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(NPR)   Conservative groups: "We were singled out and picked on by the IRS. This is Obama's Waterlooghazigate." Nonconservative groups: "Whoa now, sassy pants, we got picked on too." Conservatives: "....fark"   (npr.org) divider line 188
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2013-05-19 10:15:07 AM  
Thank you, NPR, for making this controversy a nontroversy
 
2013-05-19 10:25:45 AM  
You know when Republicans use their dirty tricks to disenfranchise hispanic voters, or to intentionally create long lines at polling places in black neighborhoods?  Well, it might shock you to find out that they accidentally screw a small number of Republicans in those schemes as well.
See, when you know you're not allowed to be overtly prejudiced, you have to make up goofy excuses.  An when you do that, you start to have collateral damage.  That's all that's going on here.
 
2013-05-19 10:45:04 AM  

somedude210: Thank you, NPR, for making this controversy a nontroversy


Not sure if serious.  Even if you are, there is absolutely no way to win the day with facts.

If you derp your way in, you have to derp your way out again.
 
2013-05-19 10:47:38 AM  

Chariset: somedude210: Thank you, NPR, for making this controversy a nontroversy

Not sure if serious.  Even if you are, there is absolutely no way to win the day with facts.

If you derp your way in, you have to derp your way out again.


oh yeah, I know. I had an argument with my father over this friday. He admitted that he feels that NPR is in the realm of other media entities (such as MSNBC/FOX/etc.) You could've knocked me over with a feather.

But hey, any little dose of reality and facts helps
 
2013-05-19 11:20:56 AM  

serial_crusher: You know when Republicans use their dirty tricks to disenfranchise hispanic voters, or to intentionally create long lines at polling places in black neighborhoods?  Well, it might shock you to find out that they accidentally screw a small number of Republicans in those schemes as well.
See, when you know you're not allowed to be overtly prejudiced, you have to make up goofy excuses.  An when you do that, you start to have collateral damage.  That's all that's going on here.


By showing up to vote?
 
2013-05-19 12:03:17 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: serial_crusher: You know when Republicans use their dirty tricks to disenfranchise hispanic voters, or to intentionally create long lines at polling places in black neighborhoods?  Well, it might shock you to find out that they accidentally screw a small number of Republicans in those schemes as well.
See, when you know you're not allowed to be overtly prejudiced, you have to make up goofy excuses.  An when you do that, you start to have collateral damage.  That's all that's going on here.

By showing up to vote?


No, by republican legislatures closing most of the polling places in poor neighborhoods and restricting early voting, white supremacists putting up  billboards helpfully reminding black neighborhoods that voter fraud is bad at a time when voter law is up in the air in a lot of states ("well, if I'm not sure about the rules, because republicans aren't interested in explaining them to blacks, it's probably best to not take the chance"), restricting college students from voting by massively increasing the blackout period after you change your voting address and then moving elections to within that span of time of college move-in day ("Okay, so if I remember that's a thing and DON'T change my address, I have to drive 400 miles to my childhood home to vote democrat"), and when none of that is enough, pushing legislatures to allot electoral votes by congressional district (which would make rural votes worth 3x as much as urban ones in most of the US).
 
2013-05-19 12:07:33 PM  

serial_crusher: You know when Republicans use their dirty tricks to disenfranchise hispanic voters, or to intentionally create long lines at polling places in black neighborhoods?  Well, it might shock you to find out that they accidentally screw a small number of Republicans in those schemes as well.
See, when you know you're not allowed to be overtly prejudiced, you have to make up goofy excuses.  An when you do that, you start to have collateral damage.  That's all that's going on here.


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You know none of the applicants were denied their status, right? In the end they still got it.
 
2013-05-19 12:16:42 PM  
Shocking
 
2013-05-19 12:19:02 PM  

Irving Maimway: serial_crusher: You know when Republicans use their dirty tricks to disenfranchise hispanic voters, or to intentionally create long lines at polling places in black neighborhoods?  Well, it might shock you to find out that they accidentally screw a small number of Republicans in those schemes as well.
See, when you know you're not allowed to be overtly prejudiced, you have to make up goofy excuses.  An when you do that, you start to have collateral damage.  That's all that's going on here.

