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2013-05-19 09:28:46 PM

utah dude: Fair_Poopsmith: utah dude: Fair_Poopsmith: utah dude: your tithe dollars at work.
Saturday's Warrior: utah dude:

what are your guys' stories? 

i'm a convert cause my whole family went Trainspotting on me.

Lifelong Mormon.  Started questioning the church's history at about 16-17, went through the temple, been in an Elders' Quorum presidency, called to the Germany Frankfurt mission in 2000, busted out of the Missionary Training Center in the dead of night after four days, hopped a cab and took a plane back home to Colorado.

Kept going to church a few more years until I was absolutely certain the church isn't what it claims to be, then stopped attending.  Kept studying, however, and continue to be fascinated by the culture and history of the church to this day.  Family is still all "true-believing" Mormon, and I refuse to have my name removed from the records of the church.  You could call me a New Order Mormon (http://www.newordermormon.org/).  Culturally Mormon, perhaps, for the past 8-10 years or so.  I think of myself a bit like a Jew who no longer believes in god but is still very much "Jewish."  I'm Mormon on my own terms- I appreciate a lot about the church, I think its history is totally bizarre; while I don't think the supernatural claims are in any way true, I think the church is full of good, crazy people doing their best to be decent human beings.  I love me some Mormons, and talking about Mormonism.   Looking into a graduate program on religious studies to further my research into the church. Feel free to ask me anything about the church- I'll answer honestly.

did you ever get a looksee at the Tao Te Ching by Lao Tzu... kinda a cliff notes gateway book of poems that resonates with all eastern faiths. i read it and love it. maybe buddhism/taoism/etc... would fit better?


Everything fits well if you take the good with the bad.  Buddhist meditation is great.
 
2013-05-19 09:31:37 PM

Fair_Poopsmith: Everything fits well if you take the good with the bad.  Buddhist meditation is great.


stereo headphone meditation is pretty awesome, too. try:  https://drive.google.com/#folders/0Bwtw0nvwHuhqNTAyb0thV2lOUFE  organized by month, day.
 
2013-05-19 09:32:06 PM

Chach: AverageAmericanGuy: Pricey: No value has been given for the cost of reconstruction but many are questioning why the Mormon Church didn't simply rebuild elsewhere

It's symbolic. If you have to understand why the restoration of an historic site is important for a religion, you don't understand religion.

Or history.


If this option was available thirty years ago, I totally would've given money to see it done to the god-awful-gorgeous church that burned down in my home town:

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Instead we got this shiatbox:
upload.wikimedia.org
It has one of the original windows that was out for repairs at the time...but this church has all but killed the parish.

\that fire is seriously one of my earliest memories, it was just that ridiculous
 
2013-05-19 09:34:23 PM
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2013-05-19 09:34:26 PM

Saturday's Warrior: utah dude: Fair_Poopsmith: utah dude: your tithe dollars at work.
Saturday's Warrior: utah dude:

what are your guys' stories?

i'm a convert cause my whole family went Trainspotting on me.

I am a child of God, yes siree; dyed in the wool, true blue, through and through.


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Is that a reference to the Children of God sect?
 
2013-05-19 09:56:57 PM

Fair_Poopsmith: utah dude: Fair_Poopsmith: utah dude: your tithe dollars at work.
Saturday's Warrior: utah dude:

what are your guys' stories?

i'm a convert cause my whole family went Trainspotting on me.

Lifelong Mormon.  Started questioning the church's history at about 16-17, went through the temple, been in an Elders' Quorum presidency, called to the Germany Frankfurt mission in 2000, busted out of the Missionary Training Center in the dead of night after four days, hopped a cab and took a plane back home to Colorado.

Kept going to church a few more years until I was absolutely certain the church isn't what it claims to be, then stopped attending.  Kept studying, however, and continue to be fascinated by the culture and history of the church to this day.  Family is still all "true-believing" Mormon, and I refuse to have my name removed from the records of the church.  You could call me a New Order Mormon (http://www.newordermormon.org/).  Culturally Mormon, perhaps, for the past 8-10 years or so.  I think of myself a bit like a Jew who no longer believes in god but is still very much "Jewish."  I'm Mormon on my own terms- I appreciate a lot about the church, I think its history is totally bizarre; while I don't think the supernatural claims are in any way true, I think the church is full of good, crazy people doing their best to be decent human beings.  I love me some Mormons, and talking about Mormonism.   Looking into a graduate program on religious studies to further my research into the church. Feel free to ask me anything about the church- I'll answer honestly.


