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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-05-19 09:50:50 AM
Those women must be tough to live to 100 despite being battered.

/DNRTFA
 
2013-05-19 10:08:34 AM
Leaders at Cincinnati Union Bethel, the nonprofit that runs the Anna Louise, said they sold reluctantly because they couldn't afford to fight any longer.


America: All the justice you can afford.

Seriously though, it should be free to use the legal system until a winner or loser is decided.
 
2013-05-19 10:14:52 AM
Heard about this on the radio the other day. I've been sort of following this for the last two years and was hoping for a different outcome.

/good luck ladies.
 
2013-05-19 10:19:58 AM
Artists rendering of John Barrett
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-19 10:21:06 AM
Maybe Warren Buffett can buy the bank and turn it into a chain of homeless shelters?
 
2013-05-19 10:24:21 AM

ZAZ: Those women must be tough to live to 100 despite being battered.

/DNRTFA


If you don't better them they dry up as soon as you dip em in grease.
 
2013-05-19 10:30:53 AM
Hey, the right of the wealthy to make money off the backs of the poor should not be infringed, not even an eensy weensy bit.

Why do you hate America?
 
2013-05-19 10:38:46 AM

jehovahs witness protection: ZAZ: Those women must be tough to live to 100 despite being battered.

/DNRTFA

If you don't batter them they dry up as soon as you dip em in grease.


FTFM
 
2013-05-19 10:57:07 AM
Talk about a dick move.

Better solution would have been to join the board of the shelter and help with the renovation of the building and then offer job training and opportunities to the residents.

Talk about a PR, community service opportunity wasted.

Then again banks usually just give lip service to community service.
 
2013-05-19 11:26:06 AM
It's days like this that I wish "V for Vendetta" was real.

Also, here's hoping a "mysterious fire" breaks out the day the women leave.
 
2013-05-19 11:30:26 AM
So the bank wants to turn it into a boutique hotel. I'm sure there'll never be any high price escorts working there.
 
2013-05-19 11:31:24 AM

Rincewind53: It's days like this that I wish "V for Vendetta" was real.

Also, here's hoping a "mysterious fire" breaks out the day the women leave.


Spontaneous whore combustion is a terrible thing
 
2013-05-19 01:02:58 PM
I don't know what the problem is here.  The Free MarketTM has spoken.  Don't make it have to tell you again.
 
2013-05-19 01:05:43 PM

BizarreMan: Talk about a dick move.

Better solution would have been to join the board of the shelter and help with the renovation of the building and then offer job training and opportunities to the residents.

Talk about a PR, community service opportunity wasted.

Then again banks usually just give lip service to community service.


When does society start enforcing a certain .... dexter like law.
Sorry, you direct actions will lead to hardship and death.
Ok, we wont kill you outright.
But you won't be able to use your knees, ever again.

/this is the problem with having a legal system and not a justice system.
/what they did was legal, but unjust.
 
2013-05-19 01:07:26 PM

namatad: BizarreMan: Talk about a dick move.

Better solution would have been to join the board of the shelter and help with the renovation of the building and then offer job training and opportunities to the residents.

Talk about a PR, community service opportunity wasted.

Then again banks usually just give lip service to community service.

When does society start enforcing a certain .... dexter like law.
Sorry, you direct actions will lead to hardship and death.
Ok, we wont kill you outright.
But you won't be able to use your knees, ever again.

/this is the problem with having a legal system and not a justice system.
/what they did was legal, but unjust.


Pretty much THIS.
 
2013-05-19 01:10:11 PM
Sounds like class warfare.

Oh, wait, no it's not.  The poor people got screwed, so it's OK.
 
2013-05-19 01:26:06 PM
FTFA: The women living at the Anna Louise will stay there until a new building for them is finished, in about two years. So what's the problem again?
 
2013-05-19 01:34:42 PM
It's their own fault for not being rich.
 
2013-05-19 01:38:32 PM
Hey, if running a battered woman's shelter was a desired service that actually provided a positive benefit to the world, then they'd have more money.  Don't complain to me just because bankers and CEO's are vastly more important and worthwhile.  If they want any power, they should turn white and grow penises and do something that actually matters, like stealing water from the poor and then selling it back to them.  The market has spoken, the market knows all, there is nothing more important than money.


/amidoinitrite?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-05-19 01:56:06 PM

Now I've read some articles on the fight and I don't understand. How did the big business have standing to make a legal challenge to the tax credits sought by the women's inn? One article says

When Cincinnati Union Bethel refused to sell, Western & Southern challenged its right to the tax credits and accused the inn's owners of making "false claims" about their intentions for the property near Lytle Park.
Neighbors can challenge zoning, like if the renovation were an expansion of an existing nonconforming use, but I've never heard of neighbors being able to challenge tax credits in court.
 
2013-05-19 02:28:13 PM

jim32rr: FTFA: The women living at the Anna Louise will stay there until a new building for them is finished, in about two years. So what's the problem again?


Totally agree. complete dick move of battered women to inconvenience the rich and affluent. The downtrodden need to know their place in society
 
2013-05-19 02:30:01 PM
Whenever I see an ethically questionable company, such as BoA or Walmart, try to buy a new image with signs that say 'we spend $4m on local causes', I can think of these sorts of things.
 
2013-05-19 02:30:40 PM
I also want to whine on the internet and not do anything about it.
 
2013-05-19 02:31:20 PM

ZAZ: Now I've read some articles on the fight and I don't understand. How did the big business have standing to make a legal challenge to the tax credits sought by the women's inn? One article saysWhen Cincinnati Union Bethel refused to sell, Western & Southern challenged its right to the tax credits and accused the inn's owners of making "false claims" about their intentions for the property near Lytle Park.Neighbors can challenge zoning, like if the renovation were an expansion of an existing nonconforming use, but I've never heard of neighbors being able to challenge tax credits in court.


The trick is hiring clever (expensive) lawyers talented (greedy) enough to string things out long enough to bankrupt the poor people.  Whether or not they have standing is irrelevant if the opposition can't survive long enough to find out.
 
2013-05-19 02:31:53 PM
Women sad, angry over sale of nonprofit Ohio homeSo it was a day of mixed emotions....
 
2013-05-19 02:33:15 PM

FreetardoRivera: I also want to whine on the internet and not do anything about it.


Yeah, if you don't have the money to pay the legal bills for the shelter against the giant bank then you should just STFU, right?
 
2013-05-19 02:33:28 PM
Okay Internet. This is your moment. Don't let me down.

/sup /b/
 
2013-05-19 02:34:50 PM
All is not lost...

1. Resolve to post negative Yelp and Trip Advisor reviews of boutique hotel when it opens. It's a lot easier to destroy a new business these days than it has ever been before.
2. Picket hotel and bank endlessly.
3. Make them regret getting involved.
 
2013-05-19 02:34:57 PM

Chariset: Hey, the right of the wealthy to make money off the backs of the poor should not be infringed, not even an eensy weensy bit.

Why do you hate America?


Because it's broken and no one know's how to repair it anymore.
 
2013-05-19 02:35:46 PM
This person as well as everyone at his company involved deserve to get painful, long-lasting cancer. Josef Mengele should be brought back from the dead so he can treat these cumstains.
 
2013-05-19 02:36:49 PM
How does one exclude the other?
 
2013-05-19 02:37:16 PM

ZAZ: Now I've read some articles on the fight and I don't understand. How did the big business have standing to make a legal challenge to the tax credits sought by the women's inn? One article saysWhen Cincinnati Union Bethel refused to sell, Western & Southern challenged its right to the tax credits and accused the inn's owners of making "false claims" about their intentions for the property near Lytle Park.Neighbors can challenge zoning, like if the renovation were an expansion of an existing nonconforming use, but I've never heard of neighbors being able to challenge tax credits in court.


Not common, but not unheard of:

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/02/25/displaced_by_f ac tory_neighbors_challenge_tax_break/

We'll see what the Supreme Court has to say, but after Kelo, I wouldn't get too excited.

Case here, though, it sounded like the bank got their toe in the door via a zoning objection...scummy, but legal.
Of course, it's always risky to judge a case on a media report.
 
2013-05-19 02:37:30 PM

Peter von Nostrand: jim32rr: FTFA: The women living at the Anna Louise will stay there until a new building for them is finished, in about two years. So what's the problem again?

Totally agree. complete dick move of battered women to inconvenience the rich and affluent. The downtrodden need to know their place in society


Dick move by the bank, or dick move by the public who think a battered women's shelter lowers the local property values?  "Gentrification" has its downside, but that doesn't mean it's unpopular.
 
2013-05-19 02:40:00 PM
Nothing new, didn't some guy in Bridgeport CT lose his home because the city wanted a motel that would bring in more taxes?
If I remember, he lost, house torn down, motel never built.
Gotta love the government in situations like this.
 
2013-05-19 02:40:57 PM

doyner: I don't know what the problem is here.  The Free MarketTM has spoken.  Don't make it have to tell you again.


thegeekydream.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-05-19 02:41:01 PM
I find it hard to believe we cant find somewhere else to warehouse these women.

farm9.static.flickr.com
 
2013-05-19 02:43:02 PM

Rincewind53: It's days like this that I wish "V for Vendetta" was real.

Also, here's hoping a "mysterious fire" breaks out the day the women leave.


As long as the mystery fire starts with this c*nt's ballsack, it's all good.
 
2013-05-19 02:44:23 PM

Uzzah: All is not lost...

1. Resolve to post negative Yelp and Trip Advisor reviews of boutique hotel when it opens. It's a lot easier to destroy a new business these days than it has ever been before.
2. Picket hotel and bank endlessly.
3. Make them regret getting involved.


How about firebomb the banks HQ on a holiday?
Publish the CEO and boards home addresses.
Pitchforks and torches should do nicely.
 
2013-05-19 02:45:08 PM
Two things need to be destroyed as a result of this:

- Western & Southern Insurance Group for being a bunch of dicks
- The bank executive who referred to them as "recovering prostitutes" (he should be publicly beaten in the way some of those women he's evicting probably have been)

/in my line of work, I get a lot of visits from women coming from such shelters
//they don't need another "man" treating them like shiat
 
2013-05-19 02:51:29 PM
Can I opt out of humanity? I dunno, go be a giant space whale or something for awhile?

Because the fact humans as a whole seem to favor Greed as a short term survival strategy which has negative affects on our long term survival really bums me out.
 
2013-05-19 02:52:53 PM

Uzzah: All is not lost...

1. Resolve to post negative Yelp and Trip Advisor reviews of boutique hotel when it opens. It's a lot easier to destroy a new business these days than it has ever been before.
2. Picket hotel and bank endlessly.
3. Make them regret getting involved.


I'm also imagining the same kind of scenario you get when you build a house on an ancient burial ground....
 
2013-05-19 02:53:55 PM
Bankers are the only real prostitutes.
 
2013-05-19 02:54:14 PM

jim32rr: FTFA: The women living at the Anna Louise will stay there until a new building for them is finished, in about two years. So what's the problem again?


Because outrage.
 
2013-05-19 02:55:19 PM

jim32rr: FTFA: The women living at the Anna Louise will stay there until a new building for them is finished, in about two years. So what's the problem again?


Worked for Native American's right?
 
2013-05-19 02:55:25 PM
But just think how many jobs this will create!
 
2013-05-19 02:55:54 PM

cygnusx13: jim32rr: FTFA: The women living at the Anna Louise will stay there until a new building for them is finished, in about two years. So what's the problem again?

Worked for Native American's right?


Minus the apostrophe
 
2013-05-19 02:56:01 PM

WhippingBoy: jim32rr: FTFA: The women living at the Anna Louise will stay there until a new building for them is finished, in about two years. So what's the problem again?

Because outrage.


FTFA:  But after losing a two-year fight with a Fortune 500 company determined to buy their beautiful, 104-year-old property and turn it into a boutique hotel - even though it wasn't for sale - the women of the Anna Louise Inn have to leave the neighborhood.
 
2013-05-19 02:56:12 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Sounds like class warfare.

Oh, wait, no it's not.  The poor people got screwed, so it's OK.


apocalypseknow.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-05-19 02:57:40 PM

jim32rr: FTFA: The women living at the Anna Louise will stay there until a new building for them is finished, in about two years. So what's the problem again?


Exactly, what's the problem with exploiting the legal system to steal property from a nonprofit that doesn't want to sell? The poors should've just given their property up to their fiscal betters.

If you have to ask such a stupid farking question, you lack the moral character and human decency to understand the answer.
 
