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2013-05-19 04:56:10 PM
corn-bread: For a truly blood boiling perspective, here is an interview with the CEO concerning this "deal":
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130513/BIZ/305130143/John-Barre tt -Q-How-Anna-Louise-deal-got-done

JungleBoogie: From the link: "Our zoning was totally infringed upon, and all those investments people make based on zoning were like, so what. So we said, 'That's not right.' And we were vindicated on that."


Another note - I'm guessing Mr. Barrett paid off the politicians who determine the area's zoning. Ultimately, for all of society, it is the politicians who write the rules. So, they bear the ultimate responsibility.

Criminals exist, whether they wear ski masks or tailored suits. The politicians are the ones who write the rules. They also write the rules of how one can become a politician, which can account for the poor quality of many of our elected leaders.
 
2013-05-19 04:58:02 PM

BarkingUnicorn: corn-bread: BarkingUnicorn: doglover: So you can force people to sell what isn't for sale? WTF?

Nobody was forced to sell.  The inn wanted an updated facility.  The corporation blocked renovation on a zoning violation.  The inn found another way to get an updated facility that involved selling the old one.  The inn could have just stayed the way it was.


You suck at research friendo.
There was no "block" of a zoning violation.  The trial court remanded back to the zoning board who once again (for the second time) issued a use permit and approved the expansion.

This lawsuit settled because the renovation grant money was set to expire at the end of the year and was in danger of not being available again.  Further the organization was being affected by the costs and constraints of pending litigation.  The lawsuit filed by the insurance company was heading down in flames.  But the point wasn't to win, it was to harass the non-profit into settling.

You're also myopic enough to believe that:
1) The W&S would have dropped the lawsuit if expansion plans had been scrapped; and
2) That W&S would have left them alone even if they had lost the lawsuit.

Did the original zoning complaint block renovation?  Yes.  I'd rather have myopia than hallucinations.


It would seem you're illiterate in addition to myopic.
The original zoning complaint was remanded to the zoning board where it was dismissed.
 
2013-05-19 04:58:49 PM

ZAZ: PunGent

The neighbors in the case you linked lost in the Supreme Court because they did not have standing as taxpayers to challenge the city's tax policies as applied to others. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DaimlerChrysler_Corp._v._Cuno.


Called it...I must be psychic :)
 
2013-05-19 05:01:13 PM
 Wow, the CEO sounds like someone who should encounter a hatchet in a dark alley with ill intentions.
 
2013-05-19 05:01:38 PM

corn-bread: For a truly blood boiling perspective, here is an interview with the CEO concerning this "deal":
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130513/BIZ/305130143/John-Barre tt -Q-How-Anna-Louise-deal-got-done


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corn-bread: For a truly blood boiling perspective, here is an interview with the CEO concerning this "deal":
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130513/BIZ/305130143/John-Barre tt -Q-How-Anna-Louise-deal-got-done


I didn't read page 2, the douchebaggery on page 1 was enough for me. What an asshole
 
2013-05-19 05:02:42 PM
I have to admit, I don't have much use for battered women, since I just eat it raw.
 
2013-05-19 05:03:03 PM

grunthos: @BarkingUnicorn, see what a little homework will do. Like I said in my previous posts, it sounds like a win-win for everybody. They were not bullied into selling, but rather negotiated a settlement that was a win for everyone.

My house needs a LOT of work. I can't afford new floors and a new roof right now. If someone came up to me and offered the value minus the repairs, and I said "NO"...then negotiated the actual appraised value, and time to live in it while I got my new digs lined up..

I'd be saying I made a hell of a deal and would be grateful to the sucker buyer.


Yeah...you forgot to factor in time and legal fees.
 
2013-05-19 05:04:18 PM

Elegy: I have to admit, I don't have much use for battered women, since I just eat it raw.


Tastes like chicken, fish, or 8 volt batteries?
 
2013-05-19 05:06:52 PM

Jack_Knopf: You Fark domestic terrorists are morons. You have so much pent up rage (probably from lack of vag) that you froth at the mouth over a poorly written, obviously slanted article.

I hope some of you internet tough guys try to pull off what you're saying and wind up on the wrong end of a shotgun.


i.cdn.turner.com

I'm drinking in the irony here.
 
2013-05-19 05:07:11 PM

corn-bread: Here's the thing. According to the history of the case, the zoning board *twice* issued use permits and approved plans for the property (the city was sued along with the non-profit). So no, in the view of the city Barrett's zoning was not infringed (thus he is the liar I suppose).

Here's all you need to know about this case: W&S has several other substantial land holdings in the immediate area that they want to redevelop. That's all.