Are you on NOM much these days?  I used to be there for a while 5-8 years ago, then just kind of graduated out as I lost interest in arguing and thinking and writing about make-believe.

My story is like yours, but it took me until I was a fair bit older than you when I just couldn't go through the motions anymore.

I agree that most mormons are good, crazy people just trying to be their best, but every once in a while you run into someone who tries to make you their project or whatever. It's also not cool when they try to sway elections.  I think they are out of that business for now, though.

As to the original article, the Provo Tabernacle is where I took my now-wife on our first real formal date about 22 years ago - to see a performance of Handel's Messiah.  I was a little sad when I heard about the fire.  I'm glad to see they are keeping at least the facade.  Too many cool old buildings get torn down.
 
2013-05-19 10:07:44 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Pricey: No value has been given for the cost of reconstruction but many are questioning why the Mormon Church didn't simply rebuild elsewhere

It's symbolic. If you have to understand why the restoration of an historic site is important for a religion, you don't understand religion.


They will use all new timbers, all new decorations, new windows, a new roof.  It may even end up with a new floorplan (though the new plan will probably be similar to the old).  Everything about that building will be new, except for the outside bricks, and yet it will be the exact same building.  Good ol ship of Theseus.
 
2013-05-19 11:17:55 PM

Gunny Walker: The firemen were denied entrace to fight the fire because they couldn't prove they were in good standing with the church.


What the fark are you talking about? Are you listening to yourself?
 
2013-05-19 11:20:13 PM

Fair_Poopsmith: utah dude: Fair_Poopsmith: utah dude: your tithe dollars at work.
Saturday's Warrior: utah dude:

what are your guys' stories? 

i'm a convert cause my whole family went Trainspotting on me.

Lifelong Mormon.  Started questioning the church's history at about 16-17, went through the temple, been in an Elders' Quorum presidency, called to the Germany Frankfurt mission in 2000, busted out of the Missionary Training Center in the dead of night after four days, hopped a cab and took a plane back home to Colorado.

Kept going to church a few more years until I was absolutely certain the church isn't what it claims to be, then stopped attending.  Kept studying, however, and continue to be fascinated by the culture and history of the church to this day.  Family is still all "true-believing" Mormon, and I refuse to have my name removed from the records of the church.  You could call me a New Order Mormon (http://www.newordermormon.org/).  Culturally Mormon, perhaps, for the past 8-10 years or so.  I think of myself a bit like a Jew who no longer believes in god but is still very much "Jewish."  I'm Mormon on my own terms- I appreciate a lot about the church, I think its history is totally bizarre; while I don't think the supernatural claims are in any way true, I think the church is full of good, crazy people doing their best to be decent human beings.  I love me some Mormons, and talking about Mormonism.   Looking into a graduate program on religious studies to further my research into the church. Feel free to ask me anything about the church- I'll answer honestly.


"Busted out of the MTC" LOL so did you pick the locks and don a ski mask? Or did you just leave, as anyone is allowed to do? Busted out, lol
 
2013-05-19 11:53:51 PM

Akambe: "Busted out of the MTC" LOL so did you pick the locks and don a ski mask? Or did you just leave, as anyone is allowed to do? Busted out, lol


I actually set off an alarm on the way out.  I was not feeling like having any conversation with some dude I didn't know to try to explain myself.  I probably could have just rolled with the punches and eased out in a few days, but I was a bit of an emotional wreck at the time.  Luckily, my family was really cool and understanding.  Most families aren't so,from what I hear.
 
2013-05-20 01:07:23 AM
FriarReb98:Snip...
It has one of the original windows that was out for repairs at the time...but this church has all but killed the parish.

\that fire is seriously one of my earliest memories, it was just that ridiculous



Sorry to hear about your loss. The building was a work of art.
 
2013-05-20 01:32:10 AM
Well, fark!

If you would have done that in the beginning...
 
2013-05-20 01:37:53 AM

Akambe: Gunny Walker: The firemen were denied entrace to fight the fire because they couldn't prove they were in good standing with the church.

What the fark are you talking about? Are you listening to yourself?


Looks like you don't get the joke.
 
2013-05-20 05:47:08 AM
as an ex-morg  myself, my total reaction is

meh

cool for the builders who got some paid employment out of the corporation, I guess

/to me, the provo temple is a historical site, in the same way that alcatraz, or hitlers bunker is a historical site
 
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