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(Slate)   Today in specious reasoning: The IRS is full of liberals because only Liberals want to work for the government   (slate.com ) divider line 108
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2013-05-19 07:36:12 AM  
White House Chief of Staff: 1975 - 1977
Congressman from Wyoming: 1979 - 1989
Secretary of Defense: 1989 - 1993
Vice President of the United States of America: 2001 - 2009
Total years spend working for the government: 16

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Hello.  My name is Dick Cheney, and according to Slate, I am a liberal.
 
2013-05-19 07:37:51 AM  
Most of the cops, persecutors and firefighters I come across (work related) lean right for the most part.
 
2013-05-19 07:57:20 AM  

Nabb1: Most of the cops, persecutors and firefighters I come across (work related) lean right for the most part.


Well, that's one way to describe them.
 
2013-05-19 08:00:51 AM  

AlanSmithee: Nabb1: Most of the cops, persecutors and firefighters I come across (work related) lean right for the most part.

Well, that's one way to describe them.


Whoops! Heh, guess I better go brew a pot of coffee.
 
2013-05-19 08:17:32 AM  
I like the IRS. I like a stable working government. The two things are not unconnected. Also, they've always been very nice to me when I had a question or needed help with something.

Of course I'm not a fake "charity" trying to skirt tax law.
 
2013-05-19 08:30:03 AM  

Nabb1: Most of the cops, persecutors and firefighters I come across (work related) lean right for the most part.


Not to mention the military. Or don't they work for the government.
 
2013-05-19 08:37:12 AM  
Oh geez. If only...
 
2013-05-19 09:27:38 AM  
I'm not even sure what "liberal" means in America anymore. I have a feeling it's pretty different than what the term means to most of the rest of the world, Canada included.
 
2013-05-19 09:31:01 AM  
I would love to work for the government. Great benefits, decent retirement and regular raises? Sign me up.
 
2013-05-19 09:38:16 AM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: I would love to work for the government. Great benefits, decent retirement and regular raises? Sign me up.


About the regular raises, you might be a disappointed.
 
2013-05-19 09:42:09 AM  

miss diminutive: I'm not even sure what "liberal" means in America anymore. I have a feeling it's pretty different than what the term means to most of the rest of the world, Canada included.


In the US "liberal" means anyone who, if you are right leaning, does not march in lockstep with your worldview. Similarly, "conservative" is used by left-leaning folks for anyone who does not march in lockstep with their worldview. The convenience of this, of course, is when debating political issues, rather than focus on the relative merits and weaknesses in your position, you can throw the label of your choice on your opponent, and then just start making vague generalized attacks on what you perceive that ideology to be to either (a) point out what you believe to be conflicting positions people of what you conceive that ideology to be have had whether relevant or not, or (b) people of your opponent's ideology hate America and humanity.  I hope this helps.
 
2013-05-19 10:10:37 AM  

EvilEgg: SockMonkeyHolocaust: I would love to work for the government. Great benefits, decent retirement and regular raises? Sign me up.

About the regular raises, you might be a disappointed.


No kidding.  It's been, oh, 3 years since "regular" raises were regular, and 1 or 2 (I can't remember) since they adjusted for cost of living/inflation, whatever, so my adjusted income has actually gone down, not up

Not whining too much - I still make a decent wage.
 
2013-05-19 10:13:30 AM  

Karac: Total years spend working for the government: 16


That's a very loose interpretation of "working FOR the government".
 
2013-05-19 10:20:27 AM  
Don't tell the Corps.
 
2013-05-19 10:21:00 AM  

EvilEgg: Nabb1: Most of the cops, persecutors and firefighters I come across (work related) lean right for the most part.

Not to mention the military. Or don't they work for the government.


I can tell you that most of them don't really work.
 
2013-05-19 10:24:50 AM  
I'm old enough that I remember when Slate tried its hand at fact-based reporting.
 
2013-05-19 10:24:57 AM  
Nabb1:
In the US "liberal" means anyone who, if you are right leaning, does not march in lockstep with your worldview. Similarly, "conservative" is used by left-leaning folks for anyone who does not march in lockstep with their worldview. The convenience of this, of course, is when debating political issues, rather than focus on the relative merits and weaknesses in your position, you can throw the label of your choice on your opponent, and then just start making vague generalized attacks on what you perceive that ideology to be to either (a) point out what you believe to be conflicting positions people of what you conceive that ideology to be have had whether relevant or not, or (b) people of your opponent's ideology hate America and humanity.  I hope this helps.

So if both sides are the same, who should I vote for?

Currently "Conservative" means a coalition of messianic "end of times" christianity, wannabe aristocrats and plutocrats, and dogmatic "intellectuals" such as libertarians and neocons who are currently quite frustrated that people are not behaving as they predicted they should.

"Liberal" means anyone in the "Reality based" community calling bullshiat on the groups above.

There are a few ideologues in the left these days, but they've been largely marginalized and are starting to join the dogmatists in attacking the Democrats. Becuase both sides are the same, or some horseshiat.
 