2013-05-19 02:58:30 PM
Western and Southern are being pricks for throwing their weight around.  However, after reading the actual article, it seems that some of the women currently residing there are, in fact, recovering prostitutes.  I hope they get continuing help in their recovery whether here or at the new place.
 
2013-05-19 02:59:05 PM
I like my women like I like my shrimp: battered.
 
2013-05-19 02:59:07 PM

So Western & Southern Insurance Group legally beats up women's shelters.  Everyone should remember Western & Southern Insurance Group calls women recovering prostitutes.

upload.wikimedia.org
CEO John F Barrett of Western & Southern Insurance Group
he calls battered women "recovering prostitutes"



/Btw, props to whoever added this incident to his wiki bio, its good to ensure people are remembered for their actions.
 
2013-05-19 03:01:24 PM
You know, the headline tries to make us hate the bank CEO because he refers to the women as "recovering prostitutes"... but in fact, they are recovering prostitutes, at least the ones they interviewed in TFA.

Believe me, there is no love here for goddamn bankers. But, there are billions of true and accurate reasons to hate them, it's a waste of energy and a distraction to create any more.
 
2013-05-19 03:01:42 PM
You know..... if more CEO's were murdered for acting like dicks I think we'd have a better society. When will we get our own  Reign of Terror? I'll make the popcorn.
 
2013-05-19 03:03:15 PM

desertgeek: Two things need to be destroyed as a result of this:

- Western & Southern Insurance Group for being a bunch of dicks
- The bank executive who referred to them as "recovering prostitutes" (he should be publicly beaten in the way some of those women he's evicting probably have been)

/in my line of work, I get a lot of visits from women coming from such shelters
//they don't need another "man" treating them like shiat


I guess no one read TFA, including subby.

[Evil executive], who has repeatedly declined requests for an interview, has become a loathed figure at the Anna Louise, not only for his tireless efforts to acquire the property but also for the way he has talked about the women living there, repeatedly referring to them as recovering prostitutes and saying they just don't belong in the neighborhood.
"That hurt. To be categorized," said Sherene Julian, 48, who escaped decades of drug addiction and prostitution when she moved to the Anna Louise. "It made me feel that I was lesser than."


jim32rr: FTFA: The women living at the Anna Louise will stay there until a new building for them is finished, in about two years. So what's the problem again?


FTA:

The historic downtown Cincinnati neighborhood where the women live, known as Lytle Park, became an important part of their recovery, since most were coming from dangerous parts of the city where it'd be easier to slip back into their former ways of life.

and

Under the deal with Western & Southern, the women living at the Anna Louise will stay there until a new building for them is finished, in about two years. It will be located in a shabby neighborhood on a busy street 2 miles north of where they are now. The nearest park is a 1.5-mile walk away, over a freeway.
 
2013-05-19 03:03:42 PM

doyner: WhippingBoy: jim32rr: FTFA: The women living at the Anna Louise will stay there until a new building for them is finished, in about two years. So what's the problem again?

Because outrage.

FTFA:  But after losing a two-year fight with a Fortune 500 company determined to buy their beautiful, 104-year-old property and turn it into a boutique hotel - even though it wasn't for sale - the women of the Anna Louise Inn have to leave the neighborhood.


FTFA: The Anna Louise and its supporters didn't back down, vowing to fight Western & Southern with everything they had - until last week when they inked a deal with the company to sell the home for $4 million.

Blame the bank for being dicks, but it sounds like this place was only going to survive with the $13 million in tax credits they were trying to get.  The bank fought them on the credits and they folded and sold.
 
2013-05-19 03:04:31 PM
This is the world Republicans want for all of us - the best small government money can buy. Can't afford to fight? Well, you're not God's chosen.

When Republicans refer to "small government", they're referring to resources, not size - a "big government" can fight the rich and win, because a "big government" has the resources to do so. A "small government" has little choice but to do what the rich want, because the rich have the resources to ensure that their will is done. This is a lovely example of what Republicans call "small government."

Couple that with "prosperity gospel," and you now know why so many Christians are right-wing - money makes you one of God's chosen. If you're rich, you must be morally superior, because God has given you so much in return for your actions. The bank is clearly on the side of righteousness, and the battered women's shelter clearly on the side of immorality, so the bank feels no shame in calling them "recovering prostitutes" - he's the one, after all, doing God's work, as evinced by his bulging bank account. Besides, a new building in a neighborhood more befitting their lowly station is being provided for them, at their cost - it's as God wills it.

Protesting isn't enough. People need to pull their money out of this bank. Revocation of prosperity is the only tool the rich understand, especially the religious rich.
 
2013-05-19 03:04:41 PM

Anderson's Pooper: Western and Southern are being pricks for throwing their weight around.  However, after reading the actual article, it seems that some of the women currently residing there are, in fact, recovering prostitutes.  I hope they get continuing help in their recovery whether here or at the new place.


Yes, which makes publicizing their prostitute past for financial gain totally cool.
 
2013-05-19 03:06:58 PM

rugman11: Blame the bank for being dicks, but it sounds like this place was only going to survive with the $13 million in tax credits they were trying to get.  The bank fought them on the credits and they folded and sold.


So they wouldn't have gotten their tax credits anyway?  That was the bank's entire strategy. They made sure it wouldn't survive.
 
2013-05-19 03:08:26 PM

grunthos: You know, the headline tries to make us hate the bank CEO because he refers to the women as "recovering prostitutes"... but in fact, they are recovering prostitutes, at least the ones they interviewed in TFA.

Believe me, there is no love here for goddamn bankers. But, there are billions of true and accurate reasons to hate them, it's a waste of energy and a distraction to create any more.


"Gee, a subset of battered women are recovering prostitutes, so I can use that brush on all of them! There's no difference between a homeless woman beaten for fun, or an ex-wife hiding from her stalking ex-husband/psychopath, or a woman trying to get out of prostitution after being stabbed by her pimp, after all - and all of those biatches are sitting on prime real estate, too!"

What in the hell is wrong with you people?
 
2013-05-19 03:08:45 PM
Why does everyone keep saying bank when it's an insurance group? I work for a bank and we get enough bad press on our own thank you very much.
 
2013-05-19 03:08:59 PM

doyner: rugman11: Blame the bank for being dicks, but it sounds like this place was only going to survive with the $13 million in tax credits they were trying to get.  The bank fought them on the credits and they folded and sold.

So they wouldn't have gotten their tax credits anyway?  That was the bank's entire strategy. They made sure it wouldn't survive.


But the article says the tax credits were for renovations.  Why couldn't they just keep the place running as is?  Why were the only options tax credits or sell?
 
2013-05-19 03:10:20 PM

PawisBetlog: Why does everyone keep saying bank when it's an insurance group? I work for a bank and we get enough bad press on our own thank you very much.


My bad. "Banker" sounds closer to "asshole", these days, than "insurer", although you are right in that both are typically assholes lately.
 
2013-05-19 03:10:27 PM

Arthur Jumbles: You know..... if more CEO's were murdered for acting like dicks I think we'd have a better society. When will we get our own  Reign of Terror? I'll make the popcorn.


John F. Kennedy -Those who make peaceful change impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.,
 
2013-05-19 03:10:32 PM

rugman11: Why couldn't they just keep the place running as is?


I dunno...but it is a 100 year-old building.  They do require renovations from time to time to remain functional.
 
2013-05-19 03:10:51 PM
"This truly is a win for everyone and will make Lytle Park a destination like no other," Barrett said in a Monday news release announcing the Anna Louise sale.

Yes everyone but the women you're displacing. That word just doesn't seem to mean what you think it means you cock-biter.
 
2013-05-19 03:11:34 PM

TomD9938: I find it hard to believe we cant find somewhere else to warehouse these women.
[farm9.static.flickr.com image 500x375]

Wow, just wow - I really hope I missed the joke there.


"When you have that much money and you want something, eventually you're going to get it."

Well then it's a good thing so many of us lost jobs, houses and retirement savings because they'd have come for it and gotten it sooner or later . . . oh, wait
 
2013-05-19 03:13:12 PM

FormlessOne: PawisBetlog: Why does everyone keep saying bank when it's an insurance group? I work for a bank and we get enough bad press on our own thank you very much.

My bad. "Banker" sounds closer to "asshole", these days, than "insurer", although you are right in that both are typically assholes lately.


On one hand, on the other even Bankers haven't gotten the gaul to put a price tag on human life and worse try their damnedest to legally reneg on promises made to cover you in time of need.  Both are callous industries worthy of the finest of french revolutions.
 
2013-05-19 03:15:22 PM
@Formless one, replace "republicans" with "jews" or "martians" and maybe you'll see why everybody that meets you wants to get away.

He may or may not be a republican, but there is no way of knowing from the article that I can see.
 
2013-05-19 03:15:24 PM
Boutique hotel is a term meaning real estate development open.

There will be no hotel if any thing more lucrative comes along like a brothel for visitors to this Fortune 500 company.
 
2013-05-19 03:17:09 PM
I was about to expect people calling for a company boycott, but I've never heard of this company and have no idea what it does.

Why didn't the people of Cinncinati (sp?) cockpunch this bank?  I don't know which is worse, the bank's action or the community's "meh" response.
 
2013-05-19 03:18:09 PM
I will never step foot in Ohio as a result of this travesty.
 
2013-05-19 03:18:13 PM
Is it just me or does anyone else think TFA didn't give all the pertinent info.  It just doesn't add up.  I can see how the shelter would say "F no" to the initial offer, but clearly the buyers were willing to negotiate.  I get the feeling the shelter might have said "F no, at any price!"

So the buyers resorted to other tactics. But still willing to negotiate... $4M seems to be about what it was worth, maybe a little more (TFA said $1.8M was "less than half its value").  So it seems that the buyers weren't being total dicks after all, they came up from $1.8M to $4.0M.  More than 200% increase... I wish I had such negotiating power when I sold my last house.  ;-)

So they're building a new facility, apparently, which will have the virtue of being brand new, not 100 yrs old, with better facilities, layout, wiring & plumbing, etc.  The only even slight drawback they seem to be able to come up with is that it's over a mile to the nearest city park.  How about making your own park, on the premises?  I'm just not getting why all the tears and moaning about.
 
2013-05-19 03:20:31 PM
Maybe some spunky young woman can organize a carwash to save the property from the bank just as the bulldozers start rolling. Rhonda Shear can report on this.
 
2013-05-19 03:20:52 PM

anuran: John F. Kennedy -Those who make peaceful change impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.,


JFK -

"There is always inequity in life,"... Some men are killed in a war and some men are wounded, and some men never leave the country, and some men are stationed in the Antarctic and some are stationed in San Francisco. It's very hard in military or in personal life to assure complete equality. Life is unfair."
 
2013-05-19 03:21:13 PM
Awww, how sweet...capitalism in action.
 
2013-05-19 03:21:49 PM

doyner: WhippingBoy: jim32rr: FTFA: The women living at the Anna Louise will stay there until a new building for them is finished, in about two years. So what's the problem again?

Because outrage.

FTFA:  But after losing a two-year fight with a Fortune 500 company determined to buy their beautiful, 104-year-old property and turn it into a boutique hotel - even though it wasn't for sale - the women of the Anna Louise Inn have to leave the neighborhood.


So they are moving from one place where they lived for free to a new place where they will live for free ... still feel that I might be missing something. Please don't say 'emotion'
 
2013-05-19 03:22:30 PM

MBA Whore: I was about to expect people calling for a company boycott, but I've never heard of this company and have no idea what it does.

Why didn't the people of Cinncinati (sp?) cockpunch this bank?  I don't know which is worse, the bank's action or the community's "meh" response.


It was a pretty big deal around here but what WS was doing was technically legal and it didn't exactly get national attention until it was too late. The best hope we had was to shame WS into dropping the issue, but with little national attention it was a losing battle. There are plenty of pissed off Cincinnatians.
 
2013-05-19 03:24:23 PM

Bender The Offender: jim32rr: FTFA: The women living at the Anna Louise will stay there until a new building for them is finished, in about two years. So what's the problem again?

Exactly, what's the problem with exploiting the legal system to steal property from a nonprofit that doesn't want to sell? The poors should've just given their property up to their fiscal betters.

If you have to ask such a stupid farking question, you lack the moral character and human decency to understand the answer.


You sound sad, angry .... much like the women in the article. Perhaps we could find new, more comfortable shelter for you
 
2013-05-19 03:24:30 PM
@Wodan11, good point. When they offered $1.8M that was probably the value MINUS the *required by law to bring up to code improvements* that had not been performed on this structure because it was over 100 freaking years old.

