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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-05-19 03:47:48 PM
PunGent

The neighbors in the case you linked lost in the Supreme Court because they did not have standing as taxpayers to challenge the city's tax policies as applied to others. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DaimlerChrysler_Corp._v._Cuno.
 
2013-05-19 03:47:51 PM

corn-bread: For a truly blood boiling perspective, here is an interview with the CEO concerning this "deal":
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130513/BIZ/305130143/John-Barre tt -Q-How-Anna-Louise-deal-got-done


Wow, gotta love those two 'top commenter' comments at the ass of the thread for it too, if there was ever more obvious attempts to astroturf I have yet to see them.  Meanwhile the softball interviewer
Cincinatti.com's Josh Pichler should be ashamed of himself for handing this asshole those questions the way he did.
 
2013-05-19 03:48:10 PM
Wow banks sure are in favor of regulations when they can use them as legal justification to obstruct the business of the property they want in an effort to force a sale.

We like to taut our legal system as the best in the world but this is a reminder that it has serious flaws and people, organizations, and governments will never stop trying to exploit the system to further their own goals.
 
2013-05-19 03:49:45 PM

jim32rr: doyner: WhippingBoy: jim32rr: FTFA: The women living at the Anna Louise will stay there until a new building for them is finished, in about two years. So what's the problem again?

Because outrage.

FTFA:  But after losing a two-year fight with a Fortune 500 company determined to buy their beautiful, 104-year-old property and turn it into a boutique hotel - even though it wasn't for sale - the women of the Anna Louise Inn have to leave the neighborhood.

So they are moving from one place where they lived for free to a new place where they will live for free ... still feel that I might be missing something. Please don't say 'emotion'


My understanding is that it will be "equivalent value" to the existing building. If a 100 year old shelter is worth $1.8m, how big a modern shelter will $1.8m get? It will either be MUCH smaller, or be in a crack neighborhood.
 
2013-05-19 03:50:20 PM

Mock26: Wodan11: Is it just me or does anyone else think TFA didn't give all the pertinent info.  It just doesn't add up.  I can see how the shelter would say "F no" to the initial offer, but clearly the buyers were willing to negotiate.  I get the feeling the shelter might have said "F no, at any price!"

So the buyers resorted to other tactics. But still willing to negotiate... $4M seems to be about what it was worth, maybe a little more (TFA said $1.8M was "less than half its value").  So it seems that the buyers weren't being total dicks after all, they came up from $1.8M to $4.0M.  More than 200% increase... I wish I had such negotiating power when I sold my last house.  ;-)

So they're building a new facility, apparently, which will have the virtue of being brand new, not 100 yrs old, with better facilities, layout, wiring & plumbing, etc.  The only even slight drawback they seem to be able to come up with is that it's over a mile to the nearest city park.  How about making your own park, on the premises?  I'm just not getting why all the tears and moaning about.

So, when the initial answer was "No" the bank should have just let it go.  But they did not.  Instead they sued them into submission.  Not sure why you are fine with this.


Free market in action.

What are you, a commie?
 
2013-05-19 03:50:26 PM
 
2013-05-19 03:53:17 PM

jim32rr: doyner: WhippingBoy: jim32rr: FTFA: The women living at the Anna Louise will stay there until a new building for them is finished, in about two years. So what's the problem again?

Because outrage.

FTFA:  But after losing a two-year fight with a Fortune 500 company determined to buy their beautiful, 104-year-old property and turn it into a boutique hotel - even though it wasn't for sale - the women of the Anna Louise Inn have to leave the neighborhood.

So they are moving from one place where they lived for free to a new place where they will live for free ... still feel that I might be missing something. Please don't say 'emotion'



How about not being forced to sell your property and move if you don't want to?  Does that work for ya?
 
2013-05-19 03:55:28 PM
Fark: advocating domestic terrorism one human interest story at a time.
 
2013-05-19 03:58:47 PM

super_grass: Fark: advocating domestic terrorism one human interest story at a time.


Everyone on the side of the American patriots during the Revolutionary War were terrorists. Daughters of the American Revolution are just like Al Quaeda. George Washington is Osama Bin Laden. Jesus loves pretzels.
 
2013-05-19 03:58:48 PM

BumpInTheNight: corn-bread: For a truly blood boiling perspective, here is an interview with the CEO concerning this "deal":
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130513/BIZ/305130143/John-Barre tt -Q-How-Anna-Louise-deal-got-done

Wow, gotta love those two 'top commenter' comments at the ass of the thread for it too, if there was ever more obvious attempts to astroturf I have yet to see them.  Meanwhile the softball interviewer
Cincinatti.com's Josh Pichler should be ashamed of himself for handing this asshole those questions the way he did.