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You know none of the applicants were denied their status, right? In the end they still got it.


Yes, but the IRS asked them funny questions first.  They had to answer funny questions.  And all they wanted was closed books and to pay no taxes.  Imagine the indignity.
 
2013-05-19 12:19:37 PM  
Two non conservative groups were listed in the article. There were 300 - 500 conservative groups harassed.
 
2013-05-19 12:22:50 PM  

EnviroDude: Two non conservative groups were listed in the article. There were 300 - 500 conservative groups harassed.


Please explain what "charitable works" and "public service" the tea party groups do.  Please explain how they are not inherently political organizations.
 
2013-05-19 12:23:03 PM  

EnviroDude: Two non conservative groups were listed in the article. There were 300 - 500 conservative groups harassed.


They were more than harassed.  They were indignitated.  And just for the sin of being patriotic but totally non partisan non-profit groups.
 
2013-05-19 12:24:03 PM  

Irving Maimway: serial_crusher: You know when Republicans use their dirty tricks to disenfranchise hispanic voters, or to intentionally create long lines at polling places in black neighborhoods?  Well, it might shock you to find out that they accidentally screw a small number of Republicans in those schemes as well.
See, when you know you're not allowed to be overtly prejudiced, you have to make up goofy excuses.  An when you do that, you start to have collateral damage.  That's all that's going on here.

/notsureifserious.jpg

You know none of the applicants were denied their status, right? In the end they still got it.


Yeah but they asked them for a screenshot of their Facebook page, that's almost Stalinesque I think.
 
2013-05-19 12:24:56 PM  

EnviroDude: Two non conservative groups were listed in the article. There were 300 - 500 conservative groups harassed.


According to normal conservative logic, it means they were treated equally.
 
2013-05-19 12:25:31 PM  

EnviroDude: Two non conservative groups were listed in the article. There were 300 - 500 conservative groups harassed.


Interesting.  I'm interested in seeing how that number was arrived at, if you wouldn't mind directing me to your source.
 
2013-05-19 12:28:05 PM  

unyon: EnviroDude: Two non conservative groups were listed in the article. There were 300 - 500 conservative groups harassed.

Interesting.  I'm interested in seeing how that number was arrived at, if you wouldn't mind directing me to your source.


according to this link (from an American "Thinker" article) the number of delayed applications was 89.

http://philanthropy.com/article/Groups-Could-Have-Sued-IRS/139263/
 
2013-05-19 12:28:38 PM  
GOP, this is why you fail.

You leap before you look, you don't investigate fully before you move, you go all-in on a pair of 7s.

The IRS tends to check EVERYONE who stands out.  It's kinda their gig.  But, you automatically assumed that it was politically motivated, probably because that's something that you'd do if you were in the WH.

You didn't take the time to check and now you look like a farking retard.  Again.

For fark's sake, fellas, really?  Really?  Get your heads into the game.

Honestly, if this was a little league baseball game, the 'mercy' rule would have been invoked 2 years ago and we'd all be at Chuckie Cheese getting pizza.
 
2013-05-19 12:29:14 PM  
I'd be interested in seeing the overall volume of pseudo-political groups by ideology.  If there are 10x as many "conservative" groups, wouldn't you expect 10x as many to be more heavily scrutinized?
 
2013-05-19 12:32:23 PM  

dumbobruni: unyon: EnviroDude: Two non conservative groups were listed in the article. There were 300 - 500 conservative groups harassed.

Interesting.  I'm interested in seeing how that number was arrived at, if you wouldn't mind directing me to your source.

according to this link (from an American "Thinker" article) the number of delayed applications was 89.

http://philanthropy.com/article/Groups-Could-Have-Sued-IRS/139263/


Hey, 89 is pretty close to 500.

wait.
 