2013-05-19 10:25:54 AM  
subby:  "work for the government"

funny!
I see what you did there.
sort of like "jumbo shrimp" or "military intelligence"
 
2013-05-19 10:26:39 AM  
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2013-05-19 10:28:34 AM  

EvilEgg: Nabb1: Most of the cops, persecutors and firefighters I come across (work related) lean right for the most part.

Not to mention the military. Or don't they work for the government.


No, they work for Freedom and Jesus.  Get it right.
 
2013-05-19 10:28:56 AM  
Looking for a job with stability and a good benefits/retirement package? Clearly you're a commie. Republicans only take jobs that pay by the virtuous task - like bounty hunting or fighting forest fires or appearing as a pundit on Fox News.
 
2013-05-19 10:30:15 AM  
I spent a lot of time in the military and have spent about that much as a federal employee. The clear majority of my  coworkers have been and are are conservative.

So I enjoy these Derpy insults as much as conservative Hispanics like hearing the GOP tell them they just want free stuff.
 
2013-05-19 10:31:07 AM  
The majority of white government employees in DOD, DHS, and federal law enforcement are somewhere to the right of Ghenghis Khan on the political spectrum.
 
2013-05-19 10:38:01 AM  

edmo: I spent a lot of time in the military and have spent about that much as a federal employee. The clear majority of my  coworkers have been and are are conservative.

So I enjoy these Derpy insults as much as conservative Hispanics like hearing the GOP tell them they just want free stuff.


Were you not a federal employee while in the military?
 
2013-05-19 10:39:22 AM  
A little less than 10 years ago, I was applying for a security clearance for summer work in cryptography or some such. I was interviewed by someone who also talked to my roommate and some of my friends to determine if I was a security risk. This guy was very surprised that I, a liberal at a liberal college (read: not crazy liberal, but having a majority of 20-year-olds whose political views match that of the majority of 20-year-olds), would ever want to do something that might help The Man. "When I was your age, the kids at [your college] burned down the ROTC building. Now you want to work for us?"

My view towards that interview quickly became "OK, you're a douchebag but I can't say that to your face."
 
2013-05-19 10:39:29 AM  

EvilEgg: Nabb1: Most of the cops, persecutors and firefighters I come across (work related) lean right for the most part.

Not to mention the military. Or don't they work for the government.


Of course. Only the bureaucrats are actually government employees. We all know there is no bureaucracy in the military, right?
 
2013-05-19 10:44:02 AM  

miss diminutive: I'm not even sure what "liberal" means in America anymore. I have a feeling it's pretty different than what the term means to most of the rest of the world, Canada included.


For reasons I'm not entirely sure of, by most metrics American political discourse is shifted well to the right of where most of the western world is at.  The result is that the Democrats would probably be considered a conservative party in most western countries, and the Republicans would be considered a fringe party.

However in the last few election cycles the Republican party has shifted towards the right, while the Democrat Party has, at least on social matters, shifted further to the left. This means while the Democrats are starting to feel at least a little more like an actual Liberal party, it means the Republicans are looking even more like a fringe party.  There was a reason why, in the last Presidential election, the rest of the world almost unanimously preferred Obama over Romney.

Hopefully this period of political division will pass without major incident, but it's starting to look uncomfortably like the buildup to the last civil war.  To state it mildly a civil war is something I consider a "not ideal" solution to our current problem.
 
2013-05-19 10:44:25 AM  
If you have a federal job why would you be republican?  You'd constantly be voting to cut your own job.  Constantly voting against your own interest.
 
2013-05-19 10:47:55 AM  
Non-evil Monkey:
For reasons I'm not entirely sure of, by most metrics American political discourse is shifted well to the right of where most of the western world is at.

So the idea is basically that by shoving the overton window as far to the right as they can, the right wing noise machine's fakey scandals can be seen as moderate, performing the dual role of forcing journalists not directly employed by the noise machine to devote time to them, and causing people who view things like the IRS not granting fraudulent tax exempt status to teatards fast enough as a non-scandal as left wing extremists.
 
2013-05-19 10:49:03 AM  

chuggernaught: If you have a federal job why would you be republican?  You'd constantly be voting to cut your own job.  Constantly voting against your own interest.


Because propaganda works.
 
2013-05-19 10:51:05 AM  
Michele Bachman was an IRS employee prior to her Congressional career.
 
2013-05-19 10:52:17 AM  

Nabb1: Most of the cops, persecutors and firefighters I come across (work related) lean right for the most part.


Don't forget about military.  Of course, for some strange reason they've been trending left since about January 2003.  Might have something to do with not liking being sent to die in the name of lies and corporate profits.
 
2013-05-19 10:52:43 AM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: I would love to work for the government. Great benefits, decent retirement and regular raises? Sign me up.


Only people working before 1994 get pensions. They changed retirement systems, so everyone else gets a 401k and social security. So the retirement benefits aren't that much different from a private-sector job.

Best federal benefits left:

-- choice of a big range of health insurance plans. So many there was a book to sort through them all
-- Subsidized metro fare
 
2013-05-19 10:55:46 AM  
Don't Troll Me Bro!:
Don't forget about military.  Of course, for some strange reason they've been trending left since about January 2003.  Might have something to do with not liking being sent to die in the name of lies and corporate profits.