Right?  Talk about your cream puff interviews.  The interviewer might as well have jumped on the table and offered Barret his virgin starfish while he was at it.
I'm wondering which affiliated companies those two commenters work for.
 
2013-05-19 04:01:27 PM

jim32rr: FTFA: The women living at the Anna Louise will stay there until a new building for them is finished, in about two years. So what's the problem again?


Read the rest of the paragraph, genius.
 
2013-05-19 04:03:25 PM

rustypouch: Mock26: Wodan11: Is it just me or does anyone else think TFA didn't give all the pertinent info.  It just doesn't add up.  I can see how the shelter would say "F no" to the initial offer, but clearly the buyers were willing to negotiate.  I get the feeling the shelter might have said "F no, at any price!"

So the buyers resorted to other tactics. But still willing to negotiate... $4M seems to be about what it was worth, maybe a little more (TFA said $1.8M was "less than half its value").  So it seems that the buyers weren't being total dicks after all, they came up from $1.8M to $4.0M.  More than 200% increase... I wish I had such negotiating power when I sold my last house.  ;-)

So they're building a new facility, apparently, which will have the virtue of being brand new, not 100 yrs old, with better facilities, layout, wiring & plumbing, etc.  The only even slight drawback they seem to be able to come up with is that it's over a mile to the nearest city park.  How about making your own park, on the premises?  I'm just not getting why all the tears and moaning about.

So, when the initial answer was "No" the bank should have just let it go.  But they did not.  Instead they sued them into submission.  Not sure why you are fine with this.

Free market in action.

What are you, a commie?


Nope.  Just a decent human being.
 
2013-05-19 04:03:25 PM

JWideman: jim32rr: doyner: WhippingBoy: jim32rr: FTFA: The women living at the Anna Louise will stay there until a new building for them is finished, in about two years. So what's the problem again?

Because outrage.

FTFA:  But after losing a two-year fight with a Fortune 500 company determined to buy their beautiful, 104-year-old property and turn it into a boutique hotel - even though it wasn't for sale - the women of the Anna Louise Inn have to leave the neighborhood.

So they are moving from one place where they lived for free to a new place where they will live for free ... still feel that I might be missing something. Please don't say 'emotion'

My understanding is that it will be "equivalent value" to the existing building. If a 100 year old shelter is worth $1.8m, how big a modern shelter will $1.8m get? It will either be MUCH smaller, or be in a crack neighborhood.


Both.

This kind of shenanigans was real popular throughout most of the 20th century to remove undesirables.  I can name five different parks in Atlanta that were built on the bones of black servant settlements.  The servants weren't needed anymore, so lets displace them into our fresh public housing projects.  Then some of them rose in value, so they destroyed them and moved the residents again...
 
2013-05-19 04:03:32 PM
If thats the place with batterd women. Than where do they go to get deep fried?
 
2013-05-19 04:07:24 PM
At least those women are used to being beaten.
 
2013-05-19 04:08:49 PM
The Ann Louis Inn would make a lovely boutique hotel:

www.citybeat.com
 
2013-05-19 04:12:29 PM
Welcome to America. You are all peasants.
 
2013-05-19 04:13:30 PM
So you can force people to sell what isn't for sale? WTF?
 
2013-05-19 04:13:33 PM
All's well that ends well, according to the operators of the Ann Louise Inn:

http://www.cinunionbethel.org/index.php/the-latest-on-the-anna-louis e- inn


"We learned recently that a piece of property has become available.  Rather than move our residents into an existing building that may or may not be configured the way we need it to be, now our residents will move into a brand new space with larger living areas and amenities that would not have been possible even in a renovated Anna Louise Inn."
 
2013-05-19 04:14:19 PM
Its things like this that make me wish there was an afterlife. Just to watch these coonts get what is coming to them.
 
2013-05-19 04:18:03 PM

BumpInTheNight: So Western & Southern Insurance Group legally beats up women's shelters.  Everyone should remember Western & Southern Insurance Group calls women recovering prostitutes.


CEO John F Barrett of Western & Southern Insurance Group
he calls battered women "recovering prostitutes"



/Btw, props to whoever added this incident to his wiki bio, its good to ensure people are remembered for their actions.