They ended up offering $4M but are going to take a bath on the restoration/bulldozing. Sounds like the gals that ran the place got a pretty sweet deal. If I tried to sell my house and it had 100 year old wiring and plumbing, you can bet I'd take a hit on the price.

These gals got a damn good deal! Hell, they probably wouldn't have to move if they'd been keeping the place up.... if only they'd had a man around to do chores etc.
 
2013-05-19 03:24:54 PM

BumpInTheNight: On one hand, on the other even Bankers haven't gotten the gaul to put a price tag on human life and worse try their damnedest to legally reneg on promises made to cover you in time of need. Both are callous industries worthy of the finest of french revolutions.


You need a Julius Caesar to truly get the Gaul.
 
2013-05-19 03:25:13 PM
Looks like the Colbert Report has its Tuesday's first segment.
 
2013-05-19 03:26:55 PM

jim32rr: So they are moving from one place where they lived for free to a new place where they will live for free ... still feel that I might be missing something. Please don't say 'emotion'


So, an insurance group decides to do some legal shenanigans to acquire your homestead, and after a involved legal battle you get to move from one house to another in a worse location for free. I'm sure you'd be okay with that, because, hey, free house!
 
2013-05-19 03:28:00 PM

Wodan11: Is it just me or does anyone else think TFA didn't give all the pertinent info.  It just doesn't add up.  I can see how the shelter would say "F no" to the initial offer, but clearly the buyers were willing to negotiate.  I get the feeling the shelter might have said "F no, at any price!"

So the buyers resorted to other tactics. But still willing to negotiate... $4M seems to be about what it was worth, maybe a little more (TFA said $1.8M was "less than half its value").  So it seems that the buyers weren't being total dicks after all, they came up from $1.8M to $4.0M.  More than 200% increase... I wish I had such negotiating power when I sold my last house.  ;-)

So they're building a new facility, apparently, which will have the virtue of being brand new, not 100 yrs old, with better facilities, layout, wiring & plumbing, etc.  The only even slight drawback they seem to be able to come up with is that it's over a mile to the nearest city park.  How about making your own park, on the premises?  I'm just not getting why all the tears and moaning about.


Oh, I dunno, maybe it had something to do with being forced to sell something that wasn't for sale.
 
2013-05-19 03:28:23 PM

Sim Tree: Whenever I see an ethically questionable company, such as BoA or Walmart, try to buy a new image with signs that say 'we spend $4m on local causes', I can think of these sorts of things.


And what really chaps my backside is knowing that customers are being guilt tripped into contributing every time they go through the check-out lanes.
 
2013-05-19 03:29:56 PM
Wodan11:I'm just not getting why all the tears and moaning about.

It doesn't matter if they did get a reasonable deal in the long run. The problem is, they have NO OBLIGATION to sell, but the asshole company forced them to do so anyway. And given that the assholes managed to drag out the legal battle until they literally couldn't afford to continue fighting, I highly doubt that they actually did get a better deal in the end than the original insulting offer. 1.8m and no legal bills, or 4m but several mil spent fighting? Either way, the company has no right to force ANYONE to part with property that they own and are not interested in selling. It's not the compensation that's the issue. It's the assholes with money using their deep pockets to illegally strongarm people off their own land.
 
2013-05-19 03:30:18 PM

Wodan11: Is it just me or does anyone else think TFA didn't give all the pertinent info.  It just doesn't add up.  I can see how the shelter would say "F no" to the initial offer, but clearly the buyers were willing to negotiate.  I get the feeling the shelter might have said "F no, at any price!"

So the buyers resorted to other tactics. But still willing to negotiate... $4M seems to be about what it was worth, maybe a little more (TFA said $1.8M was "less than half its value").  So it seems that the buyers weren't being total dicks after all, they came up from $1.8M to $4.0M.  More than 200% increase... I wish I had such negotiating power when I sold my last house.  ;-)

So they're building a new facility, apparently, which will have the virtue of being brand new, not 100 yrs old, with better facilities, layout, wiring & plumbing, etc.  The only even slight drawback they seem to be able to come up with is that it's over a mile to the nearest city park.  How about making your own park, on the premises?  I'm just not getting why all the tears and moaning about.


The bank basically bullied them into selling when they didn't want to. And the new facility is in a much rougher part of town which will make it much harder for some of these women to break their habits and actually recover.

So, yeah, really dick move.
 
2013-05-19 03:31:24 PM

theorellior: BumpInTheNight: On one hand, on the other even Bankers haven't gotten the gaul to put a price tag on human life and worse try their damnedest to legally reneg on promises made to cover you in time of need. Both are callous industries worthy of the finest of french revolutions.

You need a Julius Caesar to truly get the Gaul.




Asterix and Obelix kept him from getting all of Gaul.
 
2013-05-19 03:32:51 PM
12 million in tax credits? Wouldn't a charity be tax exempt and not have a use for tax credits? I think there is more to the story here.

Also, this has nothing to with free markets or capitalism.
 
2013-05-19 03:33:05 PM
BizarreMan: Talk about a dick move.

Better solution would have been to join the board of the shelter and help with the renovation of the building and then offer job training and opportunities to the residents. by offering ARM loans at a "reasonable" initial rate. Then, make sure the center can't repay the loans and foreclose.

Isn't that how it is supposed to work?
 
2013-05-19 03:33:36 PM

cherryl taggart: Sim Tree: Whenever I see an ethically questionable company, such as BoA or Walmart, try to buy a new image with signs that say 'we spend $4m on local causes', I can think of these sorts of things.

And what really chaps my backside is knowing that customers are being guilt tripped into contributing every time they go through the check-out lanes.


The word 'No' works just fine for me and the checkout girl doesn't give a crap.
 
2013-05-19 03:35:16 PM

Wodan11: Is it just me or does anyone else think TFA didn't give all the pertinent info.  It just doesn't add up.  I can see how the shelter would say "F no" to the initial offer, but clearly the buyers were willing to negotiate.  I get the feeling the shelter might have said "F no, at any price!"

So the buyers resorted to other tactics. But still willing to negotiate... $4M seems to be about what it was worth, maybe a little more (TFA said $1.8M was "less than half its value").  So it seems that the buyers weren't being total dicks after all, they came up from $1.8M to $4.0M.  More than 200% increase... I wish I had such negotiating power when I sold my last house.  ;-)

So they're building a new facility, apparently, which will have the virtue of being brand new, not 100 yrs old, with better facilities, layout, wiring & plumbing, etc.  The only even slight drawback they seem to be able to come up with is that it's over a mile to the nearest city park.  How about making your own park, on the premises?  I'm just not getting why all the tears and moaning about.


So, when the initial answer was "No" the bank should have just let it go.  But they did not.  Instead they sued them into submission.  Not sure why you are fine with this.
 
2013-05-19 03:35:26 PM

BumpInTheNight: FormlessOne: PawisBetlog: Why does everyone keep saying bank when it's an insurance group? I work for a bank and we get enough bad press on our own thank you very much.

My bad. "Banker" sounds closer to "asshole", these days, than "insurer", although you are right in that both are typically assholes lately.

On one hand, on the other even Bankers haven't gotten the gaul to put a price tag on human life and worse try their damnedest to legally reneg on promises made to cover you in time of need.  Both are callous industries worthy of the finest of french revolutions.


Uh, this is a side issue, but putting a price tag on human life is another way of saying "life insurance."  I bought one so that my child would have money if I die.
 
2013-05-19 03:36:46 PM

GameSprocket: BizarreMan: Talk about a dick move.

Better solution would have been to join the board of the shelter and help with the renovation of the building and then offer job training and opportunities to the residents. by offering ARM loans at a "reasonable" initial rate. Then, make sure the center can't repay the loans and foreclose.

Isn't that how it is supposed to work?


No, they are supposed to bribe the town councilmen to claim the property for development under "eminent domain", then acquire it for a much-reduced price.
 
2013-05-19 03:38:35 PM
If any of the women are disabled then they can always get jobs taking the kids of the CEO to the head of the line at Disney World
 
2013-05-19 03:38:45 PM

jim32rr: Bender The Offender: jim32rr: FTFA: The women living at the Anna Louise will stay there until a new building for them is finished, in about two years. So what's the problem again?

Exactly, what's the problem with exploiting the legal system to steal property from a nonprofit that doesn't want to sell? The poors should've just given their property up to their fiscal betters.

If you have to ask such a stupid farking question, you lack the moral character and human decency to understand the answer.

You sound sad, angry .... much like the women in the article. Perhaps we could find new, more comfortable shelter for you


Thanks for proving my point. You think it's funny to make jokes at the expense of the neediest people in our society. Poverty, abuse, deprivation, and all of the horrors that go along with it are the meat of comic genius like yourself. If you want to find me a new shelter to volunteer in, you're more than welcome to. I already provide basic healthcare services for 3 in the area, but if you know of another, I'm more than willing to offer up more of my time. Our practices provides over $100k a month in free services and we are always willing to help out where we can. Oh, did you think it would be shameful to attend a shelter? do you think there's something inherently insulting about people in need? Of course you did, or course you did. You're a real class act, right from your own pathetic attempts at wit, we can all see what a decent and classy person you are.
 
2013-05-19 03:39:32 PM
For a truly blood boiling perspective, here is an interview with the CEO concerning this "deal":
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130513/BIZ/305130143/John-Barre tt -Q-How-Anna-Louise-deal-got-done
 
2013-05-19 03:42:32 PM
shiat like this is why I just cant be a fiscal conservative. Im not evil enough to root for a asshole like this.
 
2013-05-19 03:44:14 PM

jehovahs witness protection: ZAZ: Those women must be tough to live to 100 despite being battered.

/DNRTFA

If you don't better them they dry up as soon as you dip em in grease.


The Tempura House - for lightly battered women.
 
2013-05-19 03:46:12 PM

jim32rr: doyner: WhippingBoy: jim32rr: FTFA: The women living at the Anna Louise will stay there until a new building for them is finished, in about two years. So what's the problem again?

Because outrage.

FTFA:  But after losing a two-year fight with a Fortune 500 company determined to buy their beautiful, 104-year-old property and turn it into a boutique hotel - even though it wasn't for sale - the women of the Anna Louise Inn have to leave the neighborhood.

So they are moving from one place where they lived for free to a new place where they will live for free ... still feel that I might be missing something. Please don't say 'emotion'


So I can take anything from you that you love so long as I give you back something similar?

Oh, I'm sorry.  Love is an emotion.  I guess you win.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-05-19 03:47:48 PM
PunGent

The neighbors in the case you linked lost in the Supreme Court because they did not have standing as taxpayers to challenge the city's tax policies as applied to others. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DaimlerChrysler_Corp._v._Cuno.
 
2013-05-19 03:47:51 PM

corn-bread: For a truly blood boiling perspective, here is an interview with the CEO concerning this "deal":
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130513/BIZ/305130143/John-Barre tt -Q-How-Anna-Louise-deal-got-done


Wow, gotta love those two 'top commenter' comments at the ass of the thread for it too, if there was ever more obvious attempts to astroturf I have yet to see them.  Meanwhile the softball interviewer
Cincinatti.com's Josh Pichler should be ashamed of himself for handing this asshole those questions the way he did.
 
2013-05-19 03:48:10 PM
Wow banks sure are in favor of regulations when they can use them as legal justification to obstruct the business of the property they want in an effort to force a sale.

We like to taut our legal system as the best in the world but this is a reminder that it has serious flaws and people, organizations, and governments will never stop trying to exploit the system to further their own goals.
 
2013-05-19 03:49:45 PM

jim32rr: doyner: WhippingBoy: jim32rr: FTFA: The women living at the Anna Louise will stay there until a new building for them is finished, in about two years. So what's the problem again?

Because outrage.

FTFA:  But after losing a two-year fight with a Fortune 500 company determined to buy their beautiful, 104-year-old property and turn it into a boutique hotel - even though it wasn't for sale - the women of the Anna Louise Inn have to leave the neighborhood.

So they are moving from one place where they lived for free to a new place where they will live for free ... still feel that I might be missing something. Please don't say 'emotion'


My understanding is that it will be "equivalent value" to the existing building. If a 100 year old shelter is worth $1.8m, how big a modern shelter will $1.8m get? It will either be MUCH smaller, or be in a crack neighborhood.
 
2013-05-19 03:50:20 PM

Mock26: Wodan11: Is it just me or does anyone else think TFA didn't give all the pertinent info.  It just doesn't add up.  I can see how the shelter would say "F no" to the initial offer, but clearly the buyers were willing to negotiate.  I get the feeling the shelter might have said "F no, at any price!"