And for those who became aware but can't handle the fact that the Republicans view them as a disposable resource to be leveraged in the name of profits, there's always RON PAUL!
 
2013-05-19 10:55:54 AM  

chuggernaught: If you have a federal job why would you be republican?  You'd constantly be voting to cut your own job.  Constantly voting against your own interest.


Their "own interests" are what is best for the country, not what is best for them.
That is the difference that liberals just don't understand.
As you just demonstrated.
 
2013-05-19 10:59:48 AM  
I've worked in government and with an assortment of state and federal agencies.  You see the whole spectrum.  Political appointees obviously lean in the direction of whomever appointed them.  The rank and file is a mix, and it really depends on the agency purpose and function if there is a skew in either direction.  Health and social service workers tend to lean to the left; not so much in law enforcement.
 
2013-05-19 11:00:23 AM  

toomuchwhargarbl: The majority of white government employees in DOD, DHS, and federal law enforcement are somewhere to the right of Ghenghis Khan on the political spectrum.


I work in the DoD and frankly, I don't know many of my co-workers being classified as right-leaning. In fact, most of the tirades I hear about politics is about the Republicans farking with our work.
 
2013-05-19 11:01:24 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Their "own interests" are what is best for the country, not what is best for them.


Funny'd
 
2013-05-19 11:04:30 AM  
I'm 100% sure we'll see legislation from a GOP House Member calling for the privatization and/or outsourcing of the IRS.
 
2013-05-19 11:05:34 AM  

somedude210: I work in the DoD and frankly, I don't know many of my co-workers being classified as right-leaning. In fact, most of the tirades I hear about politics is about the Republicans farking with our work.


YMMV I suppose, I worked in DHS for a few years, and DOD as an enlisted man and later a contractor. Most of the political speech I heard was of the standard issue Tea Party variety. Maybe that's changed recently since they're actually as you pointed out, they are now actually feeling pain as a result of the Republicans' desire to cut government programs.
 
2013-05-19 11:06:33 AM  

El Dudereno: EvilEgg: Nabb1: Most of the cops, persecutors and firefighters I come across (work related) lean right for the most part.

Not to mention the military. Or don't they work for the government.

Of course. Only the bureaucrats are actually government employees. We all know there is no bureaucracy in the military, right?


And, of course, every single bureaucrat in government is liberal.
 
2013-05-19 11:08:40 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Their "own interests" are what is best for the country, not what is best for them.
That is the difference that liberals just don't understand.
As you just demonstrated.


actually, "their own interests" is what benefits them. Cutting our pay, inflicting furloughs and putting a hiring freeze on while demanding the same or more work from us is not helpful and is not "in the country's best interests"

You want to improve the situation of the country, get rid of Congress deciding what projects, specifically people like the DoD should get. Let the DoD decide what they need and ask for a funding. We don't need all these tanks and ships and aircraft that make up 20% of our national deficit all because every farking screw is made in a different plant in every farking state.

You want to improve the country? Reform Congress. Term limits, campaign finance reform and non-political appointments to committees (you get placed on what you're actually qualified for). Do that, and our country will be a lot better off than we are now
 
2013-05-19 11:09:59 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I'm 100% sure we'll see legislation from a GOP House Member calling for the privatization and/or outsourcing of the IRS.


well...I doubt that since I imagine outsourcing government departments to private entities will be seen as unconstitutional
 
2013-05-19 11:10:41 AM  

EvilEgg: Nabb1: Most of the cops, persecutors and firefighters I come across (work related) lean right for the most part.

Not to mention the military. Or don't they work for the government.


There are only liberals in the military because they still don't let you in if you have face tattoos.
 
2013-05-19 11:12:39 AM  

EvilEgg: SockMonkeyHolocaust: I would love to work for the government. Great benefits, decent retirement and regular raises? Sign me up.

About the regular raises, you might be a disappointed.


I guess the private sector has regular raises, if you accept "never" as a period.
 
2013-05-19 11:15:28 AM  

miss diminutive: I'm not even sure what "liberal" means in America anymore. I have a feeling it's pretty different than what the term means to most of the rest of the world, Canada included.


Liberal. (n.) One who has a political belief contrary to my own.  (adj.) To hold a political belief I disagree with.
 
2013-05-19 11:17:51 AM  

miss diminutive: I'm not even sure what "liberal" means in America anymore. I have a feeling it's pretty different than what the term means to most of the rest of the world, Canada included.


It appears to mean "believes in reality," as far as I can tell.
 
2013-05-19 11:19:43 AM  
One might be able to make a reasonable argument that liberals in the government are working there to benefit people in general. Conservatives working in the government are there to prove that the government doesn't work.
 
2013-05-19 11:22:47 AM  
My office is full of Republicans.

A handful of libertarians, too. Working for the government is actually pretty good at convincing people that the government is way too big.
 
2013-05-19 11:24:04 AM  

Nabb1: Similarly, "conservative" is used by left-leaning folks for anyone who does not march in lockstep with their worldview.


BOTH SIDES R BAD!
 
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