Makes sense. Regarding the monkey sanctuary I mentioned earlier, I said it was residents who originated the complaint, but now, based on looking at the map of the property, it was almost certainly the developer. There are multiple new houses right up against the property line of the sanctuary and they were no doubt slavering at the possibility of obtaining the sanctuary's land.
 
2013-05-19 05:07:17 PM

FunkOut: Elegy: I have to admit, I don't have much use for battered women, since I just eat it raw.

Tastes like chicken, fish, or 8 volt batteries?


8 volt batteries? What are you, some kind of pervert?
 
2013-05-19 05:07:25 PM

corn-bread: Here's the thing.  According to the history of the case, the zoning board *twice* issued use permits and approved plans for the property (the city was sued along with the non-profit).  So no, in the view of the city Barrett's zoning was not infringed (thus he is the liar I suppose).

Here's all you need to know about this case: W&S has several other substantial land holdings in the immediate area that they want to redevelop.  That's all.


Right.  We don't need to know that the city is a partner of  the inn, so the zoning board had a conflict of interest.
 
2013-05-19 05:11:11 PM

desertgeek: Two things need to be destroyed as a result of this:

- Western & Southern Insurance Group for being a bunch of dicks
- The bank executive who referred to them as "recovering prostitutes" (he should be publicly beaten in the way some of those women he's evicting probably have been)

/in my line of work, I get a lot of visits from women coming from such shelters
//they don't need another "man" treating them like shiat


If we ever have something like the French Revolution (v.2.0?) in this country, I won't feel any sympathy towards asshats like that guy as they are being lead to the guillotine ( or a firing squad).

/ this probably makes me a bad person
 
2013-05-19 05:12:51 PM

Elegy: FunkOut: Elegy: I have to admit, I don't have much use for battered women, since I just eat it raw.

Tastes like chicken, fish, or 8 volt batteries?

8 volt batteries? What are you, some kind of pervert?


Then I shan't even mention the Tesla coil. Harrumph.
 
2013-05-19 05:20:22 PM

jehovahs witness protection: jehovahs witness protection: ZAZ: Those women must be tough to live to 100 despite being battered.

/DNRTFA

If you don't batter them they dry up as soon as you dip em in grease.

FTFM


All this time I've been eating them plain, Fark.
 
KIA
2013-05-19 05:20:47 PM
Say the word slowly, then think about it. "Non-profit"
 
2013-05-19 05:22:31 PM
If you like RON PAUL, you like this. Because this is RON PAUL's America.
 
2013-05-19 05:32:33 PM
This guy's home address and bus loads of homeless.
 
2013-05-19 05:41:54 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Right. We don't need to know that the city is a partner of the inn, so the zoning board had a conflict of interest.


It's impressive how quickly you switch buckets when one develops a leak. Can't let one drop of water spill, now can we?
 
2013-05-19 05:44:13 PM

MuonNeutrino: Wodan11:I'm just not getting why all the tears and moaning about.

It doesn't matter if they did get a reasonable deal in the long run. The problem is, they have NO OBLIGATION to sell, but the asshole company forced them to do so anyway. And given that the assholes managed to drag out the legal battle until they literally couldn't afford to continue fighting, I highly doubt that they actually did get a better deal in the end than the original insulting offer. 1.8m and no legal bills, or 4m but several mil spent fighting? Either way, the company has no right to force ANYONE to part with property that they own and are not interested in selling. It's not the compensation that's the issue. It's the assholes with money using their deep pockets to illegally strongarm people off their own land.


They actually might have had an obligation to sell.  The trustees or directors of a nonprofit have a fiduciary responsibility to the mission of the organization.  If they turned down a substantial offer for an asset, they had better have had a fairly good reason beyond, "we like it here."
 
2013-05-19 05:46:54 PM

FreetardoRivera: I also want to whine on the internet and not do anything about it.


You're right. We should all deposit money with that bank just so we can take it back out because we don't like what they did.
 
2013-05-19 05:49:23 PM

Anderson's Pooper: Western and Southern are being pricks for throwing their weight around.  However, after reading the actual article, it seems that some of the women currently residing there are, in fact, recovering prostitutes.  I hope they get continuing help in their recovery whether here or at the new place.



not as likely as they're being moved into a bad neighbourhood.
 
2013-05-19 05:50:03 PM
Sorry, letting the poors win anything or have anything nicer than what the riches have or want is evil kenyan muslim usurper socialism. Rich people get what they want in this country. Go be poor somewhere else or, preferably, shut up and die.
 