So the buyers resorted to other tactics. But still willing to negotiate... $4M seems to be about what it was worth, maybe a little more (TFA said $1.8M was "less than half its value").  So it seems that the buyers weren't being total dicks after all, they came up from $1.8M to $4.0M.  More than 200% increase... I wish I had such negotiating power when I sold my last house.  ;-)

So they're building a new facility, apparently, which will have the virtue of being brand new, not 100 yrs old, with better facilities, layout, wiring & plumbing, etc.  The only even slight drawback they seem to be able to come up with is that it's over a mile to the nearest city park.  How about making your own park, on the premises?  I'm just not getting why all the tears and moaning about.

So, when the initial answer was "No" the bank should have just let it go.  But they did not.  Instead they sued them into submission.  Not sure why you are fine with this.


Free market in action.

What are you, a commie?
 
2013-05-19 03:50:26 PM
 
2013-05-19 03:53:17 PM

jim32rr: doyner: WhippingBoy: jim32rr: FTFA: The women living at the Anna Louise will stay there until a new building for them is finished, in about two years. So what's the problem again?

Because outrage.

FTFA:  But after losing a two-year fight with a Fortune 500 company determined to buy their beautiful, 104-year-old property and turn it into a boutique hotel - even though it wasn't for sale - the women of the Anna Louise Inn have to leave the neighborhood.

So they are moving from one place where they lived for free to a new place where they will live for free ... still feel that I might be missing something. Please don't say 'emotion'



How about not being forced to sell your property and move if you don't want to?  Does that work for ya?
 
2013-05-19 03:55:28 PM
Fark: advocating domestic terrorism one human interest story at a time.
 
2013-05-19 03:58:47 PM

super_grass: Fark: advocating domestic terrorism one human interest story at a time.


Everyone on the side of the American patriots during the Revolutionary War were terrorists. Daughters of the American Revolution are just like Al Quaeda. George Washington is Osama Bin Laden. Jesus loves pretzels.
 
2013-05-19 03:58:48 PM

BumpInTheNight: corn-bread: For a truly blood boiling perspective, here is an interview with the CEO concerning this "deal":
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130513/BIZ/305130143/John-Barre tt -Q-How-Anna-Louise-deal-got-done

Wow, gotta love those two 'top commenter' comments at the ass of the thread for it too, if there was ever more obvious attempts to astroturf I have yet to see them.  Meanwhile the softball interviewer
Cincinatti.com's Josh Pichler should be ashamed of himself for handing this asshole those questions the way he did.



Right?  Talk about your cream puff interviews.  The interviewer might as well have jumped on the table and offered Barret his virgin starfish while he was at it.
I'm wondering which affiliated companies those two commenters work for.
 
2013-05-19 04:01:27 PM

jim32rr: FTFA: The women living at the Anna Louise will stay there until a new building for them is finished, in about two years. So what's the problem again?


Read the rest of the paragraph, genius.
 
2013-05-19 04:03:25 PM

rustypouch: Mock26: Wodan11: Is it just me or does anyone else think TFA didn't give all the pertinent info.  It just doesn't add up.  I can see how the shelter would say "F no" to the initial offer, but clearly the buyers were willing to negotiate.  I get the feeling the shelter might have said "F no, at any price!"

So the buyers resorted to other tactics. But still willing to negotiate... $4M seems to be about what it was worth, maybe a little more (TFA said $1.8M was "less than half its value").  So it seems that the buyers weren't being total dicks after all, they came up from $1.8M to $4.0M.  More than 200% increase... I wish I had such negotiating power when I sold my last house.  ;-)

So they're building a new facility, apparently, which will have the virtue of being brand new, not 100 yrs old, with better facilities, layout, wiring & plumbing, etc.  The only even slight drawback they seem to be able to come up with is that it's over a mile to the nearest city park.  How about making your own park, on the premises?  I'm just not getting why all the tears and moaning about.

So, when the initial answer was "No" the bank should have just let it go.  But they did not.  Instead they sued them into submission.  Not sure why you are fine with this.

Free market in action.

What are you, a commie?


Nope.  Just a decent human being.
 
2013-05-19 04:03:25 PM

JWideman: jim32rr: doyner: WhippingBoy: jim32rr: FTFA: The women living at the Anna Louise will stay there until a new building for them is finished, in about two years. So what's the problem again?

Because outrage.

FTFA:  But after losing a two-year fight with a Fortune 500 company determined to buy their beautiful, 104-year-old property and turn it into a boutique hotel - even though it wasn't for sale - the women of the Anna Louise Inn have to leave the neighborhood.

So they are moving from one place where they lived for free to a new place where they will live for free ... still feel that I might be missing something. Please don't say 'emotion'

My understanding is that it will be "equivalent value" to the existing building. If a 100 year old shelter is worth $1.8m, how big a modern shelter will $1.8m get? It will either be MUCH smaller, or be in a crack neighborhood.


Both.

This kind of shenanigans was real popular throughout most of the 20th century to remove undesirables.  I can name five different parks in Atlanta that were built on the bones of black servant settlements.  The servants weren't needed anymore, so lets displace them into our fresh public housing projects.  Then some of them rose in value, so they destroyed them and moved the residents again...
 
2013-05-19 04:03:32 PM
If thats the place with batterd women. Than where do they go to get deep fried?
 
2013-05-19 04:07:24 PM
At least those women are used to being beaten.
 
2013-05-19 04:08:49 PM
The Ann Louis Inn would make a lovely boutique hotel:

www.citybeat.com
 
2013-05-19 04:12:29 PM
Welcome to America. You are all peasants.
 
2013-05-19 04:13:30 PM
So you can force people to sell what isn't for sale? WTF?
 
2013-05-19 04:13:33 PM
All's well that ends well, according to the operators of the Ann Louise Inn:

http://www.cinunionbethel.org/index.php/the-latest-on-the-anna-louis e- inn


"We learned recently that a piece of property has become available.  Rather than move our residents into an existing building that may or may not be configured the way we need it to be, now our residents will move into a brand new space with larger living areas and amenities that would not have been possible even in a renovated Anna Louise Inn."
 
2013-05-19 04:14:19 PM
Its things like this that make me wish there was an afterlife. Just to watch these coonts get what is coming to them.
 
2013-05-19 04:18:03 PM

BumpInTheNight: So Western & Southern Insurance Group legally beats up women's shelters.  Everyone should remember Western & Southern Insurance Group calls women recovering prostitutes.


CEO John F Barrett of Western & Southern Insurance Group
he calls battered women "recovering prostitutes"



/Btw, props to whoever added this incident to his wiki bio, its good to ensure people are remembered for their actions.


Hey if employers think its cool to check out your past online. And hold drunk facebook posts against ya.

why shouldnt the job creators also be subject to the same "public record"

fark this asshole
 
2013-05-19 04:18:26 PM

PawisBetlog: Why does everyone keep saying bank when it's an insurance group? I work for a bank and we get enough bad press on our own thank you very much.


It's typically referred to as the FIRE sector - Finance, Insurance, Real Estate - because their business models are so closely intertwined.
 
2013-05-19 04:19:15 PM

doglover: So you can force people to sell what isn't for sale? WTF?


Nobody was forced to sell.  The inn wanted an updated facility.  The corporation blocked renovation on a zoning violation.  The inn found another way to get an updated facility that involved selling the old one.  The inn could have just stayed the way it was.
 
2013-05-19 04:19:38 PM
@BarkingUnicorn, see what a little homework will do. Like I said in my previous posts, it sounds like a win-win for everybody. They were not bullied into selling, but rather negotiated a settlement that was a win for everyone.

My house needs a LOT of work. I can't afford new floors and a new roof right now. If someone came up to me and offered the value minus the repairs, and I said "NO"...then negotiated the actual appraised value, and time to live in it while I got my new digs lined up..

I'd be saying I made a hell of a deal and would be grateful to the sucker buyer.
 
2013-05-19 04:20:20 PM
Were I one of the displaced residents, I'd find a way to ensure a scorching bedbug infestation once the hotel got up and running.
 
2013-05-19 04:24:56 PM

grunthos: @BarkingUnicorn, see what a little homework will do. Like I said in my previous posts, it sounds like a win-win for everybody. They were not bullied into selling, but rather negotiated a settlement that was a win for everyone.

My house needs a LOT of work. I can't afford new floors and a new roof right now. If someone came up to me and offered the value minus the repairs, and I said "NO"...then negotiated the actual appraised value, and time to live in it while I got my new digs lined up..

I'd be saying I made a hell of a deal and would be grateful to the sucker buyer.


The new plan requires $6 million less in tax credits, plus a tax-generating hotel and/or condo complex on the site.  City wins, federal taxpayers win, corporation wins, social service wins.
 
2013-05-19 04:25:15 PM

doyner: Anderson's Pooper: Western and Southern are being pricks for throwing their weight around.  However, after reading the actual article, it seems that some of the women currently residing there are, in fact, recovering prostitutes.  I hope they get continuing help in their recovery whether here or at the new place.

Yes, which makes publicizing their prostitute past for financial gain totally cool.


Kind of like the author did?
 
2013-05-19 04:25:59 PM

anuran: Arthur Jumbles: You know..... if more CEO's were murdered for acting like dicks I think we'd have a better society. When will we get our own  Reign of Terror? I'll make the popcorn.

John F. Kennedy -Those who make peaceful change impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.,


+1
 
2013-05-19 04:28:24 PM

ZAZ: Those women must be tough to live to 100 despite being battered.


Battering seals in the juices.
 
2013-05-19 04:28:38 PM

Jack_Knopf: doyner: Anderson's Pooper: Western and Southern are being pricks for throwing their weight around.  However, after reading the actual article, it seems that some of the women currently residing there are, in fact, recovering prostitutes.  I hope they get continuing help in their recovery whether here or at the new place.

Yes, which makes publicizing their prostitute past for financial gain totally cool.

Kind of like the author did?


Like all of the media has.  In fact, hookers were just one of many groups served by the inn.

http://www.citybeat.com/cincinnati/article-24137-putting_on_the_pres s. html

For Anna Louise Inn resident Beverly Chapman, the property embroiled in controversy is simply her home. Four years ago, Chapman's unemployment benefits from her former job as a tool and die maker expired, leaving her to face eviction from her residence.

Being a couple of years too young for Social Security, Chapman says her doctor's recommendation to seek help from the Inn was a godsend because she had nowhere else to turn. At 64, Chapman says she's not the typical resident, but there really are no typical residents, as the Inn houses retired IRS workers, women who served in the Iraq War and other women of all ages who have come in through various programs.
 
2013-05-19 04:29:23 PM
i.qkme.me
 
2013-05-19 04:29:26 PM
I googled the greedy company. I was going to their website so I could email them some nasty hate mail about what assholes they are, but their website is down. Maybe the bad PR is crashing the site, or maybe they decided to take the site down for a bit until the whole thing blows over. I hope it never blows over, and they all rot in hell for their greed and selfishness.
 
2013-05-19 04:29:50 PM
Hope and Change in action.
It gives me goosebumps!
 
2013-05-19 04:32:03 PM

corn-bread: For a truly blood boiling perspective, here is an interview with the CEO concerning this "deal":
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130513/BIZ/305130143/John-Barre tt -Q-How-Anna-Louise-deal-got-done


From the link: "Our zoning was totally infringed upon, and all those investments people make based on zoning were like, so what. So we said, 'That's not right.' And we were vindicated on that."

So, someone's fibbing. Either the Anna House was there for 100 years, doing the same thing it's been doing for 100 years, before Mr. Barrett moved in. Or the Anna house has not been doing the same thing in the same place for 100 years.

I'd like to understand how the apparent newcomer Mr. Barrett's zoning was infringed upon by a pre-existing establishment.

However, I do understand that this is not a new tactic. There is a monkey sanctuary in central Maryland. Prime real estate. Developers put up nice houses around it. And then the residents promptly began engaging the sanctuary legally in order to get it to move. So, this is a common tactic.
 
2013-05-19 04:32:10 PM

JungleBoogie: It's typically referred to as the FIRE sector - Finance, Insurance, Real Estate - because their business models are so closely intertwined.


The jokes just write themselves, don't they?
 
2013-05-19 04:32:35 PM

Repo Man: theorellior: BumpInTheNight: On one hand, on the other even Bankers haven't gotten the gaul to put a price tag on human life and worse try their damnedest to legally reneg on promises made to cover you in time of need. Both are callous industries worthy of the finest of french revolutions.

You need a Julius Caesar to truly get the Gaul.

Asterix and Obelix kept him from getting all of Gaul.


