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(NewsBusters)   Only MSNBC could somehow find a way to connect the Obama administration targeting a political group that didn't exist until 2009 on Bush   (newsbusters.org) divider line 70
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2013-05-19 07:38:44 AM  
Literally everything the MSNBC people said was correct and appropriate given it was a direct response to a GOP accusation.
 
2013-05-19 07:49:44 AM  
I for one, am relieved, because if it is some thing that is going on under both Bush and Obama, there's no way anything wrong was done.
 
2013-05-19 08:41:53 AM  
Not clicking.  Is it a Funky Winkerbean article again?
 
2013-05-19 09:06:37 AM  
It didn't take long for this story to move into its "Panem et circenses" phase.
 
2013-05-19 09:29:04 AM  
no comment

/even tho I commented by not commenting
 
2013-05-19 09:34:54 AM  
As far as I'm concerned, the scandal is that all these political organizations got 501(c)(4)s in the end.

And was the IRS head a hold-over from the Bush administration? Um, yeah, he was.
 
2013-05-19 09:35:06 AM  
Not going to click, but in reference to subby's headline:

I'm pretty sure groups calling themselves the "Tea Party" (or some variation thereof) existed long before 2009 - the only thing that changed after Obama took office is that the term came to be associated exclusively with a faction of the GOP.
 
2013-05-19 09:36:24 AM  
"connect...on"?
 
2013-05-19 09:40:59 AM  
Only Subby could somehow find a way to make the headline about finding a way to connect the Obama administration targeting a political group that didn't exist until 2009 on Bush completely incomprehensible
 
2013-05-19 09:42:08 AM  

aaronx: As far as I'm concerned, the scandal is that all these political organizations got 501(c)(4)s in the end.

And was the IRS head a hold-over from the Bush administration? Um, yeah, he was.


and was the person who actually ran the division that did the targeting appointed by Bush?  Um, no, she wasn't.

was she promoted to run the 0bamacare tax group?  Um, yes, she was.

Fine that Miller is gone, but she should be gone too - it was her farking department that did it.
 
2013-05-19 09:42:27 AM  

DamnYankees: Literally everything the MSNBC people said was correct and appropriate given it was a direct response to a GOP accusation.


That's pretty much NewsBusters' shtick - link to something that is completely true, and present it as though it's supposed to be outrageous somehow, while begging for money from people who approve of their "Stick it to the Liberal Lamestream LLSM Media" stylings.
 
2013-05-19 09:42:34 AM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: "connect...on"?


Don't expect too much from someone writing a NewsBusters headline.
 
2013-05-19 09:46:54 AM  
3.bp.blogspot.com

Actually the Tea Party did exist in 2007 as a Ron Paul/Fair Tax group.  As a FreedomWorks astroturf organization campaigning for Republicans it began in 2009.  Maybe that's what subby is referring to.
 
2013-05-19 09:49:07 AM  
Ideally, the IRS would go back to the exact wording of the tax laws as passed by Congress in 1954 - 501(c)4 tax exempt status would only be awarded to groups that are formed solely to promote social welfare and to civic groups.  It's when the word "solely" was changed to "primarily", in 1959 that we started getting the creep of political organizations applying for 501(c)4 tax exempt status.  It became much worse in the aftermath of the Supreme Court's "Citizens United" decision.

In short, no political organizations would be tax exempt entities if the IRS applied the law as written, not as they have interpreted.
 
2013-05-19 09:49:50 AM  
"This is Obama's fault because the President appoints the head of the IRS".

"But this guy was appointed in the previous administration by Bush."

"WHAARGARBL!"
 
2013-05-19 09:50:19 AM  
"Fail" is the appropriate tag for anything coming from NewsBusters, but not for the reason Subby hopes.
 
2013-05-19 09:50:57 AM  
but...but....but....but...BUSH!!!

it is the best they got.

Blame Bush for anything bad, take credit for anything good.
 
2013-05-19 09:52:22 AM  
I agree it's a scandal and Obama should do something. I fail to see how this is a Presidential Scandal though unless he doesn't do anything
 
2013-05-19 09:52:36 AM  
Only MSNBC could somehow find a way to connect the Obama administration targeting a political group that didn't exist until 2009 on Bush

No one is going to comment on this bit of unproven derp?
 
2013-05-19 09:57:46 AM  

Mrtraveler01: Only MSNBC could somehow find a way to connect the Obama administration targeting a political group that didn't exist until 2009 on Bush

No one is going to comment on this bit of unproven derp?


Why bother at this point.  The links keep coming, in the interest of "fairness", I guess.  This is the best the right can do, now.
 
2013-05-19 10:02:09 AM  

Wyalt Derp: "This is Obama's fault because the President appoints the head of the IRS".

"But this guy was appointed in the previous administration by Bush."

"WHAARGARBL!"


Actually, I think it's more like...


GOP: This is an outrage! This is how the Obama administration operates!

MSNBC: This has nothing to do with the President.

GOP: Yes it does! The head of the IRS is APPOINTED by the President!

MSNBC: But this guy was appointed in the previous administration by Bush.