2013-05-19 05:50:35 PM
The age of the inn is an incidental but significant contributor to the outrage over this story.  It's curious that we attribute additional value to things and people just because they are old.   Unusually old things and people are taken as evidence that death can be forestalled, if not avoided.  If an old thing, like this inn, is changed in any way, it no longer exists as it was and the evidence of immortality's possibility is lost.

We invent all sorts of reasons why old things and people should be preserved exactly as they are, but fundamentally they just provide hope for immortality.  There's a religious connection there, although many will deny it.
 
2013-05-19 05:52:41 PM

theorellior: BarkingUnicorn: Right. We don't need to know that the city is a partner of the inn, so the zoning board had a conflict of interest.

It's impressive how quickly you switch buckets when one develops a leak. Can't let one drop of water spill, now can we?


The meaning of your metaphor eludes me.  Someone said, "This is all you need to know" and I took issue with that.  So what?
 
2013-05-19 06:09:17 PM
John Barrett is a loathsome waste of carbon.  I wouldn't spit on him if he was on fire.
 
2013-05-19 06:11:39 PM

BarkingUnicorn: The Ann Louis Inn would make a lovely boutique hotel:


Who in the blue f*ck is going to Cincinnati to stay in a boutique hotel? Look for more skeevy tax breaks for the geniuses behind this.

No way this makes money honestly, at least giving a tax support to the women's shelter was getting some ladies off of crank, abusive husbands, and pimps. A "boutique hotel" in Cincinnati is never going to be more than a tax dodge for some fleshy pink faced loser.

Christ, what an asshole.
 
2013-05-19 06:14:38 PM

Wodan11: Is it just me or does anyone else think TFA didn't give all the pertinent info.  It just doesn't add up.  I can see how the shelter would say "F no" to the initial offer, but clearly the buyers were willing to negotiate.  I get the feeling the shelter might have said "F no, at any price!"

So the buyers resorted to other tactics. But still willing to negotiate... $4M seems to be about what it was worth, maybe a little more (TFA said $1.8M was "less than half its value").  So it seems that the buyers weren't being total dicks after all, they came up from $1.8M to $4.0M.  More than 200% increase... I wish I had such negotiating power when I sold my last house.  ;-)

So they're building a new facility, apparently, which will have the virtue of being brand new, not 100 yrs old, with better facilities, layout, wiring & plumbing, etc.  The only even slight drawback they seem to be able to come up with is that it's over a mile to the nearest city park.  How about making your own park, on the premises?  I'm just not getting why all the tears and moaning about.


WTF are you talking about? The whole point of the story is that the building was not for sale for any price. Your argument is erroneous on all accounts.
 
2013-05-19 06:15:03 PM
BumpInTheNight: (Statement referring to):
"John Barrett has a controversial history of using the company's wealth and law team to buy historical properties and renovating them into attractions for the wealthy. In 2013, he successfully oversaw the eviction of a more than 100 year old women's shelter to make way for a "boutique hotel." During the proceedings, Barrett categorized the women living in the shelter as being "recovering prostitutes."


Dayton has their own John Barrett - except with slightly more moral fiber to him, courtesy of the Marianist party school university he leads.

www.udayton.edu

Aside from the building that he's posing in, Mr. Curran isn't above using alumni to declare a historical building as non-historical, demolish it, and putting the pieces in a obscure museum.   That, and adding insult to injury, he was practically handed the former NCR World Headquarters as a perverse trophy.

The only thing that was handed back was a inconsequential field of grass across from Old River(which in turn seems to be closed long enough until the last NCR retiree dies off).
 
2013-05-19 06:19:07 PM

Bonzo_1116: BarkingUnicorn: The Ann Louis Inn would make a lovely boutique hotel:

Who in the blue f*ck is going to Cincinnati to stay in a boutique hotel? Look for more skeevy tax breaks for the geniuses behind this.

No way this makes money honestly, at least giving a tax support to the women's shelter was getting some ladies off of crank, abusive husbands, and pimps. A "boutique hotel" in Cincinnati is never going to be more than a tax dodge for some fleshy pink faced loser.

Christ, what an asshole.


I don't know the area, but I assume the people planning a hotel do.  There's also mention of condos.  Barrett doesn't seem like the kind of idiot who spends $1 to save a few cents in taxes.  Instead, he preys upon such idiots.
 
2013-05-19 06:19:57 PM
Btw, for all the ragers so far about this: Have you ever donated time or money to a battered women's shelter? If not, this guy has done 4 million things more than you have to help these gals.
 