Yeah and that meth AKA magic potion.
 
2013-05-19 04:33:46 PM

rugman11: Blame the bank for being dicks, but it sounds like this place was only going to survive with the $13 million in tax credits they were trying to get.


Yep, the place wasn't economically viable. If a battered women's home can't turn a profit, the free market has decided it's not needed. End of story.
 
2013-05-19 04:34:13 PM

JungleBoogie: However, I do understand that this is not a new tactic. There is a monkey sanctuary in central Maryland. Prime real estate. Developers put up nice houses around it. And then the residents promptly began engaging the sanctuary legally in order to get it to move. So, this is a common tactic.


If I ever win powerball this is the kind of deep-pocket legal harassment I'm going to use to destroy my enemies.

The non-rich ones, that is...
 
2013-05-19 04:36:55 PM
"It's quiet, it's peaceful. Looking out here, you don't see your average thugs walking down the street. ... It's just nice to walk out and know that you're safe."

You think you deserve a safe place to get your life back together, lady? Geez, you couldn't even not get beaten by your husband!

Some people just have no idea.
 
2013-05-19 04:37:34 PM
You Fark domestic terrorists are morons. You have so much pent up rage (probably from lack of vag) that you froth at the mouth over a poorly written, obviously slanted article.

I hope some of you internet tough guys try to pull off what you're saying and wind up on the wrong end of a shotgun.
 
2013-05-19 04:38:07 PM

Wodan11: Is it just me or does anyone else think TFA didn't give all the pertinent info.  It just doesn't add up.  I can see how the shelter would say "F no" to the initial offer, but clearly the buyers were willing to negotiate.  I get the feeling the shelter might have said "F no, at any price!"

So the buyers resorted to other tactics. But still willing to negotiate... $4M seems to be about what it was worth, maybe a little more (TFA said $1.8M was "less than half its value").  So it seems that the buyers weren't being total dicks after all, they came up from $1.8M to $4.0M.  More than 200% increase... I wish I had such negotiating power when I sold my last house.  ;-)

So they're building a new facility, apparently, which will have the virtue of being brand new, not 100 yrs old, with better facilities, layout, wiring & plumbing, etc.  The only even slight drawback they seem to be able to come up with is that it's over a mile to the nearest city park.  How about making your own park, on the premises?  I'm just not getting why all the tears and moaning about.


Well, except for the fact that it's in a bad neighborhood, i.e. the sort of place where it's easier for the people the women are running from to  find them...

But hey, it's only a shelter, not like the entire point is to keep the women safe or anything.
 
2013-05-19 04:38:59 PM
Get the Bolton torturer dude...
 
2013-05-19 04:39:46 PM
I understand why the CEO wouldn't want reformed prostitutes near him.  It's hard to realize that some people have managed to recover when you're still a whore
 
2013-05-19 04:41:12 PM

Jack_Knopf: You Fark domestic terrorists are morons. You have so much pent up rage (probably from lack of vag) that you froth at the mouth over a poorly written, obviously slanted article.

I hope some of you internet tough guys try to pull off what you're saying and wind up on the wrong end of a shotgun.


Did you even read what you wrote before hitting "Add Comment?"
 
2013-05-19 04:44:15 PM

BarkingUnicorn: doglover: So you can force people to sell what isn't for sale? WTF?

Nobody was forced to sell.  The inn wanted an updated facility.  The corporation blocked renovation on a zoning violation.  The inn found another way to get an updated facility that involved selling the old one.  The inn could have just stayed the way it was.



You suck at research friendo.
There was no "block" of a zoning violation.  The trial court remanded back to the zoning board who once again (for the second time) issued a use permit and approved the expansion.

This lawsuit settled because the renovation grant money was set to expire at the end of the year and was in danger of not being available again.  Further the organization was being affected by the costs and constraints of pending litigation.  The lawsuit filed by the insurance company was heading down in flames.  But the point wasn't to win, it was to harass the non-profit into settling.

You're also myopic enough to believe that:
1) The W&S would have dropped the lawsuit if expansion plans had been scrapped; and
2) That W&S would have left them alone even if they had lost the lawsuit.
 
2013-05-19 04:44:44 PM

Vegetable Medley: Jack_Knopf: You Fark domestic terrorists are morons. You have so much pent up rage (probably from lack of vag) that you froth at the mouth over a poorly written, obviously slanted article.

I hope some of you internet tough guys try to pull off what you're saying and wind up on the wrong end of a shotgun.

Did you even read what you wrote before hitting "Add Comment?"


You know what makes excellent shotgun filling? Skittles.
 
2013-05-19 04:46:58 PM

Jack_Knopf: You Fark domestic terrorists are morons. You have so much pent up rage (probably from lack of vag) that you froth at the mouth over a poorly written, obviously slanted article.

I hope some of you internet tough guys try to pull off what you're saying and wind up on the wrong end of a shotgun.


Ahh, the masturbatory gun fantasies of the ironically stupid.
 
2013-05-19 04:50:01 PM
rense.com
 
2013-05-19 04:55:31 PM

corn-bread: BarkingUnicorn: doglover: So you can force people to sell what isn't for sale? WTF?

Nobody was forced to sell.  The inn wanted an updated facility.  The corporation blocked renovation on a zoning violation.  The inn found another way to get an updated facility that involved selling the old one.  The inn could have just stayed the way it was.


You suck at research friendo.
There was no "block" of a zoning violation.  The trial court remanded back to the zoning board who once again (for the second time) issued a use permit and approved the expansion.

This lawsuit settled because the renovation grant money was set to expire at the end of the year and was in danger of not being available again.  Further the organization was being affected by the costs and constraints of pending litigation.  The lawsuit filed by the insurance company was heading down in flames.  But the point wasn't to win, it was to harass the non-profit into settling.

You're also myopic enough to believe that:
1) The W&S would have dropped the lawsuit if expansion plans had been scrapped; and
2) That W&S would have left them alone even if they had lost the lawsuit.


Did the original zoning complaint block renovation?  Yes.  I'd rather have myopia than hallucinations.
 
2013-05-19 04:55:41 PM

JungleBoogie: corn-bread: For a truly blood boiling perspective, here is an interview with the CEO concerning this "deal":
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130513/BIZ/305130143/John-Barre tt -Q-How-Anna-Louise-deal-got-done

From the link: "Our zoning was totally infringed upon, and all those investments people make based on zoning were like, so what. So we said, 'That's not right.' And we were vindicated on that."

So, someone's fibbing. Either the Anna House was there for 100 years, doing the same thing it's been doing for 100 years, before Mr. Barrett moved in. Or the Anna house has not been doing the same thing in the same place for 100 years.

I'd like to understand how the apparent newcomer Mr. Barrett's zoning was infringed upon by a pre-existing establishment.

However, I do understand that this is not a new tactic. There is a monkey sanctuary in central Maryland. Prime real estate. Developers put up nice houses around it. And then the residents promptly began engaging the sanctuary legally in order to get it to move. So, this is a common tactic.



Here's the thing.  According to the history of the case, the zoning board *twice* issued use permits and approved plans for the property (the city was sued along with the non-profit).  So no, in the view of the city Barrett's zoning was not infringed (thus he is the liar I suppose).

Here's all you need to know about this case: W&S has several other substantial land holdings in the immediate area that they want to redevelop.  That's all.
 
2013-05-19 04:56:10 PM
corn-bread: For a truly blood boiling perspective, here is an interview with the CEO concerning this "deal":
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130513/BIZ/305130143/John-Barre tt -Q-How-Anna-Louise-deal-got-done

JungleBoogie: From the link: "Our zoning was totally infringed upon, and all those investments people make based on zoning were like, so what. So we said, 'That's not right.' And we were vindicated on that."


Another note - I'm guessing Mr. Barrett paid off the politicians who determine the area's zoning. Ultimately, for all of society, it is the politicians who write the rules. So, they bear the ultimate responsibility.

Criminals exist, whether they wear ski masks or tailored suits. The politicians are the ones who write the rules. They also write the rules of how one can become a politician, which can account for the poor quality of many of our elected leaders.
 
2013-05-19 04:58:02 PM

BarkingUnicorn: corn-bread: BarkingUnicorn: doglover: So you can force people to sell what isn't for sale? WTF?

Nobody was forced to sell.  The inn wanted an updated facility.  The corporation blocked renovation on a zoning violation.  The inn found another way to get an updated facility that involved selling the old one.  The inn could have just stayed the way it was.


You suck at research friendo.
There was no "block" of a zoning violation.  The trial court remanded back to the zoning board who once again (for the second time) issued a use permit and approved the expansion.

This lawsuit settled because the renovation grant money was set to expire at the end of the year and was in danger of not being available again.  Further the organization was being affected by the costs and constraints of pending litigation.  The lawsuit filed by the insurance company was heading down in flames.  But the point wasn't to win, it was to harass the non-profit into settling.

You're also myopic enough to believe that:
1) The W&S would have dropped the lawsuit if expansion plans had been scrapped; and
2) That W&S would have left them alone even if they had lost the lawsuit.

Did the original zoning complaint block renovation?  Yes.  I'd rather have myopia than hallucinations.


It would seem you're illiterate in addition to myopic.
The original zoning complaint was remanded to the zoning board where it was dismissed.
 
2013-05-19 04:58:49 PM

ZAZ: PunGent

The neighbors in the case you linked lost in the Supreme Court because they did not have standing as taxpayers to challenge the city's tax policies as applied to others. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DaimlerChrysler_Corp._v._Cuno.


Called it...I must be psychic :)
 
2013-05-19 05:01:13 PM
 Wow, the CEO sounds like someone who should encounter a hatchet in a dark alley with ill intentions.
 
2013-05-19 05:01:38 PM

corn-bread: For a truly blood boiling perspective, here is an interview with the CEO concerning this "deal":
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130513/BIZ/305130143/John-Barre tt -Q-How-Anna-Louise-deal-got-done


I

corn-bread: For a truly blood boiling perspective, here is an interview with the CEO concerning this "deal":
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130513/BIZ/305130143/John-Barre tt -Q-How-Anna-Louise-deal-got-done


I didn't read page 2, the douchebaggery on page 1 was enough for me. What an asshole
 
2013-05-19 05:02:42 PM
I have to admit, I don't have much use for battered women, since I just eat it raw.
 
2013-05-19 05:03:03 PM

grunthos: @BarkingUnicorn, see what a little homework will do. Like I said in my previous posts, it sounds like a win-win for everybody. They were not bullied into selling, but rather negotiated a settlement that was a win for everyone.

My house needs a LOT of work. I can't afford new floors and a new roof right now. If someone came up to me and offered the value minus the repairs, and I said "NO"...then negotiated the actual appraised value, and time to live in it while I got my new digs lined up..

I'd be saying I made a hell of a deal and would be grateful to the sucker buyer.


Yeah...you forgot to factor in time and legal fees.
 
2013-05-19 05:04:18 PM

Elegy: I have to admit, I don't have much use for battered women, since I just eat it raw.


Tastes like chicken, fish, or 8 volt batteries?
 
2013-05-19 05:06:52 PM

Jack_Knopf: You Fark domestic terrorists are morons. You have so much pent up rage (probably from lack of vag) that you froth at the mouth over a poorly written, obviously slanted article.

I hope some of you internet tough guys try to pull off what you're saying and wind up on the wrong end of a shotgun.


i.cdn.turner.com

I'm drinking in the irony here.
 
2013-05-19 05:07:11 PM

corn-bread: Here's the thing. According to the history of the case, the zoning board *twice* issued use permits and approved plans for the property (the city was sued along with the non-profit). So no, in the view of the city Barrett's zoning was not infringed (thus he is the liar I suppose).

Here's all you need to know about this case: W&S has several other substantial land holdings in the immediate area that they want to redevelop. That's all.


Makes sense. Regarding the monkey sanctuary I mentioned earlier, I said it was residents who originated the complaint, but now, based on looking at the map of the property, it was almost certainly the developer. There are multiple new houses right up against the property line of the sanctuary and they were no doubt slavering at the possibility of obtaining the sanctuary's land.
 
2013-05-19 05:07:17 PM

FunkOut: Elegy: I have to admit, I don't have much use for battered women, since I just eat it raw.

Tastes like chicken, fish, or 8 volt batteries?


8 volt batteries? What are you, some kind of pervert?
 
2013-05-19 05:07:25 PM

corn-bread: Here's the thing.  According to the history of the case, the zoning board *twice* issued use permits and approved plans for the property (the city was sued along with the non-profit).  So no, in the view of the city Barrett's zoning was not infringed (thus he is the liar I suppose).