2013-05-19 12:33:07 PM  

doyner: I'd be interested in seeing the overall volume of pseudo-political groups by ideology.  If there are 10x as many "conservative" groups, wouldn't you expect 10x as many to be more heavily scrutinized?


See, there you go trying to look at the contents of the sample group to see if it affects the end result. It's like you have a, oh, I don't know, some kind of system for analyzing data and drawing factually accurate conclusions. A something model.
 
2013-05-19 12:34:09 PM  

dave2198: dumbobruni: unyon: EnviroDude: Two non conservative groups were listed in the article. There were 300 - 500 conservative groups harassed.

Interesting.  I'm interested in seeing how that number was arrived at, if you wouldn't mind directing me to your source.

according to this link (from an American "Thinker" article) the number of delayed applications was 89.

http://philanthropy.com/article/Groups-Could-Have-Sued-IRS/139263/

Hey, 89 is pretty close to 500.

wait.


Ratios, how the fark do they work?

Also, I'd be curious to know how many of those Tea Tarder groups had a fixation on taxes and how to avoid  paying them.
 
2013-05-19 12:34:58 PM  
Yeah but being in the Tea Party isn't political. It's more like a way of life.

If you libs loved America you'd understand.
 
2013-05-19 12:35:09 PM  

Irving Maimway: doyner: I'd be interested in seeing the overall volume of pseudo-political groups by ideology.  If there are 10x as many "conservative" groups, wouldn't you expect 10x as many to be more heavily scrutinized?

See, there you go trying to look at the contents of the sample group to see if it affects the end result. It's like you have a, oh, I don't know, some kind of system for analyzing data and drawing factually accurate conclusions. A something model.


Sorry.  I forgot that sound math and statistical analysis has no place in ideological butthurt.
 
2013-05-19 12:35:36 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: serial_crusher: You know when Republicans use their dirty tricks to disenfranchise hispanic voters, or to intentionally create long lines at polling places in black neighborhoods?  Well, it might shock you to find out that they accidentally screw a small number of Republicans in those schemes as well.
See, when you know you're not allowed to be overtly prejudiced, you have to make up goofy excuses.  An when you do that, you start to have collateral damage.  That's all that's going on here.

By showing up to vote?


no by putting in less voting machines per person than they do at the conservative precincts. and by cutting the voting hours. and by making way too many challenges by their poll watchers.
 
2013-05-19 12:35:43 PM  

EnviroDude: Two non conservative groups were listed in the article. There were 300 - 500 conservative groups harassed.


So you've done a comprehensive survey of all liberal and conservative groups during the period in question?

Also, the absolute numbers are irrelevant (this is alleged to have occurred during a period when a massive number if conservative groups were registering for non-profit status for the sole purpose of abusing and circumventing campaign finance laws). These numbers mean nothing...what would be interesting is a comparison of the relative RATES at which different groups were "harrassed" (not sure that I count asking for more documentation for their dubious social welfare claims as harassment, but whatever). I've seen no strong evidence yet that the rate was higher for conservative groups...just a lot of whining from conservatives.

Also, I think ALL these "social welfare" groups that are really just political organizations should be denied non-profit status, regardless of ideological persuasion, and audited heavily regularly at the very least. So if any mistake was made here it was in not going after ALL these groups, rather than going after any of them.

I also find it rich that Republicans are whining about political discrimination when the whole purpose of these group's existence is to enable unlimited anonymous political harassment of their enemies.
 
2013-05-19 12:37:34 PM  

Irving Maimway: You know none of the applicants were denied their status, right? In the end they still got it.


re read the article. the news reporters ran out of funding and quit. how many others did that happen to? IIRC there were some on the right as well that needed the tax exempt status to fund raise.

justice delayed is justice denied. that said the IRS should have added staff and put everyone of these under a microscope. if there isn't rampant cheating going on (even allowing for citizens untied) i'll eat my hat.
 
2013-05-19 12:38:35 PM  

Chariset: somedude210: Thank you, NPR, for making this controversy a nontroversy

Not sure if serious.  Even if you are, there is absolutely no way to win the day with facts.

If you derp your way in, you have to derp your way out again.