Hey if employers think its cool to check out your past online. And hold drunk facebook posts against ya.

why shouldnt the job creators also be subject to the same "public record"

fark this asshole
 
2013-05-19 04:18:26 PM

PawisBetlog: Why does everyone keep saying bank when it's an insurance group? I work for a bank and we get enough bad press on our own thank you very much.


It's typically referred to as the FIRE sector - Finance, Insurance, Real Estate - because their business models are so closely intertwined.
 
2013-05-19 04:19:15 PM

doglover: So you can force people to sell what isn't for sale? WTF?


Nobody was forced to sell.  The inn wanted an updated facility.  The corporation blocked renovation on a zoning violation.  The inn found another way to get an updated facility that involved selling the old one.  The inn could have just stayed the way it was.
 
2013-05-19 04:19:38 PM
@BarkingUnicorn, see what a little homework will do. Like I said in my previous posts, it sounds like a win-win for everybody. They were not bullied into selling, but rather negotiated a settlement that was a win for everyone.

My house needs a LOT of work. I can't afford new floors and a new roof right now. If someone came up to me and offered the value minus the repairs, and I said "NO"...then negotiated the actual appraised value, and time to live in it while I got my new digs lined up..

I'd be saying I made a hell of a deal and would be grateful to the sucker buyer.
 
2013-05-19 04:20:20 PM
Were I one of the displaced residents, I'd find a way to ensure a scorching bedbug infestation once the hotel got up and running.
 
2013-05-19 04:24:56 PM

grunthos: @BarkingUnicorn, see what a little homework will do. Like I said in my previous posts, it sounds like a win-win for everybody. They were not bullied into selling, but rather negotiated a settlement that was a win for everyone.

My house needs a LOT of work. I can't afford new floors and a new roof right now. If someone came up to me and offered the value minus the repairs, and I said "NO"...then negotiated the actual appraised value, and time to live in it while I got my new digs lined up..

I'd be saying I made a hell of a deal and would be grateful to the sucker buyer.


The new plan requires $6 million less in tax credits, plus a tax-generating hotel and/or condo complex on the site.  City wins, federal taxpayers win, corporation wins, social service wins.
 
2013-05-19 04:25:15 PM

doyner: Anderson's Pooper: Western and Southern are being pricks for throwing their weight around.  However, after reading the actual article, it seems that some of the women currently residing there are, in fact, recovering prostitutes.  I hope they get continuing help in their recovery whether here or at the new place.

Yes, which makes publicizing their prostitute past for financial gain totally cool.


Kind of like the author did?
 
2013-05-19 04:25:59 PM

anuran: Arthur Jumbles: You know..... if more CEO's were murdered for acting like dicks I think we'd have a better society. When will we get our own  Reign of Terror? I'll make the popcorn.

John F. Kennedy -Those who make peaceful change impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.,


+1
 
2013-05-19 04:28:24 PM

ZAZ: Those women must be tough to live to 100 despite being battered.


Battering seals in the juices.
 
2013-05-19 04:28:38 PM

Jack_Knopf: doyner: Anderson's Pooper: Western and Southern are being pricks for throwing their weight around.  However, after reading the actual article, it seems that some of the women currently residing there are, in fact, recovering prostitutes.  I hope they get continuing help in their recovery whether here or at the new place.

Yes, which makes publicizing their prostitute past for financial gain totally cool.

Kind of like the author did?


Like all of the media has.  In fact, hookers were just one of many groups served by the inn.

http://www.citybeat.com/cincinnati/article-24137-putting_on_the_pres s. html

For Anna Louise Inn resident Beverly Chapman, the property embroiled in controversy is simply her home. Four years ago, Chapman's unemployment benefits from her former job as a tool and die maker expired, leaving her to face eviction from her residence.

Being a couple of years too young for Social Security, Chapman says her doctor's recommendation to seek help from the Inn was a godsend because she had nowhere else to turn. At 64, Chapman says she's not the typical resident, but there really are no typical residents, as the Inn houses retired IRS workers, women who served in the Iraq War and other women of all ages who have come in through various programs.
 
2013-05-19 04:29:23 PM
i.qkme.me
 
2013-05-19 04:29:26 PM
I googled the greedy company. I was going to their website so I could email them some nasty hate mail about what assholes they are, but their website is down. Maybe the bad PR is crashing the site, or maybe they decided to take the site down for a bit until the whole thing blows over. I hope it never blows over, and they all rot in hell for their greed and selfishness.
 
2013-05-19 04:29:50 PM
Hope and Change in action.
It gives me goosebumps!
 