Here's all you need to know about this case: W&S has several other substantial land holdings in the immediate area that they want to redevelop.  That's all.


Right.  We don't need to know that the city is a partner of  the inn, so the zoning board had a conflict of interest.
 
2013-05-19 05:11:11 PM

desertgeek: Two things need to be destroyed as a result of this:

- Western & Southern Insurance Group for being a bunch of dicks
- The bank executive who referred to them as "recovering prostitutes" (he should be publicly beaten in the way some of those women he's evicting probably have been)

/in my line of work, I get a lot of visits from women coming from such shelters
//they don't need another "man" treating them like shiat


If we ever have something like the French Revolution (v.2.0?) in this country, I won't feel any sympathy towards asshats like that guy as they are being lead to the guillotine ( or a firing squad).

/ this probably makes me a bad person
 
2013-05-19 05:12:51 PM

Elegy: FunkOut: Elegy: I have to admit, I don't have much use for battered women, since I just eat it raw.

Tastes like chicken, fish, or 8 volt batteries?

8 volt batteries? What are you, some kind of pervert?


Then I shan't even mention the Tesla coil. Harrumph.
 
2013-05-19 05:20:22 PM

jehovahs witness protection: jehovahs witness protection: ZAZ: Those women must be tough to live to 100 despite being battered.

/DNRTFA

If you don't batter them they dry up as soon as you dip em in grease.

FTFM


All this time I've been eating them plain, Fark.
 
KIA
2013-05-19 05:20:47 PM
Say the word slowly, then think about it. "Non-profit"
 
2013-05-19 05:22:31 PM
If you like RON PAUL, you like this. Because this is RON PAUL's America.
 
2013-05-19 05:32:33 PM
This guy's home address and bus loads of homeless.
 
2013-05-19 05:41:54 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Right. We don't need to know that the city is a partner of the inn, so the zoning board had a conflict of interest.


It's impressive how quickly you switch buckets when one develops a leak. Can't let one drop of water spill, now can we?
 
2013-05-19 05:44:13 PM

MuonNeutrino: Wodan11:I'm just not getting why all the tears and moaning about.

It doesn't matter if they did get a reasonable deal in the long run. The problem is, they have NO OBLIGATION to sell, but the asshole company forced them to do so anyway. And given that the assholes managed to drag out the legal battle until they literally couldn't afford to continue fighting, I highly doubt that they actually did get a better deal in the end than the original insulting offer. 1.8m and no legal bills, or 4m but several mil spent fighting? Either way, the company has no right to force ANYONE to part with property that they own and are not interested in selling. It's not the compensation that's the issue. It's the assholes with money using their deep pockets to illegally strongarm people off their own land.


They actually might have had an obligation to sell.  The trustees or directors of a nonprofit have a fiduciary responsibility to the mission of the organization.  If they turned down a substantial offer for an asset, they had better have had a fairly good reason beyond, "we like it here."
 
2013-05-19 05:46:54 PM

FreetardoRivera: I also want to whine on the internet and not do anything about it.


You're right. We should all deposit money with that bank just so we can take it back out because we don't like what they did.
 
2013-05-19 05:49:23 PM

Anderson's Pooper: Western and Southern are being pricks for throwing their weight around.  However, after reading the actual article, it seems that some of the women currently residing there are, in fact, recovering prostitutes.  I hope they get continuing help in their recovery whether here or at the new place.



not as likely as they're being moved into a bad neighbourhood.
 
2013-05-19 05:50:03 PM
Sorry, letting the poors win anything or have anything nicer than what the riches have or want is evil kenyan muslim usurper socialism. Rich people get what they want in this country. Go be poor somewhere else or, preferably, shut up and die.
 
2013-05-19 05:50:35 PM
The age of the inn is an incidental but significant contributor to the outrage over this story.  It's curious that we attribute additional value to things and people just because they are old.   Unusually old things and people are taken as evidence that death can be forestalled, if not avoided.  If an old thing, like this inn, is changed in any way, it no longer exists as it was and the evidence of immortality's possibility is lost.

We invent all sorts of reasons why old things and people should be preserved exactly as they are, but fundamentally they just provide hope for immortality.  There's a religious connection there, although many will deny it.
 
2013-05-19 05:52:41 PM

theorellior: BarkingUnicorn: Right. We don't need to know that the city is a partner of the inn, so the zoning board had a conflict of interest.

It's impressive how quickly you switch buckets when one develops a leak. Can't let one drop of water spill, now can we?


The meaning of your metaphor eludes me.  Someone said, "This is all you need to know" and I took issue with that.  So what?
 
2013-05-19 06:09:17 PM
John Barrett is a loathsome waste of carbon.  I wouldn't spit on him if he was on fire.
 
2013-05-19 06:11:39 PM

BarkingUnicorn: The Ann Louis Inn would make a lovely boutique hotel:


Who in the blue f*ck is going to Cincinnati to stay in a boutique hotel? Look for more skeevy tax breaks for the geniuses behind this.

No way this makes money honestly, at least giving a tax support to the women's shelter was getting some ladies off of crank, abusive husbands, and pimps. A "boutique hotel" in Cincinnati is never going to be more than a tax dodge for some fleshy pink faced loser.

Christ, what an asshole.
 
2013-05-19 06:14:38 PM

Wodan11: Is it just me or does anyone else think TFA didn't give all the pertinent info.  It just doesn't add up.  I can see how the shelter would say "F no" to the initial offer, but clearly the buyers were willing to negotiate.  I get the feeling the shelter might have said "F no, at any price!"

So the buyers resorted to other tactics. But still willing to negotiate... $4M seems to be about what it was worth, maybe a little more (TFA said $1.8M was "less than half its value").  So it seems that the buyers weren't being total dicks after all, they came up from $1.8M to $4.0M.  More than 200% increase... I wish I had such negotiating power when I sold my last house.  ;-)

So they're building a new facility, apparently, which will have the virtue of being brand new, not 100 yrs old, with better facilities, layout, wiring & plumbing, etc.  The only even slight drawback they seem to be able to come up with is that it's over a mile to the nearest city park.  How about making your own park, on the premises?  I'm just not getting why all the tears and moaning about.


WTF are you talking about? The whole point of the story is that the building was not for sale for any price. Your argument is erroneous on all accounts.
 
2013-05-19 06:15:03 PM
BumpInTheNight: (Statement referring to):
"John Barrett has a controversial history of using the company's wealth and law team to buy historical properties and renovating them into attractions for the wealthy. In 2013, he successfully oversaw the eviction of a more than 100 year old women's shelter to make way for a "boutique hotel." During the proceedings, Barrett categorized the women living in the shelter as being "recovering prostitutes."


Dayton has their own John Barrett - except with slightly more moral fiber to him, courtesy of the Marianist party school university he leads.

www.udayton.edu

Aside from the building that he's posing in, Mr. Curran isn't above using alumni to declare a historical building as non-historical, demolish it, and putting the pieces in a obscure museum.   That, and adding insult to injury, he was practically handed the former NCR World Headquarters as a perverse trophy.

The only thing that was handed back was a inconsequential field of grass across from Old River(which in turn seems to be closed long enough until the last NCR retiree dies off).
 
2013-05-19 06:19:07 PM

Bonzo_1116: BarkingUnicorn: The Ann Louis Inn would make a lovely boutique hotel:

Who in the blue f*ck is going to Cincinnati to stay in a boutique hotel? Look for more skeevy tax breaks for the geniuses behind this.

No way this makes money honestly, at least giving a tax support to the women's shelter was getting some ladies off of crank, abusive husbands, and pimps. A "boutique hotel" in Cincinnati is never going to be more than a tax dodge for some fleshy pink faced loser.

Christ, what an asshole.


I don't know the area, but I assume the people planning a hotel do.  There's also mention of condos.  Barrett doesn't seem like the kind of idiot who spends $1 to save a few cents in taxes.  Instead, he preys upon such idiots.
 
2013-05-19 06:19:57 PM
Btw, for all the ragers so far about this: Have you ever donated time or money to a battered women's shelter? If not, this guy has done 4 million things more than you have to help these gals.
 
2013-05-19 06:20:09 PM
Company CEO John Barrett has long said it was time for the women at the Anna Louise to leave the neighborhood to make way for economic development. He plans to turn the building into a boutique hotel and envisions transforming the neighborhood into a hub of activity with restaurants and bars.
"This truly is a win for everyone and will make Lytle Park a destination like no other," Barrett said in a Monday news release announcing the Anna Louise sale.

Barrett, who has repeatedly declined requests for an interview, has become a loathed figure at the Anna Louise, not only for his tireless efforts to acquire the property but also for the way he has talked about the women living there, repeatedly referring to them as recovering prostitutes and saying they just don't belong in the neighborhood.



farm4.staticflickr.com

makes me f--king hope that Hell exists someplace other than Michigan.
 
2013-05-19 06:22:11 PM

keypusher: desertgeek: Two things need to be destroyed as a result of this:

- Western & Southern Insurance Group for being a bunch of dicks
- The bank executive who referred to them as "recovering prostitutes" (he should be publicly beaten in the way some of those women he's evicting probably have been)

/in my line of work, I get a lot of visits from women coming from such shelters
//they don't need another "man" treating them like shiat

I guess no one read TFA, including subby.

[Evil executive], who has repeatedly declined requests for an interview, has become a loathed figure at the Anna Louise, not only for his tireless efforts to acquire the property but also for the way he has talked about the women living there, repeatedly referring to them as recovering prostitutes and saying they just don't belong in the neighborhood.
"That hurt. To be categorized," said Sherene Julian, 48, who escaped decades of drug addiction and prostitution when she moved to the Anna Louise. "It made me feel that I was lesser than."

jim32rr: FTFA: The women living at the Anna Louise will stay there until a new building for them is finished, in about two years. So what's the problem again?

FTA:

The historic downtown Cincinnati neighborhood where the women live, known as Lytle Park, became an important part of their recovery, since most were coming from dangerous parts of the city where it'd be easier to slip back into their former ways of life.

and

Under the deal with Western & Southern, the women living at the Anna Louise will stay there until a new building for them is finished, in about two years. It will be located in a shabby neighborhood on a busy street 2 miles north of where they are now. The nearest park is a 1.5-mile walk away, over a freeway.


First off, the house is being forced to close due to legal costs, not because any judicial authority agreed with Barret's assessment, so obviously his claims in that regard weren't convincing which raises the question of why you feel the need to defend them.

Secondly, that one woman there is a recovering prostitute does not mean every woman who ever went through their doors was also an ex-prostitute.

Thirdly, why would a woman trying to get out of an abusive relationship tied to prostitution be undeserving of help in doing so? Why would an organization that provides such services be a public eye-sore, rather than a source of civic pride? Why do you think personally that the past employment of these women is more important than the violence done to them, by the past men in their lives or by this current bully with a checkbook?

Categorizing a safe-house for battered women as a place filled with "recovering prostitutes" willfully misrepresents the purpose of said building. As such, the argument that he was technically correct doesn't fly, because by choosing that description Barret was choosing to describe the building inaccurately; through the previous employment of some of its inhabitants rather than through its purpose for being there. A person who is willfully being inaccurate cannot, by definition, intent rectitude. If he wasn't making the statements in the interests of honesty, then why was he making them? I'd say it's possible he was doing so as an act of slander; classifying all the women there as "recovering prostitutes" in the hopes that by doing so he might sway the judge to kicked them out on the weight of their presumed low-character. That's what you're defending here; a man calling a house full of battered women sluts for having the gall to open their doors to abused hookers as well, in the hopes of getting them evicted. Is that really something you want to be standing up for?
 
2013-05-19 06:23:41 PM

indarwinsshadow: Chariset: Hey, the right of the wealthy to make money off the backs of the poor should not be infringed, not even an eensy weensy bit.

Why do you hate America?

Because it's broken and no one know's how to repair it anymore.


America is farked.
 
2013-05-19 06:25:22 PM

jim32rr: FTFA: The women living at the Anna Louise will stay there until a new building for them is finished, in about two years. So what's the problem again?


Nothing you would understand, so go back to sleep.
 
2013-05-19 06:27:29 PM

Cataholic: MuonNeutrino: Wodan11:I'm just not getting why all the tears and moaning about.

It doesn't matter if they did get a reasonable deal in the long run. The problem is, they have NO OBLIGATION to sell, but the asshole company forced them to do so anyway. And given that the assholes managed to drag out the legal battle until they literally couldn't afford to continue fighting, I highly doubt that they actually did get a better deal in the end than the original insulting offer. 1.8m and no legal bills, or 4m but several mil spent fighting? Either way, the company has no right to force ANYONE to part with property that they own and are not interested in selling. It's not the compensation that's the issue. It's the assholes with money using their deep pockets to illegally strongarm people off their own land.