DIDO

Derp in, derp out.
 
2013-05-19 12:38:54 PM  

EnviroDude: Two non conservative groups were listed in the article. There were 300 - 500 conservative groups harassed.


I'd heard there one million, five hundred thousand six hundred, three. And a half.
 
2013-05-19 12:39:27 PM  

dave2198: dumbobruni: unyon: EnviroDude: Two non conservative groups were listed in the article. There were 300 - 500 conservative groups harassed.

Interesting.  I'm interested in seeing how that number was arrived at, if you wouldn't mind directing me to your source.

according to this link (from an American "Thinker" article) the number of delayed applications was 89.

http://philanthropy.com/article/Groups-Could-Have-Sued-IRS/139263/

Hey, 89 is pretty close to 500.

wait.


and you know what? while they were waiting on their application review they got to operate as a tax exempt organization anyway. so there was no harm suffered by them at all. but his feeds right into their persecution complex.
 
2013-05-19 12:39:31 PM  
All the IRS did was their jobs. Political groups that favor specific candidates or specific legislation are NOT eligible for tax exemption, but will damn well try to get it. To be honest, only charities should be tax exempt, and even they need to be scrutinized more because a lot of them are scams.
 
2013-05-19 12:43:59 PM  

Mnemia: I've seen no strong evidence yet that the rate was higher for conservative groups...just a lot of whining from conservatives.


now you know darned good and well that they wouldn't be whining if it weren't true. study it out.
 
2013-05-19 12:43:59 PM  

Curious: that said the IRS should have added staff


Now, the IRS employees who were searching for "tea party" surely should have known better. But the fact of the matter is that the agency has been dealing with a deluge of applications for tax-exempt status at a time when its budget is shrinking. The size of the IRS workforce has dropped 9 percent  from its 2010 level, and the agency has seen its budget cut in each of the last two fiscal years. This fiscal year, the amount the IRS spends per capita (meaning per citizen) will be 20 percent lower than it was in 2002, according to an analysis by tax expert David Cay Johnston.
Meanwhile, as Reuters reported, "The IRS has seen the number of groups applying for 501(c)4 status double in the wake of a January 2010 Supreme Court decision that loosened campaign-finance rules."  The Obama administration has requested budget increases for the IRS, but Republicans in Congress refuse to approve them. So it's perhaps not surprising that already overworked employees at the agency looked for a few shortcuts.
 
2013-05-19 12:44:41 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: serial_crusher: You know when Republicans use their dirty tricks to disenfranchise hispanic voters, or to intentionally create long lines at polling places in black neighborhoods?  Well, it might shock you to find out that they accidentally screw a small number of Republicans in those schemes as well.
See, when you know you're not allowed to be overtly prejudiced, you have to make up goofy excuses.  An when you do that, you start to have collateral damage.  That's all that's going on here.

By showing up to vote?


The chosen method in Columbia, SC last November was to send out between a quarter and half of the legally mandated minimum number of voting machines to each voting location.

It's actually quite similar to the application backlog noted in the article.  If you double the number of applications, but keep the number of IRS employees to look through them the same - then it WILL take longer for the applications to wind through the system; just as decreasing voting machines but keeping the same number (or greater) of voters will lead to seven hour long lines to vote.
 
2013-05-19 12:45:27 PM  

Hobodeluxe: dave2198: dumbobruni: unyon: EnviroDude: Two non conservative groups were listed in the article. There were 300 - 500 conservative groups harassed.

Interesting.  I'm interested in seeing how that number was arrived at, if you wouldn't mind directing me to your source.

according to this link (from an American "Thinker" article) the number of delayed applications was 89.

http://philanthropy.com/article/Groups-Could-Have-Sued-IRS/139263/

Hey, 89 is pretty close to 500.

wait.

and you know what? while they were waiting on their application review they got to operate as a tax exempt organization anyway. so there was no harm suffered by them at all. but his feeds right into their persecution complex.