2013-05-19 04:32:03 PM

corn-bread: For a truly blood boiling perspective, here is an interview with the CEO concerning this "deal":
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130513/BIZ/305130143/John-Barre tt -Q-How-Anna-Louise-deal-got-done


From the link: "Our zoning was totally infringed upon, and all those investments people make based on zoning were like, so what. So we said, 'That's not right.' And we were vindicated on that."

So, someone's fibbing. Either the Anna House was there for 100 years, doing the same thing it's been doing for 100 years, before Mr. Barrett moved in. Or the Anna house has not been doing the same thing in the same place for 100 years.

I'd like to understand how the apparent newcomer Mr. Barrett's zoning was infringed upon by a pre-existing establishment.

However, I do understand that this is not a new tactic. There is a monkey sanctuary in central Maryland. Prime real estate. Developers put up nice houses around it. And then the residents promptly began engaging the sanctuary legally in order to get it to move. So, this is a common tactic.
 
2013-05-19 04:32:10 PM

JungleBoogie: It's typically referred to as the FIRE sector - Finance, Insurance, Real Estate - because their business models are so closely intertwined.


The jokes just write themselves, don't they?
 
2013-05-19 04:32:35 PM

Repo Man: theorellior: BumpInTheNight: On one hand, on the other even Bankers haven't gotten the gaul to put a price tag on human life and worse try their damnedest to legally reneg on promises made to cover you in time of need. Both are callous industries worthy of the finest of french revolutions.

You need a Julius Caesar to truly get the Gaul.

Asterix and Obelix kept him from getting all of Gaul.


Yeah and that meth AKA magic potion.
 
2013-05-19 04:33:46 PM

rugman11: Blame the bank for being dicks, but it sounds like this place was only going to survive with the $13 million in tax credits they were trying to get.


Yep, the place wasn't economically viable. If a battered women's home can't turn a profit, the free market has decided it's not needed. End of story.
 
2013-05-19 04:34:13 PM

JungleBoogie: However, I do understand that this is not a new tactic. There is a monkey sanctuary in central Maryland. Prime real estate. Developers put up nice houses around it. And then the residents promptly began engaging the sanctuary legally in order to get it to move. So, this is a common tactic.


If I ever win powerball this is the kind of deep-pocket legal harassment I'm going to use to destroy my enemies.

The non-rich ones, that is...
 
2013-05-19 04:36:55 PM
"It's quiet, it's peaceful. Looking out here, you don't see your average thugs walking down the street. ... It's just nice to walk out and know that you're safe."

You think you deserve a safe place to get your life back together, lady? Geez, you couldn't even not get beaten by your husband!

Some people just have no idea.
 
2013-05-19 04:37:34 PM
You Fark domestic terrorists are morons. You have so much pent up rage (probably from lack of vag) that you froth at the mouth over a poorly written, obviously slanted article.

I hope some of you internet tough guys try to pull off what you're saying and wind up on the wrong end of a shotgun.
 
2013-05-19 04:38:07 PM

Wodan11: Is it just me or does anyone else think TFA didn't give all the pertinent info.  It just doesn't add up.  I can see how the shelter would say "F no" to the initial offer, but clearly the buyers were willing to negotiate.  I get the feeling the shelter might have said "F no, at any price!"

So the buyers resorted to other tactics. But still willing to negotiate... $4M seems to be about what it was worth, maybe a little more (TFA said $1.8M was "less than half its value").  So it seems that the buyers weren't being total dicks after all, they came up from $1.8M to $4.0M.  More than 200% increase... I wish I had such negotiating power when I sold my last house.  ;-)

So they're building a new facility, apparently, which will have the virtue of being brand new, not 100 yrs old, with better facilities, layout, wiring & plumbing, etc.  The only even slight drawback they seem to be able to come up with is that it's over a mile to the nearest city park.  How about making your own park, on the premises?  I'm just not getting why all the tears and moaning about.


Well, except for the fact that it's in a bad neighborhood, i.e. the sort of place where it's easier for the people the women are running from to  find them...

But hey, it's only a shelter, not like the entire point is to keep the women safe or anything.
 
2013-05-19 04:38:59 PM
Get the Bolton torturer dude...
 
2013-05-19 04:39:46 PM
I understand why the CEO wouldn't want reformed prostitutes near him.  It's hard to realize that some people have managed to recover when you're still a whore
 
2013-05-19 04:41:12 PM

Jack_Knopf: You Fark domestic terrorists are morons. You have so much pent up rage (probably from lack of vag) that you froth at the mouth over a poorly written, obviously slanted article.