GOP:  OMG! stop trying to blame everything on Bush!
 
2013-05-19 10:02:41 AM  
Since this is what our government is going to focus on through 2016, is it safe to assume we're no longer concerned with jobs!jobs!jobs!?
 
2013-05-19 10:03:18 AM  
Yes, MSNBC got it wrong.  They should have tied it to Dick Armey instead of Dick Head (Bush).
 
2013-05-19 10:07:10 AM  

Biological Ali: DamnYankees: Literally everything the MSNBC people said was correct and appropriate given it was a direct response to a GOP accusation.

That's pretty much NewsBusters' Republicans' shtick - link to something that is completely true, and present it as though it's supposed to be outrageous somehow


That's a little more accurate.
 
2013-05-19 10:07:57 AM  

aaronx: As far as I'm concerned, the scandal is that all these political organizations got 501(c)(4)s in the end.

And was the IRS head a hold-over from the Bush administration? Um, yeah, he was.


But they got the guy who was appointed afterwards to try and clean up his messes fired, so there's that.
 
2013-05-19 10:08:36 AM  

Mrtraveler01: Only MSNBC could somehow find a way to connect the Obama administration targeting a political group that didn't exist until 2009 on Bush

No one is going to comment on this bit of unproven derp?


Something happened + Obama is in the White House = THIS IS ALL OBAMA'S FAULT
 
2013-05-19 10:09:00 AM  
OK, let me see if I have this straight.

* The Tea Party is against excessive spending.
* The Tea Party didn't exist before 2009.
* But george w. bush spent like a drunken sailor to blow schitt up in Iraq.

What am I missing here?
 
2013-05-19 10:10:07 AM  

Lando Lincoln: Mrtraveler01: Only MSNBC could somehow find a way to connect the Obama administration targeting a political group that didn't exist until 2009 on Bush

No one is going to comment on this bit of unproven derp?

Something happened + Obama is in the White House = THIS IS ALL OBAMA'S FAULT


The guy in the Burger King drive-thru gave me an iced tea instead of the Coke that I ordered while Obama is in the White House.

DAMN YOU FARTBONGO!!!
 
2013-05-19 10:10:32 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: but...but....but....but...BUSH!!!

it is the best they got.

Blame Bush for anything bad, take credit for anything good.


This is NOT the fault of President Bush. He appointed the head of the IRS, but the IRS, by law, must operate independently of the executive branch.   How anyone could blame President Bush for this is beyond me.   There has got to be some dense people out there to think the executive branch would have anything to do with this.  If it in any way interferes, puts pressure on, or influences the IRS, the law is being broken.

Thank you so much tenpoundsofcheese for setting people straight about this not being the fault of anyone in the executive branch.
 
2013-05-19 10:12:07 AM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: OK, let me see if I have this straight.

* The Tea Party is against excessive spending.
* The Tea Party didn't exist before 2009.
* But george w. bush spent like a drunken sailor to blow schitt up in Iraq.

What am I missing here?


The Tea Party did exist before 2009. It just consisted of Ron Paul supports and wasn't the CrossroadsGPS funded GOP pep rally it is today.

Also the Tea Party is against excessive spending...unless it's for the Department of Defense, then it's ok.
 
2013-05-19 10:12:56 AM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: OK, let me see if I have this straight.

* The Tea Party is against excessive spending.
* The Tea Party didn't exist before 2009.
* But george w. bush spent like a drunken sailor to blow schitt up in Iraq.

What am I missing here?


They became prominent when the Stimulus packages from Bush were put together. They gained momentum with TARP.

So basically, they are opposed to paying off the bills that Bush created or the Republicans created.
 
2013-05-19 10:13:08 AM  

whitman00: tenpoundsofcheese: but...but....but....but...BUSH!!!

it is the best they got.

Blame Bush for anything bad, take credit for anything good.

This is NOT the fault of President Bush. He appointed the head of the IRS, but the IRS, by law, must operate independently of the executive branch.   How anyone could blame President Bush for this is beyond me.   There has got to be some dense people out there to think the executive branch would have anything to do with this.  If it in any way interferes, puts pressure on, or influences the IRS, the law is being broken.

Thank you so much tenpoundsofcheese for setting people straight about this not being the fault of anyone in the executive branch.


I see what you did there.
 
2013-05-19 10:15:41 AM  
If you could have at least gotten through the headline without falsely accusing the Obama administration of something, I might take you the least bit seriously.
 
2013-05-19 10:26:30 AM  

Wyalt Derp: "This is Obama's fault because the President appoints the head of the IRS".

"But this guy was appointed in the previous administration by Bush."

"WHAARGARBL!"



As was Robert Gates, so does Bush get credit for getting Osama, I mean by Dem logic, Appointed by Bush means no connection to Obama. Am I right?
 
2013-05-19 10:27:17 AM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: OK, let me see if I have this straight.

* The Tea Party is against excessive spending.
* The Tea Party didn't exist before 2009.
* But george w. bush spent like a drunken sailor to blow schitt up in Iraq.

What am I missing here?