They should start sending out a care package for all applicants:

Dear Sir,

We have received your application, and per our usual procedure, applications are processed in the order in which they are received. Our staffing numbers are approaching zero, so expect long delays. Additionally, if you filed for a nonprofit status that does not match your organization's stated intentions, you can expect further delays and inquiries. We have included a cheese and sausage basket to help you pass the time. If you feel you are being unfairly targeted, we have included a cross for you to climb up on.

Thank you for your patience,

The IRS
 
2013-05-19 12:47:34 PM  

Hobodeluxe: Curious: that said the IRS should have added staff

Now, the IRS employees who were searching for "tea party" surely should have known better. But the fact of the matter is that the agency has been dealing with a deluge of applications for tax-exempt status at a time when its budget is shrinking. The size of the IRS workforce has dropped 9 percent  from its 2010 level, and the agency has seen its budget cut in each of the last two fiscal years. This fiscal year, the amount the IRS spends per capita (meaning per citizen) will be 20 percent lower than it was in 2002, according to an analysis by tax expert David Cay Johnston.
Meanwhile, as Reuters reported, "The IRS has seen the number of groups applying for 501(c)4 status double in the wake of a January 2010 Supreme Court decision that loosened campaign-finance rules."  The Obama administration has requested budget increases for the IRS, but Republicans in Congress refuse to approve them. So it's perhaps not surprising that already overworked employees at the agency looked for a few shortcuts.


So, the GOP refuses to fund the IRS and when bad things happen, they rage at the IRS.

Sounds very familiar to how they treated the State Dept and its funding before the attack in Libya.  Deny funding and then rage at them when bad things happen.
 
2013-05-19 12:48:33 PM  

Hobodeluxe: The Obama administration has requested budget increases for the IRS, but Republicans in Congress refuse to approve them. So it's perhaps not surprising that already overworked employees at the agency looked for a few shortcuts.


The central plank of the Republican party platform: government doesn't work; elect us and we'll prove it.
 
2013-05-19 12:48:51 PM  
Conservatives: "....fark"

Absolutely no way that happened.
 
2013-05-19 12:49:07 PM  
www.usnews.com
 
2013-05-19 12:49:22 PM  

Infernalist: Hobodeluxe: Curious: that said the IRS should have added staff

Now, the IRS employees who were searching for "tea party" surely should have known better. But the fact of the matter is that the agency has been dealing with a deluge of applications for tax-exempt status at a time when its budget is shrinking. The size of the IRS workforce has dropped 9 percent  from its 2010 level, and the agency has seen its budget cut in each of the last two fiscal years. This fiscal year, the amount the IRS spends per capita (meaning per citizen) will be 20 percent lower than it was in 2002, according to an analysis by tax expert David Cay Johnston.
Meanwhile, as Reuters reported, "The IRS has seen the number of groups applying for 501(c)4 status double in the wake of a January 2010 Supreme Court decision that loosened campaign-finance rules."  The Obama administration has requested budget increases for the IRS, but Republicans in Congress refuse to approve them. So it's perhaps not surprising that already overworked employees at the agency looked for a few shortcuts.

So, the GOP refuses to fund the IRS and when bad things happen, they rage at the IRS.

Sounds very familiar to how they treated the State Dept and its funding before the attack in Libya.  Deny funding and then rage at them when bad things happen.


Isn't that awesome?  The Republicans have been very successful at causing problems and then blaming them on others.

WHAT?!?!?!?!  GITMO IS STILL OPEN?  OUTRAGE!
 
2013-05-19 12:49:29 PM  
All these "scandals" are affecting Obama's approval ratings.

His approvals have gone up a couple points.

lol
 
2013-05-19 12:49:52 PM  
i1162.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-19 12:51:31 PM  
LOL.  The example of Progress Austin isn't even close to the scrutiny conservative groups received.  Were they asked not to picket outside of Planned Parenthood, asked the content of their prayers, asked to printout and send every FB/Web comment they ever made, asked for a list of donors?  No?  Then it is a false equivalency. 21 questions?!?  Conservative groups received 100s with the thread of perjury.  Approved in just over a year?  Laughable compared to the conservative groups.  You found 2 whole groups who got asked a few extra questions?  500 was the last count I saw of conservative/religious groups.  They asked a pro-life group to sign an affidavit saying they would never protest Planned Parenthood, they were violating the 1st amendment!