They actually might have had an obligation to sell.  The trustees or directors of a nonprofit have a fiduciary responsibility to the mission of the organization.  If they turned down a substantial offer for an asset, they had better have had a fairly good reason beyond, "we like it here."


Not all interests of a board of directors are fiduciary......*especially * at a non profit.

I'm not even a Christian, but at some point some things are more important than money.
 
2013-05-19 06:28:22 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: M

akes me f--king hope that Hell exists someplace other than Michigan.

After Snyder and friends were installed in office, Hell's boundary now includes the entire state.
 
2013-05-19 06:29:22 PM
 
2013-05-19 06:35:45 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Bonzo_1116: BarkingUnicorn: The Ann Louis Inn would make a lovely boutique hotel:

Who in the blue f*ck is going to Cincinnati to stay in a boutique hotel? Look for more skeevy tax breaks for the geniuses behind this.

No way this makes money honestly, at least giving a tax support to the women's shelter was getting some ladies off of crank, abusive husbands, and pimps. A "boutique hotel" in Cincinnati is never going to be more than a tax dodge for some fleshy pink faced loser.

Christ, what an asshole.

I don't know the area, but I assume the people planning a hotel do.  There's also mention of condos.  Barrett doesn't seem like the kind of idiot who spends $1 to save a few cents in taxes.  Instead, he preys upon such idiots.


San Diego has been doing the redevelopment dance with assholes like this for decades...but this is an actual tourist destination. I'll eat my dirty underwear if Cincinnati can say the same.

It's a truly fragrant vintage of bullshiat.
 
2013-05-19 06:36:47 PM

jim32rr: FTFA: The women living at the Anna Louise will stay there until a new building for them is finished, in about two years. So what's the problem again?


The problem is that the new location is in a much worse neighborhood, and not directly across a park.
 
2013-05-19 06:41:38 PM
Who am I kidding...now that I think about it, there should be some taint-garglers along any minute celebrating how illegals cleaning boutique hotel toilets for less than minimum wage is a jobs win for the city.
 
2013-05-19 06:44:30 PM
The biggest issue here that ya'll seem to be ignoring, is Lytle Park is practically at the front door of the present location of the Anna Louise Inn. It is a beautiful park. The closest park to the new location of the Inn is almost a mile and a half away, over a freeway, to boot. That is an awfully long walk for these women to make just to shoot up in a nice setting with benches.
 
2013-05-19 06:48:32 PM
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jonathunder/Maxwell

It's been done before.
 
2013-05-19 07:06:45 PM
I'm pretty sure this was an A-Team episode.
 
2013-05-19 07:11:39 PM

grunthos: Btw, for all the ragers so far about this: Have you ever donated time or money to a battered women's shelter? If not, this guy has done 4 million things more than you have to help these gals.


I supply them with customers. Does that count?
 
2013-05-19 07:16:21 PM
SPECIAL. PLACE.
www.beertripper.com
/exceedingly warm
 
2013-05-19 07:22:29 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Sounds like class warfare.

Oh, wait, no it's not.  The poor people got screwed, so it's OK.


Remember, boys and girls:

i578.photobucket.com

Class warfare.

i119.photobucket.com

Not class warfare.
 
2013-05-19 07:33:17 PM
It's those neckties that business men wear.
It restricts the flow of blood to their brains turning them into soulless, greedy automatons unable to feel any guilt or compassion. The same reason why politicians are such corrupt scum.
We'd have a perfect society if neckties were abolished.
 
2013-05-19 07:34:52 PM

Uzzah: All is not lost...

1. Resolve to post negative Yelp and Trip Advisor reviews of boutique hotel when it opens. It's a lot easier to destroy a new business these days than it has ever been before.
2. Picket hotel and bank endlessly.
3. Make them regret getting involved.


I'm thinking that it should not be that hard to get the place listed as a historic landmark and prevent the bank from making any changes to it
 
2013-05-19 07:37:33 PM

BumpInTheNight: So Western & Southern Insurance Group legally beats up women's shelters.  Everyone should remember Western & Southern Insurance Group calls women recovering prostitutes.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x295]
CEO John F Barrett of Western & Southern Insurance Group
he calls battered women "recovering prostitutes"

/Btw, props to whoever added this incident to his wiki bio, its good to ensure people are remembered for their actions.


Judging from his photo alone i'd say he's a toe tapper in the next stall, with a devout wife at home.
 
2013-05-19 07:41:58 PM
www.capablesoftware.com.au
Looks beautiful... a really nice place for anyone who is trying to recover from trouble... I think the CUBs got shafted.
 
2013-05-19 07:44:31 PM

UseLessHuman: Wow banks sure are in favor of regulations when they can use them as legal justification to obstruct the business of the property they want in an effort to force a sale.

We like to taut our legal system as the best in the world but this is a reminder that it has serious flaws and people, organizations, and governments will never stop trying to exploit the system to further their own goals.


===============

It's not just banks.  A retired cop that lives in the next county took great offense that people were parking cars in front of his house.  His house is near a doctor's office.   It's a public street, and there are no regulations against parking on the street during daylight hours.   He would take photos of cars parked too close to his driveway, and then file a citizen's complaint against the motorists.  Of course the local municipal court would accept his complaints and fine the drivers for blocking/impeding his driveway.  The retired cop had made dozens of complaints like this, until someone who received a summons hired a smart lawyer.

First thing the lawyer did was check the property records.  Turns out the driveway was illegally constructed.  The cop lacked permits and the variance that was required for such a driveway.  According to people who were in court at the time, the ex-cop howled like a scalded cur.

/Laws are for little people
 
2013-05-19 07:47:44 PM

cardex: Uzzah: All is not lost...

1. Resolve to post negative Yelp and Trip Advisor reviews of boutique hotel when it opens. It's a lot easier to destroy a new business these days than it has ever been before.
2. Picket hotel and bank endlessly.
3. Make them regret getting involved.

I'm thinking that it should not be that hard to get the place listed as a historic landmark and prevent the bank from making any changes to it


That...is genius.  Make is to that the farker is stuck with the old plumbing and wiring for his new wealthy clientele.  It should be a big success then.
 
2013-05-19 08:06:40 PM

rugman11: doyner: rugman11: Blame the bank for being dicks, but it sounds like this place was only going to survive with the $13 million in tax credits they were trying to get.  The bank fought them on the credits and they folded and sold.

So they wouldn't have gotten their tax credits anyway?  That was the bank's entire strategy. They made sure it wouldn't survive.

But the article says the tax credits were for renovations.  Why couldn't they just keep the place running as is?  Why were the only options tax credits or sell?


Which part of "150-year-old building" don't you understand?
 
2013-05-19 08:07:42 PM

hardinparamedic: Its things like this that make me wish there was an afterlife. Just to watch these coonts get what is coming to them.


Jeez, didn't they get it rough enough from the men in their life and the bank?
 
2013-05-19 08:16:49 PM

jim32rr: FTFA: The women living at the Anna Louise will stay there until a new building for them is finished, in about two years. So what's the problem again?


Did you read the WHOLE article. The problem is that the 'new' place will be in a crappy neighborhood, (crime, etc.)! The house has been there for over a hundred years taking care of the disadvantaged, disenfranchised, etc. and the fact that it wasn't in the crappy part of town helped the residents NOT FALL BACK INTO THEIR OLD WAYS! Gentrification only helps the rich!
 
2013-05-19 08:40:13 PM

grunthos: Btw, for all the ragers so far about this: Have you ever donated time or money to a battered women's shelter? If not, this guy has done 4 million things more than you have to help these gals.


I think Cincinnati should kick out all of these sexually discriminatory outfits and they shouldn't get a dime of government money.
 
2013-05-19 08:43:45 PM

Day_Old_Dutchie: It's those neckties that business men wear.
It restricts the flow of blood to their brains turning them into soulless, greedy automatons unable to feel any guilt or compassion. The same reason why politicians are such corrupt scum.
We'd have a perfect society if neckties were abolished.


A Mayo clinic study of knowledge workers found that neckties resulted in 15% lower productivity.  Diminished blood flow was one explanation advanced.
 
2013-05-19 08:56:17 PM

grunthos: Btw, for all the ragers so far about this: Have you ever donated time or money to a battered women's shelter? If not, this guy has done 4 million things more than you have to help these gals.


Well I know I haven't got "forced a woman's shelter into a scummy part of town because I wanted to improve the view from my office" on my list of accomplishments, so I think I've got the leg up here.  The taxes I pay (if I'd lived in Cincinnati for instance) help these sorts of organizations, well they usually do unless some dickknot comes along and cockblocks it like Western & Southern Insurance Group CEO John F Barrett did.  Did you know he calls the shelter's inhabitants recovering prostitutes?  Yah, he did.  I think I've got several legs up on him at this point.
 
2013-05-19 09:12:41 PM
What goes around.  Eminent domain as a concept was completely mutated into a monstrosity when "blight" was accepted as a cause for condemnation. (I believe the first case was 1975).  The government didn't have to buy real estate for conversion to a community park or even a thoroughfare right of way, which arguably helped everyone and was a "public use" as an ordinary man would understand it.  No, just the potential for a parcel to yield higher taxes was sufficient reason to seize it and then sell/give it to somebody else.  Remember the Kelo decision?

We the People will always ultimately get the government we deserve. [good and hard, to paraphrase Mencken].  I think a lot of this outrage should be secured, though. If a developer who owned a pristine, old-growth seaside tract of 100 acres wanted to build 200 homes on it a lot of farkers (you know who you are) would be demanding the EPA to forbid any profitable use of the land and then stomp the guy's scrotum halfway to Hong Kong without paying him a damned cent.  Gotta take the bitter with the sweet if you're gonna play that game.
 
2013-05-19 09:15:04 PM
I agree subby. Death IS too good for all those feminazi prostitutes.
 
2013-05-19 11:00:49 PM
I think a lot of this outrage should be secured, though. If a developer who owned a pristine, old-growth seaside tract of 100 acres wanted to build 200 homes on it a lot of farkers (you know who you are) would be demanding the EPA to forbid any profitable use of the land and then stomp the guy's scrotum halfway to Hong Kong without paying him a damned cent.


The chances of stopping that would be slim and none, if the developer paid off the right politicians.
 
2013-05-19 11:38:38 PM
Has anybody made a joke about battered women being deep fried? 'Cause would that ever be funny.
 
2013-05-19 11:53:11 PM
I'll say nothing, because these a--holes strike me as the kind of a--holes who troll the internets watching for Comments, Images and other invocations over their role as spawn of Satan and I cannot, right now, afford a trip through the legal system.

That said ... what's burning in your heart and that comment cooking in your brainpan? Up it ten-fold.
 
2013-05-19 11:57:24 PM

Rincewind53: It's days like this that I wish "V for Vendetta" was real.

Also, here's hoping a "mysterious fire" breaks out the day the women leave.


If a mysterious fire broke out on the day the women left, that would only benefit the developers, who would no longer need to pay for expensive demolition fees.

So if there was that kind of fire, I for one would be highly suspicious about how that fire started. Wouldn't you?
 
2013-05-20 02:41:47 AM
Can someone explain to me how anyone can "force" a sale? I mean, if you own the property, and simply refuse to sell no matter the offer, how can anyone take that property? (Except for cases of imminent domain, which this was not.) Can someone explain this to me, please? I'm being serious, by the way.
 
2013-05-20 02:54:11 AM

FormlessOne: This is the world Republicans want for all of us - the best small government money can buy. Can't afford to fight? Well, you're not God's chosen.

When Republicans refer to "small government", they're referring to resources, not size - a "big government" can fight the rich and win, because a "big government" has the resources to do so. A "small government" has little choice but to do what the rich want, because the rich have the resources to ensure that their will is done. This is a lovely example of what Republicans call "small government."

Couple that with "prosperity gospel," and you now know why so many Christians are right-wing - money makes you one of God's chosen. If you're rich, you must be morally superior, because God has given you so much in return for your actions. The bank is clearly on the side of righteousness, and the battered women's shelter clearly on the side of immorality, so the bank feels no shame in calling them "recovering prostitutes" - he's the one, after all, doing God's work, as evinced by his bulging bank account. Besides, a new building in a neighborhood more befitting their lowly station is being provided for them, at their cost - it's as God wills it.

Protesting isn't enough. People need to pull their money out of this bank. Revocation of prosperity is the only tool the rich understand, especially the religious rich.