2013-05-19 06:20:09 PM
Company CEO John Barrett has long said it was time for the women at the Anna Louise to leave the neighborhood to make way for economic development. He plans to turn the building into a boutique hotel and envisions transforming the neighborhood into a hub of activity with restaurants and bars.
"This truly is a win for everyone and will make Lytle Park a destination like no other," Barrett said in a Monday news release announcing the Anna Louise sale.

Barrett, who has repeatedly declined requests for an interview, has become a loathed figure at the Anna Louise, not only for his tireless efforts to acquire the property but also for the way he has talked about the women living there, repeatedly referring to them as recovering prostitutes and saying they just don't belong in the neighborhood.



farm4.staticflickr.com

makes me f--king hope that Hell exists someplace other than Michigan.
 
2013-05-19 06:22:11 PM

keypusher: desertgeek: Two things need to be destroyed as a result of this:

- Western & Southern Insurance Group for being a bunch of dicks
- The bank executive who referred to them as "recovering prostitutes" (he should be publicly beaten in the way some of those women he's evicting probably have been)

/in my line of work, I get a lot of visits from women coming from such shelters
//they don't need another "man" treating them like shiat

I guess no one read TFA, including subby.

[Evil executive], who has repeatedly declined requests for an interview, has become a loathed figure at the Anna Louise, not only for his tireless efforts to acquire the property but also for the way he has talked about the women living there, repeatedly referring to them as recovering prostitutes and saying they just don't belong in the neighborhood.
"That hurt. To be categorized," said Sherene Julian, 48, who escaped decades of drug addiction and prostitution when she moved to the Anna Louise. "It made me feel that I was lesser than."

jim32rr: FTFA: The women living at the Anna Louise will stay there until a new building for them is finished, in about two years. So what's the problem again?

FTA:

The historic downtown Cincinnati neighborhood where the women live, known as Lytle Park, became an important part of their recovery, since most were coming from dangerous parts of the city where it'd be easier to slip back into their former ways of life.

and

Under the deal with Western & Southern, the women living at the Anna Louise will stay there until a new building for them is finished, in about two years. It will be located in a shabby neighborhood on a busy street 2 miles north of where they are now. The nearest park is a 1.5-mile walk away, over a freeway.


First off, the house is being forced to close due to legal costs, not because any judicial authority agreed with Barret's assessment, so obviously his claims in that regard weren't convincing which raises the question of why you feel the need to defend them.

Secondly, that one woman there is a recovering prostitute does not mean every woman who ever went through their doors was also an ex-prostitute.

Thirdly, why would a woman trying to get out of an abusive relationship tied to prostitution be undeserving of help in doing so? Why would an organization that provides such services be a public eye-sore, rather than a source of civic pride? Why do you think personally that the past employment of these women is more important than the violence done to them, by the past men in their lives or by this current bully with a checkbook?

Categorizing a safe-house for battered women as a place filled with "recovering prostitutes" willfully misrepresents the purpose of said building. As such, the argument that he was technically correct doesn't fly, because by choosing that description Barret was choosing to describe the building inaccurately; through the previous employment of some of its inhabitants rather than through its purpose for being there. A person who is willfully being inaccurate cannot, by definition, intent rectitude. If he wasn't making the statements in the interests of honesty, then why was he making them? I'd say it's possible he was doing so as an act of slander; classifying all the women there as "recovering prostitutes" in the hopes that by doing so he might sway the judge to kicked them out on the weight of their presumed low-character. That's what you're defending here; a man calling a house full of battered women sluts for having the gall to open their doors to abused hookers as well, in the hopes of getting them evicted. Is that really something you want to be standing up for?
 
2013-05-19 06:23:41 PM

indarwinsshadow: Chariset: Hey, the right of the wealthy to make money off the backs of the poor should not be infringed, not even an eensy weensy bit.

Why do you hate America?

Because it's broken and no one know's how to repair it anymore.


America is farked.
 
2013-05-19 06:25:22 PM

jim32rr: FTFA: The women living at the Anna Louise will stay there until a new building for them is finished, in about two years. So what's the problem again?


Nothing you would understand, so go back to sleep.
 
2013-05-19 06:27:29 PM

Cataholic: MuonNeutrino: Wodan11:I'm just not getting why all the tears and moaning about.

It doesn't matter if they did get a reasonable deal in the long run. The problem is, they have NO OBLIGATION to sell, but the asshole company forced them to do so anyway. And given that the assholes managed to drag out the legal battle until they literally couldn't afford to continue fighting, I highly doubt that they actually did get a better deal in the end than the original insulting offer. 1.8m and no legal bills, or 4m but several mil spent fighting? Either way, the company has no right to force ANYONE to part with property that they own and are not interested in selling. It's not the compensation that's the issue. It's the assholes with money using their deep pockets to illegally strongarm people off their own land.