Here is as simple as it gets.  The Barack H. Obama foundation, a fake charity at a P.O. Box was approved in 32 days.  After 2.5 years there are still some groups that have yet to receive a yes/no.
 
2013-05-19 12:52:19 PM  

Irving Maimway: serial_crusher: You know when Republicans use their dirty tricks to disenfranchise hispanic voters, or to intentionally create long lines at polling places in black neighborhoods?  Well, it might shock you to find out that they accidentally screw a small number of Republicans in those schemes as well.
See, when you know you're not allowed to be overtly prejudiced, you have to make up goofy excuses.  An when you do that, you start to have collateral damage.  That's all that's going on here.

/notsureifserious.jpg

You know none of the applicants were denied their status, right? In the end they still got it.


Umm.. why are you lying?  Some withdrew because of costs, others have yet to be approved/unapproved...
 
2013-05-19 12:53:23 PM  

gimmegimme: EnviroDude: Two non conservative groups were listed in the article. There were 300 - 500 conservative groups harassed.

Please explain what "charitable works" and "public service" the tea party groups do.  Please explain how they are not inherently political organizations.


NAACP isn't a political organization?  It's been a 501c for years.  Planned Parenthood doesn't get involved in politics?  Sierra Club?  Liberals have utilized 501c to a much greater extent than conservatives.
 
2013-05-19 12:54:25 PM  
these groups were targeted not by liberals but by karl rove as a way to suppress the tea party, and why not? you can knock down the tea party a peg and make them think it was the democrats so they'll come crawling back to the right, kill two brids with one stone.
 
2013-05-19 12:54:41 PM  

MyRandomName: LOL.  The example of Progress Austin isn't even close to the scrutiny conservative groups received.  Were they asked not to picket outside of Planned Parenthood, asked the content of their prayers, asked to printout and send every FB/Web comment they ever made, asked for a list of donors?  No?  Then it is a false equivalency. 21 questions?!?  Conservative groups received 100s with the thread of perjury.  Approved in just over a year?  Laughable compared to the conservative groups.  You found 2 whole groups who got asked a few extra questions?  500 was the last count I saw of conservative/religious groups.  They asked a pro-life group to sign an affidavit saying they would never protest Planned Parenthood, they were violating the 1st amendment!

Here is as simple as it gets.  The Barack H. Obama foundation, a fake charity at a P.O. Box was approved in 32 days.  After 2.5 years there are still some groups that have yet to receive a yes/no.


I see all that typed up, but all I can read is 'herpa derp derp derp derpaaaaaa DERP.  derp derp."
 
2013-05-19 12:54:42 PM  

EnviroDude: Two non conservative groups were listed in the article. There were 300 - 500 conservative groups harassed.


I suspect that's because a lot more conservative groups applied for 501 statues than non conservative groups.

From what I've read it's something like 20,000 - 70,000  501(c)(4) applications for a staff of 20 something to go over.
 
2013-05-19 12:54:43 PM  
I don't see how the cops can be said to racially profile since white people have been stopped by cops too.

/Amidoinitrite?
 
2013-05-19 12:54:57 PM  

Karac: Hobodeluxe: The Obama administration has requested budget increases for the IRS, but Republicans in Congress refuse to approve them. So it's perhaps not surprising that already overworked employees at the agency looked for a few shortcuts.

The central plank of the Republican party platform: government doesn't work; elect us and we'll prove it.


If it wasn't for strawman arguments, liberals would have no arguments at all.  GOP believes the government is doing too much, not that they can't do anything.  Polling agrees.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/157481/majority-say-government-doing.aspx
 
2013-05-19 12:55:18 PM  

Mrbogey: I don't see how the cops can be said to racially profile since white people have been stopped by cops too.

/Amidoinitrite?


Ratios, how the fark do they work?
 
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