I hope some of you internet tough guys try to pull off what you're saying and wind up on the wrong end of a shotgun.


Did you even read what you wrote before hitting "Add Comment?"
 
2013-05-19 04:44:15 PM

BarkingUnicorn: doglover: So you can force people to sell what isn't for sale? WTF?

Nobody was forced to sell.  The inn wanted an updated facility.  The corporation blocked renovation on a zoning violation.  The inn found another way to get an updated facility that involved selling the old one.  The inn could have just stayed the way it was.



You suck at research friendo.
There was no "block" of a zoning violation.  The trial court remanded back to the zoning board who once again (for the second time) issued a use permit and approved the expansion.

This lawsuit settled because the renovation grant money was set to expire at the end of the year and was in danger of not being available again.  Further the organization was being affected by the costs and constraints of pending litigation.  The lawsuit filed by the insurance company was heading down in flames.  But the point wasn't to win, it was to harass the non-profit into settling.

You're also myopic enough to believe that:
1) The W&S would have dropped the lawsuit if expansion plans had been scrapped; and
2) That W&S would have left them alone even if they had lost the lawsuit.
 
2013-05-19 04:44:44 PM

Vegetable Medley: Jack_Knopf: You Fark domestic terrorists are morons. You have so much pent up rage (probably from lack of vag) that you froth at the mouth over a poorly written, obviously slanted article.

I hope some of you internet tough guys try to pull off what you're saying and wind up on the wrong end of a shotgun.

Did you even read what you wrote before hitting "Add Comment?"


You know what makes excellent shotgun filling? Skittles.
 
2013-05-19 04:46:58 PM

Jack_Knopf: You Fark domestic terrorists are morons. You have so much pent up rage (probably from lack of vag) that you froth at the mouth over a poorly written, obviously slanted article.

I hope some of you internet tough guys try to pull off what you're saying and wind up on the wrong end of a shotgun.


Ahh, the masturbatory gun fantasies of the ironically stupid.
 
2013-05-19 04:50:01 PM
rense.com
 
2013-05-19 04:55:31 PM

corn-bread: BarkingUnicorn: doglover: So you can force people to sell what isn't for sale? WTF?

Nobody was forced to sell.  The inn wanted an updated facility.  The corporation blocked renovation on a zoning violation.  The inn found another way to get an updated facility that involved selling the old one.  The inn could have just stayed the way it was.


You suck at research friendo.
There was no "block" of a zoning violation.  The trial court remanded back to the zoning board who once again (for the second time) issued a use permit and approved the expansion.

This lawsuit settled because the renovation grant money was set to expire at the end of the year and was in danger of not being available again.  Further the organization was being affected by the costs and constraints of pending litigation.  The lawsuit filed by the insurance company was heading down in flames.  But the point wasn't to win, it was to harass the non-profit into settling.

You're also myopic enough to believe that:
1) The W&S would have dropped the lawsuit if expansion plans had been scrapped; and
2) That W&S would have left them alone even if they had lost the lawsuit.


Did the original zoning complaint block renovation?  Yes.  I'd rather have myopia than hallucinations.
 
2013-05-19 04:55:41 PM

JungleBoogie: corn-bread: For a truly blood boiling perspective, here is an interview with the CEO concerning this "deal":
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130513/BIZ/305130143/John-Barre tt -Q-How-Anna-Louise-deal-got-done

From the link: "Our zoning was totally infringed upon, and all those investments people make based on zoning were like, so what. So we said, 'That's not right.' And we were vindicated on that."

So, someone's fibbing. Either the Anna House was there for 100 years, doing the same thing it's been doing for 100 years, before Mr. Barrett moved in. Or the Anna house has not been doing the same thing in the same place for 100 years.

I'd like to understand how the apparent newcomer Mr. Barrett's zoning was infringed upon by a pre-existing establishment.

However, I do understand that this is not a new tactic. There is a monkey sanctuary in central Maryland. Prime real estate. Developers put up nice houses around it. And then the residents promptly began engaging the sanctuary legally in order to get it to move. So, this is a common tactic.



Here's the thing.  According to the history of the case, the zoning board *twice* issued use permits and approved plans for the property (the city was sued along with the non-profit).  So no, in the view of the city Barrett's zoning was not infringed (thus he is the liar I suppose).

Here's all you need to know about this case: W&S has several other substantial land holdings in the immediate area that they want to redevelop.  That's all.
 
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