support their shows, and I make sure to laugh really loudly at their knee-slappers. I do my best to go toe-to-toe in terms of quality jokes over the interwebs and in person with these comedian friends, and, since we are all attention-hungry at heart, I would say I have a decent sense of humor. I'm no stand-up comedian (YET), but I am happy and eager to engage in the local comedy scene...


Sounds like she is a groupie, a standup comic groupie no less.

No wonder she has sand in her vag about stereotypical jokes about women. Maybe if she had a respectable hobby and a real job she wouldn't waste her time complaining about stupid comics only the unwashed masses find funny.
 
2013-05-19 04:40:53 PM  

Tatsuma: The views a lot of Farkers have on women make me feel really uncomfortable


yeah tree branches outside of bedroom windows are rarely comfortable.
 
2013-05-19 04:41:39 PM  
FTFA: "Listen here whore. You are the only one taking anything seriously. Why don't you go be a uppity coont elsewhere. Why don't you try to be original for once rather then cry like a liberal biatch."

Jesus F*CK you Millennials are goddamn stupid.
 
2013-05-19 04:41:51 PM  

Tatsuma: The views a lot of Farkers have on women make me feel really uncomfortable


Then change into some pants that aren't so tight.
 
2013-05-19 04:41:55 PM  
I've known both men  and women to be humorless assholes. I personally hate stupid cackling catty batch humor that a lot of older women find hysterical. I also can't stand the low hanging fruit "jokes" some guys post here "Durr make me a sandwich!" You just have to learn how to ignore the idiots.
 
2013-05-19 04:42:12 PM  
The author can't write and the comedians aren't funny. This thing really needs a likable character.
 
2013-05-19 04:42:32 PM  
*scans article, sees its basically some fangirl whining about an exchange on facebook*
s23.postimg.org

Look, trolls are one thing but if you really want to hurt/influence an attention whore like a comedian:  Don't respond to any attempts leverage shock value, that's all they're trying for here is shock value.  They want to be like Tom Green or Dane Cook and if you deny them a response you'll teach them to maybe try something else...or stick to their day job.
 
2013-05-19 04:42:51 PM  

I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: The author can't write and the comedians aren't funny. This thing really needs a likable character.


Fire. Fire is always a loveable character.
 
2013-05-19 04:43:20 PM  
Look, the guy posing as a comedian on Facebook is an unfunny moron. He thinks humor is in being crude and denigrating for the sake of being crude and denigrating. There needs at least an amount of word play or set up before the crude and denigrating comments are made. This could be utterly obvious, a double bluff, etc., but something has to be done. What is offensive in comedy is being bad at comedy, which this guy was. He is simply being sexist because he thinks this will get a laugh out of people, but he is not being comedic. Frankie Boyle, Jimmy Carr, and Louis C.K. are all great yet extremely crude and denigrating

And they signaled to me that, as a woman who is tired of hearing sexism in comedy instead of original, creative humor, I am not welcome in the comedy world. That comedy is exclusive to those who think alike, and there is no room for dissenting voices. This isn't comedy either.

No, those folks signaled to you to get into comedy and beat him in the game or ignore the internet troll. He will have consequences as his career trajectory is heading nowhere. Comedy is exclusive to those who think alike in one respect: nothing is sacred. People who attempt to dissent on this are generally hecklers, and when you heckle a comedian you deserve every bit of horrible thing thrown at you. This, though, was some guy being a dick online suggesting he wouldn't have gone anyway by making what he arguably thinks was a joke about women and lesbians.
 
2013-05-19 04:44:18 PM  

gilgigamesh: I think she's definitely got a point, but seeing as she is allegedly a comedienne, wouldn't she have served it better by giving back better than what she got, as opposed to lecturing like a sanctimonious school marm?


No.
 
2013-05-19 04:44:41 PM  
I'm pretty sure that if there were no racist, sexist, etc. comedians, people like the woman FTA would be crushed because there would be nothing left to be outraged about. Much like half the people on Fark would cease participating if they could no longer come into a thread and proudly proclaim that they've added a bunch of people to their ignore list.
 
2013-05-19 04:45:42 PM  
take it she didn't tread well
 
2013-05-19 04:45:58 PM  

umad: Then change into some pants that aren't so tight.


No one wears pants while browsing this website, and you know it, troll.
 
2013-05-19 04:46:02 PM  

Vangor: This, though, was some guy being a dick online suggesting he wouldn't have gone anyway by making what he arguably thinks was a joke about women and lesbians.


He could have worded it better, but he did have a point. Female comedians are never funny.
 
2013-05-19 04:46:35 PM  

hubiestubert: I think that she should take Sarah Silverman's advice, and maybe be funnier.

There are ways to approach comics, even asshat comics, and it's to beat them on their ground. Anything else, and you are just giving them fodder and material.


If anyone should understand the need to be funnier, it's Sarah Silverman. What a hack.
 
2013-05-19 04:47:04 PM  

Tatsuma: umad: Then change into some pants that aren't so tight.

No one wears pants while browsing this website, and you know it, troll.


How do you know this? Did I leave my webcam on again?
 
2013-05-19 04:48:10 PM  
It's hard to be funny when you're always offended.
 
2013-05-19 04:48:10 PM  
Was she hot?
 
2013-05-19 04:48:55 PM  
s16.postimg.org
 
2013-05-19 04:48:57 PM  

SpikeStrip: take it she didn't tread well


i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-05-19 04:49:30 PM  

Nogale: hubiestubert: I think that she should take Sarah Silverman's advice, and maybe be funnier.

There are ways to approach comics, even asshat comics, and it's to beat them on their ground. Anything else, and you are just giving them fodder and material.

If anyone should understand the need to be funnier, it's Sarah Silverman. What a hack.


I have to give her credit. She's found a way to acceptably recycle Andrew Dice Clay's old material.
 
2013-05-19 04:50:50 PM  
Comedy is not typically politically correct. They make fun of stereotypes, joke about rape, prison rape, rape rape, peoples' skin color, gender, religion, hair color, speech patterns, and all sorts of other horrible stuff. If you don't want to hear it, then don't go and watch a comedy act that you know is going to be offensive...
 
2013-05-19 04:51:38 PM  
Did someone say 'dongle'?
 
2013-05-19 04:51:53 PM  
There aren't any real winners to choose from, just unfunny comedians and someone getting into an Internet argument with them. She's right but has little of substance to add given her target appears to be some no-name who she doesn't like in the local scene. Congratulations, you fond our shiatty comics rely on stupid people to laugh at their jokes, I'm sure the Nobel committee with be nominating you for your contribution to sociology any time now...
 
2013-05-19 04:51:57 PM  
Goddamnit. I just got done sweeping out all the straw from the last "This is what Feminists really are and how they oppress men" thread.

Just try to keep it tidy in here when you build all those strawmen feminists, guys.
 
2013-05-19 04:52:17 PM  
If it takes you more than three paragraphs of setup before you get to your point then, uh, something something.
 
2013-05-19 04:52:23 PM  
It's guys like this who make journalists use the term "sex worker" when they're talking about prostitutes. For shame.
 
2013-05-19 04:52:37 PM  
Rape jokes can be funny, it's just that most of them aren't, because most of them have "And then X got raped" as the punch line. And even if that weren't offensive, it's still not funny. It's not a good joke.
 
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