They actually might have had an obligation to sell.  The trustees or directors of a nonprofit have a fiduciary responsibility to the mission of the organization.  If they turned down a substantial offer for an asset, they had better have had a fairly good reason beyond, "we like it here."


Not all interests of a board of directors are fiduciary......*especially * at a non profit.

I'm not even a Christian, but at some point some things are more important than money.
 
2013-05-19 06:28:22 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: M

akes me f--king hope that Hell exists someplace other than Michigan.

After Snyder and friends were installed in office, Hell's boundary now includes the entire state.
 
2013-05-19 06:29:22 PM
 
2013-05-19 06:35:45 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Bonzo_1116: BarkingUnicorn: The Ann Louis Inn would make a lovely boutique hotel:

Who in the blue f*ck is going to Cincinnati to stay in a boutique hotel? Look for more skeevy tax breaks for the geniuses behind this.

No way this makes money honestly, at least giving a tax support to the women's shelter was getting some ladies off of crank, abusive husbands, and pimps. A "boutique hotel" in Cincinnati is never going to be more than a tax dodge for some fleshy pink faced loser.

Christ, what an asshole.

I don't know the area, but I assume the people planning a hotel do.  There's also mention of condos.  Barrett doesn't seem like the kind of idiot who spends $1 to save a few cents in taxes.  Instead, he preys upon such idiots.


San Diego has been doing the redevelopment dance with assholes like this for decades...but this is an actual tourist destination. I'll eat my dirty underwear if Cincinnati can say the same.

It's a truly fragrant vintage of bullshiat.
 
2013-05-19 06:36:47 PM

jim32rr: FTFA: The women living at the Anna Louise will stay there until a new building for them is finished, in about two years. So what's the problem again?


The problem is that the new location is in a much worse neighborhood, and not directly across a park.
 
2013-05-19 06:41:38 PM
Who am I kidding...now that I think about it, there should be some taint-garglers along any minute celebrating how illegals cleaning boutique hotel toilets for less than minimum wage is a jobs win for the city.
 
2013-05-19 06:44:30 PM
The biggest issue here that ya'll seem to be ignoring, is Lytle Park is practically at the front door of the present location of the Anna Louise Inn. It is a beautiful park. The closest park to the new location of the Inn is almost a mile and a half away, over a freeway, to boot. That is an awfully long walk for these women to make just to shoot up in a nice setting with benches.
 
2013-05-19 06:48:32 PM
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jonathunder/Maxwell

It's been done before.
 
2013-05-19 07:06:45 PM
I'm pretty sure this was an A-Team episode.
 
2013-05-19 07:11:39 PM

grunthos: Btw, for all the ragers so far about this: Have you ever donated time or money to a battered women's shelter? If not, this guy has done 4 million things more than you have to help these gals.


I supply them with customers. Does that count?
 
2013-05-19 07:16:21 PM
SPECIAL. PLACE.
www.beertripper.com
/exceedingly warm
 
2013-05-19 07:22:29 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Sounds like class warfare.

Oh, wait, no it's not.  The poor people got screwed, so it's OK.


Remember, boys and girls:

i578.photobucket.com

Class warfare.

i119.photobucket.com

Not class warfare.
 
2013-05-19 07:33:17 PM
It's those neckties that business men wear.
It restricts the flow of blood to their brains turning them into soulless, greedy automatons unable to feel any guilt or compassion. The same reason why politicians are such corrupt scum.
We'd have a perfect society if neckties were abolished.
 
2013-05-19 07:34:52 PM

Uzzah: All is not lost...

1. Resolve to post negative Yelp and Trip Advisor reviews of boutique hotel when it opens. It's a lot easier to destroy a new business these days than it has ever been before.
2. Picket hotel and bank endlessly.
3. Make them regret getting involved.


I'm thinking that it should not be that hard to get the place listed as a historic landmark and prevent the bank from making any changes to it
 
2013-05-19 07:37:33 PM

BumpInTheNight: So Western & Southern Insurance Group legally beats up women's shelters.  Everyone should remember Western & Southern Insurance Group calls women recovering prostitutes.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x295]
CEO John F Barrett of Western & Southern Insurance Group
he calls battered women "recovering prostitutes"

/Btw, props to whoever added this incident to his wiki bio, its good to ensure people are remembered for their actions.


Judging from his photo alone i'd say he's a toe tapper in the next stall, with a devout wife at home.
 
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