Funny, because he's a Democrat and an Obama supporter.
 
2013-05-20 03:52:27 AM

Dadoody: Funny, because he's a Democrat and an Obama supporter.


Which is the real reason why he gets away with it.

/if the left wasn't so busy trying to project its own authoritarianism onto the right, they might have been able to things for the better
//and if feminists weren't so busy trying to make sure nobody ever says anything offensive on the internet, they might have been able to save the Anna Louise Inn
 
2013-05-20 06:12:45 AM

CornerPocket: What goes around.  Eminent domain as a concept was completely mutated into a monstrosity when "blight" was accepted as a cause for condemnation. (I believe the first case was 1975).  The government didn't have to buy real estate for conversion to a community park or even a thoroughfare right of way, which arguably helped everyone and was a "public use" as an ordinary man would understand it.  No, just the potential for a parcel to yield higher taxes was sufficient reason to seize it and then sell/give it to somebody else.  Remember the Kelo decision?

We the People will always ultimately get the government we deserve. [good and hard, to paraphrase Mencken].  I think a lot of this outrage should be secured, though. If a developer who owned a pristine, old-growth seaside tract of 100 acres wanted to build 200 homes on it a lot of farkers (you know who you are) would be demanding the EPA to forbid any profitable use of the land and then stomp the guy's scrotum halfway to Hong Kong without paying him a damned cent.  Gotta take the bitter with the sweet if you're gonna play that game.


Go sailing along the East Coast.  EPA doesn't do shiat about seaside development.  And the Supreme Court has even overturned a zoning board that tried to stop a developer from selling a residential lot that was UNDER WATER at high tide.  Spare me your "environmentalists control everything" BS.

/nothing like getting caught in a slick a half-mile offshore...of suntan lotion, from a public beach...
 
2013-05-20 06:16:15 AM

kazikian: Can someone explain to me how anyone can "force" a sale? I mean, if you own the property, and simply refuse to sell no matter the offer, how can anyone take that property? (Except for cases of imminent domain, which this was not.) Can someone explain this to me, please? I'm being serious, by the way.


Litigation is expensive.  If you have deeper pockets than your opponent, sometimes you can use that fact to force an un-just result.

(Developers CAN get screwed by this; we had a case on Cape Cod recently, guy was building out a half-dozen units, his first three buyers basically sued him long and hard enough he couldn't afford to build the remaining units, which is where you normally make your profit...and no bank would loan to him, being in the middle of a lawsuit and all.  Doesn't help that our Land Court has been understaffed for years)
 
2013-05-20 06:18:45 AM

PunGent: kazikian: Can someone explain to me how anyone can "force" a sale? I mean, if you own the property, and simply refuse to sell no matter the offer, how can anyone take that property? (Except for cases of imminent domain, which this was not.) Can someone explain this to me, please? I'm being serious, by the way.

Litigation is expensive.  If you have deeper pockets than your opponent, sometimes you can use that fact to force an un-just result.

(Developers CAN get screwed by this; we had a case on Cape Cod recently, guy was building out a half-dozen units, his first three buyers basically sued him long and hard enough he couldn't afford to build the remaining units, which is where you normally make your profit...and no bank would loan to him, being in the middle of a lawsuit and all.  Doesn't help that our Land Court has been understaffed for years)


I think if all three of one's first customers take legal action against you, that's darwin's way of saying you suck at what you do and shouldn't do that anymore.
 
2013-05-20 06:24:15 AM

kazikian: Can someone explain to me how anyone can "force" a sale? I mean, if you own the property, and simply refuse to sell no matter the offer, how can anyone take that property? (Except for cases of imminent domain, which this was not.) Can someone explain this to me, please? I'm being serious, by the way.


Bank/Insurance Company wants to buy 150+ year old property to turn into boutique hotel, offers money to buy building.

Boutique hotel is operated by a non-profit women's shelter, they aren't driven by money as a primary concern.  The building isn't for sale at any price, since it's pretty well suited for their needs and any replacement would be time consuming and probably less suited in the long run to their needs.

Bank/Insurance Company gets a big "Does Not Compute" at the idea of "not for sale at any price".

Non profit gets Federal assistance in renovations to the 150+ year old building.  Pretty routine for a non-profit, since they often get various credits and grants for large scale projects.  The building is doubtless old enough to need some work, but they've got funding lined up to take care of that without a problem.

Bank/Insurance Company files lawsuits saying the non-profit shouldn't be getting those credits.  They use the full weight of their legal department to file lawsuits contesting the non-profit getting the Federal assistance.  The lawsuits are thinly disguised harassment, but it's enough to force the non-profit into an expensive and years-long legal fight.  They already didn't have vast cash reserves, since they needed the money for the renovations.

After several years of litigation, the non-profit org is pretty much out of money thanks to its legal fees in dealing with the nuisance suits from the Insurance Company.   No Judge has taken their side, but they've dragged it through the courts for years, which is all they needed.  The Insurance Company had deeper pockets for an extended lawsuit.  Even if the facts of the case are blatantly on the non-profit's side, they didn't have the money to see the case through to the end.

So, with the non-profit now on the edge of bankruptcy, the Insurance Company says they'll drop their suit if the non-profit will sell them the building.  The non-profit is basically left with the choice to sell the building or completely shut down.  They sell the building, contingent upon handing it over when their replacement building is built.  Unfortunately, they can't afford to build the replacement in the same neighborhood, they can only afford to build a new shelter in a poor neighborhood with low property values.

One of the reasons the shelter was so successful it that it was out of the crime-ridden low-rent neighborhoods, it removed the women from the environment and people that caused their cycle of abuse.  This is now gone.  More women will be abused or return to prostitution (and possibly drugs and other crime) so an insurance company can have a boutique hotel as a side investment.

Republicans get a stiffy because corporations have been allowed to do whatever they want to whoever they want, and "the poors" get shafted in the name of the "free market", which is what they want for America.
 
2013-05-20 06:24:55 AM

Dadoody: FormlessOne: This is the world Republicans want for all of us - the best small government money can buy. Can't afford to fight? Well, you're not God's chosen.

When Republicans refer to "small government", they're referring to resources, not size - a "big government" can fight the rich and win, because a "big government" has the resources to do so. A "small government" has little choice but to do what the rich want, because the rich have the resources to ensure that their will is done. This is a lovely example of what Republicans call "small government."

Couple that with "prosperity gospel," and you now know why so many Christians are right-wing - money makes you one of God's chosen. If you're rich, you must be morally superior, because God has given you so much in return for your actions. The bank is clearly on the side of righteousness, and the battered women's shelter clearly on the side of immorality, so the bank feels no shame in calling them "recovering prostitutes" - he's the one, after all, doing God's work, as evinced by his bulging bank account. Besides, a new building in a neighborhood more befitting their lowly station is being provided for them, at their cost - it's as God wills it.

Protesting isn't enough. People need to pull their money out of this bank. Revocation of prosperity is the only tool the rich understand, especially the religious rich.

Funny, because he's a Democrat and an Obama supporter.


Got a citation for that?
 
2013-05-20 07:29:15 AM

BumpInTheNight: So Western & Southern Insurance Group legally beats up women's shelters.  Everyone should remember Western & Southern Insurance Group calls women recovering prostitutes.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x295]
CEO John F Barrett of Western & Southern Insurance Group
he calls battered women "recovering prostitutes"

/Btw, props to whoever added this incident to his wiki bio, its good to ensure people are remembered for their actions.


Amen, we'll have to keep watching it to make sure it stays on there.
 
2013-05-20 08:16:13 AM
i would gladly walk to ohio just for the chance to kill that motherfarker with a single rusty razorblade
 
MFK
2013-05-20 08:23:26 AM
wow.... look at Barking Unicornshow up to white knight for this human piece of shiat. Welcome to my ignore list you sorry excuse for an actual person. While it's bad enough that people like you actually exist, at least I won't have to read your garbage ever again. I hope you're among the first against the wall when people finally get tired of this shiat.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-05-20 08:33:39 AM
Wikipedia blames the Housing Act of 1949 for urban renewal and the principle that evicting people, demolishing their houses, and building a better neighborhood was good policy.
 
2013-05-20 09:31:10 AM
Fantasizing about justice doesn't get you justice. You have to actually do something.

Not that I'm encouraging anyone to become a martyr. Can't say I would weep if every rage comment in this thread came true, though.
 
2013-05-20 11:49:45 AM

Bender The Offender: jim32rr: Bender The Offender: jim32rr: FTFA: The women living at the Anna Louise will stay there until a new building for them is finished, in about two years. So what's the problem again?

Exactly, what's the problem with exploiting the legal system to steal property from a nonprofit that doesn't want to sell? The poors should've just given their property up to their fiscal betters.

If you have to ask such a stupid farking question, you lack the moral character and human decency to understand the answer.

You sound sad, angry .... much like the women in the article. Perhaps we could find new, more comfortable shelter for you

Thanks for proving my point. You think it's funny to make jokes at the expense of the neediest people in our society. Poverty, abuse, deprivation, and all of the horrors that go along with it are the meat of comic genius like yourself. If you want to find me a new shelter to volunteer in, you're more than welcome to. I already provide basic healthcare services for 3 in the area, but if you know of another, I'm more than willing to offer up more of my time. Our practices provides over $100k a month in free services and we are always willing to help out where we can. Oh, did you think it would be shameful to attend a shelter? do you think there's something inherently insulting about people in need? Of course you did, or course you did. You're a real class act, right from your own pathetic attempts at wit, we can all see what a decent and classy person you are.


We were playing Jump To Conclusions and no one told me. I was raised in the town of Harvey, IL (Look it up) and stayed until 15  years old or so. My Mom was left with 3 kids when my Father decided to find himself or some BS and hauled ass, My Mom put herself through school with her Navy benefits while working part time. I can remember going shopping for my Mom with food stamps, I worked any odd job I could as a teen to throw money into the family pot, most of my weekends involved standing outside the local grocery store and carrying grocery bags to women's cars for tips, I also remember sleeping in the car with my family for 2 days and then 4 or 5 days in a church basement while our Landlord was deciding rather to renew our lease or not.  Not a bad childhood, some of my friends in the neighborhood had a much rougher road then me

As for now I have my own company, 10% percent of the profits are donated to organizations that help other disabled Veterans and their families. Besides my regular commercial clients my company also works with non-profits in a handful of states to help them reduce their overhead costs at no expense to the non-profit.

Back to the Women's Shelter, in that changing neighborhood had they not been bought at this time something else would have happened to change the ownership of the building to someone else and maybe they would not have a new facility to move into was my point
 
2013-05-20 11:55:56 AM

jim32rr: FTFA: The women living at the Anna Louise will stay there until a new building for them is finished, in about two years. So what's the problem again?



They are NOT Staying there.  They are MOVING to a new location a couple of miles North in a horrible neighborhood while they wait for the new facility to be build (in approximately 2 years.)

/Reading comprehension, it's wonderful!!
 
2013-05-20 01:35:27 PM

doyner: Yes, which makes publicizing their prostitute past for financial gain totally cool.



Got a citation on that? This article's *saying* that he repeatedly referred to them as such isn't exactly compelling evidence. But string him up for non-cited, probably indirect, potentially non-malicious remarks that are accurate, right? Because feelings.
 
2013-05-20 02:31:07 PM

Cold_Sassy: jim32rr: FTFA: The women living at the Anna Louise will stay there until a new building for them is finished, in about two years. So what's the problem again?


They are NOT Staying there.  They are MOVING to a new location a couple of miles North in a horrible neighborhood while they wait for the new facility to be build (in approximately 2 years.)

/Reading comprehension, it's wonderful!! Yes, yes it is FTFA:

Under the deal with Western & Southern, the women living at the Anna Louise will stay there until a new building for them is finished, in about two years
 
2013-05-20 08:18:49 PM
I work for one of the largest banks in the country.  Every year we have to take a mandatory ethics course.  And each year it reminds me how the industry placates the governing bodies through meaningless exercises while CEO's and Execs still screw over everyone they can for another buck.  As if it's my ethics that created various financial bubbles, and artificially set advantageous lipor values.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-05-20 10:24:24 PM
Every year we have to take a mandatory ethics course.

I took mandatory FCPA training. The takeaway from the online course was the little guy (gal) who watched her coworker make a minor payoff got smashed into pulp. The VP who enabled an eight figure contract with six figure bribes was too big to fail.

Being in the "small enough to fail" category I made a note to myself that if I were ever stationed overseas and given contracting responsibility, I should try not to get caught making illegal payoffs.
 
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