January 20, 2009, a very dark day in the annals of American history.
 
2013-05-19 10:27:48 AM  
Dammit I got so confused by the headline that I read the whole article hoping it would become clear. I should just have skipped to the last paragraph.

Sadly, the liberal news networks can't have it both ways. If George W. Bush is to blame for appointing an inadequate person to lead the IRS nearly a decade ago, then Bush should also since the Republican president laid the groundwork which Mr. Obama inherited and kept largely intact.
 
2013-05-19 10:28:12 AM  

kyrg: so does Bush get credit for getting Osama


Bush gets credit for letting Osama go free.
 
2013-05-19 10:33:58 AM  

pueblonative: Lee Jackson Beauregard: OK, let me see if I have this straight.

* The Tea Party is against excessive spending.
* The Tea Party didn't exist before 2009.
* But george w. bush spent like a drunken sailor to blow schitt up in Iraq.

What am I missing here?

January 20, 2009, a very dark day in the annals of American history.


It was the day the Libertarian Party lost its last shred of dignity.
 
2013-05-19 10:36:50 AM  

DamnYankees: Literally everything the MSNBC people said was correct and appropriate given it was a direct response to a GOP accusation.


Trolly headline. Yup they blamed them Yup, they did it.
 
2013-05-19 10:38:32 AM  

Fart_Machine: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 631x480]

Actually the Tea Party did exist in 2007 as a Ron Paul/Fair Tax group.  As a FreedomWorks astroturf organization campaigning for Republicans it began in 2009.  Maybe that's what subby is referring to.


Those people are Libertarians. Well, at least 3 of them are(I know them). Dude in the outfit is the head of the Constitution Party in Indiana. But yeah, they like(d) Ron Paul a lot.
 
2013-05-19 10:42:12 AM  

kyrg: Wyalt Derp: "This is Obama's fault because the President appoints the head of the IRS".

"But this guy was appointed in the previous administration by Bush."

"WHAARGARBL!"


As was Robert Gates, so does Bush get credit for getting Osama, I mean by Dem logic, Appointed by Bush means no connection to Obama. Am I right?


Bush gets credit for saying he would stop at nothing to get him. Then forgetting about him and saying he wasn't concerned about him. Bush gets nothing but the stink of failure he earned
 
2013-05-19 10:43:11 AM  
I don't think either President is directly responsible for what occurred. It looks to be an institutional issue that needs to be resolved because public confidence in the IRS is paramount.
 
2013-05-19 10:45:08 AM  

Nabb1: I don't think either President is directly responsible for what occurred. It looks to be an institutional issue that needs to be resolved because public confidence in the IRS is paramount.


Yeah but that doesn't sell boner pills on TV hence the urge to try to connect this scandal to Obama.
 
2013-05-19 10:47:33 AM  

Nabb1: I don't think either President is directly responsible for what occurred. It looks to be an institutional issue that needs to be resolved because public confidence in the IRS is paramount.


This is my thought
 
2013-05-19 10:48:30 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: kyrg: so does Bush get credit for getting Osama

Bush gets credit for letting Osama go free.


To be fair, Bush did look for those weapons under the dangerous couch cushions.
 
2013-05-19 10:57:50 AM  
MSNBC: Mere Socialists Now Becoming Commies

It's just Fox News for the left
 
2013-05-19 11:05:53 AM  

kyrg: Wyalt Derp: "This is Obama's fault because the President appoints the head of the IRS".

"But this guy was appointed in the previous administration by Bush."

"WHAARGARBL!"


As was Robert Gates, so does Bush get credit for getting Osama, I mean by Dem logic, Appointed by Bush means no connection to Obama. Am I right?


Actually, since the President has no direct control over the IRS head other than appointing him/her, neither Bush nor Obama really can be blamed for this directly.

The guy who should take the blame no longer works at the IRS unfortunately, but the Republicans must try to blame someone still in the government. That's why the "scandal" fails.

Meanwhile the President *is* the Commander in Chief of the military, Constitutionally even. Hence Bush, not Rumsfeld, gets the blame for starting the wars, Obama gets the credit fir getting Osama, and he gets the blame for continuing the wars longer than he needed to.
 
2013-05-19 11:09:09 AM  
What exactly did they say that was wrong?

And this:

While Bashir asserted that the outrage at the political targeting by the IRS is warranted, he noted that the IRS wasn't wrong for targeting political organizations,they were wrong for not targeting more political organizations.

...is 1000% correct
 
2013-05-19 11:20:35 AM  
Awww, does Newsbusters have sand in its vagina again?
 
2013-05-19 11:22:54 AM  
...and how is pointing out the IRS commissioner under which this all happened was a Bush appointee, blaming Bush? The Democratic line on this thus far has been a handful of staffers in a regional office, with the chain of responsibility not even going to the commissioner's office.  It doesn't matter who the IRS commissioner was, because the "buck" never went that high in the first place. It's the Republicans trying to claim this goes "all the way to the top", and for whom the identity and ideology of the IRS commissioner ought to matter.

But then again, this is Republican Scandal Fantasyland we're talking about.
 
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